Clean Eating
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Clean eating does more than just help you lose weight - it works the mind, body and soul. Once I threw out all of the processed foods and started eating clean, I felt amazing and had better clarity. You will still need a calorie deficit in order to lose weight. Good luck on your journey!0
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I just threw out my fake, imitation Snicker style ice cream bars by Skinny Cow for the real Snickers ice cream bars. I'll take the 20 extra cals for taste any day. I guess we're both making changes!
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I think the idea of "clean eating" is a concept that means different things to different people.
Make sure you find a way of doing things that works for you.0 -
I didnt all of a sudden just decide yesterday I was just going to throw out all my food just for fun. I gave my unopened packaged food tp my father, but I was fairly certain he did not want my husbands used bacon ketchup thats been sitting in the fridge for months. Apparently your words are more critiqued here then I would have thought. I will be more aware of this going forward. And why am I starting today, other than the fact that tuesday is grocery shopping day, I am starting today because something clicked for me. Because im sick of feeling gross. I dont want to be unhealthy anymore.
what is this bacon ketchup you speak of?
mmmmm bacon0 -
The "no processed food" is another debatable point. I just got through having some cashew butter on my homemade oatmeal muffins. The cashew butter is processed...came in a jar...guess what it has in it...yep...cashews...that is it.
So while I stay clear of some processed foods (mainly because of the sodium since I have HBP) there are healthy choices out there in Processed Land. You just have to choose the ones that fit your goals and the outcome that you are seeking.
Right. Like I recently got bored with eggs and more eggs (aside: the person who supposedly coined the term "clean eating," Tosca Reno, recommends egg whites, which seem either wasteful or processed to me), so I decided to return to an old favorite breakfast, steel cut oats. Horrors, processed, so bad, I guess, or unclean. But I see no earthly reason why I should follow some arbitrary rule under which oatmeal is bad for me. Of course, I did try adding some protein powder one day, which is even more processed (yet I see similar stuff recommended or eaten by "clean eaters" often enough).0 -
The "no processed food" is another debatable point. I just got through having some cashew butter on my homemade oatmeal muffins. The cashew butter is processed...came in a jar...guess what it has in it...yep...cashews...that is it.
I don't think that's what's meant by "processed foods" (except maybe to a few zealots). A lot of clean eating recipes call for things like olive oil and apple cider vinegar, and I don't think anyone expects you to press or brew your own.
I think most reasonable people understand "processed foods" to be those that are high in fat, salt, preservatives, and refined sugars, and low in vitamins and minerals. Lunchables, for instance.0 -
I just wanted to say, OP Kelly has been very gracious in her responses to alot of the comments. Yes, some of them were rude, but most were helpful or at least were intended to be helpful. You've got a good head on your shoulders girl, and just keep a positive attitude, an open mind towards healthy eating, and stick to your guns. Yes you'll have bad days or cheat days, and people will give you crap over what you decide to call your "diet" or lifestyle. But if you find what works for you - more power to you! MFP is a great resource, and personally I find the forums 10% helpful, 10% motivating, and 80% pure snarky entertainment. :bigsmile:0
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I don't think that's what's meant by "processed foods" (except maybe to a few zealots). A lot of clean eating recipes call for things like olive oil and apple cider vinegar, and I don't think anyone expects you to press or brew your own.
I think most reasonable people understand "processed foods" to be those that are high in fat, salt, preservatives, and refined sugars, and low in vitamins and minerals. Lunchables, for instance.
And here we have a good illustration of the bigger issue with "clean eating". It is completely indefinable. Everyone has their own thoughts on what is clean or what is processed etc...
Again not a reason not to "eat clean" but personally I find that way too frustrating to try and follow.0 -
I think most reasonable people understand "processed foods" to be those that are high in fat, salt, preservatives, and refined sugars, and low in vitamins and minerals. Lunchables, for instance.
I don't see why anyone would understand that. I generally try to interpret people based on the words they use, and "processed" is FAR broader than the definition you give here, while there are plenty of non-processed foods that are high in fat, salt, or refined sugars, at least unless sugar or flour themselves disqualify anything made with them (unlike olive oil, apparently).
That's why I wish people would drop the annoying "clean eating" term and just say what they mean. Personally I'm all for mostly cooking from whole foods, not because it actually matters for losing weight (assuming you are disciplined enough to stick to a calorie goal) or because all processed foods are unnatural and bad (the unnatural argument is irritating enough when just dairy is being attacked), but because IMO (and others can differ) homemade is usually tastier and more filling for fewer calories. But like I keep saying, it's no cure for obesity--I managed to get fat while disliking most of the processed foods you seem to be referring to.0 -
I do understand that you of course can eat everything in moderation and count calories and lose weight. I personally decided that my willpower is overruled when I come face to face with delicious cake topped with frosting. If I dont change my lifestyle, my *kitten* will just grow and grow. So I have decided to do a total change. If its not here, I wont eat it. Its as simple as that. Will there be days that I will fail? Of course. I know there will be. Will I be able to keep sustain this type of eating? I'm hopeful. Im creative when it comes to cooking. I hope eating better will make me feel better and I will feel rewarded by that and will continue on.
I am the same way with cake, cookies, chips, crackers, and on and on. There are things I can keep in the house and moderate, but those things are few and far between. What I do is if I really want something, I buy a serving of it. Little cookie package, single serving bag of chips, a cupcake, etc. I don't eat these things every day, but let myself have them now and again.
I tried "clean eating" and personally found that when I let myself have the "bad, naughty, awful" foods I was not allowed to have, I would binge and gain back any weight I lost. Then I would feel like I failed, and I would give up. For me, the problem was that I categorized foods as "good" and "bad" and categorized eating bad foods or going over calories as "failure." I think banishing that negativity is really the first and most important step in making a lifestyle change.
That said, if you like to cook, there are a lot of "clean eating" recipes that do satisfy cravings and for a fraction of the calories. I do love me some black bean brownies (and I won't eat the whole batch), cauliflower crust pizza, coconut flour pancakes, etc.0 -
I just wanted to say, OP Kelly has been very gracious in her responses to alot of the comments. Yes, some of them were rude, but most were helpful or at least were intended to be helpful. You've got a good head on your shoulders girl, and just keep a positive attitude, an open mind towards healthy eating, and stick to your guns. Yes you'll have bad days or cheat days, and people will give you crap over what you decide to call your "diet" or lifestyle. But if you find what works for you - more power to you! MFP is a great resource, and personally I find the forums 10% helpful, 10% motivating, and 80% pure snarky entertainment. :bigsmile:
Thank you so much!
It has been quite entertaining, and I am learning from the varied opinions.
I am not discouraged at all.
I do hope that people will stop being offended by the term "clean eating". The intent is not to make people feel that if they arent eating this way that it is in anyway "dirty". Its just what its called, I guess.
Also, I see that a few people are put off because there is many different ways to define "clean eating", but isnt that like everything else in life? People have different opinions, views, and definitions about basically everything. And you cant ever say someones definition is wrong because it doesnt exactly match everyone elses.0 -
I didnt all of a sudden just decide yesterday I was just going to throw out all my food just for fun. I gave my unopened packaged food tp my father, but I was fairly certain he did not want my husbands used bacon ketchup thats been sitting in the fridge for months. Apparently your words are more critiqued here then I would have thought. I will be more aware of this going forward. And why am I starting today, other than the fact that tuesday is grocery shopping day, I am starting today because something clicked for me. Because im sick of feeling gross. I dont want to be unhealthy anymore.
what is this bacon ketchup you speak of?
mmmmm bacon
No, NOOOOO we must not taint bacon. Clean BACON!!!!0 -
I have just thrown away all of my terrible packaged preservative filled foods
next time you're gonna do that, please let me know and i will send you my address to send the food.0 -
I think the idea of "clean eating" is a concept that means different things to different people.
Make sure you find a way of doing things that works for you.
oh you got that right....some very vast varieties of clean eating, if you ask me.0 -
Cut out all sodas and try to incorporate more fruits and veggies in your snacking rather than sweets and chips. be sure to drink lots and lots and slots of water
FYI
You can gain weight eating too many fruits and veggies....even "clean" ones.0 -
I have just thrown away all of my terrible packaged preservative filled foods
next time you're gonna do that, please let me know and i will send you my address to send the food.
You will notice in a previous post that I gave my father the unopened packaged food, and threw away the half used opened items that I presumed he would not touch because it probably been there for a while.0 -
I have just thrown away all of my terrible packaged preservative filled foods
next time you're gonna do that, please let me know and i will send you my address to send the food.
You will notice in a previous post that I gave my father the unopened packaged food, and threw away the half used opened items that I presumed he would not touch because it probably been there for a while.
oh good good.
hate to think of wasted food.
glad it went to good use! :drinker:0 -
I clean eat most of the time. When I'm being really good I feel great. When I'm bad I feel bloated and sluggish so it speaks volumes to me on how good clean eating is.
I've lost 2 stone and 30 inches in 3 months.
Happy to provide more info if you want.
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I agree that you seem to have a good attitude, OP.I do hope that people will stop being offended by the term "clean eating". The intent is not to make people feel that if they arent eating this way that it is in anyway "dirty". Its just what its called, I guess.
I'm more logically offended than actually offended--the concept never seems to be applied rationally and no one means the same thing, so why have a term as if there really were a thing you were all referring to. Why not say you are trying to eat less processed food or cook more from whole foods or eat more fruits and vegetables or eliminate "added sugar" or whatever the particular thing you mean. As it is, no one knows, they just know that the person using it thinks there are unclean foods that that person eschews.
However, I think you are wrong. Not with respect to those who happen upon the term and like the concept (although an awful lot of people eat similarly or health-consciously without using the term or finding it appealing), but with respect to the origin of the term and what a lot of people intend with it. Like I said above, the internet (yeah, best source ever, not) says that Tosca Reno coined the term, and she certainly means to use it to distinguish "toxic foods" (and since she also seems anti egg yolk, it's especially incoherent). Beyond that, there's a whole movement of people who like the term, and there has to be some reason that particular term is used and clung to. It has to be the demonization of so-called non-clean foods, and a claim to be purer than those who eat them. (Of course in reality most "clean eaters" don't actually seem consistent.)And you cant ever say someones definition is wrong because it doesnt exactly match everyone elses.
True, but with other terms like vegetarian, vegan, even raw or paleo one knows what is meant. Clean eating doesn't serve that function, so it raises the question of what it's purpose is. I suspect, in addition to the explanations given above, that it's to try and make the "clean" foods seem more appealing (purer) and the others seem disgusting and thus less appealing. I think that's a damaging approach to foods, especially when it's not actually a natural sentiment (lots of us find certain foods disgusting) but an effort to change your opinion of a food you do like, and thus putting yourself in a position where you are drawn naturally to foods that you tell yourself are unnatural and disgusting. At least that's what seems problematic about it from a theoretical perspective. Rather than the "clean eating" negative approach, why not just try to make healthy changes and get excited about including nutrient dense foods and home cooked foods, etc.0 -
That's why I wish people would drop the annoying "clean eating" term and just say what they mean.
If the term causes you so much discomfort, then why not just skip the thread entirely? After all, the subject was "Clean Eating" -- you didn't get suckered into reading it under false pretenses. As for what constitutes "processed", if somebody is going to agonize at the grocery store over the difference between Spaghetti-Os and organic almond butter because they both come in packages, then a different approach to diet is probably the best course.I managed to get fat while disliking most of the processed foods you seem to be referring to.
You must be under the impression that I said people can only get fat eating processed foods. I didn't. You can get fat eating anything, and you can lose weight eating anything.0 -
The "no processed food" is another debatable point. I just got through having some cashew butter on my homemade oatmeal muffins. The cashew butter is processed...came in a jar...guess what it has in it...yep...cashews...that is it.
I don't think that's what's meant by "processed foods" (except maybe to a few zealots). A lot of clean eating recipes call for things like olive oil and apple cider vinegar, and I don't think anyone expects you to press or brew your own.
I think most reasonable people understand "processed foods" to be those that are high in fat, salt, preservatives, and refined sugars, and low in vitamins and minerals. Lunchables, for instance.
There in lies the problem...just like everyone has their own personal definition of "clean food"...people have their own definition of "processed".
Not sure if you are implying that I am not "reasonable" or not but my thoughts on that are...
I think most reasonable people will not be terrified of a "processed food".
To end...I don't eat a lot of food that has all of those additives that you mentioned...I am however reasonable enough to know that I can eat them in moderation and maintain my health.0 -
I think most reasonable people will not be terrified of a "processed food".
Nor should they be. Zombie apocalypse: terrifying. Hostess Twinkie: not terrifyingTo end...I don't eat a lot of food that has all of those additives that you mentioned...I am however reasonable enough to know that I can eat them in moderation and maintain my health.
Then it sounds like you have a very healthy perspective on diet, and a good understanding of what works for you.0 -
I am on the same journey! The biggest thing I have learned is to READ LABELS! Try to avoid added sugar and salt (Use raw, natural honey) and skip it if there are ingredients that you don't know what they are. Shop the perimeter of the grocery store as much as possible, fresh meat, veggies, dairy, fruit. I have only been doing this for 6 weeks and it has made a HUGE change! Congrats on beginning the journey!0
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If the term causes you so much discomfort, then why not just skip the thread entirely?
How odd. Saying a term is annoying does not mean it causes me discomfort. It means I enjoy railing against it. And I read the thread originally because I was curious about the subject and quite enjoy arguments about clean eating, because it is such an annoying, self-righteous term.
Also, I thought the subject might be what it was--an OP using the term rather unwittingly to describe a desired lifestyle change, which is something I do support, as my initial answer indicated. But now it's become simply an entertaining CE debate.As for what constitutes "processed", if somebody is going to agonize at the grocery store over the difference between Spaghetti-Os and organic almond butter because they both come in packages, then a different approach to diet is probably the best course.
Or perhaps you should use a term that actually refers to whatever it is you mean.You must be under the impression that I said people can only get fat eating processed foods. I didn't. You can get fat eating anything, and you can lose weight eating anything.
So we agree. The impression I am under has nothing to do with you specifically (and I didn't say otherwise). It is related to the absurd claim by many "clean eaters" that eating clean is more significant than calories or essential to losing weight or that Americans are fat because we all eat hidden sugar in Lunchables or the like. Nonsense. People are fat because they eat more than they burn. They should know what they are eating and if they don't that's on them, but eating clean is not some magic pill that prevents obesity. Yet the way a lot of clean eaters talk you'd think that Lean Cuisines (which I don't like, but work for some) are enormously fattening, while a homemade roasted chicken with potatoes can't make you fat.
Well, except for all the clean eaters who hate "white foods" and would blame the potatoes despite the fact that they are much more fattening when cooked in chicken fat from the supposedly clean (maybe? depends who you ask) chicken. Or perhaps the answer is to eschew the whole chicken and eat the much more processed skinless, boneless breasts! (Certainly not my answer, for the record, some things are worth additional calories.)
(Someone upthread said that clean eaters use herbs and spices--nice to know that's been co-opted and is no longer simply normal cooking--unlike processed foods that use salt and fat. I'm pretty sure gourmet cooking involves plenty of salt and butter in the cooking process too, but somehow that's now just icky processed stuff.)0 -
Good for you! I think Clean Eating is the way to go. Benefits of clean eating is that it can drastically reduce or eliminate cravings. Clean eating will change your health and hopefully your weight. I disagree that it is all calorie counting. I eat weight more calories than I am supposed to but I eat very clean and healthy and I lose half a pound a day.
Half a pound a day...are you kidding??? By eating more calories than you should??? You must be an alien from another universe who defies the laws of physics -- no other explanation. :noway:0 -
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread.
My opinion of the "clean eating" discussion on MFP is that most people who have been eating too much and not paying attention, or people who have been living on fast food and processed snacks and find themselves overweight and/or facing health issues see "clean eating" it as a chance to make a change for the better. They don't feel well physically and they're excited about making a change. They're not necessarily aware of all the hubbub surrounding the term. They've just done some Googling on healthier lifestyles and "clean eating" is all the rage in the diet industry these days so it gets lots of hits, so they think, "hmm...this sounds good...I'm going to try clean eating." And then they join MFP and come to the forums to talk about it. Cut them some slack! They're trying to improve their health and stuff! They don't know that the topic has been beaten to death!
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That's why I wish people would drop the annoying "clean eating" term and just say what they mean.
If the term causes you so much discomfort, then why not just skip the thread entirely? After all, the subject was "Clean Eating" -- you didn't get suckered into reading it under false pretenses. As for what constitutes "processed", if somebody is going to agonize at the grocery store over the difference between Spaghetti-Os and organic almond butter because they both come in packages, then a different approach to diet is probably the best course.I managed to get fat while disliking most of the processed foods you seem to be referring to.
You must be under the impression that I said people can only get fat eating processed foods. I didn't. You can get fat eating anything, and you can lose weight eating anything.
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Answered.
But my related question--if you don't actually think foods you have declared off-limits are unclean and don't, in fact, actually avoid them (processed, added sugar, whatever) with any more regularity than the average non-clean eater in these parts, why call yourself a clean eater? What's the point, or what are you trying to convey?0 -
I am on the same journey! The biggest thing I have learned is to READ LABELS! Try to avoid added sugar and salt (Use raw, natural honey) and skip it if there are ingredients that you don't know what they are. Shop the perimeter of the grocery store as much as possible, fresh meat, veggies, dairy, fruit. I have only been doing this for 6 weeks and it has made a HUGE change! Congrats on beginning the journey!
I just ate this. Will I be okay? I don't know what some of this stuff is.
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I am actually quite surprised by the negative in this post. I heard great things about this forum, and was anticipating supportive comments from people trying for essentially the same thing. C'mon everyone, I was all hyped up!
I'm excited for you!!! You'll find very supportive people on MFP, read the comments on this thread and choose your friends accordingly. All my friends are the bomb. Don't get discouraged. I knew exactly what you meant and GULP I learned you don't say clean about foods today ..... no sir!!! LMBO0
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