"Girl" Pushups????
Replies
-
Sometimes I do girl squats. I throw a girl over my shoulder and do what I hear are bodyweight squats.
Remember that one time I threw you over my shoulder?
That was awesome... I think.0 -
This thread has very little to do with gender roles. It's really a question of whether girls can, and/or should be encouraged to do regular push ups. Pushing girls to step up when it comes to strength and athletics shouldn't really be a threat to a strong man.
The thread is actually entirely about gender roles. Assigning the role "girl" to a modified push-up first establishes that girls are "lesser" as it is a less physically demanding activity. It implies that girls are weaker and should shoot for the smaller, or lesser, success of performing modified push-ups. It finally implies that boys that can only perform modified push-ups are no longer entitled to their gender identity of "boy".
I really, REALLY appreciate where you went with the second half of your statement, though. The strength that women possess shouldn't be a threat to ANY man. Unfortunately, as we've seen in this thread, it still is.
It's not necessary that this have anything at all to do with gender roles. All it "implies" is that girls can't do real push ups. And by contrast, arguing that girls can do real push ups (and that perhaps we should just call them wimpy push ups or modified push ups) doesn't necessarily mean that girls aren't on average weaker than boys. Guess what? They are. And that really shouldn't be controversial or a shock to anyone. Again though, pushing girls and women to be stronger shouldn't be a threat to strong men, regardless of one's stance on gender roles.
By saying "It's not necessary that this have anything at all to do with gender roles.", you're ignoring the fact that the gender binary is a pre-existing social construct full of sweeping generalizations and one hell of crappy, oppressive regime. I know I'm belabouring the point, but this is my job. I'm an educator in this area. I give talks on the gender binary, gender identity and sexual dimorphism and how they're all very different things. I just hope I can open a few eyes and to those who want to keep their heads in the sand, so be it.
With regards to push-ups, to call modified push-ups "girl" push-ups is just inane. I will concede that men, on average have greater upper body muscular strength than women. We are, however, talking about push-ups and women are just as capable of performing full push-ups as men. Come the eff on.
You use a lot of awfully big words...
...for a girl.0 -
Sometimes I do girl squats. I throw a girl over my shoulder and do what I hear are bodyweight squats.
Remember that one time I threw you over my shoulder?
That was awesome... I think.
It would have been great if you hadn't clubbed me first.
0 -
You use a lot of awfully big words...
...for a girl.
0 -
This thread has very little to do with gender roles. It's really a question of whether girls can, and/or should be encouraged to do regular push ups. Pushing girls to step up when it comes to strength and athletics shouldn't really be a threat to a strong man.
The thread is actually entirely about gender roles. Assigning the role "girl" to a modified push-up first establishes that girls are "lesser" as it is a less physically demanding activity. It implies that girls are weaker and should shoot for the smaller, or lesser, success of performing modified push-ups. It finally implies that boys that can only perform modified push-ups are no longer entitled to their gender identity of "boy".
I really, REALLY appreciate where you went with the second half of your statement, though. The strength that women possess shouldn't be a threat to ANY man. Unfortunately, as we've seen in this thread, it still is.
It's not necessary that this have anything at all to do with gender roles. All it "implies" is that girls can't do real push ups. And by contrast, arguing that girls can do real push ups (and that perhaps we should just call them wimpy push ups or modified push ups) doesn't necessarily mean that girls aren't on average weaker than boys. Guess what? They are. And that really shouldn't be controversial or a shock to anyone. Again though, pushing girls and women to be stronger shouldn't be a threat to strong men, regardless of one's stance on gender roles.
By saying "It's not necessary that this have anything at all to do with gender roles.", you're ignoring the fact that the gender binary is a pre-existing social construct full of sweeping generalizations and one hell of crappy, oppressive regime. I know I'm belabouring the point, but this is my job. I'm an educator in this area. I give talks on the gender binary, gender identity and sexual dimorphism and how they're all very different things. I just hope I can open a few eyes and to those who want to keep their heads in the sand, so be it.
With regards to push-ups, to call modified push-ups "girl" push-ups is just inane. I will concede that men, on average have greater upper body muscular strength than women. We are, however, talking about push-ups and women are just as capable of performing full push-ups as men. Come the eff on.
You use a lot of awfully big words...
...for a girl.
Overcompensating for a heavy flow?0 -
Apologies, that was someone else in the thread. Although you did suggest your daughter talk to the teacher about it.I just looked through my original post and my follow up comments...I *don't believe* I ever said I was going to talk to the teacher. I just wasn't happy about it.
They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.0 -
Sometimes I do girl squats. I throw a girl over my shoulder and do what I hear are bodyweight squats.
Remember that one time I threw you over my shoulder?
That was awesome... I think.
It would have been great if you hadn't clubbed me first.
I thought that's just how things worked in the big city??0 -
Sometimes I do girl squats. I throw a girl over my shoulder and do what I hear are bodyweight squats.
Remember that one time I threw you over my shoulder?
That was awesome... I think.
It would have been great if you hadn't clubbed me first.
I thought that's just how things worked in the big city??
No, you can go CLUBBING in the big city, as in nightclubbing!0 -
I thought my gym teachers were just preparing me for later in later in life... with calloused knees and whatnot.0
-
So we're talking about modified pushups? Not boobs.
Ohhhhh.....
*Exists slowly*
*Has a sad*0 -
I thought my gym teachers were just preparing me for later in later in life... with calloused knees and whatnot.
It is a mercy, really.0 -
haha We have those terms in German too:
Liegestützen -> pushups
Frauen-Liegestützen -> women pushups
to be honest. I can only do the women pushups :-D But I´m sure I can do the ordinary ones one day. Having 20lbs less to lift will probably help too :laugh:0 -
Apologies, that was someone else in the thread. Although you did suggest your daughter talk to the teacher about it.I just looked through my original post and my follow up comments...I *don't believe* I ever said I was going to talk to the teacher. I just wasn't happy about it.
They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.
I think most of the arguments here are prescriptive rather than descriptive, and even in respect of those that are descriptive, there is a difference between the proper terminology and slang.0 -
I thought my gym teachers were just preparing me for later in later in life... with calloused knees and whatnot.
0 -
Even if it is slang, which I guess to be fair it is, what is wrong with slang? Its well known slang, so its not like its something the teacher has made up and noone knows what he is talking about.
Apologies, that was someone else in the thread. Although you did suggest your daughter talk to the teacher about it.I just looked through my original post and my follow up comments...I *don't believe* I ever said I was going to talk to the teacher. I just wasn't happy about it.
They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.
I think most of the arguments here are prescriptive rather than descriptive, and even in respect of those that are descriptive, there is a difference between the proper terminology and slang.
I know the issue is the people who don't believe its called that find it offensive, but from my point of view its completely inoffensive, and as I pointed out earlier, growing up with them being called girl push ups has had no negative effects of me, or anyone else I know.0 -
Even if it is slang, which I guess to be fair it is, what is wrong with slang? Its well known slang, so its not like its something the teacher has made up and noone knows what he is talking about.
Apologies, that was someone else in the thread. Although you did suggest your daughter talk to the teacher about it.I just looked through my original post and my follow up comments...I *don't believe* I ever said I was going to talk to the teacher. I just wasn't happy about it.
They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.
I think most of the arguments here are prescriptive rather than descriptive, and even in respect of those that are descriptive, there is a difference between the proper terminology and slang.
I know the issue is the people who don't believe its called that find it offensive, but from my point of view its completely inoffensive, and as I pointed out earlier, growing up with them being called girl push ups has had no negative effects of me, or anyone else I know.
Alas, another unknowing victim of the gender binary social construct.0 -
Even if it is slang, which I guess to be fair it is, what is wrong with slang? Its well known slang, so its not like its something the teacher has made up and noone knows what he is talking about.
Apologies, that was someone else in the thread. Although you did suggest your daughter talk to the teacher about it.I just looked through my original post and my follow up comments...I *don't believe* I ever said I was going to talk to the teacher. I just wasn't happy about it.
They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.
I think most of the arguments here are prescriptive rather than descriptive, and even in respect of those that are descriptive, there is a difference between the proper terminology and slang.
I know the issue is the people who don't believe its called that find it offensive, but from my point of view its completely inoffensive, and as I pointed out earlier, growing up with them being called girl push ups has had no negative effects of me, or anyone else I know.
I don't think it's all that offensive, but for me, if the teacher is teaching little girls (and especially if those little girls include my daughters), then I would prefer the term "modified push ups." Language does have meaning and emotional conotation, and if you call a modified push up a "girl push up" then that does imply that they are for girls. And yet, girls are very capable, if taught, of doing real push ups, ergo, I don't think it's appropriate to call modified push ups "girl push ups."0 -
No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.
Some people believe that the word "wetback" is acceptable when referring to a Hispanic person because everyone knows what you're talking about. Some terms have negative connotations, such as sissy or retard, and most people are wise enough not to use them as an obvious attempt to belittle and insult the recipient. The examples are endless... Athletes are fined for such things it's so out of favor to throw about slurs.
Clearly, a few of MFP's finest are in the first category that doesn't think your words try to impact the recipient. You're just blindly flailing them around and believe your words have no impact. You can absolutely stay in a bubble where you claim "I didn't mean anything by it." You think calling it a "girl pushup" isn't belittling. So knock yourself out... call it whatever you want. People have the free-will to respond accordingly and may think you're ignorant, but hey... joy of free speech.
I like to think words are powerful. They can teach, communicate attitudes, inspire or diminish, words can move your damn soul. I will grant you that some take political correctness WAY too far... from banned books, to opposition to Secretary's Day. It does get out of hand. Some of you clearly think "girl pushups" is just fine and not at all diminishing the recipient of that comment. I tend to disagree. But to each their own.
I link this article as reference and to point out this is not an attack on anyone (although I have no doubt it will be reported). http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/there-is-outrage-but-tea-party-hispanics-silent-over-racial-slur/0 -
Girls are so touchy. I knew letting them vote would do this.0
-
No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.
Some people believe that the word "wetback" is acceptable when referring to a Hispanic person because everyone knows what you're talking about. Some terms have negative connotations, such as sissy or retard, and most people are wise enough not to use them as an obvious attempt to belittle and insult the recipient. The examples are endless... Athletes are fined for such things it's so out of favor to throw about slurs.
Clearly, a few of MFP's finest are in the first category that doesn't think your words try to impact the recipient. You're just blindly flailing them around and like to believe your words have no impact. You can absolutely stay in a naive bubble where you claim "I didn't mean anything by it." You think calling it a "girl pushup" isn't belittling. So knock yourself out... call it whatever you want. People have the free-will to respond accordingly and may think you're ignorant, but hey... joy of free speech.
I like to think words are powerful. They can teach, communicate attitudes, inspire or diminish, words can move your damn soul. I will grant you that some take political correctness WAY too far... from banned books, to opposition to Secretary's Day. It does get out of hand. Some of you clearly think "girl pushups" is just fine and not at all diminishing the recipient of that comment. I tend to disagree. But to each their own.
I link this article as reference and to point out this is not an attack on anyone (although I have no doubt it will be reported). http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/there-is-outrage-but-tea-party-hispanics-silent-over-racial-slur/
^ I agree with this. I will add that when it's adults trash talking one another it's one thing. I'm all for trash talk. When it is a TEACHER referring to them as "girl push ups" in front of LITTLE GIRLS it is sure to have an impact and that impact is most certainly not positive.0 -
The teacher said boys and girls do different kinds of pushups. Whatever she called them, that is wrong and offensive. And I'm not easily offended.
I started kindergarten in 1982 and graduated high school in 1995. Every year during that time, we did the Presidential Physical Fitness Test. To pass it, even in 1982, the girls had to be able to do a certain number of regular pushups. The girls by and large managed to pass every year.
Moose up there must have just known the really weak girls.0 -
Girls are so touchy. I knew letting them vote would do this.
Women can vote???!!!!!!
Well, somebody has been lying to me. :grumble:0 -
No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.
Some people believe that the word "wetback" is acceptable when referring to a Hispanic person because everyone knows what you're talking about. Some terms have negative connotations, such as sissy or retard, and most people are wise enough not to use them as an obvious attempt to belittle and insult the recipient. The examples are endless... Athletes are fined for such things it's so out of favor to throw about slurs.
Clearly, a few of MFP's finest are in the first category that doesn't think your words try to impact the recipient. You're just blindly flailing them around and believe your words have no impact. You can absolutely stay in a bubble where you claim "I didn't mean anything by it." You think calling it a "girl pushup" isn't belittling. So knock yourself out... call it whatever you want. People have the free-will to respond accordingly and may think you're ignorant, but hey... joy of free speech.
I like to think words are powerful. They can teach, communicate attitudes, inspire or diminish, words can move your damn soul. I will grant you that some take political correctness WAY too far... from banned books, to opposition to Secretary's Day. It does get out of hand. Some of you clearly think "girl pushups" is just fine and not at all diminishing the recipient of that comment. I tend to disagree. But to each their own.
I link this article as reference and to point out this is not an attack on anyone (although I have no doubt it will be reported). http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/there-is-outrage-but-tea-party-hispanics-silent-over-racial-slur/
My friends are amazing. Just saying. :flowerforyou:0 -
LOLGirls are so touchy. I knew letting them vote would do this.
Odusgolp, in my opinion, racist comments and "girls push ups" are two completely different things. I wholeheartedly believe that this term has zero negative effects, since again, as mentioned I suffered no effects from it, neither did anyone else I know, and even the people arguing the offensive side on here haven't mentioned knowing anyone effected, or come up with any studies, or said anything else that would let me to believe this is even remotely potentially harmful that I have seen.
If people think me ignorant for that then so be it, I may think they are ignorant also. Living in a world where everyone has different opinions that happens sometimes.
Anyhow, I think I have argued the same thing enough now, so unless I see an interesting new point to respond to, I will step out now
0 -
Girls are so touchy. I knew letting them vote would do this.
We should totally go kick our great grandfathers' graves, right? :grumble:0 -
No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.
Some people believe that the word "wetback" is acceptable when referring to a Hispanic person because everyone knows what you're talking about. Some terms have negative connotations, such as sissy or retard, and most people are wise enough not to use them as an obvious attempt to belittle and insult the recipient. The examples are endless... Athletes are fined for such things it's so out of favor to throw about slurs.
Clearly, a few of MFP's finest are in the first category that doesn't think your words try to impact the recipient. You're just blindly flailing them around and believe your words have no impact. You can absolutely stay in a bubble where you claim "I didn't mean anything by it." You think calling it a "girl pushup" isn't belittling. So knock yourself out... call it whatever you want. People have the free-will to respond accordingly and may think you're ignorant, but hey... joy of free speech.
I like to think words are powerful. They can teach, communicate attitudes, inspire or diminish, words can move your damn soul. I will grant you that some take political correctness WAY too far... from banned books, to opposition to Secretary's Day. It does get out of hand. Some of you clearly think "girl pushups" is just fine and not at all diminishing the recipient of that comment. I tend to disagree. But to each their own.
I link this article as reference and to point out this is not an attack on anyone (although I have no doubt it will be reported). http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/there-is-outrage-but-tea-party-hispanics-silent-over-racial-slur/
Obviously, some Hispanics are unaffected by the term "wetback". lol0 -
No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.
Some people believe that the word "wetback" is acceptable when referring to a Hispanic person because everyone knows what you're talking about. Some terms have negative connotations, such as sissy or retard, and most people are wise enough not to use them as an obvious attempt to belittle and insult the recipient. The examples are endless... Athletes are fined for such things it's so out of favor to throw about slurs.
Clearly, a few of MFP's finest are in the first category that doesn't think your words try to impact the recipient. You're just blindly flailing them around and believe your words have no impact. You can absolutely stay in a bubble where you claim "I didn't mean anything by it." You think calling it a "girl pushup" isn't belittling. So knock yourself out... call it whatever you want. People have the free-will to respond accordingly and may think you're ignorant, but hey... joy of free speech.
I like to think words are powerful. They can teach, communicate attitudes, inspire or diminish, words can move your damn soul. I will grant you that some take political correctness WAY too far... from banned books, to opposition to Secretary's Day. It does get out of hand. Some of you clearly think "girl pushups" is just fine and not at all diminishing the recipient of that comment. I tend to disagree. But to each their own.
I link this article as reference and to point out this is not an attack on anyone (although I have no doubt it will be reported). http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/there-is-outrage-but-tea-party-hispanics-silent-over-racial-slur/
Obviously, some Hispanics are unaffected by the term "wetback". lol
Do those include 6-10 year old Hispanics?0 -
This is why women shouldn't leave the kitchen0
-
No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.
Some people believe that the word "wetback" is acceptable when referring to a Hispanic person because everyone knows what you're talking about. Some terms have negative connotations, such as sissy or retard, and most people are wise enough not to use them as an obvious attempt to belittle and insult the recipient. The examples are endless... Athletes are fined for such things it's so out of favor to throw about slurs.
Clearly, a few of MFP's finest are in the first category that doesn't think your words try to impact the recipient. You're just blindly flailing them around and like to believe your words have no impact. You can absolutely stay in a naive bubble where you claim "I didn't mean anything by it." You think calling it a "girl pushup" isn't belittling. So knock yourself out... call it whatever you want. People have the free-will to respond accordingly and may think you're ignorant, but hey... joy of free speech.
I like to think words are powerful. They can teach, communicate attitudes, inspire or diminish, words can move your damn soul. I will grant you that some take political correctness WAY too far... from banned books, to opposition to Secretary's Day. It does get out of hand. Some of you clearly think "girl pushups" is just fine and not at all diminishing the recipient of that comment. I tend to disagree. But to each their own.
I link this article as reference and to point out this is not an attack on anyone (although I have no doubt it will be reported). http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/there-is-outrage-but-tea-party-hispanics-silent-over-racial-slur/
^ I agree with this. I will add that when it's adults trash talking one another it's one thing. I'm all for trash talk. When it is a TEACHER referring to them as "girl push ups" in front of LITTLE GIRLS it is sure to have an impact and that impact is most certainly not positive.
Yup. If I'm playing softball with other adults and my husband tells a male friend that he's throwing like a little girl, IDGAF. But if I'm watching my 4 year old play boys and girls T-ball and the coach tells one of her male teammates that he's throwing like a little girl, that's a problem. She's 4 and believes that aside from peeing standing up, she can do anything that boys can do, just as well, and maybe better. They're just other kids to her. Until someone comes along and uses terms like girl push ups and throws like a girl, and then a light bulb goes off b/c she was just taught that girls are lesser than.0 -
To be clear on where I am on this...
I am not a fan of PC in general. I think the energy spent trying to be PC in everything is grossly inefficient and ridiculously ineffective.
However, the issue of using gender to describe a modification of an exercise is ridiculous...*regardless* of how commonplace the term has been. (Fortunately, banded/assisted pullups are known as banded/assisted pullups and not "girl pullups".)
Do people know what you mean by the phrase "girl pushup"? Absolutely...but as a father of a daughter, I don't like the message it sends to her. And if a boy lacks the necessary strength to do a regular pushup, then he shouldn't feel like he's denying his gender to do a modified/knees pushup. It's just a completely unnecessary label IMHO.
That said, I don't find it so egregious that I'm going to make it my calling in life to seek out those who use the term and lecture them on it. *shrug*0
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.4K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.2K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.4K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 426 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.7K MyFitnessPal Information
- 24 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions