So can we put this topic to bed now?

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  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    This is EXACTLY why our life expectancy dropped when we discovered how to refine sugar.

    When did that happen?

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    See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.

    Though I'm pretty sure we were refining sugar before the US was founded
    All Countries life expectancy went up just not the US.........lately though the US's world ranking has dropped from if I remember correctly, 11th place not too many years ago to 42 or around there.......basically not good comparatively speaking.

    Any chance this is caused by obesity from excess consumption > activity?

    No, Jof. We are the only country that eats refined sugar. The rest of the world switched to sucrose about 15 years ago.

    But...


    I mean...


    But that's...


    ...uh...


    Um...



    (Man, I need to get out of the country more often...)
    lol........I found this, it has a little more detail.

    http://www.annualreviews.org/eprint/iESYF775U2MwVfrxfAR2/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-031811-124649

    Interesting hypotheses of causality. Sounds almost political even.
    Yeah, that must be it.

    Meh, I'm not that vested in the debate. I'm mostly interested in my n=1 and n=6 studies...and so far, we're all in remarkably good health, t=9 through 45 years. *shrug*
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,224 Member
    This is EXACTLY why our life expectancy dropped when we discovered how to refine sugar.

    When did that happen?

    image1_7.png

    See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.

    Though I'm pretty sure we were refining sugar before the US was founded
    All Countries life expectancy went up just not the US.........lately though the US's world ranking has dropped from if I remember correctly, 11th place not too many years ago to 42 or around there.......basically not good comparatively speaking.

    Any chance this is caused by obesity from excess consumption > activity?

    No, Jof. We are the only country that eats refined sugar. The rest of the world switched to sucrose about 15 years ago.

    But...


    I mean...


    But that's...


    ...uh...


    Um...



    (Man, I need to get out of the country more often...)
    lol........I found this, it has a little more detail.

    http://www.annualreviews.org/eprint/iESYF775U2MwVfrxfAR2/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-031811-124649

    Interesting hypotheses of causality. Sounds almost political even.
    Yeah, that must be it.

    Meh, I'm not that vested in the debate. I'm mostly interested in my n=1 and n=6 studies...and so far, we're all in remarkably good health, t=9 through 45 years. *shrug*
    Me neither. I was just trying to dilute the sugar rush.
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    This is EXACTLY why our life expectancy dropped when we discovered how to refine sugar.

    When did that happen?

    image1_7.png

    See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.

    Though I'm pretty sure we were refining sugar before the US was founded
    All Countries life expectancy went up just not the US.........lately though the US's world ranking has dropped from if I remember correctly, 11th place not too many years ago to 42 or around there.......basically not good comparatively speaking.

    Any chance this is caused by obesity from excess consumption > activity?

    No, Jof. We are the only country that eats refined sugar. The rest of the world switched to sucrose about 15 years ago.

    But...


    I mean...


    But that's...


    ...uh...


    Um...



    (Man, I need to get out of the country more often...)
    lol........I found this, it has a little more detail.

    http://www.annualreviews.org/eprint/iESYF775U2MwVfrxfAR2/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-031811-124649

    Interesting hypotheses of causality. Sounds almost political even.
    Yeah, that must be it.

    Meh, I'm not that vested in the debate. I'm mostly interested in my n=1 and n=6 studies...and so far, we're all in remarkably good health, t=9 through 45 years. *shrug*
    I find it especially interesting that the anti-sugar brigade tends to be almost exclusively people who have a lot of excess weight to lose and are telling the successful people how they're doing it all wrong.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,422 Member
    I thought we put this to bed eight hours ago.


    Get back in your bed. There are no monsters.



    also. in. against my earlier better judgment, it is now worth following.
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
    People with a firm sense of moral superiority live, on average, an additional one point three two lifetimes-worth of self-satisfaction compared to a 'normal person,' ceteris paribus.
  • Hauntinglyfit
    Hauntinglyfit Posts: 5,537 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)

    Maybe your daughter stays a size 2 because she knows how much it means to mommy dearest.
  • nz_deevaa
    nz_deevaa Posts: 12,209 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)

    Maybe your daughter stays a size 2 because she knows how much it means to mommy dearest.

    My kid is 16. He eats all foods. Not even in moderation.

    He also has never had a weight problem.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,422 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)

    Maybe your daughter stays a size 2 because she knows how much it means to mommy dearest.

    My kid is 16. He eats all foods. Not even in moderation.

    He also has never had a weight problem.

    But his teeth? Does he have any teeth?


    Of course he does, he's a super handsome and intelligent young man. I've seen pics.
  • nz_deevaa
    nz_deevaa Posts: 12,209 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)

    Maybe your daughter stays a size 2 because she knows how much it means to mommy dearest.

    My kid is 16. He eats all foods. Not even in moderation.

    He also has never had a weight problem.

    But his teeth? Does he have any teeth?


    Of course he does, he's a super handsome and intelligent young man. I've seen pics.

    He's alright.

    I suppose.
  • Hauntinglyfit
    Hauntinglyfit Posts: 5,537 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)

    Maybe your daughter stays a size 2 because she knows how much it means to mommy dearest.

    My kid is 16. He eats all foods. Not even in moderation.

    He also has never had a weight problem.

    But his teeth? Does he have any teeth?


    Of course he does, he's a super handsome and intelligent young man. I've seen pics.

    He's alright.

    I suppose.

    He's alright, alright! 2 more years and i'll stop feeling like a creep.
    I don't like the cone of shame.:embarassed:
  • nz_deevaa
    nz_deevaa Posts: 12,209 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)

    Maybe your daughter stays a size 2 because she knows how much it means to mommy dearest.

    My kid is 16. He eats all foods. Not even in moderation.

    He also has never had a weight problem.

    But his teeth? Does he have any teeth?


    Of course he does, he's a super handsome and intelligent young man. I've seen pics.

    He's alright.

    I suppose.

    He's alright, alright! 2 more years and i'll stop feeling like a creep.
    I don't like the cone of shame.:embarassed:

    *looks about awkwardly*
  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
    He's alright, alright! 2 more years and i'll stop feeling like a creep.
    I don't like the cone of shame.:embarassed:

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  • MiloBloom83
    MiloBloom83 Posts: 2,724 Member
    Sugar. Nature's meth.:ohwell:
  • _errata_
    _errata_ Posts: 1,653 Member
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  • DamePiglet
    DamePiglet Posts: 3,730 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. He teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)


    ...


    I can't even start with this

    Because.....? If sugar was just found today and had to go through all the FDA approvals, it would fail. It is very bad for all of us.

    :noway:

    This is why we can't have nice things.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Skimmed through the responses so may have missed it, but did anyone link the study that apparently purports to show this causality?

    Also, the article does not say what the OP or even its own title is even saying.

    For example "But the Canadian Sugar Institute said the scientific consensus is that “there is no evidence of harm attributed to current sugar consumption levels. Dietary advice must be based on the totality of evidence, not single studies suggesting an association between individual dietary factors and disease.”
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    This is EXACTLY why our life expectancy dropped when we discovered how to refine sugar.

    When did that happen?

    image1_7.png

    See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.

    Though I'm pretty sure we were refining sugar before the US was founded
    All Countries life expectancy went up just not the US.........lately though the US's world ranking has dropped from if I remember correctly, 11th place not too many years ago to 42 or around there.......basically not good comparatively speaking.

    Any chance this is caused by obesity from excess consumption > activity?
    I don't live in the States but I found this. It's not from sugar though.

    http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13497

    Interesting read. Did a search for sugar - did not come up once =). However, automobiles did - either directly or indirectly.
  • nonafit
    nonafit Posts: 582 Member
    What I learnt from this is

    :yawn: ...people just like to argue for the sake of arguing....please continue...I am reading :flowerforyou:
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,224 Member
    Skimmed through the responses so may have missed it, but did anyone link the study that apparently purports to show this causality?

    Also, the article does not say what the OP or even its own title is even saying.

    For example "But the Canadian Sugar Institute said the scientific consensus is that “there is no evidence of harm attributed to current sugar consumption levels. Dietary advice must be based on the totality of evidence, not single studies suggesting an association between individual dietary factors and disease.”
    Yes I saw that, which is true. Studies never show causality for single ingredients, but more toward lifestyle and declining health markers in certain populations and not in individuals.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,224 Member
    This is EXACTLY why our life expectancy dropped when we discovered how to refine sugar.

    When did that happen?

    image1_7.png

    See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.

    Though I'm pretty sure we were refining sugar before the US was founded
    All Countries life expectancy went up just not the US.........lately though the US's world ranking has dropped from if I remember correctly, 11th place not too many years ago to 42 or around there.......basically not good comparatively speaking.

    Any chance this is caused by obesity from excess consumption > activity?
    I don't live in the States but I found this. It's not from sugar though.

    http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13497

    Interesting read. Did a search for sugar - did not come up once =). However, automobiles did - either directly or indirectly.
    That link had nothing to do with sugar, it was a counter point to the fact that Americans life expectancy has gone up since 1900. It kinda seemed like everything is good, look, we live longer.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    This is EXACTLY why our life expectancy dropped when we discovered how to refine sugar.

    When did that happen?

    image1_7.png

    See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.

    Though I'm pretty sure we were refining sugar before the US was founded
    All Countries life expectancy went up just not the US.........lately though the US's world ranking has dropped from if I remember correctly, 11th place not too many years ago to 42 or around there.......basically not good comparatively speaking.

    Any chance this is caused by obesity from excess consumption > activity?
    I don't live in the States but I found this. It's not from sugar though.

    http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13497

    Interesting read. Did a search for sugar - did not come up once =). However, automobiles did - either directly or indirectly.
    That link had nothing to do with sugar, it was a counter point to the fact that Americans life expectancy has gone up since 1900. It kinda seemed like everything is good, look, we live longer.

    Oh, my comment about sugar was not directed at you as I know you would have looked at it. As I say, it was interesting - it also shows that you cannot look at a single statistic out of context.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,224 Member
    This is EXACTLY why our life expectancy dropped when we discovered how to refine sugar.

    When did that happen?

    image1_7.png

    See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.

    Though I'm pretty sure we were refining sugar before the US was founded
    All Countries life expectancy went up just not the US.........lately though the US's world ranking has dropped from if I remember correctly, 11th place not too many years ago to 42 or around there.......basically not good comparatively speaking.

    Any chance this is caused by obesity from excess consumption > activity?
    I don't live in the States but I found this. It's not from sugar though.

    http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13497

    Interesting read. Did a search for sugar - did not come up once =). However, automobiles did - either directly or indirectly.
    That link had nothing to do with sugar, it was a counter point to the fact that Americans life expectancy has gone up since 1900. It kinda seemed like everything is good, look, we live longer.

    Oh, my comment about sugar was not directed at you as I know you would have looked at it. As I say, it was interesting - it also shows that you cannot look at a single statistic out of context.
    Exactly. People seem to get their dander up when sugar is involved.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Skimmed through the responses so may have missed it, but did anyone link the study that apparently purports to show this causality?

    Also, the article does not say what the OP or even its own title is even saying.

    For example "But the Canadian Sugar Institute said the scientific consensus is that “there is no evidence of harm attributed to current sugar consumption levels. Dietary advice must be based on the totality of evidence, not single studies suggesting an association between individual dietary factors and disease.”
    Yes I saw that, which is true. Studies never show causality for single ingredients, but more toward lifestyle and declining health markers in certain populations and not in individuals.

    Yep. But yet, people are always trying to interpolate them into finding a single cause and making out a single food (like sugar) to be the bogeyman rather than looking at the picture more holistically.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,224 Member
    Skimmed through the responses so may have missed it, but did anyone link the study that apparently purports to show this causality?

    Also, the article does not say what the OP or even its own title is even saying.

    For example "But the Canadian Sugar Institute said the scientific consensus is that “there is no evidence of harm attributed to current sugar consumption levels. Dietary advice must be based on the totality of evidence, not single studies suggesting an association between individual dietary factors and disease.”
    Yes I saw that, which is true. Studies never show causality for single ingredients, but more toward lifestyle and declining health markers in certain populations and not in individuals.

    Yep. But yet, people are always trying to interpolate them into finding a single cause and making out a single food (like sugar) to be the bogeyman rather than looking at the picture more holistically.
    Stress is the new tobacco. And BTW thanks for the new word "interpolate" lol , never heard that before....I must be dumb.
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    Skimmed through the responses so may have missed it, but did anyone link the study that apparently purports to show this causality?

    Also, the article does not say what the OP or even its own title is even saying.

    For example "But the Canadian Sugar Institute said the scientific consensus is that “there is no evidence of harm attributed to current sugar consumption levels. Dietary advice must be based on the totality of evidence, not single studies suggesting an association between individual dietary factors and disease.”
    Yes I saw that, which is true. Studies never show causality for single ingredients, but more toward lifestyle and declining health markers in certain populations and not in individuals.

    Yep. But yet, people are always trying to interpolate them into finding a single cause and making out a single food (like sugar) to be the bogeyman rather than looking at the picture more holistically.
    Stress is the new tobacco.
    So do I get a 10 minute stress break to go outside every hour? I would be totally down with that. I mean, not now 'cause cold. But definitely in the spring.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    Yep. But yet, people are always trying to interpolate them into finding a single cause and making out a single food (like sugar) to be the bogeyman rather than looking at the picture more holistically.

    People want a bogeyman more than they want truth.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    Modus omnibus in rebus, soror, optimum est habitu;
    Nimia omnia nimium exhibent negotium hominibus ex se.

    In everything the middle course is best: all things in excess bring trouble to men.

    ~Plautus, Pænulus, I. 2. 29.

    Good advice for 200BC, still good advice...

    this ^^^^


    Although I'll trump you The Buddha teaching "The Middle Way" circa 500BC
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,224 Member
    Yep. But yet, people are always trying to interpolate them into finding a single cause and making out a single food (like sugar) to be the bogeyman rather than looking at the picture more holistically.

    People want a bogeyman more than they want truth.
    Of course they do, it allows them to shift blame or to add fuel to their subconsciousness that see's the world in black or white.
  • Cadori
    Cadori Posts: 4,810 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)

    Maman? Eest que vous?
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,286 Member
    My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)

    I think your attitude is too extreme - I agree with the teacher.

    Yes, too much sugar is bad for both weight control and dental care - I don't think anyone is arguing with that.

    But an occasional cupcake is not going to make anyone overweight or rot their teeth (if they have good toothbrushing habits and an otherwise balanced diet)

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