How do you feel about fat pride?
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Now that explains a lot..ain't none as zealous as the newly converted.I went into a coma from drinking myself into one - confrontation stinks, but being a former hardcore substance abuser that confrontation not only saved my life, it made me the perfect model for the next michelangelo's David. :bigsmile:0 -
I am by no means condoning bullying, but fat pride is different from fat acceptance- yes, it is technically possible to be healthy and fat just as it is possible to be unhealthy and skinny. But I'm frankly tired of the constant need to be politically correct. If you're happy with yourself, that's all that matters. If other people don't like you, so the hell what? Rock on with yourself, but don't expect a gold star for it.0
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It doesn't help when obesity is called a disease. Being fat is not the same as having cancer.0
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@Salembambi
Really? for the most part the majority of people here seem to have said that they think acceptance of self and other people regardless of their size is a great thing, bullying is not, and that we should focus on promoting self love AND better health.
I would agree with what you said though; what other people do with their body and health is not anyone elses business. I think people are just saying that personally they were not happy or healthy when they were heavier-I was not either, so I get that. It certainly doesn't mean others couldn't be.0 -
I too have been overweight for the majority of my life. It took the scare of diabetes taking my foot to wake me up. "Fat Pride" to me is just another excuse to avoid the reality of being heavy and so obsessed with food. I have changed my eating habits and eating healthier. No Excuses Please.0
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I think no matter your size, shape, orientation, color or whatever ... You should have pride and be proud of who you are and love yourself...Do I think we need all these "pride" movements...no they are just getting annoyhing.0
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this weekend my sister told me I am too "skinny" and I "look gross"
she is 300 lbs and I wanted to tell her she was too fat but I held my tongue.....
Could have at least said she's in no position of authority to judge or comment on others bodies? :noway:0 -
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I think it's just an excuse to stay fat and do nothing about it.0
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I have trouble wrapping my mind around this. I do believe everyone at every size should have acceptance for who they are. They need to love themselves first and foremost.
But, I think everyone featured in that article needs to lose weight. A lot of weight. The healthy way. I honestly do. Maybe accepting themselves and loving themselves will be their first step to losing the weight they need to lose.
Though I've been in the 'obese' range for my height, I've never been that big & I took immediate action on my weight loss when I realized I was gaining so swiftly... so I really can't relate.0 -
I think fat people get hated, mocked, teased, and discriminated against enough that there needs to be some organization/movement on the other end. If even just to provide balance.
People should feel pride in themselves no matter what body shape they have (exclusions for really horrible people, like pedophiles and those who talk at the theater).
If you're strongly opposed to this, it's probably because you have your own issues to work out. Let other people be happy with who they are.
No issue with people being who they are. However, overweight folk do inconvenience others sometimes - even worse than those who talk during the movie. Try taking a middle seat on a transcontinental flight between 2 people who cannot fit in their own seats and you'll see what I mean. It's not just annoying; it's downright painful.0 -
I think "fat pride" is a bit of a misnomer. I've never come across anyone that has been actively proud of being overweight. I think the purpose is to encourage people to find their inner strength/worth, while being fat. Not letting the label define all aspects of their life.
Which, IMO is really important. I'm overweight. I was diagnosed with "severe depression". I started treatment immediately. It was about six weeks later that I started liking who I was - finding worth in myself. Which led to me wanting to live a healthier lifestyle, which lead me here (20 pounds lighter so far).
You have to feel like you're worth it - why else would you pursue living a healthier life? You can't change and make better choices until you've decided to invest in yourself. That's what I feel like this "movement" (or whatever it is) is about.
All my opinion, of course.0 -
Have read only the first couple of pages.
I think the tv show Drop Dead Diva is a perfect example. It starts with two women dying and one of them coming back to life, but in the other woman's body. She used to be the thin one and now she's in the fat body.
Throughout all seasons she is fat and they do nothing about it. She had a lifestyle so different in the thin body and now, as fat, she makes all these weird excuses - and doesn't lift a finger to do anything to promote her health. I don't get it. All of a sudden she should be fine about being fat and she even rants in court about fat people's rights.
Yes, yes, discrimination is always wrong, but apart from that maybe there's something to that silliness called a healthy lifestyle? Why put sooo much energy on being politically correct when that same time and the same resources could be used to change someone's life for real, not just on paper?
If a person feels bad about themself as fat, chances are they will feel equally bad when thin, and blaming it on fat, inventing a new expression to deal with it - "fat pride" -, seems quite frankly ridiculous to me. Why not just call it self-pride and leave the fat out? Or is that too simple a solution?0 -
everyone should love themselves no matter what size they are but fat pride is dangerous imo. no one has to to be morbidly obese and they can do something about if they choose to do something about it0
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Why not just call it self-pride and leave the fat out? Or is that too simple a solution?
In a perfect world this could apply to anybody. The reason people respond with "fat pride" is due to all of the "fat shame", and some people are not OK with allowing others to have self-esteem if they are large. Why I have no idea but I think it has been pretty well expressed several times in this thread. People think larger folks have no right to feel good about themselves. Which is fine if you can keep that line of thinking to yourself, unfortunately though it shows up in forms of discrimination and other sublimated hatred. There is also a number of people who just bully others based on anything they can, and in my honest opinion they don't want people to get healthy. Haters gonna hate.
All in all I really agree with your statement and now I guess I have to look at some Drop Dead Diva.0 -
Why care about what others think, whether they approve or not, whether they think one should not feel good about oneself or should feel good about oneself? "Fat pride" is very much in tune with what the rest of the world thinks or doesn't think, but ultimately nobody can command me to feel something; it has to come from within. If hatred exists, one ought to find various "survival skills" in one's mind and respond in a calm way, perhaps just walk away. Silence is a very powerful tool, but that's something many don't seem to grasp.Why not just call it self-pride and leave the fat out? Or is that too simple a solution?
In a perfect world this could apply to anybody. The reason people respond with "fat pride" is due to all of the "fat shame", and some people are not OK with allowing others to have self-esteem if they are large. Why I have no idea but I think it has been pretty well expressed several times in this thread. People think larger folks have no right to feel good about themselves. Which is fine if you can keep that line of thinking to yourself, unfortunately though it shows up in forms of discrimination and other sublimated hatred. There is also a number of people who just bully others based on anything they can, and in my honest opinion they don't want people to get healthy. Haters gonna hate.
All in all I really agree with your statement and now I guess I have to look at some Drop Dead Diva.
If someone "hates on" (oh goodness how I detest that expression, it's utterly ridiculous) another person and that person responds in a dignified way, be it in words or silence, the crap might soon stop when the "haters" notice their efforts have no effect. They might keep trying for a while, stop altogether or keep going forever, but again, who cares? If pathetic minds have nothing else to do with their time, then let them keep going; it says so much about them as people.
Do you think your day would be any different if I told you a huge bunch of nasty stuff about your appearance and person? It shouldn't and regardless of what the mockery, teasing, bullying is about, people do need to work on their self-esteem. If your day is affected by my very much out of line words, look inwards and stop blaming me. Work on mental strength. You will never know in advance when someone might say something nasty to you, so it might be a smart thing to be prepared for anything at all times. If you have a calm, strong mind, none of it will affect you. "Fat pride" is a bad, weak crutch that will snap under you in no time and you should rely on yourself only.0 -
People should feel happy in themselves whatever shape or size and also it sends a positive message that they shouldn't be bullied for not being in the "ideal" category.
It doesn't mean it's recruiting people or telling people to be unhealthy it's just helping people who may have low self esteem to have the confidence to step out of the front door and not feel ashamed.
I don't understand why people want a overweight person to be disgusted by themselves every time they look in a mirror as if self hate is the best motivator (maybe it is for some, a wake up call or whatever but for alot of people it can be debilitating). Personally the better I feel about myself the more I want to take care of myself. It's when my confidence is shot that I want to eat a liter of double nut fudge choco icecream.0 -
If it's being used for self-esteem purposes, that's fine. But people shouldn't convince themselves that being overweight or obese is healthy.0
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If it isn't overweight, then it is something else; the world will always be home to pathetic people with nothing better to do than patch their own sad self by throwing crap on others and this is a fact. "Fat pride" to me screams quick fix, whereas I'm all about going to the root of the problem. "Fat pride" won't help you stay away from the double nut fudge choco ice cream, your strong mind will.People should feel happy in themselves whatever shape or size and also it sends a positive message that they shouldn't be bullied for not being in the "ideal" category.
It doesn't mean it's recruiting people or telling people to be unhealthy it's just helping people who may have low self esteem to have the confidence to step out of the front door and not feel ashamed.
I don't understand why people want a overweight person to be disgusted by themselves every time they look in a mirror as if self hate is the best motivator (maybe it is for some, a wake up call or whatever but for alot of people it can be debilitating). Personally the better I feel about myself the more I want to take care of myself. It's when my confidence is shot that I want to eat a liter of double nut fudge choco icecream.0 -
Why care about what others think, whether they approve or not, whether they think one should not feel good about oneself or should feel good about oneself? "Fat pride" is very much in tune with what the rest of the world thinks or doesn't think, but ultimately nobody can command me to feel something; it has to come from within. If hatred exists, one ought to find various "survival skills" in one's mind and respond in a calm way, perhaps just walk away. Silence is a very powerful tool, but that's something many don't seem to grasp.Why not just call it self-pride and leave the fat out? Or is that too simple a solution?
In a perfect world this could apply to anybody. The reason people respond with "fat pride" is due to all of the "fat shame", and some people are not OK with allowing others to have self-esteem if they are large. Why I have no idea but I think it has been pretty well expressed several times in this thread. People think larger folks have no right to feel good about themselves. Which is fine if you can keep that line of thinking to yourself, unfortunately though it shows up in forms of discrimination and other sublimated hatred. There is also a number of people who just bully others based on anything they can, and in my honest opinion they don't want people to get healthy. Haters gonna hate.
All in all I really agree with your statement and now I guess I have to look at some Drop Dead Diva.
If someone "hates on" (oh goodness how I detest that expression, it's utterly ridiculous) another person and that person responds in a dignified way, be it in words or silence, the crap might soon stop when the "haters" notice their efforts have no effect. They might keep trying for a while, stop altogether or keep going forever, but again, who cares? If pathetic minds have nothing else to do with their time, then let them keep going; it says so much about them as people.
Do you think your day would be any different if I told you a huge bunch of nasty stuff about your appearance and person? It shouldn't and regardless of what the mockery, teasing, bullying is about, people do need to work on their self-esteem. If your day is affected by my very much out of line words, look inwards and stop blaming me. Work on mental strength. You will never know in advance when someone might say something nasty to you, so it might be a smart thing to be prepared for anything at all times. If you have a calm, strong mind, none of it will affect you. "Fat pride" is a bad, weak crutch that will snap under you in no time and you should rely on yourself only.
I wish I was strong enough to not care at all what people say but even the most iron minded can't just brush that off. They do something to deal with it whether or not it's get up in your face and claim they are proud of something so damn terrible. I grew up in a place where it was horrible things said and thought 99% of the time and the world is simply too beautiful to live that way. The very act of being ready to be cut down at any moment causes the same kind of stress that makes it difficult to lose weight. I wouldn't mind seeing more people take responsibility for themselves and their actions since literally everyone could improve, not just us fatties.0 -
I'm all for consenting adults being able to do and feel whatever they want, as long as they aren't forcing others to do stuff. If their pride doesn't affect me, then good for them. The world is negative enough by itself without me running around trying to shineblock others.0
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Articles like this make me so angry!
'Fat acceptance' is a load of crap. I totally agree that anti-bullying campaigns are ok when it comes to being fat, no-one should be discriminated for being fat, but taking pride in the fact that you are fat is a whole other matter. The only reason that 'fat acceptance' campaigns exist is because people feel that they cannot do anything about their weight and decide to accept it, rather than change it. This is a lazy way out and it's only going to hurt themselves, no matter if they have 'accepted' it or not. I've never really been fat, but I could tell when I was going down the wrong track and I decided to change it, and from here I've never looked back. There is no way you can accept being 'fat', and people who say they have are only kidding themselves.
Rant over haha
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I'm all for consenting adults being able to do and feel whatever they want, as long as they aren't forcing others to do stuff. If their pride doesn't affect me, then good for them. The world is negative enough by itself without me running around trying to shineblock others.
I pretty much agree with this.
I'd also throw into the discussion; metabolically healthy obese people may in fact exist:
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2013/12/does-metabolically-healthy-obesity-exist.html
An interesting look at the subject. And before anyone gets their jimmies rustled by "OMG its a blog post not a scientific study". It's a blog post by a Neurobiologist and Obesity Researcher, full of references.0 -
I'm not sure that I completely understand fat "pride" or fat "acceptance". Pride suggests that fatness is something to aspire to, a goal to be achieved, while acceptance makes me think that one is simply resigned to being fat. I guess that's OK, but I just have a hard time wrapping my brain around it.
Personally, I think it's more important to take pride in your accomplishments and in the good you bring to this world, no matter your weight. I'm on board with general SELF-acceptance, and I think we all need to learn to love ourselves (with all of our faults) in order to really become the best versions of ourselves.
If fat pride or acceptance somehow motivates someone to be a better person, then I'm all for it. If it's just a cop-out or an excuse to stagnate or being used as a way to dodge opportunities for personal growth, then I think it's a harmful thing.0 -
this weekend my sister told me I am too "skinny" and I "look gross"
she is 300 lbs and I wanted to tell her she was too fat but I held my tongue.....
This type of "skinny shaming" happens far too often from people who want to have "fat pride". SMDH :noway:0 -
If it causes you stress to be prepared to let stuff flow off of you like the water off a goose, then you're doing it the wrong way. What I mean is when someone says something, you look at it from the outside in a way, see their ugliness and insecurity for what it is (because it takes a very insecure person to need to find strength in ridiculing and belittling others, no strong person has to draw their energy from such behaviour) and realise it has nothing to do with you. And the crap just rolls off, doesn't affect you in any way. You're teflon.I wish I was strong enough to not care at all what people say but even the most iron minded can't just brush that off. They do something to deal with it whether or not it's get up in your face and claim they are proud of something so damn terrible. I grew up in a place where it was horrible things said and thought 99% of the time and the world is simply too beautiful to live that way. The very act of being ready to be cut down at any moment causes the same kind of stress that makes it difficult to lose weight. I wouldn't mind seeing more people take responsibility for themselves and their actions since literally everyone could improve, not just us fatties.
You need to see yourself as the beautiful human being you are and you need to see you do not have to crap on others to feel better about yourself; you are that strong and you have that much integrity. Any man-made concept on the outside of you won't do anything active for your self-image, but every change happens - inside you - because you were ready for it and you made it happen.
As for everyone improving, not just you, you're right. But at the same token, you can't change anyone but yourself, so that's where all your energy should be placed. Once you're strong enough, you can give to others the way they gave to you when you needed it. That act in itself can also be a source of energy, because genuine help offered is usually gracefully accepted and you will feel when you have reached someone else. If you're not there yet, let others help you and learn to ask for help when you need it; I'm sure someone will give you a hand.0 -
^this was my repeated point yesterday.fat pride is disgusting
it fosters obesity and poor health.
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seriously if someone is obese or heavily fat. well then they don't love themselves. THEY CAN NOT, you can certainly judge people by their words, but you DEF can judge people by their actions, and if they can't take care of their temple, then frankly it is very evident that they do not truly love themselves if they can't sacrifice a few hours time, or a few moments pleasure at the mouth for the sake of keeping their temples clean.
If your "big-boned" and your doctor says your healthy then obviously I'm all about encouraging and supporting you... if you get sweaty walking up the steps into work, and reek all day from the mold growing in your fat rolls... I don't care WHAT you say - your OBESE you do not love yourself, your prob on prescription meds treating just symptoms of the root problem which is a TOTAL lack of control.
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*sigh* I usually stay out of the forums, but this popped up in my sidebar this morning and I couldn't resist.
Here's the thing with shaming...no one can "shame" you. You already feel shame, and when someone points out something you already hate about yourself, it just brings it to the surface. So, anyone who claims to be "fat-shamed"...you already are ashamed about that aspect of yourself. If you honestly love your body, love the fact that you are fat, then you won't care what anyone says in regard to your physique.
I've seen a lot of claims throughout this thread regarding fat and/or obesity and health. "But I'm fat and healthy!! My blood work is fine!!" Good for you. Let me ask you a few questions. When was the last time you had an ultrasound on your carotid arteries? An EKG? How are your joints feeling? How tired are you? How much sugar are you craving? And the ultimate question...how long do you think that good blood work is going to last? Mine lasted until I was 32. Some, of course, go much longer depending on family history and lifestyle.
Now, for the Fat Acceptance/Fat Pride/Healthy At Every Size Movement (HAES)....that's an interesting can of worms. Out of morbid (see what I did there?) curiosity, I checked out a variety of blogs from some of the leaders of the movement. While there is a lot of talk regarding acceptance and pride, there is a disturbing amount of childish vitriol towards anyone who does not agree with their position, or, in some cases, just with women who are not of size. I recommend Googling Dances With Fat, This is Thin Privilege, The Fat Nutritionist (this one just blows my mind), and check out #notyourgoodfatty on Twitter.
I'm all for loving who you are, but honesty should play a part in it.0
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