Sorry I'm Not Sorry - I gotta rant!
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while the bolded may be true(I haven't researched it) it still comes down to consuming more cals than you use to gain Weight. I fact if you are in a deficit and your body does somehow store, it will still have to metabolize the equivalent plus your deficit to function.I agree with the original poster. Bravo!
For example, recent research has shown that artificial sweeteners, while technically counting as zero calories, may cause spikes in blood sugar and lead to obesity, diabetes, and so forth. In this case, the math is not as simple as calories in/calories out and macros.
While I am not a clean eater or a champion of Paleo, there is much to be said in the research for a sensible diet primarily based on vegetables, lean protein, ,low-glycemic carbs, and some fruits.
I also say, in advance, that I am not sorry if anyone finds this "offensive" and engages in another ad infinitum, ad nauseam round of faux outrage,
I do not come here to instagram rainbows and puppies but to speak the frank truth.
Warm regards,
-G.e.C0 -
I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, but the bottom line is; sugar and processed foods cause inflammation. PERIOD. Inflammation causes a whole host of other problems including weight gain.
Inflammation of what?
My taste buds.0 -
Unhappy, unhealthy, unfit person here checking in.
Sup there, my gelato princess?
Nuffin. Just #eatingclean
OMG ME TOO!
Michael Jordan eats hot dogs, and Spongebob Thighgap eats chocolate... Hmmmm
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Love this...:drinker:0 -
"You are what you eat!" REALLY??
Cows eat grass and hay (They are still cows)
Horses eat grass and hay (They are still horses)
Robins eat worms (They are still robins)
Moles eat worms (They are still moles)
I diet my way, you diet yours! To each his own!
today I'm a protein bar, no wonder I feel so chewed up
today I'm a banana, no wonder I feel so erect.0 -
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So that's cool. I'll just go ahead and eat nothing but pizza and honey buns and drink nothing but mountain dew...because you said I will lose weight doing so.
I've lost 27lbs eating pizza and drinking mt dew....
And I applaud you for that. If it worked for me, believe me, I would still be doing it.0 -
You shoudn't be sorry!
I just 'tried' to have this conversation with someone - you get out what you put in. Eat poorly, workout half *kitten*, lose no weight, feel bad, then give up! Eat better, kick a&& workouts, lose weight, feel great, keep going - increase your health outlook!
I admit, we all reach this point in our own time but don't knock it until you try it!
hmmm...what about the combo of eating "ok", having kick-*kitten* workouts, losing body fat, feeling great, continuing to succeed?
Yes. It happened to me. True story!!
On the subject of "clean eating". I wash my fruits and veggies. I eat cheeseburgers and fries. I eat ice cream and other 'processed' goodies pretty much on a daily basis. I weigh all of my food (except those prepared from 3rd party sources). In 10 months I lost 58 lbs, went from Obese to Overweight, regained my periods (which were something I'd have maybe 3 times a year if I was lucky), and was able to finally conceive my 2nd child. I've been monitored by my doctor through the ENTIRE process too, and my blood panels are perfect.
Calorie deficit & moderation of all foods. That's what I did. Am I unhealthy? Nope, not one bit according to all my blood work and my doctors (GP & OBGYN).0 -
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Unhappy, unhealthy, unfit person here checking in.
Sup there, my gelato princess?
Nuffin. Just #eatingclean
OMG ME TOO!
Michael Jordan eats hot dogs, and Spongebob Thighgap eats chocolate... Hmmmm
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"You are what you eat!" REALLY??
Cows eat grass and hay (They are still cows)
Horses eat grass and hay (They are still horses)
Robins eat worms (They are still robins)
Moles eat worms (They are still moles)
I diet my way, you diet yours! To each his own!
today I'm a protein bar, no wonder I feel so chewed up
today I'm a banana, no wonder I feel so erect.
I'm eating frozen yogurt from the clearance section. I guess that makes me cheap.0 -
What if I just like it when my BF calls me a dirty eater? A dirty, dirty, bad eater...
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So that's cool. I'll just go ahead and eat nothing but pizza and honey buns and drink nothing but mountain dew...because you said I will lose weight doing so.
I've lost 27lbs eating pizza and drinking mt dew....
And I applaud you for that. If it worked for me, believe me, I would still be doing it.0 -
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You haven't eaten at a deficit then. It is physically impossible for your body to take in less calories than it expends and not lose weight. I am being literal here. It is physically impossible.Yeah...I get it. I agree with you. I have to pay attention to all the macros, not just calories. If I focus on strictly calories in/calories out, I won't lose.
if you burn more than you consume....you will.
If it were that easy, I would be skinny. If that works for you, then that is excellent. I must be the exception to the rule. I have tried to lose weight every way imaginable (with the exception of surgery). I'm not saying I eat clean. I still eat some processed foods. I am just saying, I personally need to pay attention to the whole picture in order to be successful. Counting calories alone will sabotage me every time. I have learned this by trial and error. I am sorry if you don't believe me, but it is true.
so then you're not arguing against the fact that if one burns more than they consume, they will lose weight.
your issue is that you cant seem to keep your cals below your burn.
fair enough.
i thought you were saying that you were eating at a deficit and not losing weight.
I am arguing that I have eaten at a deficit before and not lost weight. I am also saying that eating processed foods doesn't fill me up like healthier options do. I am also saying that I have previously gone over my calorie limit due to still being hungry an hour after eating processed foods. I am also saying that I have damn near starved myself, and still not lost weight.
My question is, why are you disagreeing with how my body works? It seems that you know nothing about me or my ability to lose weight...and people like YOU make me dislike this site. Not people like the OP.
You weren't at a deficit, simple as that.
i feel like i should insert a special snowflake gif here, but i will refrain.
EDIT: nevermind....already been done. lol
as stated above, you were not eating at a deficit.
are you measuring and weighing EVERYTHING? if not, then how do you know?
people are notoriously bad estimators...i was SHOCKED when i saw what a true 1/2 cup of ice cream looked like.
im sorry that people like me make you dislike this site. that certainly wasnt my intention. i guess my hope is that those who struggle with trying to stay within restrictive guidelines and struggle are able to come to the realization that, hey....you can TOTALLY do this and still eat the things you love. hell, it may make it EASIER. it certainly does for me.
looks like youre on the newer side to MFP, so i would like to provide these links to you. read them if youd like, or skip them and focus on eating "healthy". your call.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1346163-change-your-mindset
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819925-the-basics-don-t-complicate-it
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1235566-so-you-re-new-here?hl=so+you're+new+here
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/872212-you-re-probably-eating-more-than-you-think
Real mature guys...laugh it up at my weight loss struggle.
Am I new to this site? No. I started a new account recently when I decided to change my lifestyle/eating habits after I had my last child.
So that's cool. I'll just go ahead and eat nothing but pizza and honey buns and drink nothing but mountain dew...because you said I will lose weight doing so. Hah. Yeah I don't think so. I am not saying calories are not important. If I believed that I wouldn't count them religiously. But I am not going to sit here and say that they are the only thing that affects weight loss. You seriously don't believe carbs, sugar, sodium and fat have anything to do with weight loss? I am sorry, but I call BS. And I am not crying the blues about "what I've been through", so spare me your condescending crap. If you can eat complete garbage and lose weight then I applaud you. That is fantastic! And I envy you. Unfortunately, I can't do that. So basically I am done here. Thanks for your kind words. Really was the icing on top of a lovely day.
you have GOT to be kidding me.
was i mean? was i bullying?
i get the feeling you are one of those people who loves to play the victim.
if you think what i posted was condescending, please refrain from any other online forums. you need a thicker skin, sweetie.
if you want people to shower you in glitter and unicorn hugs and "way-to-go"s, you have come to the wrong place.
those links i posted are VERY helpful and written by people who have had great success here.
i wish you all the best on your weight loss journey and hope you find success in it, however that may be.
You, sir, are condescending. Calling me "sweetie" did nothing but justify that. Did I refer to you as a bully? No. Do I enjoy playing the victim? Not a chance. I don't need your links, so that was a waste of time on your part. I have done my own research, thank you. I am doing what works for me. You are doing what works for you. I never claimed to be a clean eater. I am also not interested in shoving my opinions down anyone's throat. To each their own.
The thickness of my skin is just fine, thank you.
I am not going to battle it out with some random stranger on a public forum any longer. I need to maintain a balanced diet in order to successfully lose weight. Do I sometimes splurge and eat a slice of pizza instead of a salad? Of course I do. But If I did that every day, I would fail. That is it. If you want to continue arguing with me over what works for my body then feel free. But I have other things to do. Like my workout, for example! Like you said, calories in/calories out, right? As for the glitter/rainbows/unicorn comment? hahaha....yeah....you have me figured out! Am I that transparent? hahahaha....Good day.0 -
Cannibals are what they eat *shrug*
literally. (legit use of that word FTW)0 -
Balance in everything is everything!
Eat the processed goodies, and enjoy for your taste-buds. Eat the fresh naturals, and enjoy for your body!
We really can have it all (in moderation)!0 -
Unhappy, unhealthy, unfit person here checking in.
Sup there, my gelato princess?
Nuffin. Just #eatingclean
OMG ME TOO!
Michael Jordan eats hot dogs, and Spongebob Thighgap eats chocolate... Hmmmm
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Unhappy, unhealthy, unfit person here checking in.
Sup there, my gelato princess?
Nuffin. Just #eatingclean
OMG ME TOO!
Michael Jordan eats hot dogs, and Spongebob Thighgap eats chocolate... Hmmmm
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while the bolded may be true(I haven't researched it) it still comes down to consuming more cals than you use to gain Weight. I fact if you are in a deficit and your body does somehow store, it will still have to metabolize the equivalent plus your deficit to function.I agree with the original poster. Bravo!
For example, recent research has shown that artificial sweeteners, while technically counting as zero calories, may cause spikes in blood sugar and lead to obesity, diabetes, and so forth. In this case, the math is not as simple as calories in/calories out and macros.
While I am not a clean eater or a champion of Paleo, there is much to be said in the research for a sensible diet primarily based on vegetables, lean protein, ,low-glycemic carbs, and some fruits.
I also say, in advance, that I am not sorry if anyone finds this "offensive" and engages in another ad infinitum, ad nauseam round of faux outrage,
I do not come here to instagram rainbows and puppies but to speak the frank truth.
Warm regards,
-G.e.C
Fair enough, I think the research might be inconclusive on the point you raised as well as somewhat relative to the individual (e.g. diabetics/glucose-intolerats).
However, if you are not eating vegetables and fruits there's a good chance your body lacks sufficient micro-nutrients for optimal function. I think that gets lost in the "eat what you want" camp. It is not just pounds on the scale.
Health is not a mirror selfie,
-G.e.C0 -
I recently posted on a thread about someone who is having a hard time losing weight - upon looking at their diary, it showed that they consume a decent amount of processed, convenience, and fast foods. My advice was that they should consider really eating more fruits/veggies etc. I used the term "clean eating". Lo and behold, the inevitable comment came in response to my suggestion; I believe the exact quote was "Seriously, stop it. This is not helpful. It's not what the food is, it's overall calories and macros. As long as a person eats in a calorie deficit, the pounds will come off, it doesn't matter what the food being consumed is."
I am going to lose my mind if I hear or see this comment again! I realize that for so many people the goal is to shed pounds, and I'm all for that! Obviously, losing the extra pounds is the first thing that is going to happen when converting to a healthy lifestyle, and it's mandatory in order to decrease the likelihood of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc. But that's not the point of all of this. Food can be the best, most powerful form of medicine, or the slowest form of poison. The point is to eat the foods that are going to keep you healthy for the rest of your life. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! Fresh produce, whole grains, unprocessed food, little or no refined sugar/ wite flours - THAT is how you lose weight, and get healthy.
It is dangerous and counterproductive to suggest that it doesn't matter what you put into your body. I expect backlash to this rant, and I welcome all you trolls to tell me that I'm wrong - but you ask any single expert, or even just a health conscious person out there and they will say the exact thing I've just said. No one can dispute this.
Didn't read the whole thread but .. losing weight and eating healthy are not the same. The latter may help you do the former (because of caloric density, feeling more energized thus able to exercise more, etc.) but they are different things. Burning more than you consume will cause weight loss, that's science.0 -
I do agree with you to a certain extent, but for a lot of people, they just need to get started.
I know when I started out, I just restricted calories. That was it. And it worked for a while. But yeah, you get into it and realize that while that Big Mac is "only" 700 calories (or whatever it is), I'm freaking hungry again two hours later. So rather than spend 700 calories, I can spend 200 on some eggs and cheese, and I'll be satisfied for just as long, if not longer, and I'm getting so much more out of it.
People gotta figure this out on their own time. Some do, some won't.Some people (like me) have to work up to stuff like that. Eating the same foods that you ate before, in less quantities, is a great way to start losing weight. A lot of people have to take baby steps and this is a baby step. Down the road, once they've conquered the quantity control, they can then start incorporating healthier choices until they're eating more healthy foods and less processed foods.
All of this. Most people can't just go from being overweight with poor eating habits to eating "clean" overnight. It's a process. I personally have no desire to EVER eat totally clean, but I do think that my eating habits have changed dramatically in the 260 days I've been logging daily here, & that's important. I started out with no exercise while eating my usual foods and realized quickly that I couldn't stay under my goal that way. I started looking for lower calorie options to replace my favorite foods, trading out my Hidden Valley ranch for greek yogurt ranch, my Jiffy peanut butter for PB2, etc. I also discovered that I actually really love a wide variety of veggies and that I could eat huge plates of veggies for like 300 calories. I realized this summer that I really suck at staying on track when I don't have work or school keeping me busy for most of the day.
Generally, I think that this is a pretty natural progression that most people end up following when they start a journey like this, and I think it's a good one. People have to learn from their own experience & find what works for them - so yeah, I think you probably deserved a bit of a smack down in that thread. I agree that it's not helpful to preach your experience to other people like it's the one & only way to go. It's not. It worked for you and someday they might find that it works for them too, but I think they need to get there on their own. Like I said, no one is going to switch to 100% clean eating overnight, and if they do they're bound to fall off the wagon immediately. That's not helpful at all.0 -
Thanks for this, great article.0 -
Time and time and time again the experts in the fields of human health and nutrition ( the doctors, the nutritionists, the researchers, the dieticians and the trained fitness professionals) warn us about processed food, simple carbohydrates, salt, preservatives and fat. Despite all the evidence from the professionals, we still have a core of people who think that it is all hokum and made up by puritans who don't like to see people enjoying themselves. You will never convince this core of "back porch quarterbacks". So far as I am concerned, if they want to risk their life expectancy and future health for a few moments of eating pleasure, who am I to naysay them?
I think that you have done the right thing and can move on knowing that your conscience is clear.0 -
You haven't eaten at a deficit then. It is physically impossible for your body to take in less calories than it expends and not lose weight. I am being literal here. It is physically impossible.Yeah...I get it. I agree with you. I have to pay attention to all the macros, not just calories. If I focus on strictly calories in/calories out, I won't lose.
if you burn more than you consume....you will.
If it were that easy, I would be skinny. If that works for you, then that is excellent. I must be the exception to the rule. I have tried to lose weight every way imaginable (with the exception of surgery). I'm not saying I eat clean. I still eat some processed foods. I am just saying, I personally need to pay attention to the whole picture in order to be successful. Counting calories alone will sabotage me every time. I have learned this by trial and error. I am sorry if you don't believe me, but it is true.
so then you're not arguing against the fact that if one burns more than they consume, they will lose weight.
your issue is that you cant seem to keep your cals below your burn.
fair enough.
i thought you were saying that you were eating at a deficit and not losing weight.
I am arguing that I have eaten at a deficit before and not lost weight. I am also saying that eating processed foods doesn't fill me up like healthier options do. I am also saying that I have previously gone over my calorie limit due to still being hungry an hour after eating processed foods. I am also saying that I have damn near starved myself, and still not lost weight.
My question is, why are you disagreeing with how my body works? It seems that you know nothing about me or my ability to lose weight...and people like YOU make me dislike this site. Not people like the OP.
You weren't at a deficit, simple as that.
i feel like i should insert a special snowflake gif here, but i will refrain.
EDIT: nevermind....already been done. lol
as stated above, you were not eating at a deficit.
are you measuring and weighing EVERYTHING? if not, then how do you know?
people are notoriously bad estimators...i was SHOCKED when i saw what a true 1/2 cup of ice cream looked like.
im sorry that people like me make you dislike this site. that certainly wasnt my intention. i guess my hope is that those who struggle with trying to stay within restrictive guidelines and struggle are able to come to the realization that, hey....you can TOTALLY do this and still eat the things you love. hell, it may make it EASIER. it certainly does for me.
looks like youre on the newer side to MFP, so i would like to provide these links to you. read them if youd like, or skip them and focus on eating "healthy". your call.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1346163-change-your-mindset
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819925-the-basics-don-t-complicate-it
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1235566-so-you-re-new-here?hl=so+you're+new+here
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/872212-you-re-probably-eating-more-than-you-think
Real mature guys...laugh it up at my weight loss struggle.
Am I new to this site? No. I started a new account recently when I decided to change my lifestyle/eating habits after I had my last child.
So that's cool. I'll just go ahead and eat nothing but pizza and honey buns and drink nothing but mountain dew...because you said I will lose weight doing so. Hah. Yeah I don't think so. I am not saying calories are not important. If I believed that I wouldn't count them religiously. But I am not going to sit here and say that they are the only thing that affects weight loss. You seriously don't believe carbs, sugar, sodium and fat have anything to do with weight loss? I am sorry, but I call BS. And I am not crying the blues about "what I've been through", so spare me your condescending crap. If you can eat complete garbage and lose weight then I applaud you. That is fantastic! And I envy you. Unfortunately, I can't do that. So basically I am done here. Thanks for your kind words. Really was the icing on top of a lovely day.
you have GOT to be kidding me.
was i mean? was i bullying?
i get the feeling you are one of those people who loves to play the victim.
if you think what i posted was condescending, please refrain from any other online forums. you need a thicker skin, sweetie.
if you want people to shower you in glitter and unicorn hugs and "way-to-go"s, you have come to the wrong place.
those links i posted are VERY helpful and written by people who have had great success here.
i wish you all the best on your weight loss journey and hope you find success in it, however that may be.
You, sir, are condescending. Calling me "sweetie" did nothing but justify that. Did I refer to you as a bully? No. Do I enjoy playing the victim? Not a chance. I don't need your links, so that was a waste of time on your part. I have done my own research, thank you. I am doing what works for me. You are doing what works for you. I never claimed to be a clean eater. I am also not interested in shoving my opinions down anyone's throat. To each their own.
The thickness of my skin is just fine, thank you.
I am not going to battle it out with some random stranger on a public forum any longer. I need to maintain a balanced diet in order to successfully lose weight. Do I sometimes splurge and eat a slice of pizza instead of a salad? Of course I do. But If I did that every day, I would fail. That is it. If you want to continue arguing with me over what works for my body then feel free. But I have other things to do. Like my workout, for example! Like you said, calories in/calories out, right? As for the glitter/rainbows/unicorn comment? hahaha....yeah....you have me figured out! Am I that transparent? hahahaha....Good day.
Skullshank is pretty helpful and I read his post twice. Nothing condescending or bullying about it at all. You say that the thickness of your skin is fine but it isn't.
I really suggest bookmarking all the links and maybe take a breather. Come back and read them and realize he really was just trying to help you.0 -
Unhappy, unhealthy, unfit person here checking in.
Sup there, my gelato princess?
Nuffin. Just #eatingclean
OMG ME TOO!
Michael Jordan eats hot dogs, and Spongebob Thighgap eats chocolate... Hmmmm
Go ahead, tell Samuel L. He's wrong for eating his burger.
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Not all calories are created equal! people need to realize they are what they eat... and we should also count chemicals! not just calories!
I dont mean to sound harsh to the sensitive type people out there. Yes people need to start somewhere. Baby steps, slowly but surely making simple changes to their diets and taking some interest in education as to what it is they are eating will greatly help them in the journey to awesome health.
Just my 2 cents....0 -
Not all calories are created equal! people need to realize they are what they eat... and we should also count chemicals! not just calories!
I dont mean to sound harsh to the sensitive type people out there. Yes people need to start somewhere. Baby steps, slowly but surely making simple changes to their diets and taking some interest in education as to what it is they are eating will greatly help them in the journey to awesome health.
Just my 2 cents....
Oh this is going to end well...0 -
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Not all calories are created equal! people need to realize they are what they eat... and we should also count chemicals! not just calories!
I dont mean to sound harsh to the sensitive type people out there. Yes people need to start somewhere. Baby steps, slowly but surely making simple changes to their diets and taking some interest in education as to what it is they are eating will greatly help them in the journey to awesome health.
Just my 2 cents....
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