Holy sexism, batman!
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Don't kid yourself dear, men are only interested in booze.:drinker:0
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It has nothing to do with sexism, but the feminist perspective on what a mangina is not only retarded, but humorous.
Not that anything you say has any merit to begin with, but when you casually sprinkle in the word "retarded," absolutely NO ONE is going to listen to a word you are saying.
I know you feel entitled to have everything in life sugar coated for you, princess, but I am afraid that isn't going to happen.
Boy you really are an idiot, aren't you? A special educator calling you out for using the word "retarded" does not equal "wants everything to be sugar coated." You wouldn't be stupid enough to shout "******" from the rooftops, so why are you stupid enough to nonchalantly use "retarded."
ETA: That was supposed to be the n-word. I got MFP censored.
I don't mean "retarded" in that sense, don't be politically correct with me, I don't care.
No. You meant it to be stupid/slow/ridiculous/ insert-negative-attribute-here. Which is perpetuating that individuals with disabilities must be stupid/slow/ridiculous or a whole host of other negative things. If you're going to be an asshat, embrace it, don't blame it on "well I didn't mean it like that."
It has nothing to do with individuals with learning disabilities, just retarded posts on this forum.0 -
It has nothing to do with sexism, but the feminist perspective on what a mangina is not only retarded, but humorous.
Not that anything you say has any merit to begin with, but when you casually sprinkle in the word "retarded," absolutely NO ONE is going to listen to a word you are saying.
I know you feel entitled to have everything in life sugar coated for you, princess, but I am afraid that isn't going to happen.
Boy you really are an idiot, aren't you? A special educator calling you out for using the word "retarded" does not equal "wants everything to be sugar coated." You wouldn't be stupid enough to shout "******" from the rooftops, so why are you stupid enough to nonchalantly use "retarded."
ETA: That was supposed to be the n-word. I got MFP censored.
I don't mean "retarded" in that sense, don't be politically correct with me, I don't care.
No. You meant it to be stupid/slow/ridiculous/ insert-negative-attribute-here. Which is perpetuating that individuals with disabilities must be stupid/slow/ridiculous or a whole host of other negative things. If you're going to be an asshat, embrace it, don't blame it on "well I didn't mean it like that."
It has nothing to do with individuals with learning disabilities, just retarded posts on this forum.
Read: It has nothing to do with black people, just the ni88ers on this forum.0 -
It has nothing to do with sexism, but the feminist perspective on what a mangina is not only retarded, but humorous.
Not that anything you say has any merit to begin with, but when you casually sprinkle in the word "retarded," absolutely NO ONE is going to listen to a word you are saying.
I know you feel entitled to have everything in life sugar coated for you, princess, but I am afraid that isn't going to happen.
Boy you really are an idiot, aren't you? A special educator calling you out for using the word "retarded" does not equal "wants everything to be sugar coated." You wouldn't be stupid enough to shout "******" from the rooftops, so why are you stupid enough to nonchalantly use "retarded."
ETA: That was supposed to be the n-word. I got MFP censored.
I don't mean "retarded" in that sense, don't be politically correct with me, I don't care.
No. You meant it to be stupid/slow/ridiculous/ insert-negative-attribute-here. Which is perpetuating that individuals with disabilities must be stupid/slow/ridiculous or a whole host of other negative things. If you're going to be an asshat, embrace it, don't blame it on "well I didn't mean it like that."
It has nothing to do with individuals with learning disabilities, just retarded posts on this forum.
Read: It has nothing to do with black people, just the ni88ers on this forum.
It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.0 -
It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.
You're right. There is absolutely no legitimate comparison in two derogatory terms and the groups of people from which they stem. My apologies.0 -
It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.
You're right. There is absolutely no legitimate comparison in two derogatory terms and the groups of people from which they stem. My apologies.
That movie is soooo gay. I guess that would also offend you. Well, as i said before, i don't care about political correctness or logically invalid terrible analogies on racism.0 -
It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.
You're right. There is absolutely no legitimate comparison in two derogatory terms and the groups of people from which they stem. My apologies.
That movie is soooo gay. I guess that would also offend you. Well, as i said before, i don't care about political correctness or logically invalid terrible analogies on racism.
so what do you care about- other than making a boob of yourself (see what I did there?)0 -
It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.
You're right. There is absolutely no legitimate comparison in two derogatory terms and the groups of people from which they stem. My apologies.
That movie is soooo gay. I guess that would also offend you. Well, as i said before, i don't care about political correctness or logically invalid terrible analogies on racism.
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It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.
You're right. There is absolutely no legitimate comparison in two derogatory terms and the groups of people from which they stem. My apologies.
That movie is soooo gay. I guess that would also offend you. Well, as i said before, i don't care about political correctness or logically invalid terrible analogies on racism.
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It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.
You're right. There is absolutely no legitimate comparison in two derogatory terms and the groups of people from which they stem. My apologies.
my website: returnofkings.com
That movie is soooo gay. I guess that would also offend you. Well, as i said before, i don't care about political correctness or logically invalid terrible analogies on racism.
so what do you care about- other than making a boob of yourself (see what I did there?)
My website returnofkings
Somebody has to say what others are too afraid to say, I can't let the world slip into cowardice.0 -
It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.
You're right. There is absolutely no legitimate comparison in two derogatory terms and the groups of people from which they stem. My apologies.
my website: returnofkings.com
That movie is soooo gay. I guess that would also offend you. Well, as i said before, i don't care about political correctness or logically invalid terrible analogies on racism.
so what do you care about- other than making a boob of yourself (see what I did there?)
My website returnofkings
Somebody has to say what others are too afraid to say, I can't let the world slip into cowardice.
treating people with respect is not letting the world slip into cowardice.
saying *kitten* things doesn't make you a hero- it just makes you a douche bag.0 -
Agree. Now let's get straight on defining the problem. The problem is that you are insufficiently prepared to handle a potential threat. Not "sexism." This problem can be remedied with many options - two of my favorites being:If you can't feel safe walking around your own home, there's a problem.
1. Legal, responsible, trained and practiced gun ownership
2. Street combat training
Being a shrinking, nervous, vulnerable, unprepared female makes one an attractive target for all kinds of mischief - not because she's attractive or because (good Lord) she has a uterus, but because she's easy pickings. OP, those guys who were sizing you up "covetously" were just as likely to be checking you for jewelry or other goods worth snatching. The catcaller could just as easily have been a pre-screener signaling his buddies to the approach of an easy mark. And the mark could easily be male or female.
You want to walk without fear? Prepare yourself mentally and physically to handle threats, don't put yourself unnecessarily into threatening situations, and don't blame your vulnerability on your (or their) gender. Controlling others' behavior is not a realistic option. Controlling one's own is a necessity.
"Don't put yourself unnecessarily into threatening situations"
Lol, as if everyone who has ever been assaulted purposely *put* themselves in that situation. That is patently absurd.
Brb, i'm getting milk. But because I don't want to "put myself in a dangerous situation", I better prepare myself with a gun, a bullet proof vest, some mace, and karate moves because simply walking down the street I could meet a mugger / rapist, and if don't prepare myself fully, i'm just asking for it.0 -
Agree. Now let's get straight on defining the problem. The problem is that you are insufficiently prepared to handle a potential threat. Not "sexism." This problem can be remedied with many options - two of my favorites being:If you can't feel safe walking around your own home, there's a problem.
1. Legal, responsible, trained and practiced gun ownership
2. Street combat training
Being a shrinking, nervous, vulnerable, unprepared female makes one an attractive target for all kinds of mischief - not because she's attractive or because (good Lord) she has a uterus, but because she's easy pickings. OP, those guys who were sizing you up "covetously" were just as likely to be checking you for jewelry or other goods worth snatching. The catcaller could just as easily have been a pre-screener signaling his buddies to the approach of an easy mark. And the mark could easily be male or female.
You want to walk without fear? Prepare yourself mentally and physically to handle threats, don't put yourself unnecessarily into threatening situations, and don't blame your vulnerability on your (or their) gender. Controlling others' behavior is not a realistic option. Controlling one's own is a necessity.
"Don't put yourself unnecessarily into threatening situations"
Lol, as if everyone who has ever been assaulted purposely *put* themselves in that situation. That is patently absurd.
Brb, i'm getting milk. But because I don't want to "put myself in a dangerous situation", I better prepare myself with a gun, a bullet proof vest, some mace, and karate moves because simply walking down the street I could meet a mugger / rapist, and if don't prepare myself fully, i'm just asking for it.
no one ever said everyone whos been assaulted did.0 -
Oh, and btw:
"mangina"
What MRAs call other men who don't uphold their misogynist views, therefore shaming a man by comparing him to the "lesser" woman. Men's rights indeed. Progressive.0 -
what's MRA mean?0
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It has noting to do with analogies, just apples and oranges on this forum.
You're right. There is absolutely no legitimate comparison in two derogatory terms and the groups of people from which they stem. My apologies.
my website: returnofkings.com
That movie is soooo gay. I guess that would also offend you. Well, as i said before, i don't care about political correctness or logically invalid terrible analogies on racism.
so what do you care about- other than making a boob of yourself (see what I did there?)
My website returnofkings
Somebody has to say what others are too afraid to say, I can't let the world slip into cowardice.
treating people with respect is not letting the world slip into cowardice.
saying *kitten* things doesn't make you a hero- it just makes you a douche bag.
Your reality is far weaker than you realize.0 -
"Don't put yourself unnecessarily into threatening situations"
Lol, as if everyone who has ever been assaulted purposely *put* themselves in that situation. That is patently absurd.
Brb, i'm getting milk. But because I don't want to "put myself in a dangerous situation", I better prepare myself with a gun, a bullet proof vest, some mace, and karate moves because simply walking down the street I could meet a mugger / rapist, and if don't prepare myself fully, i'm just asking for it.
most people are completely ignorant of their surroundings and completely unaware of what's going on.
You are the only person who has control over what you do and where you go and when you decide to do it.
I remember I felt completely safe where I lived- But I drove almost 10 miles further than I needed to to go do my grocery shopping if it was after dark or low volume hours- because I didn't feel comfortable at the dimmly lit local grocery store.
I CHOSE to not go there.
I also wasn't walking with my head down- buried in my phone- I was alert attentive- and had my keys ready to go separate from my bags so I could drop them if need be- scanning my car for suspicious vehicles near it- anything out of the ordinary under it- or for possible people in my truck bed- or even in the back seat.
Being aware and constantly prepared to move and react is almost completely foreign to most people. I'm would never say- it's their fault- did you see where they were walking- but people can avoid a lot of situations by simple paying the attention to what the heck is going on around them instead of LETTING it happen.Your reality is far weaker than you realize.
what does that even mean... my reality is just fine. it's not strong nor weak. it's reality- it is what it is.
that sentence isn't even logical.0 -
Oh, and btw:
"mangina"
What MRAs call other men who don't uphold their misogynist views, therefore shaming a man by comparing him to the "lesser" woman. Men's rights indeed. Progressive.
Misogynist: What feminists call men who don't uphold their misandric views, therefore shaming a man by comparing him to psychopaths and spree killers such as George Lepine. Feminism is a movement of equality. Very Progressive.
FIXED, now crawl back to Tumblr or Jezebel and whine about the imaginary patriarchy and pay gap.0 -
"Don't put yourself unnecessarily into threatening situations"
Lol, as if everyone who has ever been assaulted purposely *put* themselves in that situation. That is patently absurd.
Brb, i'm getting milk. But because I don't want to "put myself in a dangerous situation", I better prepare myself with a gun, a bullet proof vest, some mace, and karate moves because simply walking down the street I could meet a mugger / rapist, and if don't prepare myself fully, i'm just asking for it.
most people are completely ignorant of their surroundings and completely unaware of what's going on.
You are the only person who has control over what you do and where you go and when you decide to do it.
I remember I felt completely safe where I lived- But I drove almost 10 miles further than I needed to to go do my grocery shopping if it was after dark or low volume hours- because I didn't feel comfortable at the dimmly lit local grocery store.
I CHOSE to not go there.
I also wasn't walking with my head down- buried in my phone- I was alert attentive- and had my keys ready to go separate from my bags so I could drop them if need be- scanning my car for suspicious vehicles near it- anything out of the ordinary under it- or for possible people in my truck bed- or even in the back seat.
Being aware and constantly prepared to move and react is almost completely foreign to most people. I'm would never say- it's their fault- did you see where they were walking- but people can avoid a lot of situations by simple paying the attention to what the heck is going on around them instead of LETTING it happen.Your reality is far weaker than you realize.
what does that even mean... my reality is just fine. it's not strong nor weak. it's reality- it is what it is.
that sentence isn't even logical.
It means the real logic, not subjective logic that your views and perception are based on which CAN NOT hold sway in any context.0 -
Unfortunately, MFP still hasn't added an 'unsubscribe from thread' button.0
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Let's be honest; you don't have to be at your goal weight to get attention. You don't need to have a Baywatch bod to turn heads. You don't even need to be looking for attention to get it.
Earlier tonight: I've had a few glasses of wine. I head to the liquor store 10 mins away at 9:00 pm, alone, but made sure my mum and boyfriend knew what was up just in case. Everything's great until I get home, and on the walkway to the building is some guy. No big deal. Across the way on the grass is another guy. Now it's kindof a deal. But still, head down, keep marching, and don't look like you're asking for trouble, right? Wrong. Catcalling. Not flattering. I never pull the door closed on anyone, but tonight I made an exception, both for the outer and inner (key access only) doors. Once I'm in, two inebriated guys come out of the elevator. No catcalls, just uncomfortable looks. You know the kind when you're coveting a fancy dress or plate of food? Not the look anyone is supposed to give a stranger. I walk in a wide arc around, then get in the elevator and lay on the "close doors" button, just in case. My heart doesn't stop pounding until I'm behind the locked door of my apartment, and even then, I keep an ear out just in case anyone saw my floor from the lobby.
Say what you want. Say sexism is a myth, and feminism is redundant because women have no reason to feel marginalized. If you can't feel safe walking around your own home, there's a problem.
Not looking for pity or attention, just a little positive support.
Sad the UK has such strict gun laws. Then you wouldnt have to be afraid in your own dwelling0 -
Oh, and btw:
"mangina"
What MRAs call other men who don't uphold their misogynist views, therefore shaming a man by comparing him to the "lesser" woman. Men's rights indeed. Progressive.
Misogynist: What feminists call men who don't uphold their misandric views, therefore shaming a man by comparing him to psychopaths and spree killers such as George Lepine. Feminism is a movement of equality. Very Progressive.
FIXED, now crawl back to Tumblr or Jezebel and whine about the imaginary patriarchy and pay gap.
LOL, wow. I'll assume my definition of Mangina stands, then. Since you did not refute it.
did I hit a nerve?0 -
Not just sexism - it's plain ol' scary! There are some creepy folks out there.
I walk to work every morning and before I leave I stop in front of the mirror and put on my 'fearless warrior ' attitude...0 -
Drink|Drunk. Know your line.
I will say this, clearly and unequivocally, one. more. time. There should not be such a double standard as you have described. What you are describing is wrong. No I am not saying women can't comprehend anything if they've had a few drinks but men are evil masterminds. That is the double standard you have described. I most certainly do not think that.
If only there were some way we could, oh, I don't know, *teach* people that if she (or he) was drunk/drugged, she (or he) didn't give affirmative consent! If only there were some way of combating these ridiculous double standards! http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2013/03/enthusiastic-consent/
So, it couldn't possibly be the case that some dudes are ignorant about what constitutes explicit, affirmative consent and would not benefit from being educated that consent is never implied, or that consent cannot be given by someone who is impaired by alcohol or drugs? OK. Carry on then.I don't think anyone needs to be taught not to rape lol do you think someone would be raping people for years, then hear someone say "no dude rape is bad you shouldn't do that" and they'd be like "really? guess I'll stop". And this whole thought that there is a culture that promotes rape completely blows my mind. Rapists are criminals. That's it.
date rape. drunk rape. drugs rape.
As I said before. If both parties are equally intoxicated, all blame falls on the man and he can be charged with rape, even if she consented while drunk. This is where things get ridiculous. And I'm in no way saying that rape or date rape or anything like that are ok, but the double standards are out of hand.
Um like I said, if both parties are intoxicated.
Say you go out to the bar, meet a girl, bring her back home. She's definitely down for sex, in fact taking your clothes off. You guys do the deed, while both of you are drunk. She can turn around the next morning and charge you for rape.
How can anyone think that is just? Are you saying that women can't comprehend anything if they've had a few drinks but men are evil masterminds? But I thought men and women were equal?
What I *am* saying is that neither party was capable of giving informed, enthusiastic consent.
So, maybe don't do the deed when you're impaired. I know, that's a crazy radical idea. Nobody ever got their rocks off when they were stone cold sober.
Wait so no one should have sex if they've been drinking? Are you serious? Lol ok I'm out this is ridiculous.
If it works for driving a frickin' car, why is it so crazy for applying to intimate actions involving another human being's body?!
Omg I was reading through to catch up and I've stopped here. So no one should have sex if they've had drink in case they don't have enthusiastic consent?!
Perhaps everyone should sign up to a sexual contract beforehand just to be sure hey??0 -
Well, since the women in this thread have been informed multiple times how not to be harassed (when the logical answer is "Men should not harass women") the tables have been turned. Sure, the logical answer should be "Women shouldn't make false claims of rape" but, instead, we're going to tell men not to have sex with women they don't trust or with women who are incapacitated in any way. Sound fair to you?
Drink|Drunk. Know your line.
I will say this, clearly and unequivocally, one. more. time. There should not be such a double standard as you have described. What you are describing is wrong. No I am not saying women can't comprehend anything if they've had a few drinks but men are evil masterminds. That is the double standard you have described. I most certainly do not think that.
If only there were some way we could, oh, I don't know, *teach* people that if she (or he) was drunk/drugged, she (or he) didn't give affirmative consent! If only there were some way of combating these ridiculous double standards! http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2013/03/enthusiastic-consent/
So, it couldn't possibly be the case that some dudes are ignorant about what constitutes explicit, affirmative consent and would not benefit from being educated that consent is never implied, or that consent cannot be given by someone who is impaired by alcohol or drugs? OK. Carry on then.I don't think anyone needs to be taught not to rape lol do you think someone would be raping people for years, then hear someone say "no dude rape is bad you shouldn't do that" and they'd be like "really? guess I'll stop". And this whole thought that there is a culture that promotes rape completely blows my mind. Rapists are criminals. That's it.
date rape. drunk rape. drugs rape.
As I said before. If both parties are equally intoxicated, all blame falls on the man and he can be charged with rape, even if she consented while drunk. This is where things get ridiculous. And I'm in no way saying that rape or date rape or anything like that are ok, but the double standards are out of hand.
Um like I said, if both parties are intoxicated.
Say you go out to the bar, meet a girl, bring her back home. She's definitely down for sex, in fact taking your clothes off. You guys do the deed, while both of you are drunk. She can turn around the next morning and charge you for rape.
How can anyone think that is just? Are you saying that women can't comprehend anything if they've had a few drinks but men are evil masterminds? But I thought men and women were equal?
What I *am* saying is that neither party was capable of giving informed, enthusiastic consent.
So, maybe don't do the deed when you're impaired. I know, that's a crazy radical idea. Nobody ever got their rocks off when they were stone cold sober.
Wait so no one should have sex if they've been drinking? Are you serious? Lol ok I'm out this is ridiculous.
If it works for driving a frickin' car, why is it so crazy for applying to intimate actions involving another human being's body?!
Omg I was reading through to catch up and I've stopped here. So no one should have sex if they've had drink in case they don't have enthusiastic consent?!
Perhaps everyone should sign up to a sexual contract beforehand just to be sure hey??0 -
Well, since the women in this thread have been informed multiple times how not to be harassed (when the logical answer is "Men should not harass women") the tables have been turned. Sure, the logical answer should be "Women shouldn't make false claims of rape" but, instead, we're going to tell men not to have sex with women they don't trust or with women who are incapacitated in any way. Sound fair to you?
Drink|Drunk. Know your line.
I will say this, clearly and unequivocally, one. more. time. There should not be such a double standard as you have described. What you are describing is wrong. No I am not saying women can't comprehend anything if they've had a few drinks but men are evil masterminds. That is the double standard you have described. I most certainly do not think that.
If only there were some way we could, oh, I don't know, *teach* people that if she (or he) was drunk/drugged, she (or he) didn't give affirmative consent! If only there were some way of combating these ridiculous double standards! http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2013/03/enthusiastic-consent/
So, it couldn't possibly be the case that some dudes are ignorant about what constitutes explicit, affirmative consent and would not benefit from being educated that consent is never implied, or that consent cannot be given by someone who is impaired by alcohol or drugs? OK. Carry on then.I don't think anyone needs to be taught not to rape lol do you think someone would be raping people for years, then hear someone say "no dude rape is bad you shouldn't do that" and they'd be like "really? guess I'll stop". And this whole thought that there is a culture that promotes rape completely blows my mind. Rapists are criminals. That's it.
date rape. drunk rape. drugs rape.
As I said before. If both parties are equally intoxicated, all blame falls on the man and he can be charged with rape, even if she consented while drunk. This is where things get ridiculous. And I'm in no way saying that rape or date rape or anything like that are ok, but the double standards are out of hand.
Um like I said, if both parties are intoxicated.
Say you go out to the bar, meet a girl, bring her back home. She's definitely down for sex, in fact taking your clothes off. You guys do the deed, while both of you are drunk. She can turn around the next morning and charge you for rape.
How can anyone think that is just? Are you saying that women can't comprehend anything if they've had a few drinks but men are evil masterminds? But I thought men and women were equal?
What I *am* saying is that neither party was capable of giving informed, enthusiastic consent.
So, maybe don't do the deed when you're impaired. I know, that's a crazy radical idea. Nobody ever got their rocks off when they were stone cold sober.
Wait so no one should have sex if they've been drinking? Are you serious? Lol ok I'm out this is ridiculous.
If it works for driving a frickin' car, why is it so crazy for applying to intimate actions involving another human being's body?!
Omg I was reading through to catch up and I've stopped here. So no one should have sex if they've had drink in case they don't have enthusiastic consent?!
Perhaps everyone should sign up to a sexual contract beforehand just to be sure hey??
seems fair.0 -
I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.0
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I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.
And you know this how? :huh:0 -
Oh, and btw:
"mangina"
What MRAs call other men who don't uphold their misogynist views, therefore shaming a man by comparing him to the "lesser" woman. Men's rights indeed. Progressive.
Misogynist: What feminists call men who don't uphold their misandric views, therefore shaming a man by comparing him to psychopaths and spree killers such as George Lepine. Feminism is a movement of equality. Very Progressive.
FIXED, now crawl back to Tumblr or Jezebel and whine about the imaginary patriarchy and pay gap.
LOL, wow. I'll assume my definition of Mangina stands, then. Since you did not refute it.
did I hit a nerve?
Those who disagree with feminist dogma tend to labeled as misogynists, gender traitors, or anti-feminists, so the insult is really meaningless.
Mangina isn't sexist, it came into being when men , especially feminist men started to encompass and promote the misandry of feminism; i.e. men are warmongers, rapists, abusers, and so on. In their rhetoric they promote negative stereotypes of men and obliquely claim women are the superior gender. It's as if they covet to be female while they loathe their own gender; thus have vagina envy. Michael Kimmel and Jackson Kaatz are two notable examples of a mangina.
It isn't exclusively used by MRAs, (as MRAs try to be too politically correct to use the term) but pickup artists too or the general mansophere. Even common people not associated with the mansophere, both men and women use the term.0 -
That wasn't sexism, just a few guys being pigs.
Next time walk with your head up and confident. If you feel threatened look them in the face. Guys won't attack or try to touch you if there's a chance you could describe them to the police. Keeping your head down is more likely to lead to an attack because you look unsure, weak and timid.
Exactly! People who walk around staring at the ground look like victims. The less you look like a victim the less likely you are to be one. People who are confident and situationally aware are more likely to be left alone.
^this...
...and in...
...to learn what perceived and real wrongs committed by others of my gender for which I will be expected to recompense.0
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