How to tell vegan friends to back off?!

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  • PennyVonDread
    PennyVonDread Posts: 432 Member
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    Wow. The anger. "All we are saying ♪ is give peas a chance!" ♫
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
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    I am not going to get into anything you have said but plant proteins are sufficient without supplements. If you have any actual science that proves to the contrary I will retract my statement otherwise you are just spreading bollocks

    No, I think you've made a pretty strong statement and need to back that up.

    Actually You made the claim they are insufficient therefore it is your responsibility to back your claim, not mine. I am calling you out on it to prove your assertion.

    But I didn't call your claim "bollocks." So go ahead. Back it up. Otherwise just admit you're angry at me for disagreeing with you.
  • shmerek
    shmerek Posts: 963 Member
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446?pg=1

    Just did, not angry at you but I do get angry at anyone who spouts off bull**** without evidence regardless of the topic. If you assert something back it up or shut the hell up. Simple as that. If you claim something without backing it up it probably is bollocks.
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

    ngry at anyone who spouts off bull**** without evidence regardless of the topiJust did, not angry at you but I do get ac. If you assert something back it up or shut the hell up. Simple as that. If you claim something without backing it up it probably is bollocks.

    That's vegetarian. Not vegan. You've backed up nothing.
  • shmerek
    shmerek Posts: 963 Member
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

    ngry at anyone who spouts off bull**** without evidence regardless of the topiJust did, not angry at you but I do get ac. If you assert something back it up or shut the hell up. Simple as that. If you claim something without backing it up it probably is bollocks.

    That's vegetarian. Not vegan. You've backed up nothing.

    "it is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."

    From the first link read again SLOWLY.
  • Strokingdiction
    Strokingdiction Posts: 1,164 Member
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    This poor topic and it's complete derailment:

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  • shmerek
    shmerek Posts: 963 Member
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    This poor topic and it's complete derailment:

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    Apologies, I just couldn't let that one statement slide. As you were.
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

    ngry at anyone who spouts off bull**** without evidence regardless of the topiJust did, not angry at you but I do get ac. If you assert something back it up or shut the hell up. Simple as that. If you claim something without backing it up it probably is bollocks.

    That's vegetarian. Not vegan. You've backed up nothing.

    "it is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."

    From the first link read again SLOWLY.

    So yeah . . . supplementation.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446

    http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/Vegetarian-Diets_UCM_306032_Article.jsp

    http://www.theveganrd.com/2010/11/recommended-supplements-for-vegans.html

    http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/natural

    http://blog.healthkismet.com/vegan-diet-supplements

    http://www.vegandude.com/2011/09/supplementation-in-vegan-diet.html

    http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html

    Just a guess, but I think the ADA is what is known as, "wrong."
  • shmerek
    shmerek Posts: 963 Member
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    "In some cases, supplements or fortified foods can provide useful amounts of important nutrients."

    I guess you have a reading comprehension problem. See those first three words? They mean something. And no I don't think they are wrong, I will take the research of a well known institution over that of the "vegandude"

    In case your memory is bad as your reading comprehension you originally asserted that
    "Don't preach at me about plant proteins. They are not sufficient."
    This is what I called you out on and you are wrong as I have shown so get over it.
  • shmerek
    shmerek Posts: 963 Member
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    Hey I didn't want to get into the politics of it. I never do. I am not claiming one diet is better than the other. I just take issue when someone asserts something that is clearly not true, it wouldn't matter what the topic was.
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
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    "In some cases, supplements or fortified foods can provide useful amounts of important nutrients."

    I guess you have a reading comprehension problem. See those first three words? They mean something. And no I don't think they are wrong, I will take the research of a well known institution over that of the "vegandude"

    In case your memory is bad as your reading comprehension you originally asserted that
    "Don't preach at me about plant proteins. They are not sufficient."
    This is what I called you out on and you are wrong as I have shown so get over it.

    No, sorry. Not wrong. Plant proteins do not create vit. B12 in sufficient quantities. Look at all those threads and they say the same thing: vegans should supplement B12.
  • shmerek
    shmerek Posts: 963 Member
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    Seriously???You know B12 isn't a protein right??? It is a vitamin.... From one of your links
    Protein: You don't need to eat foods from animals to have enough protein in your diet. Plant proteins alone can provide enough of the essential and non-essential amino acids, as long as sources of dietary protein are varied and caloric intake is high enough to meet energy needs.
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
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    B12 isn't a protein.... From one of your links
    Protein: You don't need to eat foods from animals to have enough protein in your diet. Plant proteins alone can provide enough of the essential and non-essential amino acids, as long as sources of dietary protein are varied and caloric intake is high enough to meet energy needs.

    Never said it was.
  • shmerek
    shmerek Posts: 963 Member
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    Sigh, you originally claimed vegans didn't get enough protein. You are wrong and now trying to move the goal posts. I said nothing about b12 nor did you unless as I said you are now claiming b12 is a protein. Your initial claim was that plant proteins are 'not sufficient' was bollocks get over it. I'm done.
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
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    Sigh, you originally claimed vegans didn't get enough protein. You are wrong and now trying to move the goal posts. I said nothing about b12 nor did you unless as I said you are now claiming b12 is a protein. Your initial claim was that plant proteins are 'not sufficient' was bollocks get over it.

    I said that the plant proteins were not sufficient or vegans would not need supplementation. I never said B12 was a protein. It is, however, provided primarily by animal-based proteins. I never said that vegans did not get "enough" protein, only that vegans eating plant proteins needed supplements. So no. I'm not wrong. And the whole "bollocks" thing? Get over it. You can disagree with my stance without being aggressive and attacking me.

    Other than that one link, what do you have to prove that vegans don't need supplementation?
  • Marcatrot
    Marcatrot Posts: 6
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    You could tell them that you've thought critically about your diet and have made the choices that you see work best for you. Should work. If it doesn't then ask them politely to not talk about the subject with you any longer. If they still don't stop after you go through these civilized steps then why are you their friend?

    There is really no need to bring a shotgun or meat cubes into this.
  • snazzyjazzy21
    snazzyjazzy21 Posts: 1,298 Member
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    So...no one's got an answer regarding me B12 question?
  • beautifulwarrior18
    beautifulwarrior18 Posts: 914 Member
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    You pretty much answered your own question in the title of this topic. Just say it, "Back off"
  • MemphisHellFire
    MemphisHellFire Posts: 38 Member
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    just confront them and explain that you don't appreciate their forceful views, as a vegan myself i know most omnis arnt interested and its an easy way to fall out with people. also i just want to point out that if you research a proper vegan diet you can get thousands of calories per day while training hard and playing sport, i am living proof! :)
  • GreenIceFloes
    GreenIceFloes Posts: 1,491 Member
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    Not vegan, but I get a lot of crap from my vegetarian friends, "ewwww that was alive once!" and "ewwwww gross!" and "ha-ha you support animal rights and help out at the animal shelter, hypocrite much?"

    S T F U
    :explode:

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