Holy sexism, batman!

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  • DR2501
    DR2501 Posts: 661 Member
    Every brewery in the world would go out of business if people stopped going out for drinks and sex...
  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
    I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

    I think Susan Brownmiller said only 2% of rape accusations are false, despite her source being bad.

    There are a few studies on the subject, some studies showing 40 to 90%. Difficult to say if it is common or not as a lot of studies use flawed methodology, and there has never been a survey designed to gauge the dark area of the crime unknown or known to police.
  • msf74
    msf74 Posts: 3,498 Member
    what's MRA mean?

    Men's Rights Activist I presume.

    Lots of talk of blue pills and red pills and the like...
  • Rage_Phish
    Rage_Phish Posts: 1,507 Member
    what's MRA mean?

    Men's Rights Activist I presume.

    Lots of talk of blue pills and red pills and the like...

    ahhhh got it, thanks
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    That wasn't sexism, just a few guys being pigs.

    Next time walk with your head up and confident. If you feel threatened look them in the face. Guys won't attack or try to touch you if there's a chance you could describe them to the police. Keeping your head down is more likely to lead to an attack because you look unsure, weak and timid.

    Exactly! People who walk around staring at the ground look like victims. The less you look like a victim the less likely you are to be one. People who are confident and situationally aware are more likely to be left alone.

    ^this...

    ...and in...

    ...to learn what perceived and real wrongs committed by others of my gender for which I will be expected to recompense.

    +1000

    Predators don't generally prefer to go after 'aware' prey. Even better if you actually have a clue how to handle yourself and don't just mimic the behavior of someone who does.

    And BTW, when did catcalling become threatening? I'm no fan of it, but I've never felt like I needed protection because some *kitten* is making a fool of himself. They weren't moving toward the OP, right? Just standing back and being loud mouths? Now the guy who pursued me down a crowded street in broad daylight, grabbing my arm and trying to drag me in an alley while telling me in explicit terms what he was going to do to me when he got me there ... yeah. That warranted some nervousness on my part. If he hadn't let go and given up when I twisted out of his grip, I'd have broken his fingers for him.
  • Hauntinglyfit
    Hauntinglyfit Posts: 5,537 Member
    Sorry OP, that's not sexist.


    Your "I am a helpless woman, OMG, there are 2 guys in my building and they are looking at me!" does nothing to help get rid of TRUE sexism.
    Not everyone who looks at you or even catcalls(disrespectful, i agree), is out to get you.

    I would assume you lead a fairly sheltered life. From my personal experience, i can tell you that the best thing to do when you find yourself in a really threatening situation is to act confident, look people in the eyes and don't show fear. Stand your ground at all times.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    Just putting this here..

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  • wiscck
    wiscck Posts: 185 Member
    I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

    And you know this how? :huh:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

    FBI statistics say unfounded accusations of rape (which is false accusations AND accusations where there is little evidence) is 8%.
  • BattleTaxi
    BattleTaxi Posts: 752 Member
    To exude power over another does not require a specific gender formula nor a rating of hot or not. That is one of the biggest misconceptions about being attacked or sexually assaulted. Sounds like they were seeking to victimize someone they deemed weak. I am glad that you were not harmed!
  • RllyGudTweetr
    RllyGudTweetr Posts: 2,019 Member
    I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

    And you know this how? :huh:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

    FBI statistics say unfounded accusations of rape (which is false accusations AND accusations where there is little evidence) is 8%.
    What are the statistics on unreported rapes, specifically the ones that clearly indicate that they are 'fairly common?'
  • whitebalance
    whitebalance Posts: 1,654 Member
    Well, since the women in this thread have been informed multiple times how not to be harassed (when the logical answer is "Men should not harass women") the tables have been turned. Sure, the logical answer should be "Women shouldn't make false claims of rape" but, instead, we're going to tell men not to have sex with women they don't trust or with women who are incapacitated in any way. Sound fair to you?

    seems fair.

    Yup, that's part of what I taught my son from the age of 13 or so. Since he also had combat skills and was a teetotaler, he was the go-to guy to escort drunk girls safely back to their dorm rooms from campus parties. I understand a few of them were very grateful for his reactions to their behavior, once they sobered up.

    It's about personal responsibility. Nothing more, nothing less. The only behavior you can ever really control is your own.
  • whitebalance
    whitebalance Posts: 1,654 Member
    To exude power over another does not require a specific gender formula nor a rating of hot or not. That is one of the biggest misconceptions about being attacked or sexually assaulted. Sounds like they were seeking to victimize someone they deemed weak. I am glad that you were not harmed!
    Well stated.
  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
    I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

    And you know this how? :huh:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

    FBI statistics say unfounded accusations of rape (which is false accusations AND accusations where there is little evidence) is 8%.

    The FBI is interesting, but here is a link that alludes to many studies (police stats can be sloppy): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

    The statistics vary greatly.
  • wiscck
    wiscck Posts: 185 Member
    I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

    And you know this how? :huh:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

    FBI statistics say unfounded accusations of rape (which is false accusations AND accusations where there is little evidence) is 8%.
    What are the statistics on unreported rapes, specifically the ones that clearly indicate that they are 'fairly common?'
    http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
    60% will go unreported.
  • Myhaloslipped
    Myhaloslipped Posts: 4,317 Member
    I'll bet that those catcalling dudes don't even lift!
  • WhoHa42
    WhoHa42 Posts: 1,270 Member
    When you get into guessing the numbers of unreported crimes it's exactly that... a guess. Also LOL at people using wikipedia as a source.

    There will be a lot of edits so I can fit everything in one post.

    Also Joy saves yet another thread with the perfect gif lol

    Once again, everyone knows that rape and harassment are wrong. Telling people not to do it isn't going to stop them. So the people giving advice on being more confident an how to protect yourself are far more practical than the people saying "well they shouldn't have to do that"
  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
    With the Kanin and Mcdowell studies (and their criticisms), and the FBI stat for when the feminist Brownmiller (the 70's) exclaimed her notorious 2% claim, I would say the rate for false accusations are unknown. With the ideological bias today when it comes to trying to figure out if false rape accusations are false or not, and when police rarely charge those who do falsely accuse...good luck.

    Police stats or UCR stats are not reliable. This questions will have to be answered with perhaps a survey despite the many problems of a victimization survey.

    False accusations could very well by 50%.
  • RllyGudTweetr
    RllyGudTweetr Posts: 2,019 Member
    I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

    And you know this how? :huh:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

    FBI statistics say unfounded accusations of rape (which is false accusations AND accusations where there is little evidence) is 8%.
    What are the statistics on unreported rapes, specifically the ones that clearly indicate that they are 'fairly common?'
    http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
    60% will go unreported.
    I'm fascinated to learn how they accurately compile statistics on crimes that aren't reported. . . particularly when one considers the variable claims on the reported numbers.
  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
    When you get into guessing the numbers of unreported crimes it's exactly that... a guess. Also LOL at people using wikipedia as a source.


    Wikipedia is a terrible source to assert any point as it can be leftist slanted, but it does have references to some studies. Probably the majority of those studies being bad, but it is a start. A very weak start.
  • WhoHa42
    WhoHa42 Posts: 1,270 Member
    When you get into guessing the numbers of unreported crimes it's exactly that... a guess. Also LOL at people using wikipedia as a source.


    Wikipedia is a terrible source to assert any point as it can be leftist slanted, but it does have references to some studies. Probably the majority of those studies being bad, but it is a start. A very weak start.

    It was the fact that both sides of the argument were using the same website (which can be edited by anyone) to get drastically different statistics that made me laugh.
  • WhoHa42
    WhoHa42 Posts: 1,270 Member
    One more thing, why do feminists hate men's rights activists so much? As we've talked about before in this thread men's rights in the judicial system are almost non-existent when the trial is against a woman in certain cases such as divorce and rape accusations.
  • wiscck
    wiscck Posts: 185 Member
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.2.html

    This debunks the low (2%) number and the high (40-90%) number and comes up with 8-10% of rapes being falsely reported.

    And again, this includes women who falsely accused a specific man of rape, women who said they were raped (but didn't give a name) but weren't, and reported rapes that have little to no evidence.
  • wiscck
    wiscck Posts: 185 Member
    Still pretty rare. That means that by far most reported rapes are not false reports.
  • WhoHa42
    WhoHa42 Posts: 1,270 Member
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.2.html

    This debunks the low (2%) number and the high (40-90%) number and comes up with 8-10% of rapes being falsely reported.

    And again, this includes women who falsely accused a specific man of rape, women who said they were raped (but didn't give a name) but weren't, and reported rapes that have little to no evidence.

    Is this a reputable site? Serious question, I've never heard of it before. I was always taught to use sources from peer reviewed articles.
  • wiscck
    wiscck Posts: 185 Member
    http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf

    This is from the National Center for Prosecution of Violence Against Women. It's a long, but interesting read. And, actually most false reports are women saying "I was raped" but not naming a rapist. So of that 8-10% of false reports, a minority of them are women saying a specific man raped her.
  • wiscck
    wiscck Posts: 185 Member
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.2.html

    This debunks the low (2%) number and the high (40-90%) number and comes up with 8-10% of rapes being falsely reported.

    And again, this includes women who falsely accused a specific man of rape, women who said they were raped (but didn't give a name) but weren't, and reported rapes that have little to no evidence.

    Is this a reputable site? Serious question, I've never heard of it before. I was always taught to use sources from peer reviewed articles.
    I don't have access to JSTOR any more.
  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
    The Slate article is pretty slanted; Slate tends to be leftist (feminist).

    Kanin had two samples, one in a small midwestern town where a polygraph was used (if polygraph produces false positives), and one at a university where a polygraph wasn't used. - false reporting rape rate was the same in both samples.

    Not really sure why the McDowell study is rarely analyzed: http://www.mediaradar.org/mcdowell_kanin_credible.php.

    Occasionally you come across oddly high false rape stats like here (30%): http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-md-ci-rapes-20100519,0,5338041.story?page=1&track=rss

    In Ottawa (31%): http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/02/31-percent-of-all-sexual-assault-claims.html
  • WhoHa42
    WhoHa42 Posts: 1,270 Member
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.2.html

    This debunks the low (2%) number and the high (40-90%) number and comes up with 8-10% of rapes being falsely reported.

    And again, this includes women who falsely accused a specific man of rape, women who said they were raped (but didn't give a name) but weren't, and reported rapes that have little to no evidence.

    Is this a reputable site? Serious question, I've never heard of it before. I was always taught to use sources from peer reviewed articles.
    I don't have access to JSTOR any more.

    Ah ok. I'm actually reading an article from 2006 on JSTOR right now. About halfway through but from what I've read so far it's around 10% for "false allegations", this does not include cases that were withdrawn or cases that actually went through in court (which does happen from time to time).

    I'll be back with more once I finish it.

    Edit: Here's a chart used in the article that I just got to. These are the results of other studies on the subject.

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  • WhoHa42
    WhoHa42 Posts: 1,270 Member
    One last thing before I get back to reading.

    This shows how significant false rape claims are compared to false murder and other crimes.
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  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
    One last thing before I get back to reading.

    This shows how significant false rape claims are compared to false murder and other crimes.
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    wow

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