WHO: Governments should regulate fast food to slow obesity
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Its crap..
when ever you ask Big Brother to watch over you. its not a good thing.
People need to protect themselfs...
Should we get rid of the stop signs? Let Smirnoff market a "Vodka for Kids" brand?
We've got a million little rules designed to make the system run more smoothly, and most of them are pretty sensible. I'm not saying we need to outlaw the cheeseburger, but surely there are some practical things that could be done to reverse obesity rates.
This is a strawman argument.....
No one here is saying government has no role in society.
So because I don't want the government making choices on how I eat, or what I put in my mouth...
That translates in your mind, that I want road signs removed???
Sheesh0 -
There's more to it than just "eating too many calories". Do yourself a favor and watch The Pleasure Trap by Doug Lisle at Tedx.
http://youtu.be/jX2btaDOBK8
The processed foods that have become the staple of the Western Diet have lots of calories but do not satisfy our need for satiety. They are not nutrient dense and they do not have enough volume to fill our stomachs.
Someone made a comment about gaining weight on bananas (and other plant foods). You would have to work really hard to eat a whole foods plant based diet and gain weight. That's been my diet for over a year now, and I do not have to worry about portion control for the first time in my life. If I want to eat, I can, as much as I want to.
My two rules: 1) if it doesn't have fiber in it, I don't eat it. 2) if it has cholesterol in it, I don't eat it.
great post! I love your avatar
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Fast food prices based on bf%! Free bodpod with every happy-meal FTW!0
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Any time there is talk of fast food on here, I seriously want to have that for lunch.0
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Any time there is talk of fast food on here, I seriously want to have that for lunch.
Can I come with??0 -
The problem with not doing anything and letting people decide for themselves is that its costing all of us a lot of money. Healthcare has become very expensive. The lost productivity has a collective toll on the wellbeing of our society. Healthcare is a huge burden that doesn't have to be.
The leading cause of death, worse than all cancers combined, is due to any entirely preventable illness caused by the Western Diet. The cost to our society and economy is huge. There are many societies where heart disease is virtually unheard of.
*sigh*
So we need to take away from the people, more decision making??
Governments should not be allowed to do that.....you are asking for tyranny.....
We don't need more government in this arena....
Let people bear the costs of their choices.....so get government out of healthcare.
Let people choose to live healthy and save money or live poorly and pay to keep themselves alive.
No just education. The problem is that the information is readily available yet most people don't know it. Take the example of Bill Clinton. His Drs. caring for him when he was in office didn't tell him that it was the saturated fat and cholesterol in his diet that was causing his heart disease. He had bypass surgery, and still wasn't told that he needed to drastically cut back on animal food (the source of nearly all saturated fat and cholesterol). Then his bypass failed, and he needed stents.
It wasn't until Dr Dean Ornish wrote him a letter and told him to read Dr Caldwell Essylston's book that someone actually educated him about the cause of his disease and how to prevent it from reoccurring.
My dad has had 2 bypass surgeries over 20 years' time. And it was only last year after watching Forks Over Knives that he actually found out what was causing his disease and that he didn't have to suffer from it; that it was preventable.
How come more people don't know this. It's education. People need to be educated.
Imagine if we eliminated all coronary disease with this education. Imagine what that would do to the economy. (And you could include all adult onset diabetes too because it is the same cause.)0 -
The problem with not doing anything and letting people decide for themselves is that its costing all of us a lot of money. Healthcare has become very expensive. The lost productivity has a collective toll on the wellbeing of our society. Healthcare is a huge burden that doesn't have to be.
The leading cause of death, worse than all cancers combined, is due to any entirely preventable illness caused by the Western Diet. The cost to our society and economy is huge. There are many societies where heart disease is virtually unheard of.
*sigh*
So we need to take away from the people, more decision making??
Governments should not be allowed to do that.....you are asking for tyranny.....
We don't need more government in this arena....
Let people bear the costs of their choices.....so get government out of healthcare.
Let people choose to live healthy and save money or live poorly and pay to keep themselves alive.
No just education. The problem is that the information is readily available yet most people don't know it. Take the example of Bill Clinton. His Drs. caring for him when he was in office didn't tell him that it was the saturated fat and cholesterol in his diet that was causing his heart disease. He had bypass surgery, and still wasn't told that he needed to drastically cut back on animal food (the source of nearly all saturated fat and cholesterol). Then his bypass failed, and he needed stents.
It wasn't until Dr Dean Ornish wrote him a letter and told him to read Dr Caldwell Essylston's book that someone actually educated him about the cause of his disease and how to prevent it from reoccurring.
My dad has had 2 bypass surgeries over 20 years' time. And it was only last year after watching Forks Over Knives that he actually found out what was causing his disease and that he didn't have to suffer from it; that it was preventable.
How come more people don't know this. It's education. People need to be educated.
Imagine if we eliminated all coronary disease with this education. Imagine what that would do to the economy. (And you could include all adult onset diabetes too because it is the same cause.)
So you are telling me in this day and age, with the Internet at your finger tips, and all the stuff out there....
And all the various commercials on TV and radio.....
That someone cannot educate themselves???
We need government to do this??
Hmmm.....ok
Let me say this then....if that is the case, we are truly one F****d society/race0 -
I don't even know what to say about an article like this. If people can't put down the fork, that's their problem, not the government's.0
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Its crap..
when ever you ask Big Brother to watch over you. its not a good thing.
People need to protect themselfs...
Should we get rid of the stop signs? Let Smirnoff market a "Vodka for Kids" brand?
We've got a million little rules designed to make the system run more smoothly, and most of them are pretty sensible. I'm not saying we need to outlaw the cheeseburger, but surely there are some practical things that could be done to reverse obesity rates.
This is a strawman argument.....
No one here is saying government has no role in society.
So because I don't want the government making choices on how I eat, or what I put in my mouth...
That translates in your mind, that I want road signs removed???
Sheesh
My point is that I think there's a lot of room between, say, banning certain ads that target children and "tyranny".0 -
I don't even know what to say about an article like this. If people can't put down the fork, that's their problem, not the government's.
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Its crap..
when ever you ask Big Brother to watch over you. its not a good thing.
People need to protect themselfs...
Should we get rid of the stop signs? Let Smirnoff market a "Vodka for Kids" brand?
We've got a million little rules designed to make the system run more smoothly, and most of them are pretty sensible. I'm not saying we need to outlaw the cheeseburger, but surely there are some practical things that could be done to reverse obesity rates.
This is a strawman argument.....
No one here is saying government has no role in society.
So because I don't want the government making choices on how I eat, or what I put in my mouth...
That translates in your mind, that I want road signs removed???
Sheesh
My point is that I think there's a lot of room between, say, banning certain ads that target children and "tyranny".
Can you point to a time when government has gotten involved in something, and the program stayed within the confines of when it was setup???
Yeah, sure, they start out small, targeted and for all the right reasons....but over time they expand.
Like I mentioned earlier....Bloomberg tried this in NYC, by saying you couldn't buy 32 oz. sodas....0 -
I think we should be allowed to eat what we want. HOWEVER, it should be a treat not a daily occurance. Is nutrition not taught to people any more? I feel guilty if I don't have some vegetables and fruit every day. The way some children are fed these days leaves a lot to be desired. I don't fall for this I don't have time to fix a good meal. I worked when both my kids were young and they had a home cooked meal every night. Crock pots work great :happy:0
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The problem with not doing anything and letting people decide for themselves is that its costing all of us a lot of money. Healthcare has become very expensive. The lost productivity has a collective toll on the wellbeing of our society. Healthcare is a huge burden that doesn't have to be.
The leading cause of death, worse than all cancers combined, is due to any entirely preventable illness caused by the Western Diet. The cost to our society and economy is huge. There are many societies where heart disease is virtually unheard of.
*sigh*
So we need to take away from the people, more decision making??
Governments should not be allowed to do that.....you are asking for tyranny.....
We don't need more government in this arena....
Let people bear the costs of their choices.....so get government out of healthcare.
Let people choose to live healthy and save money or live poorly and pay to keep themselves alive.
No just education. The problem is that the information is readily available yet most people don't know it. Take the example of Bill Clinton. His Drs. caring for him when he was in office didn't tell him that it was the saturated fat and cholesterol in his diet that was causing his heart disease. He had bypass surgery, and still wasn't told that he needed to drastically cut back on animal food (the source of nearly all saturated fat and cholesterol). Then his bypass failed, and he needed stents.
It wasn't until Dr Dean Ornish wrote him a letter and told him to read Dr Caldwell Essylston's book that someone actually educated him about the cause of his disease and how to prevent it from reoccurring.
My dad has had 2 bypass surgeries over 20 years' time. And it was only last year after watching Forks Over Knives that he actually found out what was causing his disease and that he didn't have to suffer from it; that it was preventable.
How come more people don't know this. It's education. People need to be educated.
Imagine if we eliminated all coronary disease with this education. Imagine what that would do to the economy. (And you could include all adult onset diabetes too because it is the same cause.)
So you are telling me in this day and age, with the Internet at your finger tips, and all the stuff out there....
And all the various commercials on TV and radio.....
That someone cannot educate themselves???
We need government to do this??
Hmmm.....ok
Let me say this then....if that is the case, we are truly one F****d society/race
So question for you Max. Do you know that when you eat meat, dairy and eggs that you are creating the potential for coronary artery disease? Do you know that atherosclerosis starts in childhood, is due to eating meat, dairy and eggs, and progresses throughout our lives? So that as we age this arterial disease leads to strokes, heart disease, and contributes towards diabetes at midlife and later, did you know that?
Heart disease starts in childhood, unless you are/were eating a plant based diet. Did you know that, with the Internet and all?0 -
The only thing the government should regulate is advertising for "lose 20lbs in 1 day" ads for supplements and other bs like techniques. They can help by educating the public on CALORIES IN vs CALORIES OUT.
It is ridiculous how the 1 method that is to work is not mentioned ever.0 -
The problem with not doing anything and letting people decide for themselves is that its costing all of us a lot of money. Healthcare has become very expensive. The lost productivity has a collective toll on the wellbeing of our society. Healthcare is a huge burden that doesn't have to be.
The leading cause of death, worse than all cancers combined, is due to any entirely preventable illness caused by the Western Diet. The cost to our society and economy is huge. There are many societies where heart disease is virtually unheard of.
*sigh*
So we need to take away from the people, more decision making??
Governments should not be allowed to do that.....you are asking for tyranny.....
We don't need more government in this arena....
Let people bear the costs of their choices.....so get government out of healthcare.
Let people choose to live healthy and save money or live poorly and pay to keep themselves alive.
No just education. The problem is that the information is readily available yet most people don't know it. Take the example of Bill Clinton. His Drs. caring for him when he was in office didn't tell him that it was the saturated fat and cholesterol in his diet that was causing his heart disease. He had bypass surgery, and still wasn't told that he needed to drastically cut back on animal food (the source of nearly all saturated fat and cholesterol). Then his bypass failed, and he needed stents.
It wasn't until Dr Dean Ornish wrote him a letter and told him to read Dr Caldwell Essylston's book that someone actually educated him about the cause of his disease and how to prevent it from reoccurring.
My dad has had 2 bypass surgeries over 20 years' time. And it was only last year after watching Forks Over Knives that he actually found out what was causing his disease and that he didn't have to suffer from it; that it was preventable.
How come more people don't know this. It's education. People need to be educated.
Imagine if we eliminated all coronary disease with this education. Imagine what that would do to the economy. (And you could include all adult onset diabetes too because it is the same cause.)
So you are telling me in this day and age, with the Internet at your finger tips, and all the stuff out there....
And all the various commercials on TV and radio.....
That someone cannot educate themselves???
We need government to do this??
Hmmm.....ok
Let me say this then....if that is the case, we are truly one F****d society/race
So question for you Max. Do you know that when you eat meat, dairy and eggs that you are creating the potential for coronary artery disease? Do you know that atherosclerosis starts in childhood, is due to eating meat, dairy and eggs, and progresses throughout our lives? So that as we age this arterial disease leads to strokes, heart disease, and contributes towards diabetes at midlife and later, did you know that?
Heart disease starts in childhood, unless you are/were eating a plant based diet. Did you know that, with the Internet and all?
Please substantiate0 -
The problem with not doing anything and letting people decide for themselves is that its costing all of us a lot of money. Healthcare has become very expensive. The lost productivity has a collective toll on the wellbeing of our society. Healthcare is a huge burden that doesn't have to be.
The leading cause of death, worse than all cancers combined, is due to any entirely preventable illness caused by the Western Diet. The cost to our society and economy is huge. There are many societies where heart disease is virtually unheard of.
*sigh*
So we need to take away from the people, more decision making??
Governments should not be allowed to do that.....you are asking for tyranny.....
We don't need more government in this arena....
Let people bear the costs of their choices.....so get government out of healthcare.
Let people choose to live healthy and save money or live poorly and pay to keep themselves alive.
No just education. The problem is that the information is readily available yet most people don't know it. Take the example of Bill Clinton. His Drs. caring for him when he was in office didn't tell him that it was the saturated fat and cholesterol in his diet that was causing his heart disease. He had bypass surgery, and still wasn't told that he needed to drastically cut back on animal food (the source of nearly all saturated fat and cholesterol). Then his bypass failed, and he needed stents.
It wasn't until Dr Dean Ornish wrote him a letter and told him to read Dr Caldwell Essylston's book that someone actually educated him about the cause of his disease and how to prevent it from reoccurring.
My dad has had 2 bypass surgeries over 20 years' time. And it was only last year after watching Forks Over Knives that he actually found out what was causing his disease and that he didn't have to suffer from it; that it was preventable.
How come more people don't know this. It's education. People need to be educated.
Imagine if we eliminated all coronary disease with this education. Imagine what that would do to the economy. (And you could include all adult onset diabetes too because it is the same cause.)
So you are telling me in this day and age, with the Internet at your finger tips, and all the stuff out there....
And all the various commercials on TV and radio.....
That someone cannot educate themselves???
We need government to do this??
Hmmm.....ok
Let me say this then....if that is the case, we are truly one F****d society/race
So question for you Max. Do you know that when you eat meat, dairy and eggs that you are creating the potential for coronary artery disease? Do you know that atherosclerosis starts in childhood, is due to eating meat, dairy and eggs, and progresses throughout our lives? So that as we age this arterial disease leads to strokes, heart disease, and contributes towards diabetes at midlife and later, did you know that?
Heart disease starts in childhood, unless you are/were eating a plant based diet. Did you know that, with the Internet and all?
Please substantiate
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/heart-disease-starts-in-childhood/0 -
Its crap..
when ever you ask Big Brother to watch over you. its not a good thing.
People need to protect themselfs...
Should we get rid of the stop signs? Let Smirnoff market a "Vodka for Kids" brand?
We've got a million little rules designed to make the system run more smoothly, and most of them are pretty sensible. I'm not saying we need to outlaw the cheeseburger, but surely there are some practical things that could be done to reverse obesity rates.
This is a strawman argument.....
No one here is saying government has no role in society.
So because I don't want the government making choices on how I eat, or what I put in my mouth...
That translates in your mind, that I want road signs removed???
Sheesh
My point is that I think there's a lot of room between, say, banning certain ads that target children and "tyranny".
Can you point to a time when government has gotten involved in something, and the program stayed within the confines of when it was setup???
Yeah, sure, they start out small, targeted and for all the right reasons....but over time they expand.
Like I mentioned earlier....Bloomberg tried this in NYC, by saying you couldn't buy 32 oz. sodas....
I have no idea where I could even look that up. I can point you to about 100 different little regulations that most people would probably agree have made life a little better, though. Bloomberg's approach was moronic, btw. That sort of heavy-handed intrusion does nothing but piss people off.0 -
So question for you Max. Do you know that when you eat meat, dairy and eggs that you are creating the potential for coronary artery disease? Do you know that atherosclerosis starts in childhood, is due to eating meat, dairy and eggs, and progresses throughout our lives? So that as we age this arterial disease leads to strokes, heart disease, and contributes towards diabetes at midlife and later, did you know that?
Heart disease starts in childhood, unless you are/were eating a plant based diet. Did you know that, with the Internet and all?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Did you know that there are studies out there, that say saturated fat cannot be linked to heart disease.....???
Did you know that you can actually eat whole eggs, and you will be fine??
Seriously, I will let jonnythan handle this one....he will have a field day with it.0 -
I have no idea where I could even look that up. I can point you to about 100 different little regulations that most people would probably agree have made life a little better, though.
Fine great and wonderful
I can point to a lot of other areas where they havent....
So I will err on the side of caution with this and what I stick in my mouth......
But i mean look at the NSA and all the stuff they collect now...and that all started out with good intentions.0 -
So question for you Max. Do you know that when you eat meat, dairy and eggs that you are creating the potential for coronary artery disease? Do you know that atherosclerosis starts in childhood, is due to eating meat, dairy and eggs, and progresses throughout our lives? So that as we age this arterial disease leads to strokes, heart disease, and contributes towards diabetes at midlife and later, did you know that?
Heart disease starts in childhood, unless you are/were eating a plant based diet. Did you know that, with the Internet and all?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Did you know that there are studies out there, that say saturated fat cannot be linked to heart disease.....???
Did you know that you can actually eat whole eggs, and you will be fine??
Seriously, I will let jonnythan handle this one....he will have a field day with it.
Let me say this about that as well
I eat a lot of dairy, eggs, milk, whatever....
My blood work is great....and my BP has been dropping since August 2013
Was at 133/73 in August
Last check I was 118/720
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