Quality of food or quantity, which is more important to you?

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  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,951 Member
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    Other sources that tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I'm an Health Care Professional.

    and those sources are?

    Being a health care professional makes you an authority on nothing. Like seeing the nurses smoking in the ambulance bay of a hospital...
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
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    Quality of food very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1 killer cancer which is fed by a high sugar diet
    #2 heart disease which is due to high sugar diet



    Cancer is not fed by sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714

    Heart disease is not caused by a high sugar diet, but too much sugar can increase mortality in people who suffer from heart disease (there is a difference). http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/eating-too-much-added-sugar-increases-the-risk-of-dying-with-heart-disease-201402067021

    Please engage in intellectual honesty if you're going to make such claims.

    I'm being honest, do your homework. Mayo clinic is not an authority on health.

    So who do YOU use as an "authority"?

    Other sources that tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I'm an Health Care Professional.

    My money's on Mercola.

    Jenny McCarthy maybe?
  • jasonmh630
    jasonmh630 Posts: 2,850 Member
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    Other sources that tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I'm an Health Care Professional.

    Unless you're a Cancer doctor or a Heart Specialist, this means nothing... I drove by our local hospital the other day and saw a drove of nurses and "Health Care" employess in the break/picnic area and most of them had a cigarette in hand.
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
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    Other sources that tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I'm an Health Care Professional.
    judging by what your saying here and your other posts, you're not a very good one.

    do you really think people are going to listen to someone who avoids listing sources so avidly?
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
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    Other sources that tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I'm an Health Care Professional.

    and those sources are?

    Being a health care professional makes you an authority on nothing. Like seeing the nurses smoking in the ambulance bay of a hospital...

    My friend is a nurse. She's a very good nurse. But she still buys into ideas like starvation mode from skipping breakfast and women getting bulky from lifting a five pound dumbbell. Being a "health care professional" is nice and all, but it's really only as good as the training a person actually received and how much of that training they've retained.
  • jasonmh630
    jasonmh630 Posts: 2,850 Member
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    One more:

    http://www.cancercenter.com/discussions/blog/does-sugar-feed-cancer/
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    I ask because I see in a lot of diaries things like a breakfast of real junk food and at the end of the day the calorie intake is right but the food quality is soooo wrong. Not that I'm judging, to each his own and I've seen some great weight losses with this method.

    Do you count every calorie and weigh you food? Do you plan out your meals the day before? I do count my calories but have never weighed my food, can't imagine it. Do you think it's important to do that and if so, why isn't counting calories enough? One thing I do religiously is plan my meals a day ahead. That way I'm not starring in the fridge or cupboard trying to figure out what to eat.

    If I meet my macro goals for weight loss or muscle gain (or whatever I am doing at the time) and I am meeting my micronutrient needs, then my "food quality" is bang on Doritos or no Doritos.

    For your information, I don't meet my iron needs without the dark chocolate. And the cookies are in there for a reason too.
  • SonicDeathMonkey80
    SonicDeathMonkey80 Posts: 4,489 Member
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    Quality of food very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1 killer cancer which is fed by a high sugar diet
    #2 heart disease which is due to high sugar diet



    Cancer is not fed by sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714

    Heart disease is not caused by a high sugar diet, but too much sugar can increase mortality in people who suffer from heart disease (there is a difference). http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/eating-too-much-added-sugar-increases-the-risk-of-dying-with-heart-disease-201402067021

    Please engage in intellectual honesty if you're going to make such claims.

    I'm being honest, do your homework. Mayo clinic is not an authority on health.

    So who do YOU use as an "authority"?

    Other sources that tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I'm an Health Care Professional.

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  • GiveMeCoffee
    GiveMeCoffee Posts: 3,556 Member
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    Quality of food very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1 killer cancer which is fed by a high sugar diet
    #2 heart disease which is due to high sugar diet



    Cancer is not fed by sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714

    Heart disease is not caused by a high sugar diet, but too much sugar can increase mortality in people who suffer from heart disease (there is a difference). http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/eating-too-much-added-sugar-increases-the-risk-of-dying-with-heart-disease-201402067021

    Please engage in intellectual honesty if you're going to make such claims.

    I'm being honest, do your homework. Mayo clinic is not an authority on health.

    Can you open your diary again so I can see just how healthy your intake is. Since I believe you average around 900 calories a day, which Ms. Healthcare professional isn't very healthy.

    Now where's my ice cream!
  • 59gi
    59gi Posts: 307 Member
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    Quality of food very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1 killer cancer which is fed by a high sugar diet
    #2 heart disease which is due to high sugar diet



    Cancer is not fed by sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714

    Heart disease is not caused by a high sugar diet, but too much sugar can increase mortality in people who suffer from heart disease (there is a difference). http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/eating-too-much-added-sugar-increases-the-risk-of-dying-with-heart-disease-201402067021

    Please engage in intellectual honesty if you're going to make such claims.

    I'm being honest, do your homework. Mayo clinic is not an authority on health.

    Can you open your diary again so I can see just how healthy your intake is. Since I believe you average around 900 calories a day, which Ms. Healthcare professional isn't very healthy.

    Now where's my ice cream!

    Denial is what you are doing, not my problem, yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Holly_Roman_Empire
    Holly_Roman_Empire Posts: 4,440 Member
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    I ask because I see in a lot of diaries things like a breakfast of real junk food and at the end of the day the calorie intake is right but the food quality is soooo wrong. Not that I'm judging, to each his own and I've seen some great weight losses with this method.

    Do you count every calorie and weigh you food? Do you plan out your meals the day before? I do count my calories but have never weighed my food, can't imagine it. Do you think it's important to do that and if so, why isn't counting calories enough? One thing I do religiously is plan my meals a day ahead. That way I'm not starring in the fridge or cupboard trying to figure out what to eat.

    If I meet my macro goals for weight loss or muscle gain (or whatever I am doing at the time) and I am meeting my micronutrient needs, then my "food quality" is bang on Doritos or no Doritos.

    For your information, I don't meet my iron needs without the dark chocolate. And the cookies are in there for a reason too.

    Because cookies are a macro, right? RIGHT?!

    cookie-monster.jpg
  • TheBrolympus
    TheBrolympus Posts: 586 Member
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    I ask because I see in a lot of diaries things like a breakfast of real junk food and at the end of the day the calorie intake is right but the food quality is soooo wrong. Not that I'm judging,

    Says the person with the closed diary! What are you hiding in there?!?
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    Also, somebody REALLY needs to use the Search function.

    You see up there, under Message Boards >> Food and Nutrition, the words with the orange arrows in front of them? Fifth from the right is the word "Search" Click that and you'll get more information than you ever wanted to know on these common topics that you are posting.
  • Holly_Roman_Empire
    Holly_Roman_Empire Posts: 4,440 Member
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    Quality of food very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1 killer cancer which is fed by a high sugar diet
    #2 heart disease which is due to high sugar diet



    Cancer is not fed by sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714

    Heart disease is not caused by a high sugar diet, but too much sugar can increase mortality in people who suffer from heart disease (there is a difference). http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/eating-too-much-added-sugar-increases-the-risk-of-dying-with-heart-disease-201402067021

    Please engage in intellectual honesty if you're going to make such claims.

    I'm being honest, do your homework. Mayo clinic is not an authority on health.

    Can you open your diary again so I can see just how healthy your intake is. Since I believe you average around 900 calories a day, which Ms. Healthcare professional isn't very healthy.

    Now where's my ice cream!

    Denial is what you are doing, not my problem, yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I noticed we live in close proximity to each other. Remind me not to visit your place of business for medical advice.
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
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    Quality of food very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1 killer cancer which is fed by a high sugar diet
    #2 heart disease which is due to high sugar diet



    Cancer is not fed by sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714

    Heart disease is not caused by a high sugar diet, but too much sugar can increase mortality in people who suffer from heart disease (there is a difference). http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/eating-too-much-added-sugar-increases-the-risk-of-dying-with-heart-disease-201402067021

    Please engage in intellectual honesty if you're going to make such claims.

    I'm being honest, do your homework. Mayo clinic is not an authority on health.

    Can you open your diary again so I can see just how healthy your intake is. Since I believe you average around 900 calories a day, which Ms. Healthcare professional isn't very healthy.

    Now where's my ice cream!

    Denial is what you are doing, not my problem, yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So, you have no sources is what I am getting from this. Just unsubstantiated "truths". Gotcha.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    I ask because I see in a lot of diaries things like a breakfast of real junk food and at the end of the day the calorie intake is right but the food quality is soooo wrong. Not that I'm judging, to each his own and I've seen some great weight losses with this method.

    Do you count every calorie and weigh you food? Do you plan out your meals the day before? I do count my calories but have never weighed my food, can't imagine it. Do you think it's important to do that and if so, why isn't counting calories enough? One thing I do religiously is plan my meals a day ahead. That way I'm not starring in the fridge or cupboard trying to figure out what to eat.

    If I meet my macro goals for weight loss or muscle gain (or whatever I am doing at the time) and I am meeting my micronutrient needs, then my "food quality" is bang on Doritos or no Doritos.

    For your information, I don't meet my iron needs without the dark chocolate. And the cookies are in there for a reason too.

    Because cookies are a macro, right? RIGHT?!

    cookie-monster.jpg

    Sometimes you need a high carb that's also a protein. And that's going to be peas or Tollhouse cookies. Sometimes you've had enough B vitamins and fiber in a day.
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
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    They are both pretty important to me...they are both pretty important to long term success (one would be hard pressed to do the SAD and maintain a healthy weight without meticulously counting calories forever).

    That said, context and dosage are also very important and a lot of newbs completely miss the boat here...a lot of newbs have an all or nothing mentality which isn't going to lead to any kind of long term success either. You see, a doughnut for breakfast and a bowl of ice cream at lunch isn't going to negate all of the other nutrition I've taken in for the day either. A lot of newbs also have a big misconception about what actually constitutes proper nutrition and categorize perfectly healthy foods as "bad" because of the calories or whatever...or something has fat (OMG the debil) and really don't understand that fat is essential to proper nutrition...again, context and dosage.

    I've been on this little safari now for almost 2 years and have been maintaining for just over a year. I don't log or count calories...haven't done so for my entire year of maintenance save for a spot check here and there. I've been able to do this because I took the time to learn how to eat during the weight loss process (just one little piece of the entire process towards being a healthier and fitter you).

    Counting calories helped me balance out my nutrition and helped me to see the bigger picture...my diet as a whole rather than getting overly wrapped up in the minutia of individual food items. I also weighed pretty much everything...I don't know why you wouldn't...you may be logging 4 oz of chicken breast, but if you haven't cut it in half it's likely you're actually eating 8 oz. What good is it to count calories when you don't actually know how much you're eating...you're just guessing at that point. Again, this was something I used to learn...I don't really use the scale all that much anymore because I've seen what an ounce of almonds looks like a million times over and I know that the average chicken breast for my particular brand is around 8 ounces, etc. I know these things because I took the time as part of the process to learn these things so that I could carry them over into perpetuity without being leashed to MFP or my scale.

    You have to understand that this is all a process. Trying to do a complete 180* and change every little thing over night is probably not going to work...it's a series of baby steps. My nutrition now is a far cry different (and better) than it was 2 years ago...but I had to start the process somewhere...and my diary didn't look quite so awesome as it would not when I first started out...but I still lost the weight...I still made myself healthy...I still made myself a fit *kitten* 40 year old.

    Process, context, dosage....

    6 pages of replies when everything that needed said was stated in the 2nd post.
  • TheBrolympus
    TheBrolympus Posts: 586 Member
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    Other sources that tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I'm an Health Care Professional.

    And I am a Computer Programmer, but I am still full of **** if I don't site my sources.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
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    Quality of food very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1 killer cancer which is fed by a high sugar diet
    #2 heart disease which is due to high sugar diet



    Cancer is not fed by sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714

    Heart disease is not caused by a high sugar diet, but too much sugar can increase mortality in people who suffer from heart disease (there is a difference). http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/eating-too-much-added-sugar-increases-the-risk-of-dying-with-heart-disease-201402067021

    Please engage in intellectual honesty if you're going to make such claims.

    I'm being honest, do your homework. Mayo clinic is not an authority on health.

    Can you open your diary again so I can see just how healthy your intake is. Since I believe you average around 900 calories a day, which Ms. Healthcare professional isn't very healthy.

    Now where's my ice cream!

    Denial is what you are doing, not my problem, yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So you don't have sources, is what you're saying.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    Quality of food very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1 killer cancer which is fed by a high sugar diet
    #2 heart disease which is due to high sugar diet



    Cancer is not fed by sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714

    Heart disease is not caused by a high sugar diet, but too much sugar can increase mortality in people who suffer from heart disease (there is a difference). http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/eating-too-much-added-sugar-increases-the-risk-of-dying-with-heart-disease-201402067021

    Please engage in intellectual honesty if you're going to make such claims.

    I'm being honest, do your homework. Mayo clinic is not an authority on health.

    Can you open your diary again so I can see just how healthy your intake is. Since I believe you average around 900 calories a day, which Ms. Healthcare professional isn't very healthy.

    Now where's my ice cream!

    Denial is what you are doing, not my problem, yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So, you have no sources is what I am getting from this. Just unsubstantiated "truths".

    And a problem with the punctuation keys.

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