RMR Test Results- Very Very Surprised
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Let me get this straight.
You estimated a rough TDEE/BMR. Decided to eat below these.
You then had your RMR professionally measured, discovered it was much higher than you anticipated, and are now going to eat even less than you were before.
Yep, for this week. I would like to get 2-4 more lbs off this week. And then I'll bring up the calories next week. I'm NOT going to go out and have a pie to celebrate. I'd rather whack off a couple more pounds this week and re-set the calories next week.
I use a different approach to whacking off the pounds.
I just threw up in my mouth.................
um, scotty, those were YOUR words she used.
Different context i would imagine.0 -
Which experts?The "experts" would have you believe that my caloric deficits should have caused a significant slowing of my metabolism. That did not happen. The opposite appears to have occurred. So much for the experts....
Are these experts basing their information on actual research?
All the research I've read suggests it takes a bit of time to get your metabolism down.
Here's one to show that, especially if protein levels are not kept up, you WILL lose muscle -
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/dietary-protein-increases-lean-mass/
(It links to an abstract of the actual study, got a feeling you can get it for free somewhere.)
Again; when you had your RMR tested, had you done weights the day before?
What about within 48 hours?0 -
Which experts?The "experts" would have you believe that my caloric deficits should have caused a significant slowing of my metabolism. That did not happen. The opposite appears to have occurred. So much for the experts....
Are these experts basing their information on actual research?
All the research I've read suggests it takes a bit of time to get your metabolism down.
Here's one to show that, especially if protein levels are not kept up, you WILL lose muscle -
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/dietary-protein-increases-lean-mass/
(It links to an abstract of the actual study, got a feeling you can get it for free somewhere.)
Again; when you had your RMR tested, had you done weights the day before?
What about within 48 hours?
The "experts" were those of that era that I mentioned. Mainly in the diet and fitness era of those times. I have no idea what they based their "conventional wisdom" or psedo science on. I just knew it was bull sheet. I know I did not listen to it and looked toward Zane, Haney, and Yates for strength training and nutritional advice. I liked the guys that actually lived the life and not just talked about it. Or wrote a paper or study that was later discredited by another paper or study.
I had not done weights or cardio within 48 hours
I had the test at 10:00 AM and last ate or drank at 8:00 pm the prior night
I had no water, coffee, medication.
I was relaxed0 -
Which experts?The "experts" would have you believe that my caloric deficits should have caused a significant slowing of my metabolism. That did not happen. The opposite appears to have occurred. So much for the experts....
Are these experts basing their information on actual research?
All the research I've read suggests it takes a bit of time to get your metabolism down.
Here's one to show that, especially if protein levels are not kept up, you WILL lose muscle -
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/dietary-protein-increases-lean-mass/
(It links to an abstract of the actual study, got a feeling you can get it for free somewhere.)
Again; when you had your RMR tested, had you done weights the day before?
What about within 48 hours?
I don't see anything in the article that addresses my point? I was discounting the notion that people with high levels of BF% will somehow burn significant amounts of muscle tissue as opposed to fat when they significantly restrict calories and are in a deficit. They will always tend to burn fat before muscle. Do you want a study to show this or are we on the same page? I will agree that muscle loss may occur with elite athletes and not the average fatty posting here. For example:
Dorian Yates in the offseason would consume up to 7000 calories per day. He would weigh around 285 pounds. 12-16 weeks out from the Olympia he would cut down to 3000 calories as would aim to come in to contest at 255 pounds grainy and shredded. He was shooting for a 3-5% BF percentage when he hit the stage. Now for him, it would be a balancing act between definition versus losing some muscle mass. A REAL issue for someone in his position. Which is why he wouldn't aim for 250,245,or 240 with more definition. He would sacrifice muscle mass. But this is a guy who is at 10-15% BF "offseason" at 285-300lbs. Is that you or me? Or 99.99% of the people here? No. The people here are at 25,30,35 or higher BF%. At that BF they are in no danger of losing significant muscle mass. They will burn their fat stores first and foremost. Until there BF percentage is much lower. WE ARE TOO FAT AND NOT IN DANGER OF LOSING SIGNIFICANT MUSCLE MASS. People on this site make several really bad assumptions:
1- They think they actually have (and can build) more muscle than they actually do.
2- They believe they can lose that LIMITED muscle (rather than their PLENTIFUL fat stores) much quicker than they actually can thru caloric deficit
And they tend to look for any excuse to "eat more to lose more". Or to "eat back their calories".
Most people here eat too much. period.0 -
Ah, MFP. Home of the arm chair nutritionists, most of whom are scared to death of a starvation response that hasn't ever been noticeably measured in healthy humans.
Keep truckin, OP. Good luck!0 -
Ah, MFP. Home of the arm chair nutritionists, most of whom are scared to death of a starvation response that hasn't ever been noticeably measured in healthy humans.
Keep truckin, OP. Good luck!
Well, there needs to be at least one person on this forum who aint drinking the Koolaid and gives a different perspective. People have got to stop overestimating their RMR, BMR, TDEE and activity levels. Its a cluster bleep of people looking at every excuse to eat more and more and more. And an endless line of enablers who want to feed them the same BS that "you aren't nearly eating enough". Really? Doesn't seem that way to me. Quite the opposite. People eating way too much and not willing to create some pain to get in shape. Thats what it takes. So keep eating all of your favorites foods and lose a pound a month until you have the next never ending "setback" and create another excuse to over eat. They will have plenty of friends for the ride....0 -
Balancing Weight Loss versus LBM. This is a problem NOBODY here has....................0 -
Weight loss without losing muscle mass in pre-obese and obese subjects induced by a high-soy-protein diet. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15303108
Overweight and obese people! Calorie deficits without severe calorie restrictions! Still losing muscle mass while losing fat! Protein and exercise playing a role in preserving muscle mass! Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
Edit to add: Off to do my workout now, so won't be responding back immediately. Sorry.0 -
What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?0 -
What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?0 -
I don't even get what the point of your post was, OP.
"I tested my RMR and it was higher than I thought so I'm gonna eat less"
Cool story, bro.
Anything is possible when you try hard and believe in your dreams, opie.0 -
Just got back from a quick 200 calorie burn on the Tmill. That was my second of the day. Oh and today was an off day for me. This completed hour 26 of my fast. I am going to take the fast longer and break it for lunch tomorrow. That will give my a nice 40 hour fast. I'll do 3 Weight training days with 400 calorie cardio burns. And 3 days of cardio with 600 calorie burns. I think I will do a protein shake and 2 grilled chicken caesar salads for each day of the week. That will be 900 calories of food per day. Counting excercise that will be at least 2000 calorie deficits per day and 14,000 for the week. That should be a 4 pound weight loss for the week. Hmmmm. Sounds intriguing!!! I just hope I don't go into starvation mode and lose all that lean body mass! LOL. Either that or I could always "eat more to lose more"...................0
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I don't even get what the point of your post was, OP.
"I tested my RMR and it was higher than I thought so I'm gonna eat less"
Cool story, bro.
Anything is possible when you try hard and believe in your dreams, opie.
No. Here's a couple of the points:
1- That metabolic damage/slowdown and aggressive deficit calorie reduction do not necessarily go hand in hand.
2- If you want to lose lots of weight quick;y.- Eat less, not more. Controversial, I know......0 -
What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?
U mad bro?
I got it. You still don't.
Enjoy your preaching. It usually goes pretty well for people who start out like this on these forums. I'm looking forward to your educating us.
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What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?
The study I cited above says differently. Overweight and obese people lost both body fat and muscle mass while in a calorie deficit. Their bodies did not burn through all the fat before burning through the muscle.
Here's study about elite athletes and how rates of weight loss impact lean body mass and performance during weight loss. TL;DR - the slower losers have the edge
Effect of two different weight-loss rates on body composition and strength and power-related performance in elite athletes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/215585710 -
What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?
The study I cited above says differently. Overweight and obese people lost both body fat and muscle mass while in a calorie deficit. Their bodies did not burn through all the fat before burning through the muscle.
Here's study about elite athletes and how rates of weight loss impact lean body mass and performance during weight loss. TL;DR - the slower losers have the edge
Effect of two different weight-loss rates on body composition and strength and power-related performance in elite athletes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21558571
Weight loss without losing muscle mass in pre-obese and obese subjects induced by a high-soy-protein diet.
CONCLUSIONS:
Our data suggest that a high-soy-protein and low-fat diet can improve the body composition in overweight and obese people, losing fat but preserving muscle mass.
Where is the massive LBM loss of the subjects due to caloric deficit in the test and control groups???0 -
Just got back from a quick 200 calorie burn on the Tmill. That was my second of the day. Oh and today was an off day for me. This completed hour 26 of my fast. I am going to take the fast longer and break it for lunch tomorrow. That will give my a nice 40 hour fast. I'll do 3 Weight training days with 400 calorie cardio burns. And 3 days of cardio with 600 calorie burns. I think I will do a protein shake and 2 grilled chicken caesar salads for each day of the week. That will be 900 calories of food per day. Counting excercise that will be at least 2000 calorie deficits per day and 14,000 for the week. That should be a 4 pound weight loss for the week. Hmmmm. Sounds intriguing!!! I just hope I don't go into starvation mode and lose all that lean body mass! LOL. Either that or I could always "eat more to lose more"...................
No offence dude, but that sounds miserable.
I had six Hershey's Kisses with my morning cup of tea, then did my p90x3 workout, ate half a cup of oats with milk and protein powder, made a chicken salad with 200g of chicken and jalapeno peppers and cheese, then walk to work, work for five hours, walk back (45 minute walking commute each way) cook a bomb-*kitten* lean beef chilli con carne with plenty of veggies, go for a 3 mile run and come home, shower and go to bed. Sometimes I'll have a boiled egg or two or some toast if I have the macros for it.
What I don't understand is why you would deprive yourself, arguments about LBM etc aside, when you could have more and enjoy your food? Don't you struggle through your exercise without adequate calories? Doesn't it make you grumpy?
Edited to add: I would love to see some before/after shots of your progress, OP. Generally when I see people lose weight quickly through low calorie diets and overexercising, they look flabby and have lots of loose skin. If you look like the adonis you describe, I'll be much more interested in your opinions.0 -
What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?
The study I cited above says differently. Overweight and obese people lost both body fat and muscle mass while in a calorie deficit. Their bodies did not burn through all the fat before burning through the muscle.
Here's study about elite athletes and how rates of weight loss impact lean body mass and performance during weight loss. TL;DR - the slower losers have the edge
Effect of two different weight-loss rates on body composition and strength and power-related performance in elite athletes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21558571
Weight loss without losing muscle mass in pre-obese and obese subjects induced by a high-soy-protein diet.
CONCLUSIONS:
Our data suggest that a high-soy-protein and low-fat diet can improve the body composition in overweight and obese people, losing fat but preserving muscle mass.
The first group who was not on the diet also lost weight, but they lost muscle mass in addition to fat. How is this possible if the human body burns through fat stores before muscle mass as you claim?0 -
What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?
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Just got back from a quick 200 calorie burn on the Tmill. That was my second of the day. Oh and today was an off day for me. This completed hour 26 of my fast. I am going to take the fast longer and break it for lunch tomorrow. That will give my a nice 40 hour fast. I'll do 3 Weight training days with 400 calorie cardio burns. And 3 days of cardio with 600 calorie burns. I think I will do a protein shake and 2 grilled chicken caesar salads for each day of the week. That will be 900 calories of food per day. Counting excercise that will be at least 2000 calorie deficits per day and 14,000 for the week. That should be a 4 pound weight loss for the week. Hmmmm. Sounds intriguing!!! I just hope I don't go into starvation mode and lose all that lean body mass! LOL. Either that or I could always "eat more to lose more"...................
No offence dude, but that sounds miserable.
I had six Hershey's Kisses with my morning cup of tea, then did my p90x3 workout, ate half a cup of oats with milk and protein powder, made a chicken salad with 200g of chicken and jalapeno peppers and cheese, then walk to work, work for five hours, walk back (45 minute walking commute each way) cook a bomb-*kitten* lean beef chilli con carne with plenty of veggies, go for a 3 mile run and come home, shower and go to bed. Sometimes I'll have a boiled egg or two or some toast if I have the macros for it.
What I don't understand is why you would deprive yourself, arguments about LBM etc aside, when you could have more and enjoy your food? Don't you struggle through your exercise without adequate calories? Doesn't it make you grumpy?
I got the eye on the prize. And I am more than willing to make some sacrifices to be stronger, leaner, and healthier than stuff my pie hole with Hersey kisses. Dude, its just food, it aint all that important. I can get by on 900 calories in the short term. I won't be wasting away anytime soon. despite the hysteria you read in these forums. And I dont feel grumpy over food. I'll ramp up the calories next week and everything will be good. I'll be at 213 with a new lower baseline and ready to take off the last 4 pounds. Sounds cool to me!0 -
Just got back from a quick 200 calorie burn on the Tmill. That was my second of the day. Oh and today was an off day for me. This completed hour 26 of my fast. I am going to take the fast longer and break it for lunch tomorrow. That will give my a nice 40 hour fast. I'll do 3 Weight training days with 400 calorie cardio burns. And 3 days of cardio with 600 calorie burns. I think I will do a protein shake and 2 grilled chicken caesar salads for each day of the week. That will be 900 calories of food per day. Counting excercise that will be at least 2000 calorie deficits per day and 14,000 for the week. That should be a 4 pound weight loss for the week. Hmmmm. Sounds intriguing!!! I just hope I don't go into starvation mode and lose all that lean body mass! LOL. Either that or I could always "eat more to lose more"...................
No offence dude, but that sounds miserable.
I had six Hershey's Kisses with my morning cup of tea, then did my p90x3 workout, ate half a cup of oats with milk and protein powder, made a chicken salad with 200g of chicken and jalapeno peppers and cheese, then walk to work, work for five hours, walk back (45 minute walking commute each way) cook a bomb-*kitten* lean beef chilli con carne with plenty of veggies, go for a 3 mile run and come home, shower and go to bed. Sometimes I'll have a boiled egg or two or some toast if I have the macros for it.
What I don't understand is why you would deprive yourself, arguments about LBM etc aside, when you could have more and enjoy your food? Don't you struggle through your exercise without adequate calories? Doesn't it make you grumpy?
Edited to add: I would love to see some before/after shots of your progress, OP. Generally when I see people lose weight quickly through low calorie diets and overexercising, they look flabby and have lots of loose skin. If you look like the adonis you describe, I'll be much more interested in your opinions.
I want a 5 hour work day. :ohwell:
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What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?
The study I cited above says differently. Overweight and obese people lost both body fat and muscle mass while in a calorie deficit. Their bodies did not burn through all the fat before burning through the muscle.
Here's study about elite athletes and how rates of weight loss impact lean body mass and performance during weight loss. TL;DR - the slower losers have the edge
Effect of two different weight-loss rates on body composition and strength and power-related performance in elite athletes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21558571
Weight loss without losing muscle mass in pre-obese and obese subjects induced by a high-soy-protein diet.
CONCLUSIONS:
Our data suggest that a high-soy-protein and low-fat diet can improve the body composition in overweight and obese people, losing fat but preserving muscle mass.
The first group who was not on the diet also lost weight, but they lost muscle mass in addition to fat. How is this possible if the human body burns through fat stores before muscle mass as you claim?
Where is that listed in this study. that is not what is in this abstract or conclusion???0 -
Just got back from a quick 200 calorie burn on the Tmill. That was my second of the day. Oh and today was an off day for me. This completed hour 26 of my fast. I am going to take the fast longer and break it for lunch tomorrow. That will give my a nice 40 hour fast. I'll do 3 Weight training days with 400 calorie cardio burns. And 3 days of cardio with 600 calorie burns. I think I will do a protein shake and 2 grilled chicken caesar salads for each day of the week. That will be 900 calories of food per day. Counting excercise that will be at least 2000 calorie deficits per day and 14,000 for the week. That should be a 4 pound weight loss for the week. Hmmmm. Sounds intriguing!!! I just hope I don't go into starvation mode and lose all that lean body mass! LOL. Either that or I could always "eat more to lose more"...................
No offence dude, but that sounds miserable.
I had six Hershey's Kisses with my morning cup of tea, then did my p90x3 workout, ate half a cup of oats with milk and protein powder, made a chicken salad with 200g of chicken and jalapeno peppers and cheese, then walk to work, work for five hours, walk back (45 minute walking commute each way) cook a bomb-*kitten* lean beef chilli con carne with plenty of veggies, go for a 3 mile run and come home, shower and go to bed. Sometimes I'll have a boiled egg or two or some toast if I have the macros for it.
What I don't understand is why you would deprive yourself, arguments about LBM etc aside, when you could have more and enjoy your food? Don't you struggle through your exercise without adequate calories? Doesn't it make you grumpy?
Edited to add: I would love to see some before/after shots of your progress, OP. Generally when I see people lose weight quickly through low calorie diets and overexercising, they look flabby and have lots of loose skin. If you look like the adonis you describe, I'll be much more interested in your opinions.
I want a 5 hour work day. :ohwell:
:flowerforyou:
Move to Japan and teach screaming *kitten* kids.0 -
So.... what exactly makes you think your body doesn't catabolize muscle when you have fat stores?
If this were true everyone who loses weight from being significantly obese to healthy weight would be built like a brickhouse. Skinny-fat would only be a problem for people who aren't ambulatory.0 -
What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?
Wow! solid retort...............0 -
Just got back from a quick 200 calorie burn on the Tmill. That was my second of the day. Oh and today was an off day for me. This completed hour 26 of my fast. I am going to take the fast longer and break it for lunch tomorrow. That will give my a nice 40 hour fast. I'll do 3 Weight training days with 400 calorie cardio burns. And 3 days of cardio with 600 calorie burns. I think I will do a protein shake and 2 grilled chicken caesar salads for each day of the week. That will be 900 calories of food per day. Counting excercise that will be at least 2000 calorie deficits per day and 14,000 for the week. That should be a 4 pound weight loss for the week. Hmmmm. Sounds intriguing!!! I just hope I don't go into starvation mode and lose all that lean body mass! LOL. Either that or I could always "eat more to lose more"...................
No offence dude, but that sounds miserable.
I had six Hershey's Kisses with my morning cup of tea, then did my p90x3 workout, ate half a cup of oats with milk and protein powder, made a chicken salad with 200g of chicken and jalapeno peppers and cheese, then walk to work, work for five hours, walk back (45 minute walking commute each way) cook a bomb-*kitten* lean beef chilli con carne with plenty of veggies, go for a 3 mile run and come home, shower and go to bed. Sometimes I'll have a boiled egg or two or some toast if I have the macros for it.
What I don't understand is why you would deprive yourself, arguments about LBM etc aside, when you could have more and enjoy your food? Don't you struggle through your exercise without adequate calories? Doesn't it make you grumpy?
I got the eye on the prize. And I am more than willing to make some sacrifices to be stronger, leaner, and healthier than stuff my pie hole with Hersey kisses. Dude, its just food, it aint all that important. I can get by on 900 calories in the short term. I won't be wasting away anytime soon. despite the hysteria you read in these forums. And I dont feel grumpy over food. I'll ramp up the calories next week and everything will be good. I'll be at 213 with a new lower baseline and ready to take off the last 4 pounds. Sounds cool to me!
Oh cool, so I'm less dedicated than you because I eat chocolates? I don't have my "eye on the prize", clearly.
I guess I'll just tell those 70lbs I already lost to come on back because I'm not serious enough.0 -
I'm thinking poor scotty is just hungry, and that is making him overly testy. Can't believe he's this wound up already after 120ish posts here.
Eat some food, you'll be much happier. Really. :flowerforyou:0 -
Just got back from a quick 200 calorie burn on the Tmill. That was my second of the day. Oh and today was an off day for me. This completed hour 26 of my fast. I am going to take the fast longer and break it for lunch tomorrow. That will give my a nice 40 hour fast. I'll do 3 Weight training days with 400 calorie cardio burns. And 3 days of cardio with 600 calorie burns. I think I will do a protein shake and 2 grilled chicken caesar salads for each day of the week. That will be 900 calories of food per day. Counting excercise that will be at least 2000 calorie deficits per day and 14,000 for the week. That should be a 4 pound weight loss for the week. Hmmmm. Sounds intriguing!!! I just hope I don't go into starvation mode and lose all that lean body mass! LOL. Either that or I could always "eat more to lose more"...................
No offence dude, but that sounds miserable.
I had six Hershey's Kisses with my morning cup of tea, then did my p90x3 workout, ate half a cup of oats with milk and protein powder, made a chicken salad with 200g of chicken and jalapeno peppers and cheese, then walk to work, work for five hours, walk back (45 minute walking commute each way) cook a bomb-*kitten* lean beef chilli con carne with plenty of veggies, go for a 3 mile run and come home, shower and go to bed. Sometimes I'll have a boiled egg or two or some toast if I have the macros for it.
What I don't understand is why you would deprive yourself, arguments about LBM etc aside, when you could have more and enjoy your food? Don't you struggle through your exercise without adequate calories? Doesn't it make you grumpy?
Edited to add: I would love to see some before/after shots of your progress, OP. Generally when I see people lose weight quickly through low calorie diets and overexercising, they look flabby and have lots of loose skin. If you look like the adonis you describe, I'll be much more interested in your opinions.
I want a 5 hour work day. :ohwell:
:flowerforyou:
Move to Japan and teach screaming *kitten* kids.
:laugh: My respect for you has just tripled. :drinker:0 -
Newbie with closed diary and no pics joins MFP and starts telling everyone they're wrong about everything.
Film at 11.0 -
How do you expect someone to respond to an arrogant and condescending post like yours?What the Hell are you on about, scotty?
There are lots of people here who have lost a lot of weight. Don't assume you know everything.
Mostly because - Newsflash - you don't.
What do those bodybuilders' pictures have to do with any of this?
No, but I know more than you. That point is quite evident.
And does every post have to be explained to you in detail? Perhaps if you were paying attention and following along the points, the discussion would not be continually going over your head. The BB pictures go along with the weight versus LBM discussion that you were not paying attention to. The picture illustrates the balancing act that an elite athlete has in balancing weight loss from 300lbs down to 255lbs. And how that will effect LBM in reality. This problem does not generally apply to obese people who have plenty of fat stores and limited muscle mass. They won't be wasting away anytime soon....Now you get it?
Wow! solid retort...............
and for the record obese people generally have plenty of LBM from carrying the extra weight, not limited muscle mass.0
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