Do you believe in strictly Calories In - Calories Out?
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When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But you haven't showed us ANY yet.
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I think you need to do some research on the difference between a scientific study and an opinion. It may help you
There aren't any studies that prove it wrong, if so please present it..........we'll wait
You seriously have got to be the worst poster I have seen on MFP in a long time. You always just throw out opinions with no substance. Ever. EVER.Yes, because our body does not utilize every calorie the same.
No you need to study my friend.
http://www.thegreatfitnessexperiment.com/2011/07/harvard-says-calories-incalories-out-model-is-flawed-so-what-do-we-use-instead.html
It's not my opinion. I have done many years of research on the subject, and do not have the time or inclination to post every research document that I have read over the 35+ years. CICO is wrong. Quality of foods matter, because we metabolize them differently.
You do not need to agree with me, but you need to stick to the subject matter without attacking me personally.
Why are we supposed to stick to your 'facts' when you don't wish back them up? I suppose that all of your knowledge comes from peer reviewed scientific research articles? Or does it come from opinion blogs? These are important distinctions. The fact that you don't even know that CICO does NOT mean food quality doesn't matter is very telling to me.
If you read my other posts on MFP you will see that I have posted many research data, so I do back up what I'm saying. CICO is wrong.
Why Calories Count
The Science Behind Why Calories Matter - And Why Dismissing Them Is Naive
http://ca.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding/why-calories-count.html
"Aragon told me that no such study exists that shows people being overfed and losing weight. What’s more, there is no study in existence that shows people being underfed and not losing weight. "
Here is one: http://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/
Wrong Harvard is not an opinion source.
http://www.thegreatfitnessexperiment.com/2011/07/harvard-says-calories-incalories-out-model-is-flawed-so-what-do-we-use-instead.html
Yeah actually, that is an opinion source written by someone named Charlotte on a commercial website called thegreatfitness experiment. It is not a study. It mentions a "study" but when you click the link rather than take you to an actual study it takes you to another internet opinion piece by someone named Jane Brody in which a "Harvard study" is mentioned but not cited.
Where is the actual study? Did you read the actual study?
How is this my friend:
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
Okay I did some digging on pubmed with those authors mentioned in the opinion article and came up with this study published in JAMA in 2012.
Is this the study you are referring to?
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1199154
Have you read it?
This may be the study metioned in the Harvard gazette article, but it's not the study mentioned in thegreatfitnessexperiment article. There were not 120,000+ participants in this study. The Nurse's Health Study is likely what is refered to originally.
I read a lot of publications from Harvard, and they do often state that not all calories are created equal. But, they usually mean from a health perspective or, for weight loss, from a satiety and sustainability perspective. It is not their stance that fat loss does not require a calorie deficit.0 -
When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/0026-0495(64)90098-8/abstract?cc=y?cc=y
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0026049564900988
Book was closed on this in 1964 with a comprehensive study under controlled conditions in which all test subjects were kept in hospital and their intake strictly controlled for long periods of time.
As a scientist I have journal access and am happy to email the study to anyone who is interested.0 -
#2 is a myth, I lost close to 50 lbs, lost around 4 lbs of water and packed around 12 lbs of muscle. Thats in six months, I am not done yet and have no problem losing fat and building muscle.
So you've lost 62 pounds of fat and gained 12 pounds of muscle simultaneously? Are you on roids?
Body recomp good job man. The nutrition man you mastered it.0 -
Another article, not a study. Geesh.0 -
It say BLOG right in the link... You're not even trying. Are you just trolling?0 -
I certainly hope so...
It say BLOG right in the link... You're not even trying. Are you just trolling?
In anticipation of her next article, I've taken the liberty of creating this link: http://bit.ly/1lOjSgT
(psst... the first thing it turns up is that last blog post, lol)0 -
I bulked in 2012 eating the cleanest foods that ever did clean. I was Super Paleo Man™. The "secret" was in eating at a calorie surplus. I also cut in the next year eating SAD (but keeping certain protein and fat minimums). The "secret" this time was in eating at a calorie deficit.
So yeah, I guess I believe in strictly CI-CO...because it's worked for me for years (and actually for my entire life, except that I didn't track to see it through the first 40 years or so). I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work similarly for others.0 -
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When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/0026-0495(64)90098-8/abstract?cc=y?cc=y
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0026049564900988
Book was closed on this in 1964 with a comprehensive study under controlled conditions in which all test subjects were kept in hospital and their intake strictly controlled for long periods of time.
As a scientist I have journal access and am happy to email the study to anyone who is interested.
For those who cannot see the actual study here is an image capture of the discussion section with the conclusions:
So I provided a link to a scientific study conducted under controlled conditions supporting CICO. Your turn.
ETA: Cannot get the image to post, here is the direct link
http://postimg.org/image/3zcsi083j/0 -
More data:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/calorie-calorie-harvard-study-compares-popular-weight-loss/story?id=16654506
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?pagewanted=all
Click here to learn more about the study or go to abcnews.go.com/Health/calorie-calorie-harvard-study-compares-popular-weight-loss/story?id=16654506 .
Do you even know what a study is. ALL of your links are to opinion pieces in newspapers.
And they ALL link to, refer to, or allude to, the exact same thing.0 -
Woh. What happened to this thread? Lol0
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Nope. Abandon thread.
You're not a troll, you're just dense.0 -
Just stop. You seem to be unable to comprehend the differentiation between a study and an article.0 -
When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have...your turn.0 -
The burden of proof is on you since you are making the claim that something that is common knowledge is false.When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SIDE NOTE This could the first time I make a comment about how bad a poster is and that person goes ahead and reinforces my claim by doing one hell of a job giving 1 or 2 word responses or copy paste of articles NOT STUDIES, that have no value.
Well played.......oh wait.
ON YOU WITH YOUR DOGMA!
http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/0 -
Still an article, not a study. Give. It. Up.0 -
Relevant figure from the 1964 metabolic study conducted by Kinsell et al.
Alterations in macronutrient ratios made no difference on rate of weight loss over a 3 month period when subject was in a completely controlled environment. This study was done in a hospital under completely controlled conditions, subject only ate what was given to them by the study coordinators...it was not a "survey".0 -
When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have...your turn.
I'm sorry you don't like to be wrong, but you are LOLLLLLL!!!!!
http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/0 -
More data:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/calorie-calorie-harvard-study-compares-popular-weight-loss/story?id=16654506
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?pagewanted=all
Click here to learn more about the study or go to abcnews.go.com/Health/calorie-calorie-harvard-study-compares-popular-weight-loss/story?id=16654506 .
Do you even know what a study is. ALL of your links are to opinion pieces in newspapers.
And they ALL link to, refer to, or allude to, the exact same thing.
The exact same thing that doesn't even seem to suggest any such thing that she is claiming. But it is an old known fact that articles reinterpret studies in ways that make it more interesting. "Eating crap soon makes you hungry again" isn't as nice a headline as "EVERYTHING YOU'VE KNOWN ABOUT DIETING IS A LIE"
Like the aspartame cancer thing. Good times.0 -
Still an article, not a study. Give. It. Up.
You are wrong !!!!!!!!
http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/0 -
Now the trolling is apparent..........0
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When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have...your turn.
I'm sorry you don't like to be wrong, but you are LOLLLLLL!!!!!
http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/
Just curious, do you use this site to count your calories?0 -
Still an article, not a study. Give. It. Up.
You are wrong !!!!!!!!
http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/
Studies have data. They have figures. They have an author list. They have citations.
What they don't have is ads along the side of the page on a commercial website.
Once again, that is not a study.0 -
4chan is that you?When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have...your turn.
I'm sorry you don't like to be wrong, but you are LOLLLLLL!!!!!
http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/0 -
Get scientific fact and show me " how a diet fool of doughnuts are good for you!"0
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Surely, even the CICO purists have seen studies where different macro combinations resulted in different weight and fat loss amounts, right?0
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