RMR Test Results- Very Very Surprised
scottYBRIDGEWATER
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Background:
SW 11/01/2013 265lbs
12/31/2013 220lbs
CW 02/09/2014 217lbs
Dropped 40 plus in a couple of months. Stagnated/increased for a few weeks in January. Started working with a Body Builder/Nutrionalist 2 weeks ago. Started carb/calorie cycling and upping both. Weight loss resumed. After doing some research and reading here, I was concerned about slowed metabolism or metabolic damage. In order to lose the weight in the first couple of months, I was well below 1200 calories. Most days I was 700-900 calories and some days zero calories when I fasted, frequently. My estimated RMR was anywhere from 1800-2000 depending on the calculator used. So I had some pretty aggressive deficits and became concerned with a metabolic slowdown. Decided to get an RMR test to get more accurate RMR/BMR and TDEE numbers so I could re-assess and try to get off another 10-20lbs. Test came back today and I was expecting the bad news. I was shocked:
RMR was about 2300!
That is about 10%-25% HIGHER than the estimates. Chest and biceps are up and waist is down. So LBM is way up and fat is way down. I was gonna up the calories today to celebrate and take the weight off slower. Screw that! I am so jacked and pumped I am going to do a 36 hour fast and squeeze off a few more pounds and restrict calories this week to get off as much as possible. I find that whenever I fast, I set a new lower weight baseline that makes it easier to take the weight down. Another week of sacrifice aint no biggie. I can do another week of a couple grilled chicken caesar salads and water per day. Next week the Bodybuilder will come up with new higher numbers to cycle up the calories and carbs. I'm gonna guess he'll want to take up the low end and high end UP by 100-200 calories per day. Light at the end of the tunnel. Goal weight is in the single digits.
SW 11/01/2013 265lbs
12/31/2013 220lbs
CW 02/09/2014 217lbs
Dropped 40 plus in a couple of months. Stagnated/increased for a few weeks in January. Started working with a Body Builder/Nutrionalist 2 weeks ago. Started carb/calorie cycling and upping both. Weight loss resumed. After doing some research and reading here, I was concerned about slowed metabolism or metabolic damage. In order to lose the weight in the first couple of months, I was well below 1200 calories. Most days I was 700-900 calories and some days zero calories when I fasted, frequently. My estimated RMR was anywhere from 1800-2000 depending on the calculator used. So I had some pretty aggressive deficits and became concerned with a metabolic slowdown. Decided to get an RMR test to get more accurate RMR/BMR and TDEE numbers so I could re-assess and try to get off another 10-20lbs. Test came back today and I was expecting the bad news. I was shocked:
RMR was about 2300!
That is about 10%-25% HIGHER than the estimates. Chest and biceps are up and waist is down. So LBM is way up and fat is way down. I was gonna up the calories today to celebrate and take the weight off slower. Screw that! I am so jacked and pumped I am going to do a 36 hour fast and squeeze off a few more pounds and restrict calories this week to get off as much as possible. I find that whenever I fast, I set a new lower weight baseline that makes it easier to take the weight down. Another week of sacrifice aint no biggie. I can do another week of a couple grilled chicken caesar salads and water per day. Next week the Bodybuilder will come up with new higher numbers to cycle up the calories and carbs. I'm gonna guess he'll want to take up the low end and high end UP by 100-200 calories per day. Light at the end of the tunnel. Goal weight is in the single digits.
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Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Seems legit.0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yeah.....ummmm....yeah.....
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Okay, have fun when you get to goal weight and hate that you have no muscle left.0
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To clarify. I am taking my calories down THIS WEEK. Not forever. THIS WEEK. And then I will bring them up gradually again NEXT WEEK. You get it now????0
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Well, if you've already committed to Doing It Wrong, I guess you might as well do it all the way wrong. :noway:0
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Okay, have fun when you get to goal weight and hate that you have no muscle left.
Huh? My chest, biceps, and back are up. My waist is down. Body flab is down, weight is down, and strength is up. Why would you think muscle would go down. I still have plenty of fat stores to burn before I would start burning muscle........0 -
Well, you are 8 pounds away from goal weight according to ticker. Are you raising your calories to a 10% calorie deficit? Or you are just raising them to a higher but still too aggressive deficit?0
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Well, if you've already committed to Doing It Wrong, I guess you might as well do it all the way wrong. :noway:
I am actually doing it right. I would be interested in hearing what is "wrong"?0 -
Excellent, OP. You always have the most reasonable answers to things.
Keep being you.0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.
I fail to see the logic with this approach0 -
Well, you are 8 pounds away from goal weight according to ticker. Are you raising your calories to a 10% calorie deficit? Or you are just raising them to a higher but still too aggressive deficit?
No. The Body builder does not want an immediate and drastic caloric increase. He wants to reset them gradually each week. He calls it a "reverse diet". I am alternating 1300/1700 right now. Probably 1400/1800 per day next week. That still gives me a good deficit where I can hit my goal weight fairly fast and maybe set a new goal of 199. 209 is a big milestone for me, so I am leary of bringing up the calories too quick or all at once. I can be more patient shooting for 199. Once I hit 209, I would like to stay close to my TDEE number and maybe deficit on alternating days. I am not going to be as aggressive as I was in the past.0 -
Excellent, OP. You always have the most reasonable answers to things.
Keep being you.
Right back at you. And keep bringing your insights to things....0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.
I fail to see the logic with this approach
I have found that in the past when I do a fast, it initiates faster weight loss and seems to eliminate plateaus.0 -
Well, you are 8 pounds away from goal weight according to ticker. Are you raising your calories to a 10% calorie deficit? Or you are just raising them to a higher but still too aggressive deficit?
No. The Body builder does not want an immediate and drastic caloric increase. He wants to reset them gradually each week. I am alternating 1300/1700 right now. Probably 1400/1800 per day next week. That still gives me a good deficit where I can hit my goal weight fairly fast and maybe set a new goal of 199. 209 is a big milestone for me, so I am leary of bringing up the calories too quick or all at once. I can be more patient shooting for 199.
Understandable that you don't want to bring them up too quickly. 1800 is still going to be more than a pound a week loss. Still very aggressive. This is a body builder who is making these recommendations and he hasn't been concerned about loss of LBM, with a rate of 4 pounds a week loss?0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.
I fail to see the logic with this approach
I have found that in the past when I do a fast, it initiates faster weight loss and seems to eliminate plateaus.
lol
ok - do what you want0 -
Still doing it wrong. :ohwell:0
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Well, you are 8 pounds away from goal weight according to ticker. Are you raising your calories to a 10% calorie deficit? Or you are just raising them to a higher but still too aggressive deficit?
No. The Body builder does not want an immediate and drastic caloric increase. He wants to reset them gradually each week. I am alternating 1300/1700 right now. Probably 1400/1800 per day next week. That still gives me a good deficit where I can hit my goal weight fairly fast and maybe set a new goal of 199. 209 is a big milestone for me, so I am leary of bringing up the calories too quick or all at once. I can be more patient shooting for 199.
Understandable that you don't want to bring them up too quickly. 1800 is still going to be more than a pound a week loss. Still very aggressive. This is a body builder who is making these recommendations and he hasn't been concerned about loss of LBM, with a rate of 4 pounds a week loss?
No. Here is the thing about losing LBM, that he explained to me. Yes, if you are Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman, or Phil Heath, you have to worry about balancing weight loss versus LBM when you are cutting for Mr Olympia. But guess what? I aint them. I and 99% of the people on this site are not elite athletes with a 3-10% body fat. I and most people here have significant stores of body fat in spite of my weight loss. You will burn fat before you burn muscle if you have fat stores. I may write more in depth about this. It is one of the mantras that people on this site get wrong. Most of us are too fat to burn muscle in any significant amounts.0 -
Still doing it wrong. :ohwell:
Still talking out of your backside....0 -
Well, you are 8 pounds away from goal weight according to ticker. Are you raising your calories to a 10% calorie deficit? Or you are just raising them to a higher but still too aggressive deficit?
No. The Body builder does not want an immediate and drastic caloric increase. He wants to reset them gradually each week. I am alternating 1300/1700 right now. Probably 1400/1800 per day next week. That still gives me a good deficit where I can hit my goal weight fairly fast and maybe set a new goal of 199. 209 is a big milestone for me, so I am leary of bringing up the calories too quick or all at once. I can be more patient shooting for 199.
Understandable that you don't want to bring them up too quickly. 1800 is still going to be more than a pound a week loss. Still very aggressive. This is a body builder who is making these recommendations and he hasn't been concerned about loss of LBM, with a rate of 4 pounds a week loss?
No. Here is the thing about losing LBM, that he explained to me. Yes, if you are Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman, or Phil Heath, you have to worry about balancing weight loss versus LBM when you are cutting for Mr Olympia. But guess what? I aint them. I and 99% of the people on this site are not elite athletes with a 3-10% body fat. I and most people here have significant stores of body fat in spite of my weight loss. You will burn fat before you burn muscle if you have fat stores. I may write more in depth about this. It is one of the mantras that people on this site get wrong. Most of us are too fat to burn muscle in any significant amounts.
Studies on this, please.0 -
Well, you are 8 pounds away from goal weight according to ticker. Are you raising your calories to a 10% calorie deficit? Or you are just raising them to a higher but still too aggressive deficit?
No. The Body builder does not want an immediate and drastic caloric increase. He wants to reset them gradually each week. I am alternating 1300/1700 right now. Probably 1400/1800 per day next week. That still gives me a good deficit where I can hit my goal weight fairly fast and maybe set a new goal of 199. 209 is a big milestone for me, so I am leary of bringing up the calories too quick or all at once. I can be more patient shooting for 199.
Understandable that you don't want to bring them up too quickly. 1800 is still going to be more than a pound a week loss. Still very aggressive. This is a body builder who is making these recommendations and he hasn't been concerned about loss of LBM, with a rate of 4 pounds a week loss?
No. Here is the thing about losing LBM, that he explained to me. Yes, if you are Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman, or Phil Heath, you have to worry about balancing weight loss versus LBM when you are cutting for Mr Olympia. But guess what? I aint them. I and 99% of the people on this site are not elite athletes with a 3-10% body fat. I and most people here have significant stores of body fat in spite of my weight loss. You will burn fat before you burn muscle if you have fat stores. I may write more in depth about this. It is one of the mantras that people on this site get wrong. Most of us are too fat to burn muscle in any significant amounts.
Studies on this, please.
If I gave you articles and studies on it, would it matter??? If it would, I would certainly discuss the matter with my trainer and give you the feedback, and science on it. But if your mind is closed to the idea, then it would be pointless. Part of the problem with this site, is that there is a lot of "group think" that goes on. People rally around certain concepts and reject anything that falls outside the box with smarky comments and then they move on there merry way. I see a lot of logic in going to a car mechanic when I have a problem with my car. I see a lot of logic in consulting with a Body Builder about diet, nutrition, and strength training. Rather than people who seem more consumed with eating to their TDEE than actually losing weight.0 -
You are correct. In the Real World, I've talked to a couple of trainers about this and they said the exact same thing. You can't lose LBM (other than water) at typical BF%. The body always favours losing fat first.If I gave you articles and studies on it, would it matter??? If it would, I would certainly discuss the matter with my trainer and give you the feedback, and science on it. But if your mind is closed to the idea, then it would be pointless. Part of the problem with this site, is that there is a lot of "group think" that goes on. People rally around certain concepts and reject anything that falls outside the box with smarky comments and then they move on there merry way. I see a lot of logic in going to a car mechanic when I have a problem with my car. I see a lot of logic in consulting with a Body Builder about diet, nutrition, and strength training. Rather than people who seem more consumed with eating to their TDEE than actually losing weight.0 -
You are correct. In the Real World, I've talked to a couple of trainers about this and they said the exact same thing. You can't lose LBM (other than water) at typical BF%. The body always favours losing fat first.If I gave you articles and studies on it, would it matter??? If it would, I would certainly discuss the matter with my trainer and give you the feedback, and science on it. But if your mind is closed to the idea, then it would be pointless. Part of the problem with this site, is that there is a lot of "group think" that goes on. People rally around certain concepts and reject anything that falls outside the box with smarky comments and then they move on there merry way. I see a lot of logic in going to a car mechanic when I have a problem with my car. I see a lot of logic in consulting with a Body Builder about diet, nutrition, and strength training. Rather than people who seem more consumed with eating to their TDEE than actually losing weight.
Thank you. I did not actually think that this was ground breaking new. Its is fairly well known by almost anyone who engages in serious weight training or has ever picked up a copy of Flex or Muscular Development. But I will cite some articles for the naysayers and then they can ignore it and crack some one liners while they fantasize about their next snicker bar. So much of the "conventional wisdom" on this site is just so wrong. You need to be an elite athlete with a very low BF% to begin with (marathon runners BBs) to be concerned with burning LBM as opposed to fat stores that have served humankind through our evolutonary journey.0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.
I use a different approach to whacking off the pounds.0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.
I use a different approach to whacking off the pounds.
I just threw up in my mouth.................0 -
I would love to see studies on this too.
Everything I've seen suggests you do get muscle loss.
But that's generally been in regards to, how the amount protein affects the AMOUNT of muscle loss.
For the OP:
Had you done weights the day before?
I've tested my RMR (have my own setup) the day after a weights session and it came out decent high - 2400 when I was maybe 175lb (something like that anyway). That was congruent with the amount I was eating and that I was merely maintaining despite eating a good lot of calories.0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.
I use a different approach to whacking off the pounds.
I just threw up in my mouth.................
um, scotty, those were YOUR words she used.0 -
Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.
I use a different approach to whacking off the pounds.
I just threw up in my mouth.................
um, scotty, those were YOUR words she used.
I was talking about Spin classes.
Sheesh.0 -
I would love to see studies on this too.
Everything I've seen suggests you do get muscle loss.
But that's generally been in regards to, how the amount protein affects the AMOUNT of muscle loss.
For the OP:
Had you done weights the day before?
I've tested my RMR (have my own setup) the day after a weights session and it came out decent high - 2400 when I was maybe 175lb (something like that anyway). That was congruent with the amount I was eating and that I was merely maintaining despite eating a good lot of calories.
I'll post a few articles on this muscle loss issue.
- I started with weights in 1981. That was when I was told by the "experts" that I would get "muscle bound" and "unflexible". The exact opposite happened.
- I did weights in the 1990s when the "experts" said that you had to do cardio and not weights to lose weight. Weight training would add "bulk". The exact opposite happened
_ I did weights in the 2000s when the "experts" said that cardio and not weights will make you lean. The exact opposite happened.
Got away from them as I got older/hurt. Back on them training Dorian Yates HIT style.
I did not do an RMR test before starting. But I am certain based on my past weight and past caloric intake that it had to have been substantially lower than now. And the rapid weight loss coincides with not just caloric deficits, but a significant boost to my metabolism thru weight training. The "experts" would have you believe that my caloric deficits should have caused a significant slowing of my metabolism. That did not happen. The opposite appears to have occurred. So much for the experts....0
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