2 year plateau and confused about differences in calories

Nice2BFitAgain

Okay, I really am done with this.

I have not shot down anyone's advice and I am sure that a food scale would help.

My snark was because people were being nasty and making (I thought) incorrect judgements about me as people have done my entire life.

One doctor, insistent that I was a diabetic only because I was overweight, put me on Metformin. Grossly incorrect with her diagnosis, I ended up sick for two years and hypoglycemic as a result. Again, a judgement about me that was wrong.

I am sorry if I seemed snarky, but I am immensely frustrated and the same old, "you're eating too much" is how I ended up here in the first place.

I was eating so little when I was in my last production I couldn't even fight off a virus.

My apologies to everyone who thought I was shunning their recs, because I'm not. I was merely trying to explain my situation.

I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

I'm out. Think what you want to of me.

Well, if you want to lose weight, it is! At least we figured out why you can't lose :flowerforyou:

Yes, You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just saying this in the first place: I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

If you don't put the time in to it, it won't work. PERIOD.

I don't think that's the entire answer, but thanks.
You didn't have to respond.

:sick: I gave you a better answer a few pages ago - you didn't like that one either..... I don't think you'll like anyone's response.

I think you should add psychiatrist to the list of doctors you need to see along with the Endo and GP.....

sunshinesoprano

I did what she said and it didn't work. I am not sure what the heck you don't understand about that.

Again, the OB/GYN??

Really, if you had cancer or something wouldn't you go to 10 different doctors 20? Go across the country to find something that would work? Why wouldn't you go see a dietary specialist and an endocrinologist?

She was the one who started me on the plan. I didn't really ask for it.

sunshinesoprano

Okay, I really am done with this.

I have not shot down anyone's advice and I am sure that a food scale would help.

My snark was because people were being nasty and making (I thought) incorrect judgements about me as people have done my entire life.

One doctor, insistent that I was a diabetic only because I was overweight, put me on Metformin. Grossly incorrect with her diagnosis, I ended up sick for two years and hypoglycemic as a result. Again, a judgement about me that was wrong.

I am sorry if I seemed snarky, but I am immensely frustrated and the same old, "you're eating too much" is how I ended up here in the first place.

I was eating so little when I was in my last production I couldn't even fight off a virus.

My apologies to everyone who thought I was shunning their recs, because I'm not. I was merely trying to explain my situation.

I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

I'm out. Think what you want to of me.

Well, if you want to lose weight, it is! At least we figured out why you can't lose :flowerforyou:

Yes, You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just saying this in the first place: I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

If you don't put the time in to it, it won't work. PERIOD.

I don't think that's the entire answer, but thanks.
You didn't have to respond.

:sick: I gave you a better answer a few pages ago - you didn't like that one either..... I don't think you'll like anyone's response.

I think you should add psychiatrist to the list of doctors you need to see along with the Endo and GP.....

It's not that I don't like anyone's answer. All I am saying is I know that eating 1200 calories a day is NOT the answer for me and all sorts of assumptions are being made.

I really wish I hadn't started this thread.

And really...a psych..that's not nice.

WBB55

If you have time to drive to Fazolli's, you have time to make a meal.

I know you don't FEEL like cooking. But trust me, you have time. You really, truly, honestly, cross-my-heart, do. For me to make my lunch salads for the ENTIRE week, takes me less time than it takes waiting for a waitress to bring me back my change at a restaurant.

I was doing things after work and it was late in the day and I was close to that place and it was what my Mother wanted.

... Now it's your mom's fault that you eat out? ... ?

You're not ready to do the hard work that it takes to lose weight. It's that simple. Maybe in a couple months you'll be ready.

According to you, it's everyone's fault but yours. So do exactly what you're doing and stay fat. No one but you cares if you're fat.

patsypooter

I would recommend kicking the Diet Coke habit. DO some reading about Diet Coke and how it can effect people. It might be farting with your weight loss.

Also I would really recommend making home cooked meals from now on. It is not hard at all to eat healthy at home. I know you are probably a very busy person but just make the time each week to make food. Even just one day a week of cooking means you can make enough for the rest of the week.

I wish you luck. Weight loss is not an easy journey.

Also if you are eating a lot of frozen and prepackaged foods they will contain a lot of sodium. Cut those and see if your weight loss starts again.

PikaKnight

Okay, I really am done with this.

I have not shot down anyone's advice and I am sure that a food scale would help.

My snark was because people were being nasty and making (I thought) incorrect judgements about me as people have done my entire life.

One doctor, insistent that I was a diabetic only because I was overweight, put me on Metformin. Grossly incorrect with her diagnosis, I ended up sick for two years and hypoglycemic as a result. Again, a judgement about me that was wrong.

I am sorry if I seemed snarky, but I am immensely frustrated and the same old, "you're eating too much" is how I ended up here in the first place.

I was eating so little when I was in my last production I couldn't even fight off a virus.

My apologies to everyone who thought I was shunning their recs, because I'm not. I was merely trying to explain my situation.

I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

I'm out. Think what you want to of me.

Well, if you want to lose weight, it is! At least we figured out why you can't lose :flowerforyou:

Yes, You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just saying this in the first place: I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

If you don't put the time in to it, it won't work. PERIOD.

I don't think that's the entire answer, but thanks.
You didn't have to respond.

:sick: I gave you a better answer a few pages ago - you didn't like that one either..... I don't think you'll like anyone's response.

I think you should add psychiatrist to the list of doctors you need to see along with the Endo and GP.....

It's not that I don't like anyone's answer. All I am saying is I know that eating 1200 calories a day is NOT the answer for me and all sorts of assumptions are being made.

I really wish I hadn't started this thread.

And really...a psych..that's not nice.

They weren't suggesting that as an insult and I have to agree. Maybe seeking therapy would be more beneficial for you right now.

LolBroScience

Oh brother...

Accountability = Nonextistent.

Open your diary. I know you already posted a two day snapshot of your eating habits with no weights.

firstsip

Okay, I really am done with this.

I have not shot down anyone's advice and I am sure that a food scale would help.

My snark was because people were being nasty and making (I thought) incorrect judgements about me as people have done my entire life.

One doctor, insistent that I was a diabetic only because I was overweight, put me on Metformin. Grossly incorrect with her diagnosis, I ended up sick for two years and hypoglycemic as a result. Again, a judgement about me that was wrong.

I am sorry if I seemed snarky, but I am immensely frustrated and the same old, "you're eating too much" is how I ended up here in the first place.

I was eating so little when I was in my last production I couldn't even fight off a virus.

My apologies to everyone who thought I was shunning their recs, because I'm not. I was merely trying to explain my situation.

I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

I'm out. Think what you want to of me.

Well, if you want to lose weight, it is! At least we figured out why you can't lose :flowerforyou:

Yes, You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just saying this in the first place: I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

If you don't put the time in to it, it won't work. PERIOD.

I don't think that's the entire answer, but thanks.
You didn't have to respond.

:sick: I gave you a better answer a few pages ago - you didn't like that one either..... I don't think you'll like anyone's response.

I think you should add psychiatrist to the list of doctors you need to see along with the Endo and GP.....

It's not that I don't like anyone's answer. All I am saying is I know that eating 1200 calories a day is NOT the answer for me and all sorts of assumptions are being made.

I really wish I hadn't started this thread.

And really...a psych..that's not nice.

Okay.

1.) You said you were leaving. Apparently not.
2.) No one, anywhere, recommended you do 1200.
3.) We don't have to make assumptions that your calorie counting is inaccurate if it is, in fact, inaccurate.
4.) A psychiatrist recommendation isn't mean. Really? Do you view going to a mental health professional as insulting, because that's certainly insulting to multiple people on these forums.

Someone who projects, views everyone around them as "nasty" or "attacking," has such a rigid worldview as to deny all culpability for their problems and/or embrace the "being a victim" card is most certainly in need of a therapist.

If you choose to be unhappy, so be it. I, as a human being, just hope people do things to get them to healthy and happy places.

PikaKnight

I would recommend kicking the Diet Coke habit. DO some reading about Diet Coke and how it can effect people. It might be farting with your weight loss.

Also I would really recommend making home cooked meals from now on. It is not hard at all to eat healthy at home. I know you are probably a very busy person but just make the time each week to make food. Even just one day a week of cooking means you can make enough for the rest of the week.

I wish you luck. Weight loss is not an easy journey.

Also if you are eating a lot of frozen and prepackaged foods they will contain a lot of sodium. Cut those and see if your weight loss starts again.

LOL. What? Diet coke isn't messing with her weight loss. Neither is frozen or prepackaged foods. It's the amount she's eating that would be the problem.

Nice2BFitAgain

Okay, I really am done with this.

I have not shot down anyone's advice and I am sure that a food scale would help.

My snark was because people were being nasty and making (I thought) incorrect judgements about me as people have done my entire life.

One doctor, insistent that I was a diabetic only because I was overweight, put me on Metformin. Grossly incorrect with her diagnosis, I ended up sick for two years and hypoglycemic as a result. Again, a judgement about me that was wrong.

I am sorry if I seemed snarky, but I am immensely frustrated and the same old, "you're eating too much" is how I ended up here in the first place.

I was eating so little when I was in my last production I couldn't even fight off a virus.

My apologies to everyone who thought I was shunning their recs, because I'm not. I was merely trying to explain my situation.

I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

I'm out. Think what you want to of me.

Well, if you want to lose weight, it is! At least we figured out why you can't lose :flowerforyou:

Yes, You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just saying this in the first place: I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

If you don't put the time in to it, it won't work. PERIOD.

I don't think that's the entire answer, but thanks.
You didn't have to respond.

:sick: I gave you a better answer a few pages ago - you didn't like that one either..... I don't think you'll like anyone's response.

I think you should add psychiatrist to the list of doctors you need to see along with the Endo and GP.....

It's not that I don't like anyone's answer. All I am saying is I know that eating 1200 calories a day is NOT the answer for me and all sorts of assumptions are being made.

I really wish I hadn't started this thread.

And really...a psych..that's not nice.

Nope - I was serious. You said yourself that you have been judged poorly all your life, you have too much stress, dealing with your mom and work and having to take care of yourself too.....I should have said a psychologist though, I think so I apologize.

D_squareG

Wow. 9 pages of advice from people who've had success and all of it was wrong? I don't understand these kinds of posts. Did she really think there was going to be a magic formula?

KylaDenay

Okay, so here is two days from my diary....

GOAL 1740 per day.
Tuesday
Breakfast
Aramark Cafeteria Scrambled Eggs ½ cup 120 Cals
Pillsbury White Chocolate Raspberry Chunk Scone 440
560
Coffee black.

Lunch
Kellogg’s Special K Deluxe Egg and Cheese Flatbread Sandwich 120 Cals
Red Plum 30 Cals
Fiber One Brownie 90
Cals
310

Dinner

Fazoli’s Chicken Parm 870 cals
2 breadsticks 300

TOTAL
Remaining 64

Wednesday
Breakfast
Aramark Cafeteria Scrambled Eggs ½ cup 120 Cals
Raspberry Pastry (yeah, I know, was going bad) 340
460
Coffee black.
Lunch
Food Lion Blueberry Bagel (per website) 270 cals
Smucker’s Peanut Butter 1.5 oz tub 240
510
Dinner
Cracker Barrel Dinner: 2 scrambled eggs, 1 slice Colby cheese, 2 slices sourdough bread, 1 serving hashbrown casserole, 1 pat butter, 1 grape jam.
791
Water unless coffee specified.

Snack
Costco Pineapple Spears..2 cups 148
217 remaining after 420 exercise cals.

I have no comment on what you are choosing to eat (see my comment about the 1200 calorie shake last night), but here's what's jumping out at me:

Cafeteria scrambled eggs - how do you know it's only 1/2 cup? Are they dense or fluffy? This is not an accurate logging at all. IME, 1/2 C of scrambled eggs would be more than 2 full eggs...that's definitely more than 120 calories without adding in any oil or fat for cooking and I can almost guarantee that some is used. Even places that serve "healthy" egg white only omelettes and eggs will cook them in butter or some type of fat. Say what you think is 1/2 C is actually 1/2 heaping cup which is equal to 10 T instead of 8. This automatically is 125% of your original calculation, so would be 150 calories instead of 120. Now, say they add just a bit of oil...1/2 t only (which is pretty much nothing). That's another 20 calories, making you now off by 50 calories on your one food item. Now, say that it takes 2 large eggs to make 1/2 C scrambled eggs. This means that it's 140 calories instead of 120. Do the math with the other scenarios, and you're now at 195 calories instead of 120 and that's with only 1/2 t oil used for cooking.

What's a raspberry pastry? What was the size? How much did it weigh? Did it come from a labelled package? This is where a food scale would be a great help, even if you have the package it came in. Say 1 serving is supposed to weigh 75 grams. You weigh it and it weighs 100 grams. Instead of 340 calories you've had 450 calories. Or, if you don't have the NI for that exact item and you pick what you think is a close approximation, there is absolutely no way to know if you are off by hundreds of calories or not. Knowing the weight will help (you can choose the 100 gram option instead of just saying 1 large pastry), but there's no way to really accurate if you are eating a fresh made food not made by you. Same for the bagel. Sure, the website says 1 bagel is 270 calories and 112 grams but is it really? Maybe the baker was generous and it weighs 150 grams. There's another 90 calories added to your day.

The cracker barrel? They don't post NI so anything you find is just going to be an estimate. I know they use butter/oil to make the scrambled eggs - have you noticed that they glisten? You could be off by a couple hundred calories at Cracker Barrel, easily, even if the 790 is accurate for what you are supposed to get. If the chef used a bit more oil for the eggs and they were extra generous with your serving of hashbrown casserole, there's calories you haven't accounted for.

Your pineapple spears? Well, depending on how you chunk them, you can fit more or less in a C than is accounted for. Maybe you actually had 3 cups worth? Who knows. Using a food scale eliminates this - if you weigh 100 grams, then you are having 100 grams.

This!!

I have learned a lot myself just from reading this post and the rest of these post. Even I think I am doing right, but this makes me ask myself some questions about if I really am eating the right amount.

I posted a question the other day to get feedback about my weight loss. The answer to mine was the same as yours. I obviously was not eating at a deficit. I too said what was on my mind and it sounded like I did not want the advice, but I quickly changed how I was wording my responses, because I appreciate EVERYONE's advice. Some people are more sensitive then others and may take written verbiage a lot differently then how it would really come out by mouth. I took everyone's advice from my post and I am using it as we speak. If I have this many people telling me the same thing, then who is right?! Me or them? I think weight loss and all that comes with it is new for anyone until you have gone through it. Take the advice and run with it. Give it a try and if it doesn't work than you know you need an actual nutritionist or dietician's advice. Good luck OP!

WinoGelato

As someone who reads the forums a lot but doesn't post/comment very often - it always amazes me how the ability to use logic and reason completely goes out the window when someone is describing their personal situation. If OP were reading this entire thread, as I've done just now, and it didn't have anything to do with her, I wonder what her advice/recommendations would be for someone in the same situation? It just boggles my mind how readily people jump to the "you don't understand me and my situation" or "you are rude/aggressive/snarky" or "that won't work for me because of (insert arbitrary excuse)".

sunshinesoprano

Okay, I really am done with this.

I have not shot down anyone's advice and I am sure that a food scale would help.

My snark was because people were being nasty and making (I thought) incorrect judgements about me as people have done my entire life.

One doctor, insistent that I was a diabetic only because I was overweight, put me on Metformin. Grossly incorrect with her diagnosis, I ended up sick for two years and hypoglycemic as a result. Again, a judgement about me that was wrong.

I am sorry if I seemed snarky, but I am immensely frustrated and the same old, "you're eating too much" is how I ended up here in the first place.

I was eating so little when I was in my last production I couldn't even fight off a virus.

My apologies to everyone who thought I was shunning their recs, because I'm not. I was merely trying to explain my situation.

I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

I'm out. Think what you want to of me.

Well, if you want to lose weight, it is! At least we figured out why you can't lose :flowerforyou:

Yes, You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just saying this in the first place: I'm very busy, very involved, and do not have the time to sit and measure out everything I consume. It's just not practical.

If you don't put the time in to it, it won't work. PERIOD.

I don't think that's the entire answer, but thanks.
You didn't have to respond.

:sick: I gave you a better answer a few pages ago - you didn't like that one either..... I don't think you'll like anyone's response.

I think you should add psychiatrist to the list of doctors you need to see along with the Endo and GP.....

It's not that I don't like anyone's answer. All I am saying is I know that eating 1200 calories a day is NOT the answer for me and all sorts of assumptions are being made.

I really wish I hadn't started this thread.

And really...a psych..that's not nice.

Okay.

1.) You said you were leaving. Apparently not.
2.) No one, anywhere, recommended you do 1200.
3.) We don't have to make assumptions that your calorie counting is inaccurate if it is, in fact, inaccurate.
4.) A psychiatrist recommendation isn't mean. Really? Do you view going to a mental health professional as insulting, because that's certainly insulting to multiple people on these forums.

Someone who projects, views everyone around them as "nasty" or "attacking," has such a rigid worldview as to deny all culpability for their problems and/or embrace the "being a victim" card is most certainly in need of a therapist.

If you choose to be unhappy, so be it. I, as a human being, just hope people do things to get them to healthy and happy places.

I won't deny I'm struggling with a lot of areas in my life.

It sounded to me like he was insulting my mental health. Psychs are fine and I take anxiety meds so I have no issue with that.

I don't think I would have lost 50 pounds if I didn't have drive and motivation.

My mother is a WHOLE other ball of wax none of you want to get into...and yes, she is the reason for a LOT of my problems.



I really am sorry I bothered all of you today.

_HeartsOnFire_

OP. My first suggestion is going to be take a step back. Take a few breaths.

Now let's have a come to Jesus chat...You are taking peoples advice, twisting it and the way you are perceiving it is as "they are attacking me". No one here has attacked you. They've given you solid advice. You have refuted it time and time again - don't say you haven't, because every time someone suggests weighing your foods and being accurate, there's a reason you can't, or you trust the cooks at said restaurant, etc. Personally, I've worked in restaurants, yeah I'm not trusting what they tell me they put in something. It's always going to be underestimated. Especially not in cafeterias, not when they are making large quantities of food. They are not measuring out butter and oil that they cook things in. I promise you they aren't.

Others have given you suggestions like maybe start logging everything as 33% higher than you are now. They suggested you do that for 2-4 weeks. You didn't even respond to that. I thought that was a great idea since you are refusing to make and weigh food yourself.

Also no one has made assumptions about you. You have consistently given inconsistent answers. I didn't read ONE response where someone made assumptions. The way you are perceiving being attacked and everyone's assuming things about you, that honestly, is in your head. That's how you have perceived peoples honest answers to your predicament.

You were the FIRST one in the thread to say, "I know you all think I'm making a lot of excuses" which at that time no one had said, but you said it, because you know they are just that, excuses. It's simple, you are not ready to lose anymore weight. When you are ready you will do it.

Nice2BFitAgain

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I won't deny I'm struggling with a lot of areas in my life.

It sounded to me like he was insulting my mental health. Psychs are fine and I take anxiety meds so I have no issue with that.

I don't think I would have lost 50 pounds if I didn't have drive and motivation.

My mother is a WHOLE other ball of wax none of you want to get into...and yes, she is the reason for a LOT of my problems.



I really am sorry I bothered all of you today.
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She. - thank you.

sunshinesoprano

Wow. 9 pages of advice from people who've had success and all of it was wrong? I don't understand these kinds of posts. Did she really think there was going to be a magic formula?

I didn't say any of it was wrong. (((Sigh)))

_HeartsOnFire_

Oh brother...

Accountability = Nonextistent.

Open your diary. I know you already posted a two day snapshot of your eating habits with no weights.

Oh but the people she perceived were rude to her will be rude to her so she's not opening it.

WBB55

I won't deny I'm struggling with a lot of areas in my life.

It sounded to me like he was insulting my mental health. Psychs are fine and I take anxiety meds so I have no issue with that.

I don't think I would have lost 50 pounds if I didn't have drive and motivation.

My mother is a WHOLE other ball of wax none of you want to get into...and yes, she is the reason for a LOT of my problems.

I really am sorry I bothered all of you today.

Sweetie, you're not the only one with these problems. You're not alone. You're in the same boat with at least 20% of the people I know. Let's work together to figure out what you CAN do to help your health. Other people solve the same issues you're dealing with. Let's help you solve yours, too.

Can you buy a fitbit?

sunshinesoprano

As someone who reads the forums a lot but doesn't post/comment very often - it always amazes me how the ability to use logic and reason completely goes out the window when someone is describing their personal situation. If OP were reading this entire thread, as I've done just now, and it didn't have anything to do with her, I wonder what her advice/recommendations would be for someone in the same situation? It just boggles my mind how readily people jump to the "you don't understand me and my situation" or "you are rude/aggressive/snarky" or "that won't work for me because of (insert arbitrary excuse)".

I certianly wouldn't be aggressive. I would be supportive and have been with others who needed help. Not everything works the same for everyone.