Fast Food Workers Strikes = Win for better health
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Tell you what. You take away the CEO and VPs that guided a company into a multi-billion dollar entity, or even keeps them at that level ('cause they're not paying salaries of hundreds of millions a year unless they are at least that successful) and replace them with those willing to take a couple hundred grand or so. See how quickly that company fails, how many people are then out of work.
There's a reason they are paid what they are - it's called demand. If you could find people to do those jobs just as well who would work for significantly less, then they would be replaced. Just like I would be replaced if my company found someone that could do my job as well or better for less.
You could just as easily say employees are making money on the backs of company leadership. Without a somewhat successful company, there are no jobs for those employees. No salary. No raise. No benefits. Let the employee go out and start and run their own company if they want. Or if the leaderships' salaries are offensive, let them go work for a smaller, less successful business.
Costco, anyone?0 -
I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
Sad but this thread is just a microcosm of what is going on in our society today.
A lot of pitting one group against another in the name of fairness.0 -
First I'll say, I don't work for a government agency and don't get free health care. I do contribute to it. So because I have healthcare I can't feel like I'm under valued? You can easily look into what it takes to get certified to do EMS and go do it. It doesn't take much. What does take work is getting the experience and being skilled enough to secure a spot in a higher level agency. If someone does retail and isn't happy with the pay and lack of benefits they can come do what I do. I've told people to look into it and many times I'm told "No way, I couldn't do you job, I can't see all the blood and sick people or death...it's rough". But then at the same time it's okay for that person to say they would rather stay in retail or fast food but they should get paid what I do?One thing people need to remember, which I mentioned in one of my earliest posts on this thread, is that you also have to take into account the value of the benefits, if any, you receive with your job. This includes not just the obvious health insurance, but paid leave time, sick time, matching contributions to retirement plans, etc. All these things combined with your salary make up your total compensation package. So a worker might get a fairly low salary but receive excellent benefits, which can make up for low pay. Government jobs are often like this, so to compare an EMT's or police officer's salary to that of an entry-level retail job is just ludicrous.
Now consider this in light of the fast food workers' demands. Not only do front-line, entry level workers usually make only minimum wage, they also rarely work more than 20 hours a week or get any of the aforementioned benefits. Imagine being very ill but not being able to call in sick because you will lose a day's pay. Imagine really wanting to take a week's vacation to spend with your kids in summer, but not being able to because it means you can't make the rent or electricity payment. Imagine wanting to work 40 hours a week but your boss won't give you the time - "company policy." Many of the benefits those of us who have progressed in our careers take for granted are simply not available to FF workers, no matter how hard they work. What might seem like an unreasonably high wage increase request on their parts isn't really so high when you consider they get none of those other benefits.
We can argue until we turn purple whether minwage jobs were or weren't meant to support families, provide the bare necessities, give teenagers extra spending money for college, and so on, but the fact remains that the majority of people in these jobs TODAY aren't teens. They're over age 25, often have families, and about a third of them have at least some college education, including earning a degree. Are there slackers who work in fast food? Of course there are, just like there are slackers in any industry, both high and low wage ones. But sadly, in today's society, working your butt off to get ahead in life doesn't always cut it anymore.
I'm sorry, but you've lost me here. I'm not sure how what I wrote engendered this response. Really.0 -
I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
Sad but this thread is just a microcosm of what is going on in our society today.
A lot of pitting one group against another in the name of fairness.
I agree with this. I had a response pages back about what it takes to start a business, the money time and money, the years of no profit because you're putting everything back into what you're starting and got scoffed at. Obviously there aren't a lot of business owners that are responding to this topic. If there were then there would be a lot more understanding instead of outrage and the "It's not FAAAAIIIIIIR!"
Not every entrepreneur came from money.0 -
I have re-thought my postion....in order to have an apartment, food, electric and the other neceissities of life in New York City.....to have all needs met....the minimum wage should be raised to 50K....that's a fair wage.....
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And in about 45 other states, that's a Junior E.E., M.E.0 -
Only read OP. Ridiculous.0
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I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
Sad but this thread is just a microcosm of what is going on in our society today.
A lot of pitting one group against another in the name of fairness.
I agree with this. I had a response pages back about what it takes to start a business, the money time and money, the years of no profit because you're putting everything back into what you're starting and got scoffed at. Obviously there aren't a lot of business owners that are responding to this topic. If there were then there would be a lot more understanding instead of outrage and the "It's not FAAAAIIIIIIR!"
Not every entrepreneur came from money.
You are right on the money...
People don't realize what it takes to start and run your own biz. If they did they wouldn't be so quick to give other peoples money away.0 -
It's not a question of equality, it's a question of performance.
(...)Today I learned that unskilled workers shouldn't be allowed to survive. Maybe it would be simpler to just execute high school dropouts and the bottom 10% of each graduating class...
You have to make it happen. You can't expect life to just keep giving you so we can all say we are "equal".
I'm as big a fan of the free market as any, but my personal experience has consistently been that people do best when they're under some pressure but not to the point of anxiety.
Applying this to wages, unskilled labour shouldn't allow a luxurious lifestyle, but it should allow for food and shelter. My guess is that they're demanding 15$ to get 10.
For the record, I think it's effed up that you needed to get a second job as an EMT.0 -
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I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
Sad but this thread is just a microcosm of what is going on in our society today.
A lot of pitting one group against another in the name of fairness.
I agree with this. I had a response pages back about what it takes to start a business, the money time and money, the years of no profit because you're putting everything back into what you're starting and got scoffed at. Obviously there aren't a lot of business owners that are responding to this topic. If there were then there would be a lot more understanding instead of outrage and the "It's not FAAAAIIIIIIR!"
Not every entrepreneur came from money.
You are right on the money...
People don't realize what it takes to start and run your own biz. If they did they wouldn't be so quick to give other peoples money away.
And that applies to this thread how? Is there a great concern over the number of startup, mom & pop, fast food restaurants out there?
Ray Kroc has been dead a long time people. You don't need to worry about him. For the most part we're discussing billion dollar a year, multi-national corporations. Mom & pop joints barely even hire minimum wage employees, they do those jobs themselves to save money.
Who's talking about a Mom & Pop joint? You really don't think it takes a lot of time and effort to create a business that is worth billions of dollars? Do you think these multi billion dollar companies were magically created?
ETA: Have you ever watched the show The Shark Tank where every day people who have a business or an ideago to investors with their ideas because they need money to grow and expand. They're every day people who have a dream of making billions of dollars. Is that wrong of them? Should they not seek additional funding because they want to expand?
A lot of these people have sunk their time and hard earned money into their idea and their business and have no funds left to expand. THAT is how a multi-billion dollar company is created.0 -
I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
To paraphrase Chris Rock... if make a million dollars a year and you have to give someone 500,000, it might suck but you aren't going to starve or anything. But if you make 30,000 and you have to give someone 15,000, you might be living on the streets very shortly. Just saying it's different depending on how much money you have, the impact that 'giving it away' has on you.
I'm honestly curious how you can justify people hoarding millions and billions of dollars to themselves. What for? What could they possibly need all that money for? Shouldn't some of it be collected via taxes so it can help fund our roads, water, police, firemen, hospitals, power infrastructure, and all the things that the country needs to run smoothly? All the infrastructure that made it possible for them to amass their Smaug-sized hoards of gold? I don't believe everyone should be forced to have equal wealth, but there's a point where the inequality just gets ridiculous. In a wealthy country like the US there should not be citizens that work 80 hours a week and still don't have a pot to piss in.0 -
Entry level jobs are not meant to sustain independence let alone a family.0
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I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
Sad but this thread is just a microcosm of what is going on in our society today.
A lot of pitting one group against another in the name of fairness.
I agree with this. I had a response pages back about what it takes to start a business, the money time and money, the years of no profit because you're putting everything back into what you're starting and got scoffed at. Obviously there aren't a lot of business owners that are responding to this topic. If there were then there would be a lot more understanding instead of outrage and the "It's not FAAAAIIIIIIR!"
Not every entrepreneur came from money.
You are right on the money...
People don't realize what it takes to start and run your own biz. If they did they wouldn't be so quick to give other peoples money away.
And that applies to this thread how? Is there a great concern over the number of startup, mom & pop, fast food restaurants out there?
Ray Kroc has been dead a long time people. You don't need to worry about him. For the most part we're discussing billion dollar a year, multi-national corporations. Mom & pop joints barely even hire minimum wage employees, they do those jobs themselves to save money.
Wrong, it isn't the multi-national companies with the CEO's making millions of dollars a year that this only effects. It effects the Dairy Queen franchise that is owned by a local family just trying to do better for their kids than they had it. It effects the convenience store on the corner that is locally owned. Some of you are right, it probably wouldn't hurt the companies like McD's very much. They will compensate somehow. However, the local small business owners will hurt the most. It would probably hurt their employees the most because some will have to be let go or cut to part time while the owner will probably have to pick up hours to compensate for the higher wages they are having to pay.
That's OK though. Lets stick it to the man. The man that helped create a company, or grow the company to the point that it could employ so many people.0 -
I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
To paraphrase Chris Rock... if make a million dollars a year and you have to give someone 500,000, it might suck but you aren't going to starve or anything. But if you make 30,000 and you have to give someone 15,000, you might be living on the streets very shortly. Just saying it's different depending on how much money you have, the impact that 'giving it away' has on you.
I'm honestly curious how you can justify people hoarding millions and billions of dollars to themselves. What for? What could they possibly need all that money for? Shouldn't some of it be collected via taxes so it can help fund our roads, water, police, firemen, hospitals, power infrastructure, and all the things that the country needs to run smoothly? All the infrastructure that made it possible for them to amass their Smaug-sized hoards of gold? I don't believe everyone should be forced to have equal wealth, but there's a point where the inequality just gets ridiculous. In a wealthy country like the US there should not be citizens that work 80 hours a week and still don't have a pot to piss in.
And who are you to tell someone how much is enough?
And businesses pay taxes. They pay a LOT of taxes. Every quarter they pay taxes. They also have to pick up things like the Employment taxes (Social security and Medicare taxes, Federal income tax withholding, Federal unemployment (FUTA) tax)
workers compensation, insurance -- property, E&O, D&O, EPL, Fiduciary (if they're big enough and they have a certain number of employees, board members, offer 401K's etc).
It's laughable that people think company's don't pay taxes.
My husband is a business owner and the amount of taxes he has to shell out per quarter would astound you and that has nothing to do with what he has to pay out at the end of every year.0 -
I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
Sad but this thread is just a microcosm of what is going on in our society today.
A lot of pitting one group against another in the name of fairness.
There's actually a word for what you're describing; it's called "charitable contributions".
I've worked hard to get where I am; I did a four year degree while working 2-3 part time jobs at a time (in the summers 1 full time, 2 part time) and basically didn't sleep to finance that. I've got experience in my field, I'm fantastic at my job, and I've built a skill set that is hard to come by, so I'm well compensated for it.
I do think that those who make more than enough to take care of themselves and whoever may be dependent on them should be helping those who are struggling, because quite frankly, if you're middle to upper class and you can pay your bills, you live in a country where you have access to clean water, food, etc it's not a crazy concept to think that you should be willing to help others who didn't happen to win the birth lottery (whether in your own country or abroad).
I put 10% (sometimes more) of my income towards charitable contributions and I've never made more than 12k a year (and don't worry, I've got student debt, I pay rent and utilities, I own a car which I have insurance on, buy my own food etc). If everyone in the world who could afford to put 10%, hell, 1% of the money they made towards helping others we would be significantly better off as a global society.0 -
And who are you to tell someone how much is enough?
I'm a nobody. But a billion is enough to where you and about 20 generations of offspring would never have to work or want for anything in the world for their entire lives. Why does anyone need more than that? You answered my question with a question. Why does someone need a billion dollars?0 -
Why does someone need $100k?0
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I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
To paraphrase Chris Rock... if make a million dollars a year and you have to give someone 500,000, it might suck but you aren't going to starve or anything. But if you make 30,000 and you have to give someone 15,000, you might be living on the streets very shortly. Just saying it's different depending on how much money you have, the impact that 'giving it away' has on you.
I'm honestly curious how you can justify people hoarding millions and billions of dollars to themselves. What for? What could they possibly need all that money for? Shouldn't some of it be collected via taxes so it can help fund our roads, water, police, firemen, hospitals, power infrastructure, and all the things that the country needs to run smoothly? All the infrastructure that made it possible for them to amass their Smaug-sized hoards of gold? I don't believe everyone should be forced to have equal wealth, but there's a point where the inequality just gets ridiculous. In a wealthy country like the US there should not be citizens that work 80 hours a week and still don't have a pot to piss in.
And who are you to tell someone how much is enough?
And businesses pay taxes. They pay a LOT of taxes. Every quarter they pay taxes. They also have to pick up things like the Employment taxes (Social security and Medicare taxes, Federal income tax withholding, Federal unemployment (FUTA) tax)
workers compensation, insurance -- property, E&O, D&O, EPL, Fiduciary (if they're big enough and they have a certain number of employees, board members, offer 401K's etc).
It's laughable that people think company's don't pay taxes.
My husband is a business owner and the amount of taxes he has to shell out per quarter would astound you and that has nothing to do with what he has to pay out at the end of every year.
I own my own biz So I know what it takes to keep it going. I pay plenty of taxes A lot more then my employees. . Who are you to say how much money I or any other CEO yes I am the CEO of my own company can make?? Biz owners take the risk put up our own money and many times go without taking home a salary to keep our employees and bills paid. No one wants to talk about that. No one ever brings up the many hours spent and money made and reinvested into a biz.
I work more then 80 hours a week and there were many times early on I didn't have a pot to piss in. I didn't whine about it. I kept working to grow my biz. Like I said in my earlier post a microcosm of society today. Give it to me its not fair you make more money then me0 -
I have to say this thread is very interesting and has reveled a lot. Many people are very jealous of others success. They don't feel they deserve it. They want to take from one group and give it to another just based on what they perceive to be fair. I wonder how the same people would feel If I thought it would be fair to give some of their salary to other employees in the company ... to be fair you are making more then so and so and he /deserves more money.
Sad but this thread is just a microcosm of what is going on in our society today.
A lot of pitting one group against another in the name of fairness.
There's actually a word for what you're describing; it's called "charitable contributions".
I've worked hard to get where I am; I did a four year degree while working 2-3 part time jobs at a time (in the summers 1 full time, 2 part time) and basically didn't sleep to finance that. I've got experience in my field, I'm fantastic at my job, and I've built a skill set that is hard to come by, so I'm well compensated for it.
I do think that those who make more than enough to take care of themselves and whoever may be dependent on them should be helping those who are struggling, because quite frankly, if you're middle to upper class and you can pay your bills, you live in a country where you have access to clean water, food, etc it's not a crazy concept to think that you should be willing to help others who didn't happen to win the birth lottery (whether in your own country or abroad).
I put 10% (sometimes more) of my income towards charitable contributions and I've never made more than 12k a year (and don't worry, I've got student debt, I pay rent and utilities, I own a car which I have insurance on, buy my own food etc). If everyone in the world who could afford to put 10%, hell, 1% of the money they made towards helping others we would be significantly better off as a global society.
There is a big difference between deciding to donate a percentage of ones money to their charity of choice and taking what you earned and distributing it evenly out among the masses. THAT is what people are talking about.
Like the first person said if everyone feels that higher ups should take the profits and distribute it to the employees to make it "fair" then those who make a bit more than someone else in their department should share their paycheck too so that everyone's earnings are the same.
Seriously how would you feel if you had to do that?0 -
Why does someone need $100k?
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OH FOR SURE... Let's blame the "fast food slingers" for us being fat! Let's never take responsibility for our own choice to overeat and get fat. SheezzzSo this whole thing about people being paid more or refusing to work is a good thing. That means these places will have less workers to sling unhealthy junk foods! its a good thing!0 -
Why does someone need $100k?
:huh:
That's triple my salary. Is all that money really necessary?0 -
And to say they should pay more in taxes is ridiculous. The top 10% in the nation pay almost all the taxes of our land. Most Americans don't even or barely pay taxes.
But people ignore that fact because OMG! The Evil RICH!0 -
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Why does someone need $100k?
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That's triple my salary. Is all that money really necessary?
And again who are you to say how much money a person needs or what is necessary?0 -
Why does someone need $100k?
:huh:
That's triple my salary. Is all that money really necessary?
I guess that depends on the standard of living you want to have and how you wish to provide for yourself and/or your family (if one's so inclined to have one). I think so, yes.0 -
Any good business owner (regardless of mom and pop or even a car dealership, gym owner, etc) puts in loads of time. That goes with the territory. We aren't debating whether or not they work hard nor that they don't deserve to make a good living. But regardless of how tirelessly and long a good business owner works, they don't achieve success without help down the line. Whether it's from family/relatives working for/with them or hiring employees to cover shifts or complete work they don't have time to commit to, it's going to be some sort of organized team effort. We're not talking about making the employees millionaires, but I've seen many times that if a business owner takes good care of their employees, their profits rise possibly helping them to become a millionaire.Who's talking about a Mom & Pop joint? You really don't think it takes a lot of time and effort to create a business that is worth billions of dollars? Do you think these multi billion dollar companies were magically created?
ETA: Have you ever watched the show The Shark Tank where every day people who have a business or an ideago to investors with their ideas because they need money to grow and expand. They're every day people who have a dream of making billions of dollars. Is that wrong of them? Should they not seek additional funding because they want to expand?
A lot of these people have sunk their time and hard earned money into their idea and their business and have no funds left to expand. THAT is how a multi-billion dollar company is created.
The reverse is also true. Treat your employees like peons and I doubt business will last very long.
I will say that a lot of people I know who don't make a lot of money live way beyond their means (high credit debt), but in America that's how a lot of people roll.
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