Dairy Alarmism
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...however, if you want to be worried, be worried about Big Brussels Sprouts. now *THAT* is a cabal with truly evil intentions.
thats why we need to eat them quickly before they eat us!
eat brussels sprouts? :noway:
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hippie!
thank you for the compliment
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People have been consuming dairy loooong before the dairy industryI haven't seen anything beyond alarmism and agenda-pushing.
it is in fact the dairy industry that is agenda-pushing by making people believe dairy is good for them. oh the money that can be made off gambling with other peoples health!0 -
People have been consuming dairy loooong before the dairy industryI haven't seen anything beyond alarmism and agenda-pushing.
it is in fact the dairy industry that is agenda-pushing by making people believe dairy is good for them. oh the money that can be made off gambling with other peoples health!
I'm more concerned about the organic vegetable industry pushing vegetables that can kill you. More pesticides please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiostrongylus_cantonensis0 -
yes, when it was all they had, because its better than starving or living on potatoes alone. and from an ethical point of view: back in the day they didnt have mass dairy farms like today. we have unlearned moderation.0
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I'm more concerned about the organic vegetable industry pushing vegetables that can kill you. More pesticides please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiostrongylus_cantonensis
wow thats gross
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That's just downright logical. How dare you bring logic into a MFP forum. Be prepared, the dairy industry plants are about to try and discredit you......My only question about dairy (and I am a huge ice cream lover) is that, at its foremost, it is food intended for a baby cow. Humans, as should come as no surprise, have nutrition requirements that are MILES away from a cow. Take a look at the constituents of bovine milk vs. human milk. It is pretty interesting. Is it the best thing to use dairy products formulated for a species so vastly different from our own? That is what makes me wonder. Of course, not when I eat my appropriate serving of Ben & Jerry's ice cream!
Edited to add: be wary when using the UDSA to evaluate meat and milk. The USDA's mission (at least one of them) is to promote our over-consumption of meat and dairy. That is why our food pyramids, for so long, has pushed meat, dairy, and cheese as particularly healthy. They are all loaded with saturated fats! There is a really good study out there about dairy, but I don't have my notes in front of me. I think it was the Nurses Heart research study or something like that. Try googling it. It is a real an eye opener about dairy.
LOL, more like a downright logical fallacy.0 -
Huh? We've been keeping cattle for thousands of years. We've been drinking milk and eating cheese for those same thousands of years (around 10,000 I believe.) To say that dairy isn't good for us, and to even make the claim that the dairy industry is responsible for people thinking that dairy is healthy, is absolutely laughable.yes, when it was all they had, because its better than starving or living on potatoes alone. and from an ethical point of view: back in the day they didnt have mass dairy farms like today. we have unlearned moderation.
By the time humans were drinking cow's milk, we were an agricultural species, farming crops and growing livestock. It wasn't something that we needed to prevent starving. It was something that we realized we could thrive on, and we know now that it's due to its nearly perfect nutrient ratio.0 -
People have been consuming dairy loooong before the dairy industryI haven't seen anything beyond alarmism and agenda-pushing.
it is in fact the dairy industry that is agenda-pushing by making people believe dairy is good for them. oh the money that can be made off gambling with other peoples health!
I'm more concerned about the organic vegetable industry pushing vegetables that can kill you. More pesticides please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiostrongylus_cantonensis
Or you could, you know, just wash your veggies..... You should be doing that with the pesticides too.0 -
^^^^ See, told ya.
That's just downright logical. How dare you bring logic into a MFP forum. Be prepared, the dairy industry plants are about to try and discredit you......My only question about dairy (and I am a huge ice cream lover) is that, at its foremost, it is food intended for a baby cow. Humans, as should come as no surprise, have nutrition requirements that are MILES away from a cow. Take a look at the constituents of bovine milk vs. human milk. It is pretty interesting. Is it the best thing to use dairy products formulated for a species so vastly different from our own? That is what makes me wonder. Of course, not when I eat my appropriate serving of Ben & Jerry's ice cream!
Edited to add: be wary when using the UDSA to evaluate meat and milk. The USDA's mission (at least one of them) is to promote our over-consumption of meat and dairy. That is why our food pyramids, for so long, has pushed meat, dairy, and cheese as particularly healthy. They are all loaded with saturated fats! There is a really good study out there about dairy, but I don't have my notes in front of me. I think it was the Nurses Heart research study or something like that. Try googling it. It is a real an eye opener about dairy.
LOL, more like a downright logical fallacy.0 -
^^^^ See, told ya.
That's just downright logical. How dare you bring logic into a MFP forum. Be prepared, the dairy industry plants are about to try and discredit you......My only question about dairy (and I am a huge ice cream lover) is that, at its foremost, it is food intended for a baby cow. Humans, as should come as no surprise, have nutrition requirements that are MILES away from a cow. Take a look at the constituents of bovine milk vs. human milk. It is pretty interesting. Is it the best thing to use dairy products formulated for a species so vastly different from our own? That is what makes me wonder. Of course, not when I eat my appropriate serving of Ben & Jerry's ice cream!
Edited to add: be wary when using the UDSA to evaluate meat and milk. The USDA's mission (at least one of them) is to promote our over-consumption of meat and dairy. That is why our food pyramids, for so long, has pushed meat, dairy, and cheese as particularly healthy. They are all loaded with saturated fats! There is a really good study out there about dairy, but I don't have my notes in front of me. I think it was the Nurses Heart research study or something like that. Try googling it. It is a real an eye opener about dairy.
LOL, more like a downright logical fallacy.
Dairy is fine... saturated fat is fine... you've told us nothing.0 -
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Sweet ,my check from the Dairy Farmers of America just arrived in the mail!
So glad I opted for direct deposit. Mine deposited last week. I bought cheese with it!
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/thread LOLa dairy cow ran over my wife and slept with my cat.
so, i'm opposed to dairy.0 -
My only question about dairy (and I am a huge ice cream lover) is that, at its foremost, it is food intended for a baby cow. Humans, as should come as no surprise, have nutrition requirements that are MILES away from a cow. Take a look at the constituents of bovine milk vs. human milk. It is pretty interesting. Is it the best thing to use dairy products formulated for a species so vastly different from our own? That is what makes me wonder. Of course, not when I eat my appropriate serving of Ben & Jerry's ice cream!
Edited to add: be wary when using the UDSA to evaluate meat and milk. The USDA's mission (at least one of them) is to promote our over-consumption of meat and dairy. That is why our food pyramids, for so long, has pushed meat, dairy, and cheese as particularly healthy. They are all loaded with saturated fats! There is a really good study out there about dairy, but I don't have my notes in front of me. I think it was the Nurses Heart research study or something like that. Try googling it. It is a real an eye opener about dairy.
Not sure if anyone has actually answered this question, but I just want to point out that the ratio of milk to other foods in the diets of calfs is also vastly different from our own.
Our diet is not primarily cow's milk.0 -
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No no no, the pro dairy side doesn't give a **** if you want to drink milk or not. The anti dairy side is strongly against anyone drinking milk. Big difference.
Got Milk?
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. If you are, you're wrong*. There's big money promoting dairy, especially milk. The latest TV ads have milk splashing all over stuff. (I'll have to pay more attention next time to see why milk is splattering everywhere.) There's no comparison to the anti dairy industry, mostly because there is no anti dairy industry.
* Maybe you were talking strictly about people on this forum. If so, I'd agree with you for the most part.0 -
People can choose to drink it or not, make a decision and move on. Geez us.0
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No no no, the pro dairy side doesn't give a **** if you want to drink milk or not. The anti dairy side is strongly against anyone drinking milk. Big difference.
Got Milk?
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. If you are, you're wrong*. There's big money promoting dairy, especially milk. The latest TV ads have milk splashing all over stuff. (I'll have to pay more attention next time to see why milk is splattering everywhere.) There's no comparison to the anti dairy industry, mostly because there is no anti dairy industry.
* Maybe you were talking strictly about people on this forum. If so, I'd agree with you for the most part.
In a world where everyone wants the quick fix, telling them that a particular food group is unhealthy placates the need to abscond responsibility. To perpetuate the dillusion that a particular food group is to blame for all their ailments and woes, absconders need others to participate in the dillusion. So there is, in fact, an anti-dairy industry. Otherwise, you would not find anything on the internet declaring milk to be evil. Of course, the individuals putting out this "anti-dairy" information couldn't possibly be making any money... except they are... through internet advertising.0 -
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I won't drink the stuff and haven't in 15 years... it's weird to me. But cheese, yogurt, and ice cream is my friend so I'm a hypocrite. =D
That said... was there really an argument in here about milking a chimp? Cuz shiz just got weird.0 -
So basically parmigiano reggiano should only be consumed by baby cows.......I wonder if only regional cows from points of origin should qualify much like greek yogurt is only consumed by greek cows. It's so confusing.I won't drink the stuff and haven't in 15 years... it's weird to me. But cheese, yogurt, and ice cream is my friend so I'm a hypocrite. =D
That said... was there really an argument in here about milking a chimp? Cuz shiz just got weird.0 -
No no no, the pro dairy side doesn't give a **** if you want to drink milk or not. The anti dairy side is strongly against anyone drinking milk. Big difference.
Got Milk?
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. If you are, you're wrong*. There's big money promoting dairy, especially milk. The latest TV ads have milk splashing all over stuff. (I'll have to pay more attention next time to see why milk is splattering everywhere.) There's no comparison to the anti dairy industry, mostly because there is no anti dairy industry.
* Maybe you were talking strictly about people on this forum. If so, I'd agree with you for the most part.
the pro dairy side on these forums is what i meant. We don't work for dairy and we are not shills....lol
Okay, I thought that might have been it.
And just for the record, I don't think you work for the dairy industry, nor do I think the other people on this thread work for the dairy industry. But . . . .
Don't people from the dairy industry come to MFP, even on a strictly personal, weight-loss-related level? And if they do, wouldn't they tend to promote dairy using some of the dairy industry's best marketing themes?
I'm just sayin'.0 -
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What are you saying exactly? It sounds like your saying milk is harmful to human health and hidden in the limks are milk employee's trying to convince everyone that milk is ok to drink?? If that isn't what your saying why would it be any different than any company that promotes food like cereal companies........do you think they have people planted to endorse cereals as well?No no no, the pro dairy side doesn't give a **** if you want to drink milk or not. The anti dairy side is strongly against anyone drinking milk. Big difference.
Got Milk?
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. If you are, you're wrong*. There's big money promoting dairy, especially milk. The latest TV ads have milk splashing all over stuff. (I'll have to pay more attention next time to see why milk is splattering everywhere.) There's no comparison to the anti dairy industry, mostly because there is no anti dairy industry.
* Maybe you were talking strictly about people on this forum. If so, I'd agree with you for the most part.
the pro dairy side on these forums is what i meant. We don't work for dairy and we are not shills....lol
Okay, I thought that might have been it.
And just for the record, I don't think you work for the dairy industry, nor do I think the other people on this thread work for the dairy industry. But . . . .
Don't people from the dairy industry come to MFP, even on a strictly personal, weight-loss-related level? And if they do, wouldn't they tend to promote dairy using some of the dairy industry's best marketing themes?
I'm just sayin'.0 -
TIL that the dairy industry has plants EVERYWHERE!
I have decided that because they have never said something worthy of hearing, some people don't expect anyone to ever take them seriously.0 -
My doctor told me that 1:4 Europeans can't digest dairy.0
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We are the only mammals on the planet that consume milk after infancy ... and we are the only mammals that consume milk from another mammal. That being said - I like milk and LOVE cheese ... never really thought much about it until I stopped using it. I replaced it with almond milk and feel significantly less bloated and it took about an inch off my waist and hips.
So I like what some others have suggested, just see if not having it works for your goals. But if it is not hurting anything then I dont think there is any 'proof' that you need to give it up!0
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