Do you believe in strictly Calories In - Calories Out?
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Dr. Michael Israetel Nutritional Priorities for Body Composition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzo5Uy5aQU
Cliffs:
Most important Variables:
1. CICO -The most important of any diet
2. Macronutrient amounts
3. Nutrient Timing - considerablely less impact than 1 & 2
4. Food Composition -dead last in nutritional priority
I'd also adjust the above ot say that saiety, alignment to performance, and personal preference to adherence are more important than 3&4...0 -
This article mimics what I have experienced in real life and what I base my eating on when I am being healthy and actively trying to lose weight. Thanks for the link!Curious what everyone thinks of this article from Harvard.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
Thank you!0 -
For losing weight, yes. For being healthy, absolutely not. I am a diabetic and I have high blood pressure. Weight loss/control is only one part of being healthy. Exercise and eating food that is good for you MATTERS. For those who only watch their calories, you may not have issues today but one day you most likely will.A couple questions. I used the search function but some of the info may be outdated - not sure.
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
#2) Ever since I introduced weight lifting (bench press, squat, dead lift, shoulders) 3 weeks ago, my weight loss has screeched to a snails pace (1 pound or less per week while being in a 2.5 pound caloric deficit). It is common knowledge that you don't build muscle while in a caloric defect. Am I holding onto water in the muscles for nearly 3 weeks now? As soon as I get my hands on a tape measure large enough I'll start measuring.
#3) If Insulin stores fat, how do we lose weight while eating carbs and sugars (even in a caloric deficit) while insulin levels are elevated?
Thanks.0 -
This states the human metabolism is not a closed system and some calories are not absorbed, but excreted.Dr. Michael Israetel Nutritional Priorities for Body Compositionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzo5Uy5aQU
Cliffs:
Most important Variables:
1. CICO -The most important of any diet
2. Macronutrient amounts
3. Nutrient Timing - considerablely less impact than 1 & 2
4. Food Composition -dead last in nutritional priority
http://www.biomechanicsandhealth.com/calories.htm
If you don't eat them in the first place, they still can't make you fatter, you know.0 -
Dr. Michael Israetel Nutritional Priorities for Body Compositionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzo5Uy5aQU
Cliffs:
Most important Variables:
1. CICO -The most important of any diet
2. Macronutrient amounts
3. Nutrient Timing - considerablely less impact than 1 & 2
4. Food Composition -dead last in nutritional priority
http://www.biomechanicsandhealth.com/calories.htm
Your blog (lol) reference in no way disputes the list of important variables.0 -
Dr. Michael Israetel Nutritional Priorities for Body Compositionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzo5Uy5aQU
Cliffs:
Most important Variables:
1. CICO -The most important of any diet
2. Macronutrient amounts
3. Nutrient Timing - considerablely less impact than 1 & 2
4. Food Composition -dead last in nutritional priority
I'd also adjust the above ot say that saiety, alignment to performance, and personal preference to adherence are more important than 3&4...
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Not true old dogma.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009201059.htm?utm_source=feedburner0 -
CiCo isn't exact it doesn't follow conservation of energy exactly but it remains a solid empirical method because hundreds of studies and the leading metabolic models show that the principal factor of available energy over the long term is the energy consumed. All the other factors, that do exist, play second fiddle.
Equally one is never going to expend and store more enegry than one actually consumes, the debate is around the efficiency of the process, and whether conditions might lead to a greater degree of the consumed energy being disposed of as other waste.0 -
Dr. Michael Israetel Nutritional Priorities for Body Compositionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzo5Uy5aQU
Cliffs:
Most important Variables:
1. CICO -The most important of any diet
2. Macronutrient amounts
3. Nutrient Timing - considerablely less impact than 1 & 2
4. Food Composition -dead last in nutritional priority
I'd also adjust the above ot say that saiety, alignment to performance, and personal preference to adherence are more important than 3&4...
[/q
Not true old dogma.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009201059.htm?utm_source=feedburner
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009201059.htm?utm_source=feedburner0 -
This states the human metabolism is not a closed system and some calories are not absorbed, but excreted.Dr. Michael Israetel Nutritional Priorities for Body Compositionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzo5Uy5aQU
Cliffs:
Most important Variables:
1. CICO -The most important of any diet
2. Macronutrient amounts
3. Nutrient Timing - considerablely less impact than 1 & 2
4. Food Composition -dead last in nutritional priority
http://www.biomechanicsandhealth.com/calories.htm
If you don't eat them in the first place, they still can't make you fatter, you know.
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009201059.htm?utm_source=feedburner0 -
How is this link relevant to the conversation?
Self reported calorie intake data is notoriously inaccurate and this has been known for some time....I don't really see how that is relevant?0 -
Dr. Michael Israetel Nutritional Priorities for Body Compositionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzo5Uy5aQU
Cliffs:
Most important Variables:
1. CICO -The most important of any diet
2. Macronutrient amounts
3. Nutrient Timing - considerablely less impact than 1 & 2
4. Food Composition -dead last in nutritional priority
I'd also adjust the above ot say that saiety, alignment to performance, and personal preference to adherence are more important than 3&4...
Not true old dogma.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009201059.htm?utm_source=feedburner
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009201059.htm?utm_source=feedburner
Listen, if you want to engage in a conversation, please stop throwing up any random search result from google as some sort of science reference (and quote correctly or fix your posts - there is an edit button)
What you just referenced outlines that self reported dietary data is probably incorrect. It does not in any way invalidate the statements you quoted.
The new item - again not a study but a report of one - just outline the issue with misreporting of energy intake. It says nothing on saiety or personal preference or sports performance.
It says:This misreporting of energy intake varied among participants, and was greatest in obese men and women who underreported their intake by an average 25 percent and 41 percent0 -
If one day you eat 2000 calories, and your body burns 3000 in that same day, where do you propose the extra 1000 calories came from?1. No
2. Yes0 -
If one day you eat 2000 calories, and your body burns 3000 in that same day, where do you propose the extra 1000 calories came from?1. No
2. Yes
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009201059.htm?utm_source=feedburner0 -
Whether or not one believes in calories in vs calories out is completely irrelevant. If you jump off a tall building, the universe doesn't care whether or not your believe in gravity. You will splat into the ground no matter what you believe. The same is true about the energy equation and thermodynamics. It's not a theory, it's a scientific law. One's individual belief in the law does not matter.
As far as insulin goes, you will never completely rid yourself of insulin spikes. Protein spikes insulin so even if you go completely low/no carb, you will still have insulin spikes. If it was impossible to lose weight if insulin spikes occur, then it would impossible to lose weight. You can never completely halt insulin spiking from occurring. Insulin spikes do not last forever. The simply fact is that if your burn 3000 calories in a day and only eat 2500 then the extra 500 calories must come from somewhere. Energy does not come out of thin air. This is a very unscientific explanation of a very scientific process. For a great article on why insulin is not the enemy read this: http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Perfect!
That's why you are on my friend list!
BTW - I have type 2 diabetes and some of the things you people are saying about insulin is hilarious!0 -
A couple questions. I used the search function but some of the info may be outdated - not sure.
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
Yes, in your above example the person would still lose weight although of course they would be incredibly unhealthy and could not sustain such a diet.
#2) Ever since I introduced weight lifting (bench press, squat, dead lift, shoulders) 3 weeks ago, my weight loss has screeched to a snails pace (1 pound or less per week while being in a 2.5 pound caloric deficit). It is common knowledge that you don't build muscle while in a caloric defect. Am I holding onto water in the muscles for nearly 3 weeks now? As soon as I get my hands on a tape measure large enough I'll start measuring.
Yes, weight lifting (especially for the untrained) leads to significant water retention for quite some time due to additional glycogen storage and muscle repair. A clear indicator of this is if you take a couple days off from weight lifting you will experience a "whoosh" where you lose several pounds all at once.
#3) If Insulin stores fat, how do we lose weight while eating carbs and sugars (even in a caloric deficit) while insulin levels are elevated?
Insulin doesn't "store fat" it inhibits fat metabolism in favor of carbohydrate metabolism when blood sugar levels are high. The bold part is the important part because if you are at a caloric deficit even if all you eat is carbohydrates your body will utilize those carbohydrates for energy and therefore they won't be there anymore and your blood sugar will not be high and your body will resume burning fat for energy. Sure perhaps your body won't burn fat while its burning the carbs but that doesn't mean your body won't burn fat when it runs out of carbs to burn.0 -
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A couple questions. I used the search function but some of the info may be outdated - not sure.
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
Yes, in your above example the person would still lose weight although of course they would be incredibly unhealthy and could not sustain such a diet.
#2) Ever since I introduced weight lifting (bench press, squat, dead lift, shoulders) 3 weeks ago, my weight loss has screeched to a snails pace (1 pound or less per week while being in a 2.5 pound caloric deficit). It is common knowledge that you don't build muscle while in a caloric defect. Am I holding onto water in the muscles for nearly 3 weeks now? As soon as I get my hands on a tape measure large enough I'll start measuring.
Yes, weight lifting (especially for the untrained) leads to significant water retention for quite some time due to additional glycogen storage and muscle repair. A clear indicator of this is if you take a couple days off from weight lifting you will experience a "whoosh" where you lose several pounds all at once.
#3) If Insulin stores fat, how do we lose weight while eating carbs and sugars (even in a caloric deficit) while insulin levels are elevated?
Insulin doesn't "store fat" it inhibits fat metabolism in favor of carbohydrate metabolism when blood sugar levels are high. The bold part is the important part because if you are at a caloric deficit even if all you eat is carbohydrates your body will utilize those carbohydrates for energy and therefore they won't be there anymore and your blood sugar will not be high and your body will resume burning fat for energy. Sure perhaps your body won't burn fat while its burning the carbs but that doesn't mean your body won't burn fat when it runs out of carbs to burn.
Insulin
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin is a hormone which plays a key role in the regulation of blood glucose levels. A lack of insulin, or an inability to adequately respond to insulin, can each lead to the development of the symptoms of diabetes.
In addition to its role in controlling blood sugar levels, insulin is also involved in the storage of fat.0 -
This article dos not explain how the human body is a perpetual motion machine, nor where excess energy can come from.
If one day you eat 2000 calories, and your body burns 3000 in that same day, where do you propose the extra 1000 calories came from?1. No
2. Yes
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009201059.htm?utm_source=feedburner
I'm asking YOU a very specific question:
If one day you eat 2000 calories, and your body burns 3000 in that same day, where do you propose the extra 1000 calories came from?0 -
Please, for the next 30 days eat 5000 calories of all 'healthy', 'clean' approved foods and come back to this thread and tell us that you didn't gain any weight at all.0 -
A couple questions. I used the search function but some of the info may be outdated - not sure.
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
Yes, in your above example the person would still lose weight although of course they would be incredibly unhealthy and could not sustain such a diet.
#2) Ever since I introduced weight lifting (bench press, squat, dead lift, shoulders) 3 weeks ago, my weight loss has screeched to a snails pace (1 pound or less per week while being in a 2.5 pound caloric deficit). It is common knowledge that you don't build muscle while in a caloric defect. Am I holding onto water in the muscles for nearly 3 weeks now? As soon as I get my hands on a tape measure large enough I'll start measuring.
Yes, weight lifting (especially for the untrained) leads to significant water retention for quite some time due to additional glycogen storage and muscle repair. A clear indicator of this is if you take a couple days off from weight lifting you will experience a "whoosh" where you lose several pounds all at once.
#3) If Insulin stores fat, how do we lose weight while eating carbs and sugars (even in a caloric deficit) while insulin levels are elevated?
Insulin doesn't "store fat" it inhibits fat metabolism in favor of carbohydrate metabolism when blood sugar levels are high. The bold part is the important part because if you are at a caloric deficit even if all you eat is carbohydrates your body will utilize those carbohydrates for energy and therefore they won't be there anymore and your blood sugar will not be high and your body will resume burning fat for energy. Sure perhaps your body won't burn fat while its burning the carbs but that doesn't mean your body won't burn fat when it runs out of carbs to burn.
wrong!
Insulin
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin is a hormone which plays a key role in the regulation of blood glucose levels. A lack of insulin, or an inability to adequately respond to insulin, can each lead to the development of the symptoms of diabetes.
In addition to its role in controlling blood sugar levels, insulin is also involved in the storage of fat.0 -
Please, for the next 30 days eat 5000 calories of all 'healthy', 'clean' approved foods and come back to this thread and tell us that you didn't gain any weight at all.
This!0 -
A couple questions. I used the search function but some of the info may be outdated - not sure.
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
Yes, in your above example the person would still lose weight although of course they would be incredibly unhealthy and could not sustain such a diet.
#2) Ever since I introduced weight lifting (bench press, squat, dead lift, shoulders) 3 weeks ago, my weight loss has screeched to a snails pace (1 pound or less per week while being in a 2.5 pound caloric deficit). It is common knowledge that you don't build muscle while in a caloric defect. Am I holding onto water in the muscles for nearly 3 weeks now? As soon as I get my hands on a tape measure large enough I'll start measuring.
Yes, weight lifting (especially for the untrained) leads to significant water retention for quite some time due to additional glycogen storage and muscle repair. A clear indicator of this is if you take a couple days off from weight lifting you will experience a "whoosh" where you lose several pounds all at once.
#3) If Insulin stores fat, how do we lose weight while eating carbs and sugars (even in a caloric deficit) while insulin levels are elevated?
Insulin doesn't "store fat" it inhibits fat metabolism in favor of carbohydrate metabolism when blood sugar levels are high. The bold part is the important part because if you are at a caloric deficit even if all you eat is carbohydrates your body will utilize those carbohydrates for energy and therefore they won't be there anymore and your blood sugar will not be high and your body will resume burning fat for energy. Sure perhaps your body won't burn fat while its burning the carbs but that doesn't mean your body won't burn fat when it runs out of carbs to burn.
wrong!
Insulin
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin is a hormone which plays a key role in the regulation of blood glucose levels. A lack of insulin, or an inability to adequately respond to insulin, can each lead to the development of the symptoms of diabetes.
In addition to its role in controlling blood sugar levels, insulin is also involved in the storage of fat.
Yeah, I am familiar with what insulin does thank you. Did you have a point to make along with that copy paste of the diabetes.co.uk website? Perhaps you can explain what in what I said was somehow wrong?
Insulin is a key protein in the regulartory pathway that triggers glucose metabolism. That's it. It doesn't magically prevent fat loss in the absence of glucose and when glucose is present it gets utilized as energy until it is no longer present. If you ingest less calorically than you need in carbohydrates your body will burn those carbohydrates until they no longer exist at which point your body will resume burning fat for energy.
If you ate 2000 calories of carbohydrates and you required 2500 then your body would burn those 2000 cals of carbs first but then burn 500 cals of body fat.
If you ate 2000 calories of fat and you required 2500 then your body would burn 2000 cals of dietary fat and then 500 cals of body fat.
The end result is the same.0 -
A couple questions. I used the search function but some of the info may be outdated - not sure.
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
Yes, in your above example the person would still lose weight although of course they would be incredibly unhealthy and could not sustain such a diet.
#2) Ever since I introduced weight lifting (bench press, squat, dead lift, shoulders) 3 weeks ago, my weight loss has screeched to a snails pace (1 pound or less per week while being in a 2.5 pound caloric deficit). It is common knowledge that you don't build muscle while in a caloric defect. Am I holding onto water in the muscles for nearly 3 weeks now? As soon as I get my hands on a tape measure large enough I'll start measuring.
Yes, weight lifting (especially for the untrained) leads to significant water retention for quite some time due to additional glycogen storage and muscle repair. A clear indicator of this is if you take a couple days off from weight lifting you will experience a "whoosh" where you lose several pounds all at once.
#3) If Insulin stores fat, how do we lose weight while eating carbs and sugars (even in a caloric deficit) while insulin levels are elevated?
Insulin doesn't "store fat" it inhibits fat metabolism in favor of carbohydrate metabolism when blood sugar levels are high. The bold part is the important part because if you are at a caloric deficit even if all you eat is carbohydrates your body will utilize those carbohydrates for energy and therefore they won't be there anymore and your blood sugar will not be high and your body will resume burning fat for energy. Sure perhaps your body won't burn fat while its burning the carbs but that doesn't mean your body won't burn fat when it runs out of carbs to burn.
wrong!
Insulin
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin is a hormone which plays a key role in the regulation of blood glucose levels. A lack of insulin, or an inability to adequately respond to insulin, can each lead to the development of the symptoms of diabetes.
In addition to its role in controlling blood sugar levels, insulin is also involved in the storage of fat.
If you're going to respond with information from a source, you need to include a link to the source material in your post. It's just more fun for the rest of us to be able to quote other portions of the article that contradict what you cherry-picked as "support" for your position.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/body/insulin.html0 -
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
Fat loss comes technically down to calories in < calories out. But it's often more than that in practical application. And if you lose enough fat you should lose weight But, there are situations where weight loss may not occur during a calorie deficit because weight is more than just fat.0 -
Quoting things multiple times and in multiple ways (via multiple links) does not make it more correct.0
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Quoting things multiple times and in multiple ways (via multiple links) does not make it more correct.0
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A couple questions. I used the search function but some of the info may be outdated - not sure.
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
#2) Ever since I introduced weight lifting (bench press, squat, dead lift, shoulders) 3 weeks ago, my weight loss has screeched to a snails pace (1 pound or less per week while being in a 2.5 pound caloric deficit). It is common knowledge that you don't build muscle while in a caloric defect. Am I holding onto water in the muscles for nearly 3 weeks now? As soon as I get my hands on a tape measure large enough I'll start measuring.
#3) If Insulin stores fat, how do we lose weight while eating carbs and sugars (even in a caloric deficit) while insulin levels are elevated?
Thanks.
1) Yes, no
2) You can easily hold onto water that long if you start training
3) You do lose weight - http://www.weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Note however, some people may do better from a metabolic perspective by limiting carbs0 -
A couple questions. I used the search function but some of the info may be outdated - not sure.
#1) Do YOU believe in strictly calories in - calories out? As in, you could eat all of your calories in pure table sugar, and although its incredibly unhealthy, you would lose weight if you're in a caloric defecit? If so, is there ever a situation where a caloric deficit would NOT lead to weight loss?
Yes, in your above example the person would still lose weight although of course they would be incredibly unhealthy and could not sustain such a diet.
#2) Ever since I introduced weight lifting (bench press, squat, dead lift, shoulders) 3 weeks ago, my weight loss has screeched to a snails pace (1 pound or less per week while being in a 2.5 pound caloric deficit). It is common knowledge that you don't build muscle while in a caloric defect. Am I holding onto water in the muscles for nearly 3 weeks now? As soon as I get my hands on a tape measure large enough I'll start measuring.
Yes, weight lifting (especially for the untrained) leads to significant water retention for quite some time due to additional glycogen storage and muscle repair. A clear indicator of this is if you take a couple days off from weight lifting you will experience a "whoosh" where you lose several pounds all at once.
#3) If Insulin stores fat, how do we lose weight while eating carbs and sugars (even in a caloric deficit) while insulin levels are elevated?
Insulin doesn't "store fat" it inhibits fat metabolism in favor of carbohydrate metabolism when blood sugar levels are high. The bold part is the important part because if you are at a caloric deficit even if all you eat is carbohydrates your body will utilize those carbohydrates for energy and therefore they won't be there anymore and your blood sugar will not be high and your body will resume burning fat for energy. Sure perhaps your body won't burn fat while its burning the carbs but that doesn't mean your body won't burn fat when it runs out of carbs to burn.
wrong!
Insulin
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin instructs cells to take in glucose from the blood
Insulin is a hormone which plays a key role in the regulation of blood glucose levels. A lack of insulin, or an inability to adequately respond to insulin, can each lead to the development of the symptoms of diabetes.
In addition to its role in controlling blood sugar levels, insulin is also involved in the storage of fat.
Plagiarism is bad, mkay?0 -
Quoting things multiple times and in multiple ways (via multiple links) does not make it more correct.0
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Quoting things multiple times and in multiple ways (via multiple links) does not make it more correct.0
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