So can we put this topic to bed now?
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Let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over this.
2000 cals * 1/4 = 500 cals of ADDED sugar.
500 cals /4 cal/gram = 125 grams.
125 grams of sugar = 1/2 cup of sugar, or around 24 teaspoons!
That's a lot... Just saying... Cant' see how anybody can say that's a good thing...
I keep going back to basic maths.
How the heck does someone take in that much added sugar.
Not from fruit or veg, but ADDED sugar.0 -
Ahh correlation/causation arguments again. Gotta love em.0
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There is a percentage of the population where the food they choose is mostly the sugary refined type from the collected data, however small that might be, it exists.....I would imagine it would be a sub quintile based on FFQ of the group that mostly represents the SAD. just a guess though.Let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over this.
2000 cals * 1/4 = 500 cals of ADDED sugar.
500 cals /4 cal/gram = 125 grams.
125 grams of sugar = 1/2 cup of sugar, or around 24 teaspoons!
That's a lot... Just saying... Cant' see how anybody can say that's a good thing...
I keep going back to basic maths.
How the heck does someone take in that much added sugar.
Not from fruit or veg, but ADDED sugar.0 -
Posts like this remind me of the song The Nightfly by Donald Fagen,
"So you say there's a race of men in the trees,
You're for tough legislation, thanks for calling
I wait all night for calls like these."0 -
Let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over this.
2000 cals * 1/4 = 500 cals of ADDED sugar.
500 cals /4 cal/gram = 125 grams.
125 grams of sugar = 1/2 cup of sugar, or around 24 teaspoons!
That's a lot... Just saying... Cant' see how anybody can say that's a good thing...
I keep going back to basic maths.
How the heck does someone take in that much added sugar.
Not from fruit or veg, but ADDED sugar.
fizzy drinks - one can of coke is 35g
It really isn't that hard tbh.0 -
Ahh correlation/causation arguments again. Gotta love em.
blah blah blah SUGAR IS BAD! because SCIENCE!
That's all you need to know.
(Well, I mean, only *added* sugar is bad. Naturally occurring sugar is magical...because fiber.)0 -
In because0
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I don't know about that particular study and I know there's lots of people here who love their sugar and freak out at any suggestion that it may be harmful.... but..... speaking from only personal experience the health improvements that I have had since eliminating all sugars (and grains), except those occurring naturally in vegetables and fruits, are life-changing. Prediabetes, GERD, sleep apnea, depression, BED, chronic fatigue/pain, morbid obesity, and many other problems, all completely gone. Only about 15 pounds left to lose to be in the best shape of my entire life (at over 40!).
So kudos to those that can enjoy their sugar in "moderation" or who can eat as much as they want without ill effect. I couldn't, so I stopped and my life is better off without it. What I'm doing is sustainable for ME and may be worth considering for those with similar health problems (metabolic disorders).0 -
In because it gives me an excuse to post a baby:
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"Robert Lustig is a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of California, San Francisco" so the OP refers to something coming from a member of his backing band ? No bias there then, clearly.
If he is mentioned that is enough for me to lol...
In for the funnies
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I'm not sure how anyone would go about constructing a "causation" study on sugar intake especially if it leads to adverse health consequences
Has been done with 10 and 25% (from memory) of calories from sucrose. Looked at lipid profiles and other "indicators of heart health" rather than retrospectively looking at events like the OP.
Sucrose is "Generally regarded as safe" by the FDA so it isn't like you're doing a Thalidomide trial.0 -
Let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over this.
2000 cals * 1/4 = 500 cals of ADDED sugar.
500 cals /4 cal/gram = 125 grams.
125 grams of sugar = 1/2 cup of sugar, or around 24 teaspoons!
That's a lot... Just saying... Cant' see how anybody can say that's a good thing...
I keep going back to basic maths.
How the heck does someone take in that much added sugar.
Not from fruit or veg, but ADDED sugar.
fizzy drinks - one can of coke is 35g
It really isn't that hard tbh.
And don't forget the "healthy" breakfast meal replacements that come in at over 40 grams of sugar. One of those and a can of pop and a sweetened latte, not to mention the packaged solid foods full of sugar (cereal, cookies, fruit snacks etc).. Seriously, I know people hitting this level of sugar, and higher, every day. Even here at MFP because "it fits in their macros". The default macro setting gives me 250-300 grams of carbs per day! Some people don't track their sugar separately because it "doesn't matter". smh0 -
another article from The Globe and Mail:
"Sugar is the New Tobacco"
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health-advisor/sugar-is-the-new-tobacco-heres-why/article16571374/
A quote from this gem:
"Knowing that there are now more obese people in the world than there are starving must motivate some change. The apple cart is well and truly upset: A predictive study published in 2008 by Harvard and MIT researchers suggests that, if we continue the current numbers trend in North America, it is believed that 100 per cent of the population will be overweight or obese by 2050."
"it is believed?" yeah, that's solid right there.
Sugar is being demonized just like tobacco was/still is. Sorry, for anyone who hates tobacco, but I don't. And I'm incredibly healthy. Just do everything in moderation and the rest is really left up to chance...0 -
"Robert Lustig is a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of California, San Francisco" so the OP refers to something coming from a member of his backing band ? No bias there then, clearly.
If he is mentioned that is enough for me to lol...
to be fair the OP reports an "invited commentary" from one of Lustig's colleagues. The actual study now I've drilled down to it was done by people from Harvard and CDC.0 -
This thread drove me to eating a whole jar of sugar with a spoon. See you in HELLLL!0
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So either: (1) sugar is a causal factor, or (2) cardio-vascular disease causes sugar consumption, or (3) there is some factor not included in the above that causes both.
Which do you think is most likely?
(3). The high sugar consumers are also PUFA addicts and smokers that are permanently drunk or stoned.0 -
I don't know about that particular study and I know there's lots of people here who love their sugar and freak out at any suggestion that it may be harmful.... but..... speaking from only personal experience the health improvements that I have had since eliminating all sugars (and grains), except those occurring naturally in vegetables and fruits, are life-changing. Prediabetes, GERD, sleep apnea, depression, BED, chronic fatigue/pain, morbid obesity, and many other problems, all completely gone. Only about 15 pounds left to lose to be in the best shape of my entire life (at over 40!).
So kudos to those that can enjoy their sugar in "moderation" or who can eat as much as they want without ill effect. I couldn't, so I stopped and my life is better off without it. What I'm doing is sustainable for ME and may be worth considering for those with similar health problems (metabolic disorders).
And none of those improvement have to do with you losing 77lbs? (congrats by the way - great achievement :flowerforyou: )
This is the problem with comments like this - was it the sugar or the additional 77lbs. If reducing added sugar helps you lose weight and meet your goals then great - but please don't claim that it caused all those issues alone. I suspect the 77lb had a little to do with it.0 -
Let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over this.
2000 cals * 1/4 = 500 cals of ADDED sugar.
500 cals /4 cal/gram = 125 grams.
125 grams of sugar = 1/2 cup of sugar, or around 24 teaspoons!
That's a lot... Just saying... Cant' see how anybody can say that's a good thing...
I keep going back to basic maths.
How the heck does someone take in that much added sugar.
Not from fruit or veg, but ADDED sugar.
fizzy drinks - one can of coke is 35g
It really isn't that hard tbh.
And don't forget the "healthy" breakfast meal replacements that come in at over 40 grams of sugar. One of those and a can of pop and a sweetened latte, not to mention the packaged solid foods full of sugar (cereal, cookies, fruit snacks etc).. Seriously, I know people hitting this level of sugar, and higher, every day. Even here at MFP because "it fits in their macros". The default macro setting gives me 250-300 grams of carbs per day! Some people don't track their sugar separately because it "doesn't matter". smh
I don't track sugar because in the context of a healthy balance diet it doesn't matter.0 -
From the JAMA article:Why does everyone who posts these articles believe that correlation equals causation?
So either: (1) sugar is a causal factor, or (2) cardio-vascular disease causes sugar consumption, or (3) there is some factor not included in the above that causes both.After additional adjustment for sociodemographic, behavioral, and clinical characteristics, HRs were 1.00 (reference), 1.07 (1.02-1.12), 1.18 (1.06-1.31), 1.38 (1.11-1.70), and 2.03 (1.26-3.27; P = .004), respectively.
Which do you think is most likely?
Probably 3. They attempted to adjust the results for a few things, but not a whole lot really. The content of the remainder of the diet and body composition are two big ones.
WTH were you when we sent up the jonnythan signal
in a different thread earlier today??
You just made me laugh out loud and I snorted diet coke across the table-and I'm actually at Mcds right now so it's even funnier :laugh:0 -
You just made me laugh out loud and I snorted diet coke across the table-and I'm actually at Mcds right now so it's even funnier :laugh:
heeheehee let's put it to good use, shall we?0 -
Why don't we do our own MFP poll and ask who feels that sugar is making them ill? Based on actual facts, tummy aches, bad skin, headache, insulin sensitivity, mood swings etc.
I'm not saying you only eat the white stuff with a spoon to prove it's not food combinations but I know from personal exclusion testing that added sugar gives me all of the above yet I crave it like my life depends on it.
My life has enhanced in all ways since eliminating sugar from my normal eating regime (I'm not on a diet) I only have the occasional wobble now instead of week long binges and have lost a decent amount of weight so far.
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You can add me to your poll-I eat a decent amount of sugar (added and naturally occurring), and I have none of the above listed symptoms. I feel pretty amazing on a day to day basis :happy: I actually used to have very oily skin, but that went away as I lost weight, even though I did not make any changes in the kinds of food I ate (just quantity). You can see the difference in the 'shine' in my before/after face pictures
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I just bothered to check my nutrition details for the last few weeks and yeah, I didn't even come close to 125 grams of total sugar, never mind added. The worst day was 89 grams.I don't track sugar because in the context of a healthy balance diet it doesn't matter.0 -
I just bothered to check my nutrition details for the last few weeks and yeah, I didn't even come close to 125 grams of total sugar, never mind added. The worst day was 89 grams.I don't track sugar because in the context of a healthy balance diet it doesn't matter.
yep in the past 90 days I've hit it once, and that was a very sad stressful day for me when I just ate a crap tonne of comfort food - and I still only hit 129.0 -
Let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over this.
2000 cals * 1/4 = 500 cals of ADDED sugar.
500 cals /4 cal/gram = 125 grams.
125 grams of sugar = 1/2 cup of sugar, or around 24 teaspoons!
That's a lot... Just saying... Cant' see how anybody can say that's a good thing...
I keep going back to basic maths.
How the heck does someone take in that much added sugar.
Not from fruit or veg, but ADDED sugar.
fizzy drinks - one can of coke is 35g
It really isn't that hard tbh.
And don't forget the "healthy" breakfast meal replacements that come in at over 40 grams of sugar. One of those and a can of pop and a sweetened latte, not to mention the packaged solid foods full of sugar (cereal, cookies, fruit snacks etc).. Seriously, I know people hitting this level of sugar, and higher, every day. Even here at MFP because "it fits in their macros". The default macro setting gives me 250-300 grams of carbs per day! Some people don't track their sugar separately because it "doesn't matter". smh
:huh: My carb number is set to 244-so what? Why is this somehow bad?0 -
I just bothered to check my nutrition details for the last few weeks and yeah, I didn't even come close to 125 grams of total sugar, never mind added. The worst day was 89 grams.I don't track sugar because in the context of a healthy balance diet it doesn't matter.
yep in the past 90 days I've hit it once, and that was a very sad stressful day for me when I just ate a crap tonne of comfort food - and I still only hit 129.
Amateurs. 80-100g is about my average. I'd assume most of that is 'added'. I do not drink soda that has sugar in it. I do eat a lot of cookies.
Here are some especially impressive days. (Also yeah yeah, my micros are out of control. I'm a very interesting mix of all the processed food and all the nutrient dense food. it's a thing)
(Thought to be fair I was like 500 calories over on this day, so I suppose we could not count it)
Anywho. Getting in 100+ grams of sugar is decidedly not hard.0 -
I just bothered to check my nutrition details for the last few weeks and yeah, I didn't even come close to 125 grams of total sugar, never mind added. The worst day was 89 grams.I don't track sugar because in the context of a healthy balance diet it doesn't matter.
yep in the past 90 days I've hit it once, and that was a very sad stressful day for me when I just ate a crap tonne of comfort food - and I still only hit 129.
Amateurs. 80-100g is about my average. I'd assume most of that is 'added'. I do not drink soda that has sugar in it.
Here are some especially impressive days. (Also yeah yeah, my micros are out of control. I'm a very interesting mix of all the processed food and all the nutrient dense food. it's a thing) (Thought to be fair I was like 500 calories over on this day, so I suppose we could not count it)
Show off.0 -
Why don't we do our own MFP poll and ask who feels that sugar is making them ill? Based on actual facts, tummy aches, bad skin, headache, insulin sensitivity, mood swings etc.
I'm not saying you only eat the white stuff with a spoon to prove it's not food combinations but I know from personal exclusion testing that added sugar gives me all of the above yet I crave it like my life depends on it.
My life has enhanced in all ways since eliminating sugar from my normal eating regime (I'm not on a diet) I only have the occasional wobble now instead of week long binges and have lost a decent amount of weight so far.
Edited for type-os
I eat all types of sugar in moderation. I am having hot chocolate and cookies now.
I have never had any of the symptoms you describe. I am healthy and have plenty of energy and I no longer take any prescription meds. I was extremely ill when I was obese and now I am active, healthy and happy.
I was diagnosed with migraines in high school, but I have not had one in over a year.0 -
I just bothered to check my nutrition details for the last few weeks and yeah, I didn't even come close to 125 grams of total sugar, never mind added. The worst day was 89 grams.I don't track sugar because in the context of a healthy balance diet it doesn't matter.
yep in the past 90 days I've hit it once, and that was a very sad stressful day for me when I just ate a crap tonne of comfort food - and I still only hit 129.
Amateurs. 80-100g is about my average. I'd assume most of that is 'added'. I do not drink soda that has sugar in it.
Here are some especially impressive days. (Also yeah yeah, my micros are out of control. I'm a very interesting mix of all the processed food and all the nutrient dense food. it's a thing) (Thought to be fair I was like 500 calories over on this day, so I suppose we could not count it)
Show off.
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Granted, most of this is while bulking so eating significantly over 2000 calories.
However, today 22% of calories came from sugar. I seem to be developing a fondness for candy bars that's displacing my ice cream habit.0 -
Granted, most of this is while bulking so eating significantly over 2000 calories.
However, today 22% of calories came from sugar. I seem to be developing a fondness for candy bars that's displacing my ice cream habit.
If I'm a show off you must be King of my people.
And yet I'm impressed.0
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