So can we put this topic to bed now?
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Why does everyone who posts these articles believe that correlation equals causation?After additional adjustment for sociodemographic, behavioral, and clinical characteristics, HRs were 1.00 (reference), 1.07 (1.02-1.12), 1.18 (1.06-1.31), 1.38 (1.11-1.70), and 2.03 (1.26-3.27; P = .004), respectively.
Which do you think is most likely?0 -
Why does everyone who posts these articles believe that correlation equals causation?After additional adjustment for sociodemographic, behavioral, and clinical characteristics, HRs were 1.00 (reference), 1.07 (1.02-1.12), 1.18 (1.06-1.31), 1.38 (1.11-1.70), and 2.03 (1.26-3.27; P = .004), respectively.
Which do you think is most likely?
Probably 3. They attempted to adjust the results for a few things, but not a whole lot really. The content of the remainder of the diet and body composition are two big ones.
WTH were you when we sent up the jonnythan signal
in a different thread earlier today??0 -
Why does everyone who posts these articles believe that correlation equals causation?After additional adjustment for sociodemographic, behavioral, and clinical characteristics, HRs were 1.00 (reference), 1.07 (1.02-1.12), 1.18 (1.06-1.31), 1.38 (1.11-1.70), and 2.03 (1.26-3.27; P = .004), respectively.
Which do you think is most likely?
See bolded above. What were the original adjustments/factors?0 -
IN..because I'd like to go to bed.0
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in, because......well, im just in.0
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IN..because I'd like to go to bed.
Sadly that won't happen in this topic.
Because HYPOTHESIS. :laugh:0 -
People on the internet are irritating as ****.0
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Uh no. Because there was no reference to the primary research. And a quick search of PubMed netted me zilch.
https://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1819573
Thanks for the link. Do you have access to the full study?
It is similar in nature to the recent Epic-Interact study on sugar sweetened beverages and the link to diabetes irrespective of body fatness, It's certainly an interesting line of research but the jury is still out from what I can gather.
I'm not sure how anyone would go about constructing a "causation" study on sugar intake especially if it leads to adverse health consequences ("yeah, I have this great idea. I need some human subjects and if I am right they will get really sick on my study. How cool is that? Can I have some funding please? What do you mean, rats?") but if the statistically correlation is strong enough then you can draw reliable conclusions from it according to my understanding.
I'm keeping an open mind at this stage.0 -
Why don't we do our own MFP poll and ask who feels that sugar is making them ill? Based on actual facts, tummy aches, bad skin, headache, insulin sensitivity, mood swings etc.
I'm not saying you only eat the white stuff with a spoon to prove it's not food combinations but I know from personal exclusion testing that added sugar gives me all of the above yet I crave it like my life depends on it.
My life has enhanced in all ways since eliminating sugar from my normal eating regime (I'm not on a diet) I only have the occasional wobble now instead of week long binges and have lost a decent amount of weight so far.
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Improve sugar by feeding to yeast in water. Then drink!!! Such fun0
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Improve sugar by feeding to yeast in water. Then drink!!! Such fun
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Why does everyone who posts these articles believe that correlation equals causation?After additional adjustment for sociodemographic, behavioral, and clinical characteristics, HRs were 1.00 (reference), 1.07 (1.02-1.12), 1.18 (1.06-1.31), 1.38 (1.11-1.70), and 2.03 (1.26-3.27; P = .004), respectively.
Which do you think is most likely?
Probably 3. They attempted to adjust the results for a few things, but not a whole lot really. The content of the remainder of the diet and body composition are two big ones.
WTH were you when we sent up the jonnythan signal
in a different thread earlier today??
Probably in the MRI machine.0 -
Modus omnibus in rebus, soror, optimum est habitu;
Nimia omnia nimium exhibent negotium hominibus ex se.
In everything the middle course is best: all things in excess bring trouble to men.
~Plautus, Pænulus, I. 2. 29.
Good advice for 200BC, still good advice...
There has been a buttload of research supporting that statement too.0 -
see Horizon: sugar vs Fat0
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MFP poll
actual facts0 -
"Robert Lustig is a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of California, San Francisco" so the OP refers to something coming from a member of his backing band ? No bias there then, clearly.0
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But, but, but! Bananas and peaches and pears...
And that's not to mention the cookies, cakes, and the nectar of the gods... Dr Pepper.
MMMMM Dr Pepper MMMMMM0 -
Why don't we do our own MFP poll and ask who feels that sugar is making them ill? Based on actual facts, tummy aches, bad skin, headache, insulin sensitivity, mood swings etc.
I'm not saying you only eat the white stuff with a spoon to prove it's not food combinations but I know from personal exclusion testing that added sugar gives me all of the above yet I crave it like my life depends on it.
My life has enhanced in all ways since eliminating sugar from my normal eating regime (I'm not on a diet) I only have the occasional wobble now instead of week long binges and have lost a decent amount of weight so far.
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My experience with added sugar is that I don't get any of the symptoms/diseases you described. Must be safe to eat then.0 -
But, but, but! Bananas and peaches and pears...
And that's not to mention the cookies, cakes, and the nectar of the gods... Dr Pepper.
That's pretty much how I describe Dr. Pepper too.
Anyway, in to learn more about sugar. These debates are always interesting reads.0 -
Uh no. Because there was no reference to the primary research. And a quick search of PubMed netted me zilch.
https://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1819573
Thanks for the link. Do you have access to the full study?
It is similar in nature to the recent Epic-Interact study on sugar sweetened beverages and the link to diabetes irrespective of body fatness, It's certainly an interesting line of research but the jury is still out from what I can gather.
I'm not sure how anyone would go about constructing a "causation" study on sugar intake especially if it leads to adverse health consequences ("yeah, I have this great idea. I need some human subjects and if I am right they will get really sick on my study. How cool is that? Can I have some funding please? What do you mean, rats?") but if the statistically correlation is strong enough then you can draw reliable conclusions from it according to my understanding.
I'm keeping an open mind at this stage.0
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