Fat Positivity?
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I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So, you don't respect people because they don't conform to your standards of self worth. That sounds totally legit.
^This
Not to mention the fact that there are a plethora of psycho-social factors that impact obesity.......0 -
Dudes - WiiFit was one of the trolls attacking Trog's thread yesterday. Not worth responding to.
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Yeah, I see a lot of this and it's just backlash. Weight control is a real issue for a lot of people and I would never criticize someone for being overweight, especially if they were making an effort to begin taking better care of themselves and to become more health-conscious. But there are a lot of people out there who would rather find excuses because they either don't believe they can lose weight, or don't want to change a bad habit.
IMO anything that promotes an unhealthy lifestyle is bad. 'Thinspiration' is bad and so is obesity glorification because both of these things are encouraging people to abuse instead of nurture their bodies.
Unhealthy isn't biologically attractive to other people no matter what it looks like. And beyond the superficial aspect, it doesn't feel good.
I think it's so true and so sad what you said - and I believe you hit the nail on the head. I don't know how to bold statements so I'll repeat my belief "THere are a lot of people out there who would rather find excuseses because they either don't believe they can lose weight..."
I firmly believe that a large number of people who are overweight or obese (or even people who want to be more toned, or gain a few pounds, etc) don't try because they don't believe in themselves enough to do it. OR they don't believe they are worth the effort. I only have like 5-10 pounds left to lose and it's at this point that I've started questioning whether or not I'm worth it to put that work in. It's such a mental struggle.
I have an obese friend who doesn't think she can lose weight because she doesn't know anything other than what she's been doing and how she's been eating for years.
Anyone CAN do it but the first step is believing they are worth working for
I was fat for three years because my metabolism had changed so every time I tried to portion control, I'd undereat and binge. MFP gave me the tools to figure out what "enough" looked like.
It wasn't self control, or willpower, or caring about myself or "really wanting it" and I really don't care who I disgusted when I felt sad and helpless and gave up and ate. Making negative judgements about my weight didn't help either.
When I got the knowledge and tools, I was able to make positive changes. It's that simple. Some people need the extra step of believing that they can, because they've had their credibility trashed by one too many failed diets. How can I judge them for that?0 -
I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So, you don't respect people because they don't conform to your standards of self worth. That sounds totally legit.
^This
Not to mention the fact that there are a plethora of psycho-social factors that impact obesity.......
Also I seriously doubt obese people working out or trying want your "love".
One of the best blog posts ever to appear on MFP: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/delicious_cocktail/view/fat-girl-running-6154790 -
I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
I'm always impressed by people so willing to let their true colors shine through.0 -
I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So, you don't respect people because they don't conform to your standards of self worth. That sounds totally legit.
^This
Not to mention the fact that there are a plethora of psycho-social factors that impact obesity.......
Also I seriously doubt obese people working out or trying want your "love".
One of the best blog posts ever to appear on MFP: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/delicious_cocktail/view/fat-girl-running-615479
OMG. I loved Flintland's post, but that is awesome.0 -
Yeah, I see a lot of this and it's just backlash. Weight control is a real issue for a lot of people and I would never criticize someone for being overweight, especially if they were making an effort to begin taking better care of themselves and to become more health-conscious. But there are a lot of people out there who would rather find excuses because they either don't believe they can lose weight, or don't want to change a bad habit.
IMO anything that promotes an unhealthy lifestyle is bad. 'Thinspiration' is bad and so is obesity glorification because both of these things are encouraging people to abuse instead of nurture their bodies.
Unhealthy isn't biologically attractive to other people no matter what it looks like. And beyond the superficial aspect, it doesn't feel good.
I think it's so true and so sad what you said - and I believe you hit the nail on the head. I don't know how to bold statements so I'll repeat my belief "THere are a lot of people out there who would rather find excuseses because they either don't believe they can lose weight..."
I firmly believe that a large number of people who are overweight or obese (or even people who want to be more toned, or gain a few pounds, etc) don't try because they don't believe in themselves enough to do it. OR they don't believe they are worth the effort. I only have like 5-10 pounds left to lose and it's at this point that I've started questioning whether or not I'm worth it to put that work in. It's such a mental struggle.
I have an obese friend who doesn't think she can lose weight because she doesn't know anything other than what she's been doing and how she's been eating for years.
Anyone CAN do it but the first step is believing they are worth working for
I was fat for three years because my metabolism had changed so every time I tried to portion control, I'd undereat and binge. MFP gave me the tools to figure out what "enough" looked like.
It wasn't self control, or willpower, or caring about myself or "really wanting it" and I really don't care who I disgusted when I felt sad and helpless and gave up and ate. Making negative judgements about my weight didn't help either.
When I got the knowledge and tools, I was able to make positive changes. It's that simple. Some people need the extra step of believing that they can, because they've had their credibility trashed by one too many failed diets. How can I judge them for that?
You also make a very very good point - that many people just don't know how much they should be eating. My husband has single digit body fat percentage and knew close to nothing about calories until he met calorie-obsessed me. He never really needed to lose weight, so it didn't matter to him, but trying to explain calories to him makes me want to scream. A lot. I'm 5'10", 180, and go to the gym 6 days a week. I burn a lot of f'ng calories. Even if I eat 1500 calories a day he thinks I should still eat less to lose weight - doh! it KILLS me!
My point is one that I missed and you threw in there and I appreciate it because it's often forgotten - by myself included. IF people WANT to change. IF people believe they can lose weight or whatever their goal may be, they still need the tools to do it.
However, going back to the very original point - i am so so so so happy that people of any size can love their bodies and I wish I loved mine - I can't pretend to overlook the fact that obesity increases the risk for several diseases so it is not without risk. I know I carry a greater risk myself as I carry fat around my abdomen.
Love yourself at any size, but be aware of any health risks associated with your weight (whether under or over)
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what the shet is going on here? in the fat POSITIVITY thread? lol.0
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Yeah, I see a lot of this and it's just backlash. Weight control is a real issue for a lot of people and I would never criticize someone for being overweight, especially if they were making an effort to begin taking better care of themselves and to become more health-conscious. But there are a lot of people out there who would rather find excuses because they either don't believe they can lose weight, or don't want to change a bad habit.
IMO anything that promotes an unhealthy lifestyle is bad. 'Thinspiration' is bad and so is obesity glorification because both of these things are encouraging people to abuse instead of nurture their bodies.
Unhealthy isn't biologically attractive to other people no matter what it looks like. And beyond the superficial aspect, it doesn't feel good.
I think it's so true and so sad what you said - and I believe you hit the nail on the head. I don't know how to bold statements so I'll repeat my belief "THere are a lot of people out there who would rather find excuseses because they either don't believe they can lose weight..."
I firmly believe that a large number of people who are overweight or obese (or even people who want to be more toned, or gain a few pounds, etc) don't try because they don't believe in themselves enough to do it. OR they don't believe they are worth the effort. I only have like 5-10 pounds left to lose and it's at this point that I've started questioning whether or not I'm worth it to put that work in. It's such a mental struggle.
I have an obese friend who doesn't think she can lose weight because she doesn't know anything other than what she's been doing and how she's been eating for years.
Anyone CAN do it but the first step is believing they are worth working for
I was fat for three years because my metabolism had changed so every time I tried to portion control, I'd undereat and binge. MFP gave me the tools to figure out what "enough" looked like.
It wasn't self control, or willpower, or caring about myself or "really wanting it" and I really don't care who I disgusted when I felt sad and helpless and gave up and ate. Making negative judgements about my weight didn't help either.
When I got the knowledge and tools, I was able to make positive changes. It's that simple. Some people need the extra step of believing that they can, because they've had their credibility trashed by one too many failed diets. How can I judge them for that?
You also make a very very good point - that many people just don't know how much they should be eating. My husband has single digit body fat percentage and knew close to nothing about calories until he met calorie-obsessed me. He never really needed to lose weight, so it didn't matter to him, but trying to explain calories to him makes me want to scream. A lot. I'm 5'10", 180, and go to the gym 6 days a week. I burn a lot of f'ng calories. Even if I eat 1500 calories a day he thinks I should still eat less to lose weight - doh! it KILLS me!
My point is one that I missed and you threw in there and I appreciate it because it's often forgotten - by myself included. IF people WANT to change. IF people believe they can lose weight or whatever their goal may be, they still need the tools to do it.
However, going back to the very original point - i am so so so so happy that people of any size can love their bodies and I wish I loved mine - I can't pretend to overlook the fact that obesity increases the risk for several diseases so it is not without risk. I know I carry a greater risk myself as I carry fat around my abdomen.
Love yourself at any size, but be aware of any health risks associated with your weight (whether under or over)
I've stopped making sense
When I first started on MFP, my husband was like "You eat so much food. Have you tried just eating watermelon?"
Actually, over the last year and a half (and I'm an apple too), I've begun to see being sedentary as a MUCH bigger issue than body fat. The research is pretty clear on the health risks of inactivity and a little more muddied on body composition and diet.0 -
what the shet is going on here? in the fat POSITIVITY thread? lol.
Haters will hate.0 -
I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
"they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me."
Wow.
Just...
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i am pretty sad that i have a cold today because i was planning to get together with a friend to take bikini shots of my overweight body as is. i was gonna post it somewhere so i could refer to it later. no doubt some of my friends would have said kind things and managed to find some beauty somewhere in the lbs that are me right now. that would in no way have led to my acceptance of my current state as acceptable or okay or ultimately healthy. even if every single person "accepted" my fat as is, and said "*kitten*" or "would bang" all over the place the bottom line is I still have weight to lose.
I probably fall into the category neandermagnon described of a "chubby" person who can do more than some of my "thinner" but apparently less healthy counterparts. I wish I could do more though, and the aesthetic is a goal for me as well. i can accept that men find me attractive as is, and that on not sick days I can be satisfied with my hair and makeup tricks and clothing choices. accepting myself now and having days I feel downright "pretty" a la natalie wood does NOT mean I cannot continue to strive for/desire to be healthier or thinner. anyone who thinks they are mutually exclusive is misguided and might do well to include some psychology and philosophy/logic courses in their pre med education.0 -
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I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
Wow.
You seem like a really nice person.:flowerforyou:
I am not nice about some things this is one of them sorry.
Why bother apologizing?0 -
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So if you just met me and didn't know I spend 7 hours at the gym weekly and cycle as much as possible you would automatically be repulsed? Seems a bit shallow..
edit cause quotes are all messed up...
That's exactly what they're saying. Your physical appearance is the only thing that matters to them, because obviously appearance=health and everyone has to adhere strictly to their idea of 'respecting yourself'.0 -
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I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So if you just met me and didn't know I spend 7 hours at the gym weekly and cycle as much as possible you would automatically be repulsed? Seems a bit shallow..
edit cause quotes are all messed up...
That's exactly what they're saying. Your physical appearance is the only thing that matters to them, because obviously appearance=health and everyone has to adhere strictly to their idea of 'respecting yourself'.
Who's "they" that you are referring to when the person above was, I thought, responding to an individual quote....?0 -
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So if you just met me and didn't know I spend 7 hours at the gym weekly and cycle as much as possible you would automatically be repulsed? Seems a bit shallow..
edit cause quotes are all messed up...
That's exactly what they're saying. Your physical appearance is the only thing that matters to them, because obviously appearance=health and everyone has to adhere strictly to their idea of 'respecting yourself'.
ok just wanted to check... I thought people like this were just a made up story to scare kids..0 -
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So if you just met me and didn't know I spend 7 hours at the gym weekly and cycle as much as possible you would automatically be repulsed? Seems a bit shallow..
edit cause quotes are all messed up...
That's exactly what they're saying. Your physical appearance is the only thing that matters to them, because obviously appearance=health and everyone has to adhere strictly to their idea of 'respecting yourself'.
ok just wanted to check... I thought people like this were just a made up story to scare kids..
Sadly there's worse people than that in the world
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Well Said!0
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idonn'tgetit?0 -
I agree. It really annoys me that they boast and credit their obesities. I am all for loving who you are and I know that we are all built differently but nobody is born to be obese.
It's mean to slim people sometimes because they mock people who watch what they eat and who maybe have small hips and say they're not real women but again, nobody is perfect and some people are just petite. Hurting their feelings isn't OK just because you're fat.
If slim people had a facebook page or whatever called 'Love your slim body' and people boasting about how slim they are and how they never want to gain weight and love being a size 8/10, overweight people would be seriously offended. And maybe they should be, but so should health conscious slim people that fat people mock.
However the truth of the matter is that nobody loves or even likes being obese and these sites are an attempt to cover up their pain. I know somebody very close to me who is very overweight and hates it, she is always trying to lose weight and she's a member of a site like that. I think it's about knowing you're not alone and in a way it's a good thing because most people eat more and give up on appearance even more so when they're down. So if these things motivate them and keep their spirits up, then maybe that won't happen.0 -
I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
Are you equally repulsed by thin people who stuff their faces with garbage? Cause I just ate a sliced up hot dog, tater tots, covered in chili and sour cream.
I would totally dig being repulsed by you.0 -
I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
Wow.
You seem like a really nice person.:flowerforyou:
I am not nice about some things this is one of them sorry.
If your son became obese, would you hate him? Would you think he was gross and lose all respect for him?0 -
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So if you just met me and didn't know I spend 7 hours at the gym weekly and cycle as much as possible you would automatically be repulsed? Seems a bit shallow..
edit cause quotes are all messed up...
That's exactly what they're saying. Your physical appearance is the only thing that matters to them, because obviously appearance=health and everyone has to adhere strictly to their idea of 'respecting yourself'.
Them, they, their.
Victim, much?0 -
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So if you just met me and didn't know I spend 7 hours at the gym weekly and cycle as much as possible you would automatically be repulsed? Seems a bit shallow..
edit cause quotes are all messed up...
That's exactly what they're saying. Your physical appearance is the only thing that matters to them, because obviously appearance=health and everyone has to adhere strictly to their idea of 'respecting yourself'.
Them, they, their.
Victim, much?
Well I'm not going to say I am I? Since it's THEM saying it not me.0 -
I don't even know what's going on here anymore.
For the record, when I see an overweight person eating french fries, I think "man, i want some french fries".0 -
I don't even know what's going on here anymore.
For the record, when I see an overweight person eating french fries, I think "man, i want some french fries".
Damn it!
Now I want french fries.
I just had tater tots.
Ugh.0 -
I am fat right now... will for for sometime as I lose this weight. I happen to like my body now more so than I did 50lbs ago. Is that Fat Acceptance? Depends on who you ask. If you ask me I just am happy with who I am right now and who I will be in the future...Phuck what yah heard!0
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Fat girl is hangry.I don't agree with bashing people of ANY body type. When you're fat, especially VERY fat, you face loads of discrimination. Those types of problems shouldn't be fixed by losing weight, they should be fixed by changing society so we're not seeing fat people as not being worthy of respect.
This.
Double-this.
I no longer have respect for obese people. I am not talking the ones in the gym and out walking and eating right and really trying, I LOVE those obese people.
The ones that continue to stuff their face with garbage repulse me because they have lost respect for themselves and that is what makes them gross to me.
I will not accept the fat acceptance movement but I will accept trying to turn yourself around. Once you lose sight of yourself you lose my interest. I don't have time to invest in people who don't invest in themselves.
So, you don't respect people because they don't conform to your standards of self worth. That sounds totally legit.
^This
Not to mention the fact that there are a plethora of psycho-social factors that impact obesity.......
Also I seriously doubt obese people working out or trying want your "love".
One of the best blog posts ever to appear on MFP: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/delicious_cocktail/view/fat-girl-running-615479
(but I should be ok after a snack and lifting)0
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