7 Days Left on Low carb and fading fast

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  • mdallas6
    mdallas6 Posts: 95 Member
    Who would have thought this post would have recieved such debated conversations?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Who would have thought this post would have recieved such debated conversations?

    Anyone who has been on MFP more than a week.
  • albertabeefy
    albertabeefy Posts: 1,169 Member
    I think it's interesting that the "anti-keto" posters repeatedly say that NOBODY stays on a keto diet long-term, yet dozens and dozens of posters show up and say that they've been doing it long term.

    And so the anti-keto crowd refuses to believe them or acknowledge their existence.

    Myself, I adopted a ketogenic diet in December of 2010. 39 months and counting. I lost 140 lbs on it and maintain excellent (fully normal non-diabetic) glycemic control.

    I'm sure I don't really exist though.

    that's not long enough. If you did it 5 years, that's not long enough either. Apparently, it has to be 10+ years, or longer than the anti keto person who is projecting their negativity's term of success, which ever is longer. Then you might get some acceptance.
    I hear you!

    I followed the advice of Ron Raab - who's the current Vice-President of the International Diabetes Federation and the President of the charity Insulin-for-Life. He has been low-carb since 1998. 16 years.

    http://www.diabetes-low-carb.org/articles/articles-english/1/1-summary-why.html

    I'm sure he doesn't really exist though. ;)

    Just because a few people don't personally know anyone that has been low-carb long-term doesn't mean there's none of us out there. There's 10's of thousands of us.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    I think it's interesting that the "anti-keto" posters repeatedly say that NOBODY stays on a keto diet long-term, yet dozens and dozens of posters show up and say that they've been doing it long term.

    And so the anti-keto crowd refuses to believe them or acknowledge their existence.

    Myself, I adopted a ketogenic diet in December of 2010. 39 months and counting. I lost 140 lbs on it and maintain excellent (fully normal non-diabetic) glycemic control.

    I'm sure I don't really exist though.

    that's not long enough. If you did it 5 years, that's not long enough either. Apparently, it has to be 10+ years, or longer than the anti keto person who is projecting their negativity's term of success, which ever is longer. Then you might get some acceptance.
    Ron Raab - who's the current Vice-President of the International Diabetes Federation and the President of the charity Insulin-for-Life has been low-carb since 1998. 16 years.

    http://www.diabetes-low-carb.org/articles/articles-english/1/1-summary-why.html

    I'm sure he doesn't really exist though. ;)

    Just because a few people don't personally know anyone that has been low-carb long-term doesn't mean there's none of us out there. There's 10's of thousands of us.

    Pretty sure no one said that there are zero people who have been doing low-carb long term.
  • albertabeefy
    albertabeefy Posts: 1,169 Member
    Pretty sure no one said that there are zero people who have been doing low-carb long term.
    True, but there ARE several people (yourself included) that try to dissuade people from choosing it - whether or not you're aware of a medical reason FOR choosing it.

    I personally know HUNDRED'S of diabetics that follow a VLCKD. Some as long as 16 years, some as short as a few months. The average about a year now.

    If someone tries to dissuade a person with insulin-resistance (for whatever reason) from eating a very-low-carb ketogenic diet, and tell them that "you'll just fail" or "you can't eat that way for life" - you do them a disservice if they choose to listen to you and NOT at least TRY the diet that's proven healthiest for them.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Pretty sure no one said that there are zero people who have been doing low-carb long term.
    True, but there ARE several people (yourself included) that try to dissuade people from choosing it - whether or not you're aware of a medical reason FOR choosing it.

    I personally know HUNDRED'S of diabetics that follow a VLCKD. Some as long as 16 years, some as short as a few months. The average about a year now.

    If someone tries to dissuade a person with insulin-resistance (for whatever reason) from eating a very-low-carb ketogenic diet, and tell them that "you'll just fail" or "you can't eat that way for life" - you do them a disservice if they choose to listen to you and NOT at least TRY the diet that's proven healthiest for them.

    Yes, I do try to dissuade people from choosing it.

    Your quotes are not actual quotes, by the way.

    Also not sure anyone in this thread was trying to dissuade a person with insulin resistance from eating a medically-appropriate diet.

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  • albertabeefy
    albertabeefy Posts: 1,169 Member
    Yes, I do try to dissuade people from choosing it.

    Your quotes are not actual quotes, by the way.
    Semantics. The sentiment is the same.
    Also not sure anyone in this thread was trying to dissuade a person with insulin resistance from eating a medically-appropriate diet.
    Whether on this thread, or others - there are most-certainly posts from people suggesting people avoid low-carb WITHOUT knowing if the OP has a medical reason for choosing it.

    If anyone (whether you or someone else) attempts to dissuade a person without having that knowledge, then the DO try to dissuade someone from eating a medically-appropriate diet.

    It happens.

    Often.

    That's the only point I wanted to get across.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Yes, I do try to dissuade people from choosing it.

    Your quotes are not actual quotes, by the way.
    Semantics. The sentiment is the same.
    Also not sure anyone in this thread was trying to dissuade a person with insulin resistance from eating a medically-appropriate diet.
    Whether on this thread, or others - there are most-certainly posts from people suggesting people avoid low-carb WITHOUT knowing if the OP has a medical reason for choosing it.

    If anyone (whether you or someone else) attempts to dissuade a person without having that knowledge, then the DO try to dissuade someone from eating a medically-appropriate diet.

    It happens.

    Often.

    That's the only point I wanted to get across.

    I feel pretty comfortable assuming the person asking for advice would mention any serious diet-related medical condition when asking for advice.
  • albertabeefy
    albertabeefy Posts: 1,169 Member
    I feel pretty comfortable assuming the person asking for advice would mention any serious diet-related medical condition when asking for advice.
    ... and I know from experience people have a tendency - even when seeking treatment and/or medical advice of physicians - to NOT provide relevant medical history; occasionally to their detriment.

    Which is why I'm not comfortable with it.

    Our experience and outlook is different in that regard. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - it's just different.

    With that, adieu good sir. I think this thread needs to die now :)

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