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  • shanaber
    shanaber Posts: 6,410 Member
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    Oh no - I didn't mean to imply that it was bothering anyone. Just making a suggestion so the questioners could find it easier without going looking for it. Sorry for the miscommunication if that is the way my reply came off.
  • runner_girl83
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    I love this thread! I have been referred here a few times over the years for all of my running enquiries! It has helped me a lot! I used to get shin splints in both legs and when a good physio and the advice here, I have learned to slow down my pace, change my form, be more mindful on how my feet are hitting the ground and now.. I have posterior shin splints just in one leg, though my physio is working on it and tells me it is much better than last time (if I can say that about shin splints.. lol) I can now run 3-4km straight and it has taken me years off on-again off-again running.. It's been a difficult relationship but I am absolutely loving it now that I know I can actually run this far! The info in this thread is amazing! And if you do have any pain, rest!! Don't push through it unless your physio or doctor tell you it is safe to and it is not leaving you in absolute agony! I cannot recommend finding a good physio who specialises in running injuries enough too! (If you need one, that is :wink: ... hopefully not!!)
  • Brightheart512
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    Thank you so much for this! I'm new to MFP and I was curious about running.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
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    I signed up for a zombie run 5K on 10/30. It's on a golf course, at 8pm (so it will be dark), and it is timed.

    Here is my brief history with running:
    -Earlier this year, I started to train for a 5K in April, time of 30:00
    -Did another 5K in May, time of 28:43 (or 28:53? I don't remember seconds)
    -Didn't run for awhile because I was hiking a lot instead, then family issues (dad died, mom had to move, etc.), then went back to class (FT grad student and still working FT), blah, blah, blah

    Last weekend, I decided to go out on a trail run / walk. I am certain I walked much more than I ran, but for 7.3 miles, I ended up with an average pace of 4.1 mph (ETA: it was 93 degrees and humid, so that also contributed to more walking/less running). With this 5K coming up again, I need to get back into shape, so to speak. I'm going to start running a few times weekly starting this week.

    Here is my question:
    Obviously we will all have flashlights or headlights, but I really don't think I can run as fast as during daylight. Also, costumes will make it more challenging, as will terrain. Given my previous times, what should I aim for as a goal time on this?
  • ThickMcRunFast
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    midwesterner85 wrote: »
    I signed up for a zombie run 5K on 10/30. It's on a golf course, at 8pm (so it will be dark), and it is timed.

    Here is my brief history with running:
    -Earlier this year, I started to train for a 5K in April, time of 30:00
    -Did another 5K in May, time of 28:43 (or 28:53? I don't remember seconds)
    -Didn't run for awhile because I was hiking a lot instead, then family issues (dad died, mom had to move, etc.), then went back to class (FT grad student and still working FT), blah, blah, blah

    Last weekend, I decided to go out on a trail run / walk. I am certain I walked much more than I ran, but for 7.3 miles, I ended up with an average pace of 4.1 mph (ETA: it was 93 degrees and humid, so that also contributed to more walking/less running). With this 5K coming up again, I need to get back into shape, so to speak. I'm going to start running a few times weekly starting this week.

    Here is my question:
    Obviously we will all have flashlights or headlights, but I really don't think I can run as fast as during daylight. Also, costumes will make it more challenging, as will terrain. Given my previous times, what should I aim for as a goal time on this?

    Since you still have 6 weeks to build up, I would just get back out and start running regularly again. I see no reason why you couldn't aim for 28 minutes or better. And since its on a golf course, you shouldn't worry too much about the terrain. You won't be tripping over roots or doing anything too technical, so it shouldn't slow you down too much. But these events really are fun (I had a sponsored run through a golf course, where people from the local running shop dressed up as surprise zombies and chased you, it was great!), so don't treat it as something you *have* to PR in order to not feel like a failure. So just slowly build back up. Throw in some strides for speed. Do some practice runs at night, and have fun!

    After this, maybe sign up for a Turkey Trot 5k, and then you can really test your PR.
  • mwyvr
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    Running in the dark with headlamps while costumed sounds like a good event! It also sounds like a good time to ignore goal time and focus on having a *good* time. :smile:
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
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    mwyvr wrote: »
    Running in the dark with headlamps while costumed sounds like a good event! It also sounds like a good time to ignore goal time and focus on having a *good* time. :smile:

    Right... but then why would the race coordinators even time it? There are no zombie-specific rules - you don't "die" if you don't make a certain time, and there are no "health flags" worn that zombies can grab to bite you. It is more or less a costume run at night. Yes, it should be fun, but how much time loss should I expect compared to my prior PR for a fun event considering additional obstacles (attire, lighting, terrain)?

    BTW, there are not even rules for costumes... we don't sign up as a zombie or non-zombie. It is basically stated to come in whatever costume we want. I'm going with a zombie hunter costume because why not? I'll be behind zombies and everyone else anyway, right?

    But yea, you might be right... maybe I should just ignore the time altogether.
  • shanaber
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    @midwesterner85 - I would train as @ThickMcRunFast outlines but then run it for fun and enter another daytime race for an actual goal time. It will likely be faster than your zombie run time unless the zombies actually end up chasing you :) My first race I had no goal time or expectation. I knew it would be a PR because I had never raced before and I would only get better from that point forward.
  • P1ayer
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    I've been running for years just as a hobby- this is a fab read!
    Feel free to add me as well anyone! Attempting to develop healthier eating habits and maintain my fitness :)
  • lnewtie
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    There is one piece of information I am searching for. I've never been able to breathe when I try to run. I feel like I'm having a heart attack even at short distances. Is there something I can do that will help this? I would really like to be able to move faster than a brisk walk. Thanks in advance.
  • azelizabeth
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    Fabulous... Thank you.
  • ThickMcRunFast
    ThickMcRunFast Posts: 22,511 Member
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    lnewtie wrote: »
    There is one piece of information I am searching for. I've never been able to breathe when I try to run. I feel like I'm having a heart attack even at short distances. Is there something I can do that will help this? I would really like to be able to move faster than a brisk walk. Thanks in advance.

    There's a discussion somewhere in these posts about breathing, but hell if I'm going to try to find it-

    And there is a lot of information out there about how you should go about this, but my thoughts:

    No shallow chest breathing, which will make you feel like you are gasping for air (and doesn't fully expand your lungs). Breathe from the diaphragm.

    Find the right breathing rhythm. This is the number of steps you take per breath. Your rhythm will be different for different paces. For example, a 3:2 breathing rhythm means you take 3 steps (right, left, right) while breathing in, and two while breathing out. I tend a 3:3 or 3:2 for easy runs, a 2:2 for moderate runs, and a 2:1 for hard runs.

    Basically, as long as you are breathing regularly, you should feel fine. Start by practicing with an easy 3:3. This can also help if you get side stitches.
  • heatherdear18
    heatherdear18 Posts: 17 Member
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    I started running last month. In a half hour I run (jog) 5k. I've been running 6 days a week, and also strength train. The other day I ran 8k in 45 minutes. I want to run a half marathon, am I on the right track? I always thought 5k was so far, but now that I do it almost everyday I'm wondering if I'm so far off track that I couldn't do a half marathon if I tried.

    Thank you for this as well! I've been looking and looking for a good article to read on this subject
  • brandiuntz
    brandiuntz Posts: 2,717 Member
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    heatherdear18 wrote: »
    I started running last month. In a half hour I run (jog) 5k. I've been running 6 days a week, and also strength train. The other day I ran 8k in 45 minutes. I want to run a half marathon, am I on the right track? I always thought 5k was so far, but now that I do it almost everyday I'm wondering if I'm so far off track that I couldn't do a half marathon if I tried.

    Thank you for this as well! I've been looking and looking for a good article to read on this subject

    You can look up training plans for a half-marathon to give you an idea of what that takes. I personally believe people should take the distances in step, which would make your next plan to build up to the 10K distance and see how you like it. If you love it, continue on to the half distance. Just follow the advice about building up to the distance, to avoid injuries and so forth that come from people taking on "too much too soon".
  • _Waffle_
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    midwesterner85 wrote: »
    mwyvr wrote: »
    Running in the dark with headlamps while costumed sounds like a good event! It also sounds like a good time to ignore goal time and focus on having a *good* time. :smile:

    Right... but then why would the race coordinators even time it? There are no zombie-specific rules - you don't "die" if you don't make a certain time, and there are no "health flags" worn that zombies can grab to bite you. It is more or less a costume run at night. Yes, it should be fun, but how much time loss should I expect compared to my prior PR for a fun event considering additional obstacles (attire, lighting, terrain)?

    BTW, there are not even rules for costumes... we don't sign up as a zombie or non-zombie. It is basically stated to come in whatever costume we want. I'm going with a zombie hunter costume because why not? I'll be behind zombies and everyone else anyway, right?

    But yea, you might be right... maybe I should just ignore the time altogether.

    No! You're doing it wrong. It's a fun event. Just have fun.

    Generally though running at night doesn't make a difference on my speed so long as I have a headlamp or something that lets me see at least 10 - 15 yards ahead.
  • ThickMcRunFast
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    heatherdear18 wrote: »
    I started running last month. In a half hour I run (jog) 5k. I've been running 6 days a week, and also strength train. The other day I ran 8k in 45 minutes. I want to run a half marathon, am I on the right track? I always thought 5k was so far, but now that I do it almost everyday I'm wondering if I'm so far off track that I couldn't do a half marathon if I tried.

    Thank you for this as well! I've been looking and looking for a good article to read on this subject

    Since you've only been running for a month, I would back off from 6x per week. that seems like a recipe for burnout. Ideally, find yourself a good half marathon plan, which will accomplish the following: Cut you from 6 to 4/5 days a week, and properly vary your workouts. Instead of running 5k every day, you should have an easy day, a mid-length day, a long run, and some sort of speed or hill work (though after just a month, I would suggest laying off of speed work and just working on distance for at least 8 more weeks to build up the right musculature and avoid injury). Somewhere along the way, you should test out a 10k for time and for race experience(I generally have weeks in my later race training where I run a race on Saturday, then a long run Sunday to get used to running on tired legs - but since you're relatively new, this is probably too much).

    Also, i wouldn't just jump right into a 12 week half marathon training schedule. I would give yourself a bit more time to build up your endurance slowly, in order to cut back on the chance of injury.
  • lynnsyoung164
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    lnewtie wrote: »
    There is one piece of information I am searching for. I've never been able to breathe when I try to run. I feel like I'm having a heart attack even at short distances. Is there something I can do that will help this? I would really like to be able to move faster than a brisk walk. Thanks in advance.

    This was me for many years. I heard you say you want to go faster than a brisk walk but I believe you have to slow down. Go so slow that you continue to breath normal and can carry on a conversation. Once I let my breathing get out of control during a run it's almost impossible to get it back without a long break. I was able to go faster just by running more often. Just my experience but maybe worth a try for you.
  • therousehouse38
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    ThickMcRunFast wrote: »
    I see questions about how to get started running pretty much daily here, so I thought I’d put together a bunch of information, all in one place. This will be general, and I’m sure that pretty much every point made here could be argued about on some level, but for beginners, this will all remain true. This is information to get you started and help you avoid injury. Sure, your friend/boss/SO/cat may have done it a different way and not ended up hurt, but we’re playing the law of averages here.

    This is to get someone started. If you want to know what to do when you actually get to your race – check here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/279198-running-tip-so-you-are-about-to-do-your-first-race

    So:
    How do I start?

    This will depend on some things. What your base level of fitness is, whether or not you do cardio, etc. There are a few ways you can really break into it 1) a structured program like Couch to 5k. This will start you running intervals, a few minutes on, a few minutes off, with the goal of having you run an entire 5k (3.1 miles). 2) Go out and jog for 10 minutes. Was that easy? Was it difficult? Could you do it again tomorrow? If its no problem, C25K might be too elementary for you. The key is to go slow. If you can’t carry on a conversation while running, you are going too fast (more on that below). A lot of new runners think running means sprinting. Sprinting shouldn’t be in your vocabulary for the first few months.

    How should I progress?

    The advice often given is that you should not increase your total mileage by more than 10% each week. Some will argue more is fine, some will say less is better. Erring on the side of caution, do not try to do too much too soon. You want to gradually build up your cardiovascular system (as well as musculature) to handle the load. Just like you wouldn’t walk into a gym and try to bench press 200 lbs on your first day, you shouldn’t try to go out and run 10 miles your first week.

    I would suggest that if your overall goal is to run a marathon, you should not jump straight into that training program. Build a base first. Run a 5k; then train for and run a 10k. Run a half. A marathon training program will be 16-18 weeks, and that will assume a base of at least 25 miles/week. It is far better to get those shorter distances in first. You will learn a lot about race day, be less likely to injure yourself, and more likely to enjoy the experience. You should not be in a rush to do any of this.

    I’m so slow…how do I get faster?

    More miles

    but this guy at crossfit said..

    MORE MILES!

    Haha, seriously, as a beginner, the best way to get faster is to develop your cardio system.
    The science behind it (greatly abridged and generalized): There are 3 types of muscle fibers involved in running: Slow twitch (endurance), fast twitch glycolytic, and fast twitch oxidative (explosiveness). At lower intensities, all three fibers are developed. Slow twitch muscle starts being developed at around 60% VO2max (VO2max is your maximum oxygen consumption, we can also think of it as perceived effort, though that is not entirely correct). Fast twitch glycolytic kicks in around 70%, and fast twitch oxidative around 75%. So, if you run at 80% max effort, you can develop all three. This is how you can get faster without running faster. This is also why runners will tell you to run at a pace where you can carry on a conversation – that is theoretically a pace in the 70-80% VO2max zone. Now, MAXIMUM fast twitch development happens at higher levels (85-100+%), which is why more advanced runners will add in tempo runs and interval work (it also helps with your lactic acid threshold, but that's another post). However, to decrease the risk of injury until you have a good base built up, long slow miles are key.

    I don’t think I’m built to be a runner

    Are you human? Then you are built to be a runner. You may not enjoy running, and that’s fine. Running may not fit into your fitness/aesthetic goals. That’s cool too. You may have an injury that precludes you from running, and if so that sucks and I’m sorry. But from a physiological standpoint, running is your jam. It’s your hunting strategy. Its how we survived as a species. You’re built to be a runner. Your Achilles tendon says so.

    more info:
    http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041115/full/news041115-9.html
    http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/the_running_man_revisited/P2/

    My shin hurts, am I going to die? (common runner injuries)

    For new runners, the most common sources of injuries will be ‘too much, too fast, too soon’. Go slow, be patient. Avoid injury.
    That being said, you are starting a form of exercise, and that will result in some muscle soreness. Aches and pains can be greatly reduced by doing some sort of self-myofascial release, also known as ‘workin’ it with the foam roller’, followed by stretching. A foam roller is a very wise investment.

    RICE (rest, ice, compression, elevation) and ibuprofen is also good to reduce inflammation. I will often freeze a full water bottle, and roll my arch out with it if I am getting sore feet.

    Running surface can somewhat affect how you feel. Dirt is softer than asphalt, which is softer than concrete. I’ve run inside through linoleum hallways during the winter. That was a ticket to shin-splint town.

    It is important that you learn to recognize the difference between “this hurts” and “I am hurt”. Is your pain sudden and acute? Is there swelling? If so, stop and re-evaluate. If you just feel uncomfortable because you haven’t run in 2 years: suck it up, buttercup.

    Some issues people are likely to experience if you do too much too soon:
    -shin splints
    -plantar fasciitis (the dreaded PF- to be avoided at all costs)
    -IT band/Patellofemeral issues (also known as “runners knee”)

    read more about common injuries and how to treat them: http://www.runnersworld.com/health/big-7-body-breakdowns?page=single

    There is another extremely common source of pain for a new runner: Shoes.

    Shoes

    Do you need actual, real, fitted running shoes?

    Well, do you want to run?

    Seriously, if this is something you want to do multiple times a week for the foreseeable future, you should consider investing in good running shoes. If you only want to jog a few miles every now and then, do you need them? Well, its up to you. I don’t think it would cause your feet to fall off, but honestly, most aches and pains can be fixed with the right shoe.

    How do you get the right shoe? You go to a reputable running store, and you have a gait analysis done. You try on many, many shoes. You run around in them. You will know when you find the right one. They will not need to be broken in (unless you are transitioning from a traditional shoe to a minimalist-style).

    I’ve heard of those minimalist shoes, they are the best, right?

    It depends. They can be good, they can be bad, depending on you. I have had points in my career where they worked very well, and points where they gave me tendonitis. You can dig up studies that say they are great, and studies that say they are an overblown fad. It really is up to your running style. If they feel great, go for it. If they feel bad, don’t force yourself into them because your mom/brother/coworker/thatguyatthegym told you it was best.

    Are they expensive?

    Yes. No way around that. You can expect to pay $100+ for a good pair of running shoes. Most stores do not charge for gait analysis, so if you are really strapped for cash, you can get it done, then buy online. However, if they spend the time analyzing you, its good form to at least buy your first pair from the store. Often you can get last year’s model/colors online for cheap, and there aren’t usually huge changes in design (though sometimes there are, so if you go this route, be careful and do some research). I look at it this way: Shoes are expensive, but not as expensive as physical therapy.

    I don’t have a running store around me, is Foot Locker OK?

    No. Drive to a running store. If all else fails, you can try something like Runner’s World’s online shoe finder, but nothing will beat the experience of trying on the shoes yourself and having a trained person watch you move. Plus, I tried the shoe finder, just to see if it would match, and it has not once given me the shoe I actually run in. Take that how you will.

    Mechanics

    As a beginner, there’s not much you should have to worry about with your stride and gait. Most fixes in this category are for advanced runners trying to cut a few seconds off their mile or minutes off their marathon. That being said, here are some things to keep in mind:

    -Your foot should hit right under or just in front of your body. If it is hitting way out in front of you, you are over-striding.
    -Your arms should move forward, and not swing across your body. This will keep you from torque-ing out your back, and make it easier to breathe.
    -Keep your shoulders down and relaxed. If your biceps hurt after a run, you are tensing your upper body too much.
    -Foot strike: This refers to which part of your foot physically makes contact with the ground first. Heel, midfoot, or forefoot. are your options. Forefoot striking is very ‘in’ right now, but quite honestly, strike is only one part of the equation. Are you a heel striker? You don’t have to go out of your way to fix this if you aren’t having pain. Some people heel strike. It’s OK. There is no need to overhaul your gait if it works for you. In fact, some people will have higher impact with a forefoot strike, and low impact with a heel strike, depending on their overall mechanics.

    If you want to read more about foot strike – start here: http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/facts-foot-strike

    Cross training

    Any basic running plan will have you out there at least 3 times a week. It is vitally important that you cross train in addition to running. What does this mean? For some, it’s a lower impact form of cardio – like biking or swimming, that will work other parts of the body while giving their running muscles a rest. I prefer strength/resistance training to more cardio.

    Runners often have weak glutes (compounded by tight hip flexors). Working a few days on strength moves such as squats, deadlifts, lunges, and hip thrusters/glute bridges can do wonders for your leg and core strength. It is important not to over-do this. Doing both a progressive running program, and a progressive heavy lifting program at the same time would be challenging for an advanced runner, and would lead to overtraining for a beginner. Often one has to be prioritized over the other. If you are training for a marathon, backing off to bodyweight strength training is probably a wise move. How to schedule your runs and cross training is up to you, but I would advise against putting squat/deadlift day right after or before your long run.

    What do I wear?

    Strike this word from your clothing vocabulary: Cotton. Replace it with this: Wicking. Something that moves moisture away from your skin and dries easily is your friend. You don’t want your clothes to weigh 10lbs more at the end of a run than they do at the start. Good socks are a wise decision. I like Balega. Others will have strong opinions. Do you have strong opinions about socks? Congrats, you are a runner. Body Glide will help prevent chafing. Apply it liberally. It won't ruin clothes the way Vaseline will.

    Ladies – our running shorts will have built-in underwear that is made of wicking fabric. You do not need to wear other underwear. I couldn’t imagine running in grandma panties, or with a thong up in my business. Also, a note about sports bras – get a good one. Larger busted women: I feel your pain, but I promise you, there is a bra out there for you. You do not have to resort to wearing two. I have found success with both Moving Comfort and Under Armour. Both make bras in actual cup sizes.

    Gents – compression shirts and body glide will prevent nipple catastrophe.

    Nutrition

    Obviously, this is going to depend a lot on your personal goals. However, if you want to run, and run well, you need to fuel yourself properly. But here are some general guidelines

    Protein – 1g per pound lean mass. You will see this everywhere. Running will cause you to get micro-tears in your muscles. Your body will respond by repairing these tears, and by building more muscle (you do not get better from running, you get better from recovering from running- though running is a prerequisite). Dietary protein is required for this. Does this mean you need to immediately slam down a protein drink after a 3 mile run or your body will devour itself? No, just make sure to get enough throughout the day.

    Fuel during runs - If you are getting proper nutrition in your everyday life, you do not need to bring extra fuel with you on runs of up to 20 miles. There are a few exceptions to this: 1) If you are planning on using gels/chews/beans during a race, you should see how your system reacts to them in training. 2) If you are training for something like a ultramarathon, where you will need to teach your body to consume solid food while running (but for beginners, we don’t really need to discuss ultras). I use powergels in my races, but I want them to be a boost, not something I depend on, so I won’t use them during training runs. Of course, after 10 years of distance running, I already know how my body reacts to them. For a 5 or 10k, no extra nutrition should be needed. If you’re packing a picnic lunch with you for your 5 mile run, you’re doing it wrong.

    Hydration - also personal. People will argue about this a lot. Some people can go 20 miles entirely fasted, no food or water. I hate going more than 4 miles without water. It’s important to pay attention to how you feel. If you are thirsty, you are drinking water too late. If you are dizzy, experiencing nausea and headaches, getting muscle cramps, etc, you may need to adjust your water intake. It is better to err on the side of hydration, rather than dehydration. However, too much water is also a bad thing. Fuel belts, handheld bottles, and Hyrdation Packs are good ways to carry water with you while doing long runs in heat. I also don’t use Gatorade or any other sports drink. For under an hour run, you don’t really need it anyway. If you are planning on doing a race, and want to use a sports drink, check and see which one they offer, then train with that.

    http://www.runnersworld.com/drinks-hydration/8-hydration-myths-busted
    http://www.runnersworld.com/drinks-hydration/need-refill?page=single

    So, with that massive amount of information, happy running! Others can feel free to chime in with anything I missed. And remember, if you want to argue a point, chances are I already agree with whatever caveat you are bringing up, but this is for a general, beginner audience.

    Thanks so much for all the info...
  • NikolaosKey
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    Amazing article, you pretty much covered the entire topic (I am still searching the promote to general button)
  • blues4miles
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    lynnsyoung164 wrote: »
    lnewtie wrote: »
    There is one piece of information I am searching for. I've never been able to breathe when I try to run. I feel like I'm having a heart attack even at short distances. Is there something I can do that will help this? I would really like to be able to move faster than a brisk walk. Thanks in advance.

    This was me for many years. I heard you say you want to go faster than a brisk walk but I believe you have to slow down. Go so slow that you continue to breath normal and can carry on a conversation. Once I let my breathing get out of control during a run it's almost impossible to get it back without a long break. I was able to go faster just by running more often. Just my experience but maybe worth a try for you.

    Concur. I post in every new runner's thread to tell everyone to slow down. Yes it seems silly and frustrating. Don't worry you will get a lot faster very soon. Slow down to the "talk test" you should be able to carry on a conversation without gasping for breath while you run. Speed will come as you run more and add more miles.

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