"Girl" Pushups????
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For some of us, who are not so young anymore, we were taught the girl push-ups with knees bent.
I, too, do push-ups like the guys in the gym. However there really is (or was) a "girl push-up".
Sounds like your daughter's teacher is "old-school".0 -
This is why women shouldn't leave the kitchen
My husband bought me a laptop for the kitchen so I can MFP between making sammiches.
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No, it's not just what they're called. They're called modified push ups or knee push ups; maybe even half push ups. This is only half of the issue though.They are known by all of those names, and also girl push ups. Just the fact that everyone in this thread immediately knew what a girl push up is without having to be told shows that.
Some people believe that the word "wetback" is acceptable when referring to a Hispanic person because everyone knows what you're talking about. Some terms have negative connotations, such as sissy or retard, and most people are wise enough not to use them as an obvious attempt to belittle and insult the recipient. The examples are endless... Athletes are fined for such things it's so out of favor to throw about slurs.
Clearly, a few of MFP's finest are in the first category that doesn't think your words try to impact the recipient. You're just blindly flailing them around and believe your words have no impact. You can absolutely stay in a bubble where you claim "I didn't mean anything by it." You think calling it a "girl pushup" isn't belittling. So knock yourself out... call it whatever you want. People have the free-will to respond accordingly and may think you're ignorant, but hey... joy of free speech.
I like to think words are powerful. They can teach, communicate attitudes, inspire or diminish, words can move your damn soul. I will grant you that some take political correctness WAY too far... from banned books, to opposition to Secretary's Day. It does get out of hand. Some of you clearly think "girl pushups" is just fine and not at all diminishing the recipient of that comment. I tend to disagree. But to each their own.
I link this article as reference and to point out this is not an attack on anyone (although I have no doubt it will be reported). http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/there-is-outrage-but-tea-party-hispanics-silent-over-racial-slur/
Obviously, some Hispanics are unaffected by the term "wetback". lol
Do those include 6-10 year old Hispanics?
I prefer Beaner. Well I guess half beaner to be politically correct.0 -
To be clear on where I am on this...
I am not a fan of PC in general. I think the energy spent trying to be PC in everything is grossly inefficient and ridiculously ineffective.
However, the issue of using gender to describe a modification of an exercise is ridiculous...*regardless* of how commonplace the term has been. (Fortunately, banded/assisted pullups are known as banded/assisted pullups and not "girl pullups".)
Do people know what you mean by the phrase "girl pushup"? Absolutely...but as a father of a daughter, I don't like the message it sends to her. And if a boy lacks the necessary strength to do a regular pushup, then he shouldn't feel like he's denying his gender to do a modified/knees pushup. It's just a completely unnecessary label IMHO.
That said, I don't find it so egregious that I'm going to make it my calling in life to seek out those who use the term and lecture them on it. *shrug*
For sure. I love that rather than going down there and ranting at the teacher, the OP told her daughter to let the teacher know that she will be doing the same push ups as the boys.0 -
To be clear on where I am on this...
I am not a fan of PC in general. I think the energy spent trying to be PC in everything is grossly inefficient and ridiculously ineffective.
However, the issue of using gender to describe a modification of an exercise is ridiculous...*regardless* of how commonplace the term has been. (Fortunately, banded/assisted pullups are known as banded/assisted pullups and not "girl pullups".)
Do people know what you mean by the phrase "girl pushup"? Absolutely...but as a father of a daughter, I don't like the message it sends to her. And if a boy lacks the necessary strength to do a regular pushup, then he shouldn't feel like he's denying his gender to do a modified/knees pushup. It's just a completely unnecessary label IMHO.
That said, I don't find it so egregious that I'm going to make it my calling in life to seek out those who use the term and lecture them on it. *shrug*
I don't think most of the people in this thread are far off from this very moderate position. Even the OP said that she wasn't planning to go argue with the teacher about it. I just think girls who want to be athletic have enough to deal with in classes full of boys.0 -
This is why women shouldn't leave the kitchen
My husband bought me a laptop for the kitchen so I can MFP between making sammiches.
That's love.0 -
OP, you overreacted. The teacher was trying to be accommodating. Sick of the hidden agendas.0
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Hey, you don't know how happy I was when I found out there were special push ups for girls! They're so much better!0
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There's another reason I'd prefer that people not teach my kid about "girl" push ups opposed to modified or any other term not associated with gender. I don't want her learning that being a girl is an excuse to do less. Having a vagina isn't a handicap.0
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To be clear on where I am on this...
I am not a fan of PC in general. I think the energy spent trying to be PC in everything is grossly inefficient and ridiculously ineffective.
However, the issue of using gender to describe a modification of an exercise is ridiculous...*regardless* of how commonplace the term has been. (Fortunately, banded/assisted pullups are known as banded/assisted pullups and not "girl pullups".)
Do people know what you mean by the phrase "girl pushup"? Absolutely...but as a father of a daughter, I don't like the message it sends to her. And if a boy lacks the necessary strength to do a regular pushup, then he shouldn't feel like he's denying his gender to do a modified/knees pushup. It's just a completely unnecessary label IMHO.
That said, I don't find it so egregious that I'm going to make it my calling in life to seek out those who use the term and lecture them on it. *shrug*
Yeah... this.
I really want some flautas now, damnit.0 -
OP, you overreacted. The teacher was trying to be accommodating. Sick of the hidden agendas.
You mean the hidden agenda of the teacher? Because the agenda in this thread is pretty transparent.0 -
OP, you overreacted. The teacher was trying to be accommodating. Sick of the hidden agendas.
Wait, what?
At the end of the day, all she did was tell her daughter to do regular pushups instead of modified pushups. I would tell my daughter the same thing...well, *almost* the same thing. I would tell my daughter to do the version of pushups *she* wanted to do and not to feel like she didn't have a choice...and I would probably use the opportunity to have a discussion with her about expectations, physiology, etc.
My only agenda is in raising my daughter to be an independent-thinking adult who is able to function within the system while being keenly aware of it...and if she *chooses* to rage against it and try to effect change, I will support that too.
ETA: TL;DR - I think OP handled the situation admirably. Now had she marched into the school and demanded the teacher be reprimanded/fired or organized a protest, then yeah, I might agree with you.0 -
Yup. If I'm playing softball with other adults and my husband tells a male friend that he's throwing like a little girl, IDGAF. But if I'm watching my 4 year old play boys and girls T-ball and the coach tells one of her male teammates that he's throwing like a little girl, that's a problem. She's 4 and believes that aside from peeing standing up, she can do anything that boys can do, just as well, and maybe better. They're just other kids to her. Until someone comes along and uses terms like girl push ups and throws like a girl, and then a light bulb goes off b/c she was just taught that girls are lesser than.
Agreed... when it comes to an adult friend, well, mockery and sarcasm are just FUN! LOL0 -
To be clear on where I am on this...
I am not a fan of PC in general. I think the energy spent trying to be PC in everything is grossly inefficient and ridiculously ineffective.
However, the issue of using gender to describe a modification of an exercise is ridiculous...*regardless* of how commonplace the term has been. (Fortunately, banded/assisted pullups are known as banded/assisted pullups and not "girl pullups".)
Do people know what you mean by the phrase "girl pushup"? Absolutely...but as a father of a daughter, I don't like the message it sends to her. And if a boy lacks the necessary strength to do a regular pushup, then he shouldn't feel like he's denying his gender to do a modified/knees pushup. It's just a completely unnecessary label IMHO.
That said, I don't find it so egregious that I'm going to make it my calling in life to seek out those who use the term and lecture them on it. *shrug*
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Yep, in reality I've got a pretty moderate opinion as well. Not out to make anyone call them girl push ups, I just don't understand the hoohaa about the term0
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I was gonna comment but then I heard you weren't allowed to be funny, and there was math...so...
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Yep, in reality I've got a pretty moderate opinion as well. Not out to make anyone call them girl push ups, I just don't understand the hoohaa about the term
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Speaking of terms...
...that isn't the definition I've been using for that word.
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FIFY.Yep, in reality I've got a pretty moderate opinion as well. Not out to make anyone call them girl push ups, I just don't understand the hoohaa.0 -
Yep, in reality I've got a pretty moderate opinion as well. Not out to make anyone call them girl push ups, I just don't understand the hoohaa about the term
Speaking of terms...
...that isn't the definition I've been using for that word.
Me neither. .. *clenches*0 -
OP, you overreacted. The teacher was trying to be accommodating. Sick of the hidden agendas.
Wait, what?
At the end of the day, all she did was tell her daughter to do regular pushups instead of modified pushups. I would tell my daughter the same thing...well, *almost* the same thing. I would tell my daughter to do the version of pushups *she* wanted to do and not to feel like she didn't have a choice...and I would probably use the opportunity to have a discussion with her about expectations, physiology, etc.
My only agenda is in raising my daughter to be an independent-thinking adult who is able to function within the system while being keenly aware of it...and if she *chooses* to rage against it and try to effect change, I will support that too.
ETA: TL;DR - I think OP handled the situation admirably. Now had she marched into the school and demanded the teacher be reprimanded/fired or organized a protest, then yeah, I might agree with you.
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LOL I suppose I could word that better. Except now I'm trying to word it better the only word i can think of is uproar and that seems a little harshYep, in reality I've got a pretty moderate opinion as well. Not out to make anyone call them girl push ups, I just don't understand the hoohaa about the term
Speaking of terms...
...that isn't the definition I've been using for that word.0 -
LOL I suppose I could word that better. Except now I'm trying to word it better the only word i can think of is uproar and that seems a little harshYep, in reality I've got a pretty moderate opinion as well. Not out to make anyone call them girl push ups, I just don't understand the hoohaa about the term
Speaking of terms...
...that isn't the definition I've been using for that word.
(I believe the word you're looking for is "brouhaha"...
...but too late because I've already quoted you and made not one, but TWO jokes about it.)0 -
OP, you overreacted. The teacher was trying to be accommodating. Sick of the hidden agendas.
Wait, what?
At the end of the day, all she did was tell her daughter to do regular pushups instead of modified pushups. I would tell my daughter the same thing...well, *almost* the same thing. I would tell my daughter to do the version of pushups *she* wanted to do and not to feel like she didn't have a choice...and I would probably use the opportunity to have a discussion with her about expectations, physiology, etc.
My only agenda is in raising my daughter to be an independent-thinking adult who is able to function within the system while being keenly aware of it...and if she *chooses* to rage against it and try to effect change, I will support that too.
ETA: TL;DR - I think OP handled the situation admirably. Now had she marched into the school and demanded the teacher be reprimanded/fired or organized a protest, then yeah, I might agree with you.
Good post. I think I was mistaken.0 -
Don't worry I don't need to edit anyway as that's not the word I was looking for :P I did indeed mean to say hoohaa, but wasn't thinking what that was slang for elsewhere0
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Don't worry I don't need to edit anyway as that's not the word I was looking for :P I did indeed mean to say hoohaa, but wasn't thinking what that was slang for elsewhere
See. You really can say a lot more than you meant to say when you use slang.
:laugh: My grandma always called it hoopla. 0 -
OP, you overreacted. The teacher was trying to be accommodating. Sick of the hidden agendas.
Wait, what?
At the end of the day, all she did was tell her daughter to do regular pushups instead of modified pushups. I would tell my daughter the same thing...well, *almost* the same thing. I would tell my daughter to do the version of pushups *she* wanted to do and not to feel like she didn't have a choice...and I would probably use the opportunity to have a discussion with her about expectations, physiology, etc.
My only agenda is in raising my daughter to be an independent-thinking adult who is able to function within the system while being keenly aware of it...and if she *chooses* to rage against it and try to effect change, I will support that too.
ETA: TL;DR - I think OP handled the situation admirably. Now had she marched into the school and demanded the teacher be reprimanded/fired or organized a protest, then yeah, I might agree with you.
Good post. I think I was mistaken.
Couldn't have said it better myself...and glad Norm agrees. :flowerforyou:0 -
A girl pushup is when you have to go on your knees0
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OP, you overreacted. The teacher was trying to be accommodating. Sick of the hidden agendas.
Wait, what?
At the end of the day, all she did was tell her daughter to do regular pushups instead of modified pushups. I would tell my daughter the same thing...well, *almost* the same thing. I would tell my daughter to do the version of pushups *she* wanted to do and not to feel like she didn't have a choice...and I would probably use the opportunity to have a discussion with her about expectations, physiology, etc.
My only agenda is in raising my daughter to be an independent-thinking adult who is able to function within the system while being keenly aware of it...and if she *chooses* to rage against it and try to effect change, I will support that too.
ETA: TL;DR - I think OP handled the situation admirably. Now had she marched into the school and demanded the teacher be reprimanded/fired or organized a protest, then yeah, I might agree with you.
Just wanted to add: I actually agree with you, jof, that this is a good opportunity to have that kind of discussion. That being said, my daughter is only 7 and I'm not sure she would have grasped what I was trying to teach her on this one yet. BUT...you are probably right that I should have told her she could do whichever she likes. My main thought was that I would rather she TRY the full way and learn the modified way IF she can't do it...otherwise, she tends to choose the path of least resistance...or least effort.0 -
When I was in high school, they had the whole school do the president's test to see how fit our age group was. For the pushup test, girls were considered "fit" if they could do at least 10 "girl" pushups.
My track coach told us that if she caught any of us doing "girl" pushups, she'd run us forever.0 -
When I was in high school, they had the whole school do the president's test to see how fit our age group was. For the pushup test, girls were considered "fit" if they could do at least 10 "girl" pushups.
My track coach told us that if she caught any of us doing "girl" pushups, she'd run us forever.
Good coach. :drinker:0 -
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LOL I suppose I could word that better. Except now I'm trying to word it better the only word i can think of is uproar and that seems a little harshYep, in reality I've got a pretty moderate opinion as well. Not out to make anyone call them girl push ups, I just don't understand the hoohaa about the term
Speaking of terms...
...that isn't the definition I've been using for that word.
(I believe the word you're looking for is "brouhaha"...
...but too late because I've already quoted you and made not one, but TWO jokes about it.)0
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