Paleo?
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One thing I find ironic is that despite the load of flak Paleo gets from all directions, it's still the go-to diet when the s*** totally hits the fan medically speaking and it's do or die.
Got type 2 diabetes? Try to reverse it by going Paleo.
Got Auto-Immune disorder? Doc says try Paleo.
Chronic Inflammation? MD says you could try Paleo.
Morbid Obesity?
Digestive problems?
RA?
Behavioral issues?
Autism ?
Why are we waiting until we (or a loved one) have chronic illness to start reaping the benefits?
How much of this could be avoided if we weren't triggering illness with the Standard American Diet? (I realize some of these are genetic and cannot be cured, but there's a lot of info out there about Paleo helping tremendously reduce symptoms.)
Here's a real life story.
I'm sitting on 3 weeks PTO at work, trying to find a festival or event to vend at during my extended vacation to earn some extra dough for an exotic trip abroad.
Do you know why I'm sitting on 3 weeks PTO?
It's because I'm the only person in my office that doesn't get sick and use their time for sick leave.
So for me... Paleo = trip abroad and extra $$
I do not do Paleo and I only get sick about once a year...so what does that mean?0 -
It means you're healthy without Paleo, and I'm assuming that you've figured out an optimal diet and fitness regimen without Paleo ever being involved.
And it looks like it's working out great for you.
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It means you're healthy without Paleo, and I'm assuming that you've figured out an optimal diet and fitness regimen without Paleo ever being involved.
And it looks like it's working out great for you.
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so you admit you are wrong then? Great...0 -
Not at all. Doctors still recommend Paleo diets to type 2 diabetes patients.
People with other issues are still benefiting from Paleo.
If you're healthy and happy, with no inclination to go Paleo, don't go Paleo.
I was pointing out the irony in the fact that it's the last ditch resort when something goes terribly wrong, while everyone is repeating the mantra "Don't do Paleo unless something is wrong."
There is such a thing as preventative medicine.
I had reactive hypoglycemia in the past (a symptom of pre-diabetes.)
I went Paleo, now it's gone.
When I weighed 245 and had hypoglycemia, I was about a season away from being your next type 2 diabetes patient.
Knowing the diabetes runs in my family, I'm going to stay Paleo to prevent it.
Now I have no symptoms of anything diabetic, and probably never will, because I choose a healing diet that is recommended for type 2 diabetes patients.
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Not at all. Doctors still recommend Paleo diets to type 2 diabetes patients.
People with other issues are still benefiting from Paleo.
If you're healthy and happy, with no inclination to go Paleo, don't go Paleo.
I was pointing out the irony in the fact that it's the last ditch resort when something goes terribly wrong, while everyone is repeating the mantra "Don't do Paleo unless something is wrong."
There is such a thing as preventative medicine.
I had reactive hypoglycemia in the past (a symptom of pre-diabetes.)
I went Paleo, now it's gone.
When I weighed 245 and had hypoglycemia, I was about a season away from being your next type 2 diabetes patient.
Knowing the diabetes runs in my family, I'm going to stay Paleo to prevent it.
Now I have no symptoms of anything diabetic, and probably never will, because I choose a healing diet that is recommended for type 2 diabetes patients.
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Again, you are assuming all this is due to plaeo...0 -
I do assume it's the whole lifestyle, everything that might encompass the term "Primal Living". Working out, drastic dietary alterations, focusing on adequate sleep, focusing on community.
The program I'm most fond of (which I'm sure you already know at this point is the Primal Blueprint) brings it all together for one big holistic make-over.
If you could imagine someone who weighed 245, smoked, drank, depressed, office worker, no exercise ever, even paid someone to clean my house, anti-anxiety pill user with depression and insomnia, high-stress job, kids, and a new dx of reactive hypoglycemia on top of all that etc etc etc go from all that to:
185, still smoke and drink minimally, exercise 2-3 times a week, still work in an office, clean my own house, no meds at all (almost no anxiety/depression/insomia either!), low-to medium stress job, kids and no hypoglycemia at all
then you can imagine how much this lifestyle, and yes, diet, has changed my life for the better.0 -
I do primal and it works for me. I started strict Paleo and felt awesome. It was the only thing I found to help out with the extreme bouts of fatigue I was experiencing (which I now is related to a thyroid disorder). But wanted to see if I could add back in dairy without any adverse effects. There were none for me (no lactose or casein issues apparently), so I eat dairy as well -- generally cheese, cream and butter for cooking, sauces and/or garnish. I'm not much a legume fan, with the exception of peanuts, and I like almonds, macadamias, etc. just as much, if not more, than peanuts, so it's an easy switch. Peanuts are just cheaper and more convenient. Either way, I limit my nuts as a general rule as it's just so easy to overeat them.
I also opt for the 80/20 rule, probably for psychological reasons more than anything else as my diet actually ends up being more like 95/5. But, it feels good to me to have the occasional dark chocolate or something like that if I want to -- takes away the forbidden food idea.
If you really love grains, pasta, bread or legumes, it's probably not a good fit for you. But, if you're like me and those things aren't a big deal (and you end of feeling better not eating them -- which was a big surprise for me), then it can be a good fit. I still love my pasta sauces (I make a mean vodka sauce) and curries -- I just serve them over spaghetti squash or roasted cauliflower now instead of pasta or rice. And, let me tell you, roasted cauliflower is ridiculously filling -- I was sort of shocked by it.
I don't know why people pooh-pooh Paleo/Primal or keto so much on this site. They're all valid paths to the same place -- i.e. healthier living. Some appear to be threatened by the existence of equally valid paths. Still boggles my mind.0 -
I do assume it's the whole lifestyle, everything that might encompass the term "Primal Living". Working out, drastic dietary alterations, focusing on adequate sleep, focusing on community.
The program I'm most fond of (which I'm sure you already know at this point is the Primal Blueprint) brings it all together for one big holistic make-over.
If you could imagine someone who weighed 245, smoked, drank, depressed, office worker, no exercise ever, even paid someone to clean my house, anti-anxiety pill user with depression and insomnia, high-stress job, kids, and a new dx of reactive hypoglycemia on top of all that etc etc etc go from all that to:
185, still smoke and drink minimally, exercise 2-3 times a week, still work in an office, clean my own house, no meds at all (almost no anxiety/depression/insomia either!), low-to medium stress job, kids and no hypoglycemia at all
then you can imagine how much this lifestyle, and yes, diet, has changed my life for the better.
I think it's great that you achieved all of this. I am just wondering, what about losing weight, reducing stress and getting adequate is sleep is intrinsically paleo/primal?0 -
I do assume it's the whole lifestyle, everything that might encompass the term "Primal Living". Working out, drastic dietary alterations, focusing on adequate sleep, focusing on community.
The program I'm most fond of (which I'm sure you already know at this point is the Primal Blueprint) brings it all together for one big holistic make-over.
If you could imagine someone who weighed 245, smoked, drank, depressed, office worker, no exercise ever, even paid someone to clean my house, anti-anxiety pill user with depression and insomnia, high-stress job, kids, and a new dx of reactive hypoglycemia on top of all that etc etc etc go from all that to:
185, still smoke and drink minimally, exercise 2-3 times a week, still work in an office, clean my own house, no meds at all (almost no anxiety/depression/insomia either!), low-to medium stress job, kids and no hypoglycemia at all
then you can imagine how much this lifestyle, and yes, diet, has changed my life for the better.
I think it's great that you achieved all of this. I am just wondering, what about losing weight, reducing stress and getting adequate is sleep is intrinsically paleo/primal?
They're part of the plan endorsed by Primal. So, they're intrinsic to that plan, but certainly not exclusive to that plan.0 -
I do assume it's the whole lifestyle, everything that might encompass the term "Primal Living". Working out, drastic dietary alterations, focusing on adequate sleep, focusing on community.
The program I'm most fond of (which I'm sure you already know at this point is the Primal Blueprint) brings it all together for one big holistic make-over.
If you could imagine someone who weighed 245, smoked, drank, depressed, office worker, no exercise ever, even paid someone to clean my house, anti-anxiety pill user with depression and insomnia, high-stress job, kids, and a new dx of reactive hypoglycemia on top of all that etc etc etc go from all that to:
185, still smoke and drink minimally, exercise 2-3 times a week, still work in an office, clean my own house, no meds at all (almost no anxiety/depression/insomia either!), low-to medium stress job, kids and no hypoglycemia at all
then you can imagine how much this lifestyle, and yes, diet, has changed my life for the better.
I think it's great that you achieved all of this. I am just wondering, what about losing weight, reducing stress and getting adequate is sleep is intrinsically paleo/primal?
They're part of the plan endorsed by Primal. So, they're intrinsic to that plan, but certainly not exclusive to that plan.
I just can't.0 -
I do assume it's the whole lifestyle, everything that might encompass the term "Primal Living". Working out, drastic dietary alterations, focusing on adequate sleep, focusing on community.
The program I'm most fond of (which I'm sure you already know at this point is the Primal Blueprint) brings it all together for one big holistic make-over.
If you could imagine someone who weighed 245, smoked, drank, depressed, office worker, no exercise ever, even paid someone to clean my house, anti-anxiety pill user with depression and insomnia, high-stress job, kids, and a new dx of reactive hypoglycemia on top of all that etc etc etc go from all that to:
185, still smoke and drink minimally, exercise 2-3 times a week, still work in an office, clean my own house, no meds at all (almost no anxiety/depression/insomia either!), low-to medium stress job, kids and no hypoglycemia at all
then you can imagine how much this lifestyle, and yes, diet, has changed my life for the better.
I think it's great that you achieved all of this. I am just wondering, what about losing weight, reducing stress and getting adequate is sleep is intrinsically paleo/primal?
They're part of the plan endorsed by Primal. So, they're intrinsic to that plan, but certainly not exclusive to that plan.
Agreed, the diet focus more on overall health and fitness than just weight lose.0 -
I think it's great that you achieved all of this. I am just wondering, what about losing weight, reducing stress and getting adequate is sleep is intrinsically paleo/primal?
They're part of the plan endorsed by Primal. So, they're intrinsic to that plan, but certainly not exclusive to that plan.
wow
just. wow.
so after googling- and at the risk of sounding stupid- I have no idea what that is. Typically I call it the sea food diet. but you know if you must give it a name- I guess sure I"ll take that one too.So you're on a MDMR diet?
I personally don't feel the need to label the way I eat- it's not necessary since I have no restrictions other than not eating to much. I just tell people "I'm cutting" Or "I'm bulking" and they can get it or not get it but I'm not going on a 20 minute discussion explaining why on Tuesday I ate oreo's and ice cream and on Wednesday I only ate chicken and veggies.
not worth it.0 -
I think it's great that you achieved all of this. I am just wondering, what about losing weight, reducing stress and getting adequate is sleep is intrinsically paleo/primal?
They're part of the plan endorsed by Primal. So, they're intrinsic to that plan, but certainly not exclusive to that plan.
wow
just. wow.
so after googling- and at the risk of sounding stupid- I have no idea what that is. Typically I call it the sea food diet. but you know if you must give it a name- I guess sure I"ll take that one too.So you're on a MDMR diet?
I personally don't feel the need to label the way I eat- it's not necessary since I have no restrictions other than not eating to much. I just tell people "I'm cutting" Or "I'm bulking" and they can get it or not get it but I'm not going on a 20 minute discussion explaining why on Tuesday I ate oreo's and ice cream and on Wednesday I only ate chicken and veggies.
not worth it.
There's better things to worry about. You only need to give it a name if you want other people to join you.0 -
The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.0
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The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.
what's there to discuss? I eat a lot of chicken and veggies and ice cream and oreos and beer and water.
I eat above or below maintenance for cutting or bulking- why do I need a label- I'm not a group- I didn't join a group- this isn't a group thing.
not EVERYTHING needs a label.0 -
The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.
One of the issues people have with Paleo, though, is that there doesn't seem to be a consistent standard or definition.0 -
The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.
One of the issues people have with Paleo, though, is that there doesn't seem to be a consistent standard or definition.
The funny part is that it only seems to be the people who are against it that have this issue. I've never seen anyone that is actually pro-primal or paleo care about it one way or the other. I certainly don't. I understand the label and flexibility with them. It's not really that difficult.0 -
The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.
One of the issues people have with Paleo, though, is that there doesn't seem to be a consistent standard or definition.
The funny part is that it only seems to be the people who are against it that have this issue. I've never seen anyone that is actually pro-primal or paleo care about it one way or the other. I certainly don't. I understand the label and flexibility with them. It's not really that difficult.
So...are legumes in or out?0 -
The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.
One of the issues people have with Paleo, though, is that there doesn't seem to be a consistent standard or definition.
The funny part is that it only seems to be the people who are against it that have this issue. I've never seen anyone that is actually pro-primal or paleo care about it one way or the other. I certainly don't. I understand the label and flexibility with them. It's not really that difficult.
clearly you have never been on a paleo board.
the paleo police- they are real- and they are serious.0 -
The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.
One of the issues people have with Paleo, though, is that there doesn't seem to be a consistent standard or definition.
The funny part is that it only seems to be the people who are against it that have this issue. I've never seen anyone that is actually pro-primal or paleo care about it one way or the other. I certainly don't. I understand the label and flexibility with them. It's not really that difficult.
clearly you have never been on a paleo board.
the paleo police- they are real- and they are serious.
I don't doubt they exist. Zealots come in every variety.
Just on MFP, I haven't seen them AT ALL. Only that ANTI-Paleo police. Makes me chuckle.0 -
The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.
One of the issues people have with Paleo, though, is that there doesn't seem to be a consistent standard or definition.
The funny part is that it only seems to be the people who are against it that have this issue. I've never seen anyone that is actually pro-primal or paleo care about it one way or the other. I certainly don't. I understand the label and flexibility with them. It's not really that difficult.
So...are legumes in or out?
Generally, they're out.0 -
The name just also makes it easier to discuss. For those that already understand the definition, it's just easier. Sort of the whole point of labels in the first place.
One of the issues people have with Paleo, though, is that there doesn't seem to be a consistent standard or definition.
The funny part is that it only seems to be the people who are against it that have this issue. I've never seen anyone that is actually pro-primal or paleo care about it one way or the other. I certainly don't. I understand the label and flexibility with them. It's not really that difficult.
clearly you have never been on a paleo board.
the paleo police- they are real- and they are serious.
I don't doubt they exist. Zealots come in every variety.
Just on MFP, I haven't seen them AT ALL. Only that ANTI-Paleo police. Makes me chuckle.
None of the Paleo/Primal people I know behave the way the Paleo/Primal people do here on MFP when discussing the subject.0 -
I think it's great that you achieved all of this. I am just wondering, what about losing weight, reducing stress and getting adequate is sleep is intrinsically paleo/primal?
They're part of the plan endorsed by Primal. So, they're intrinsic to that plan, but certainly not exclusive to that plan.
wow
just. wow.
so after googling- and at the risk of sounding stupid- I have no idea what that is. Typically I call it the sea food diet. but you know if you must give it a name- I guess sure I"ll take that one too.So you're on a MDMR diet?
I personally don't feel the need to label the way I eat- it's not necessary since I have no restrictions other than not eating to much. I just tell people "I'm cutting" Or "I'm bulking" and they can get it or not get it but I'm not going on a 20 minute discussion explaining why on Tuesday I ate oreo's and ice cream and on Wednesday I only ate chicken and veggies.
not worth it.
Lol
You mentioned you didn't follow any particular diet plan you just did what worked for you!
Sorry it's just something I made up - MDMR - My Diet, My Rules.
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I do assume it's the whole lifestyle, everything that might encompass the term "Primal Living". Working out, drastic dietary alterations, focusing on adequate sleep, focusing on community.
The program I'm most fond of (which I'm sure you already know at this point is the Primal Blueprint) brings it all together for one big holistic make-over.
If you could imagine someone who weighed 245, smoked, drank, depressed, office worker, no exercise ever, even paid someone to clean my house, anti-anxiety pill user with depression and insomnia, high-stress job, kids, and a new dx of reactive hypoglycemia on top of all that etc etc etc go from all that to:
185, still smoke and drink minimally, exercise 2-3 times a week, still work in an office, clean my own house, no meds at all (almost no anxiety/depression/insomia either!), low-to medium stress job, kids and no hypoglycemia at all
then you can imagine how much this lifestyle, and yes, diet, has changed my life for the better.
the guy that did the twinkie diet lost weight and had improved health markers based on blood work ....so I saw the twinkie diet is superior to Paleo ...you know because it worked for him, so it must work for everyone then, right?0 -
I find the "verbal gymnastics" that people do to fit paleo into their lifestyle rather amusing...Like well I am going to do Paleo 80% of the time during the week, but then on weekends I will have a "non-paleo day" and then be back at it on Monday"
or how there are like thirty different variations of it..
all rather amusing...
Assuming there were any benefits to Paleo, why the heck would you not just commit to it 100%?0 -
I find the "verbal gymnastics" that people do to fit paleo into their lifestyle rather amusing...Like well I am going to do Paleo 80% of the time during the week, but then on weekends I will have a "non-paleo day" and then be back at it on Monday"
or how there are like thirty different variations of it..
all rather amusing...
Assuming there were any benefits to Paleo, why the heck would you not just commit to it 100%?
80/20 or 90/10 clean eaters/paleo people arguing with IIFYMers advocating mostly whole food arguments are the best. It's like taking a colorblind person and making her explain that his grass isn't green...0 -
I find the "verbal gymnastics" that people do to fit paleo into their lifestyle rather amusing...Like well I am going to do Paleo 80% of the time during the week, but then on weekends I will have a "non-paleo day" and then be back at it on Monday"
or how there are like thirty different variations of it..
all rather amusing...
Assuming there were any benefits to Paleo, why the heck would you not just commit to it 100%?
Well if you are following primal then the 80/20 rule is part of the diet. You would not be following the diet properly if you didn't. (Exaggeration by the way).
But the mac daddy Sissons does build a 80/20 rule so if we do choose to go off reservation you don't loose your primal card (only mentioned that because you seem to think that's the only reason people choose to follow it).0 -
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I've heard of people being quite aggressive about their Paleo diets, and that really turning others off.
I've never experienced this at all. I have a relatively large group of Paleo friends, and while we "talk" about it, we don't get horrible with each other.
But there are many times it comes up in daily life, maybe if someone offers me some birthday cake.
I prefer a simple "No thanks."
No one needs a lesson in Primal living, and many people are downright offended by it.
My sister has accused me of "shoving it down her throat" but it's really a reflection of her gaining a lot of weight while I'm cheery as can be and excitedly rambling and losing fat consistently.
Part of me wants to grab sister by the shoulders and tell her all the awesomeness, but sister really doesn't want to hear it, and doesn't get excited about it, and has negative emotional connections with food and weight loss at the moment.
I've noticed when I'm with my Paleo BF we really unintentionally come across as "holier than thou" because we feed excitement off of each other about our Paleo diets and can completely derail a dinner conversation into a lesson in Primal living in no time without even realizing it.
If someone asks, or is Paleo, well, they opened the door so I come crashing in like the kool-aid man, but if they are not even remotely the kind of persons who give a crap about diet and exercise, I would really keep it all to yourself and just say "No thanks."0 -
Pros: Mostly whole, minimally processed foods
Cons:
-Arbitrary food restriction
-Eating according to a silly title
-No benefits of grains, legumes, and dairy
These are facts. Food choice, energy levels, etc will come down to the individual's preference and how they respond.
10/10. Absolutely correct.0
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