MFP has really changed

Erin_goBrahScience

OP, you know you could always emulate the change you wish to see by participating in the forums yourself and providing advice or encouragement to other users, instead of sitting around complaining about what everyone else does or does not do.

If you're not willing to put in your own time and effort to participate and be an active member of the community, don't be surprised when the rest of the community politely or not-so-politely tells you that they don't care what you think.

AglaeaC

When I have nothing to add except a snarky comment I remember this:

Does she have any quotes about irony?

These are on goodreads:
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/7535958.Rachel_Wolchin

Google image search reveals a whole bunch more. I like this one:
"I think people spend too much time staring into screens and not enough time drinking wine, tongue kissing, and dancing under the moon."

This one's marvellous:
"Sometimes life will *kitten* you and you'll just have to change position and enjoy it somehow."

k8blujay2

rachelrb85

Well, it's pretty clear I will be sticking to the GROUPS and not using the forums.... Mean people suck!!

These "mean people" will offer you unbiased knowledge on questions that matter and might make a difference to your weight loss and success. They've been around and know a thing or two. So, your loss. Or un-loss once you hit a plateau but don't trust the meanies to ask a question and get some help.

weight2go

If you ask, be prepared for answer. However people should remember they are speaking to someone whom needs help and guidance. And they were once in the same shoes. Treat others like you want to be treated. Im here cause I need help and support, I give it as well to the people on my friend list.

AskTracyAnnK28

One poor girl simply asked what was the difference between light cleaning and heavy cleaning.

That one' poor girl' was rude, nasty and defensive to nearly everyone who posted in her thread. She not only got various answers to her question, but was also given tips and recommendations for logging. She got angry AND TYPED IN ALL CAPS - the equivalent of yelling at everyone.

Need2Exerc1se

Hear, hear, OP!!

I am relatively new to the site, but I have not encountered such uncivility since Jr. High School. So many seem to revel in being called mean. They defend their right to be mean and claim they are just "helping" or they were driven to it lesser minds.

I have also noticed Jr. High type "cliques". One person will post something snarky or rude and suddenly a bunch of others start in. Often the same group. I assume these are from their 'friends' list. Because if a group is rude, then it's not really rude, right?

It's so juvenile and silly.

DopeItUp

I've been here for the same amount of time and I can tell you that you are completely dreaming. This site has actually gotten much better

Three years ago, any fitness or nutrition related thread would generate 90% complete BS responses. Today, it's only about 60%. In some groups, it's more like 90% good information in fact (the ETP group for example).The amount of good information here is slowly but surely increasing and that is nothing but a good thing.

Hell, the quality of cat gifs has even increased over the years.

srslybritt

That being said, this place has always been and probably always will be like a cliche movie high school. Lots of popular, beautiful people being popular and beautiful.

Only difference is, most of them are amazing, empathetic, and courteous individuals who are simply misunderstood because they tell the whole, honest truth.

_HeartsOnFire_

OP, you know you could always emulate the change you wish to see by participating in the forums yourself and providing advice or encouragement to other users, instead of sitting around complaining about what everyone else does or does not do.

If you're not willing to put in your own time and effort to participate and be an active member of the community, don't be surprised when the rest of the community politely or not-so-politely tells you that they don't care what you think.

SonicDeathMonkey80

Oh cool, a mean people thread and it's only Thursday. Don't you people know that those are only reserved for Friday's entertainment?

deluxmary2000

In for mean people thread.

PRMinx

Hear, hear, OP!!

I am relatively new to the site, but I have not encountered such uncivility since Jr. High School. So many seem to revel in being called mean. They defend their right to be mean and claim they are just "helping" or they were driven to it lesser minds.

I have also noticed Jr. High type "cliques". One person will post something snarky or rude and suddenly a bunch of others start in. Often the same group. I assume these are from their 'friends' list. Because if a group is rude, then it's not really rude, right?

It's so juvenile and silly.

Pot, please meet kettle.

LeonCX

I just saved 15% on car insurance. In only fifteen minutes.

So there.

Muddy_Yogi

I started on this site for the first time about three years ago. At that time it was a wonderful place to get motivation and support. I found a lot of nice and helpful people. This site is suppose to be about supporting each other, but more and more I see people being less supportive and just down right mean. Some users seem to have an attitude that they are better because they have been a successful where another user wasn't as successful or is taking just a little more time.
I have read multiple post today where a person asked a simple question and they were ridiculed for it. One poor girl simply asked what was the difference between light cleaning and heavy cleaning. That's all she wanted to know, but there were post after post about how she shouldn't log cleaning. It's not anyone's right to tell another person what they should and shouldn't log. If I decided to log "walking to my fridge to get a snack" it's no one's business but my own.
I think some users are forgetting the reasons for a site like this. I also want to make it clear that I'm saying "some users", because there are still a lot of genuinely nice people on here.
We all need to be kind to one another. Most of us have all been in the same situation and for the few of you that have always been fit and use the site to keep track of your fitness then you need to understand that it doesn't come as easy to some as it does to you. For the ones that have been overweight and out of shape remember where you have come from and how you felt in the beginning.
It shouldn't matter if you are morbidly obese, too thin, or have never had an issue. We are all here for the same reason and that's to be the best us we can be. So, as I said before be kind to one another or you're disrespecting the site, the members, and yourself. It's fantastic to look good but real beauty still comes from within.

I'm gonna try to address this without making it a whole thing.

Yes, you can log whatever you want. But when you ask for advice, you'll get advice. And anyone who cares is gonna tell you logging things as exercise that aren't really exercise is a bad idea.

It may not be what you want to hear, but it's good advice. And that's the problem. Some people want advice, some people want to be told they're doing everything right no matter what.

I've seen people be unnecessarily rude, I've seen people be extraordinarily kind. Just like life. It's no different here. It's everyone's choice if they want to focus on the positive or the negative.

#truth

I can do whatever the heck I want/log when it comes to my diary. But if I post a question on a thread I need to be open for all comments/opinions. IMO MFP is supportive. I look forward to logging in everyday. True, I spend more time in my own Newsfeed than the forums but regardless, the accountability I get from my MFP friends is worth being on here.

This here...and Brett all the way!

Do what you want in your diary..that is yours. The forum is built for discussion. That does not ensure that everyone will agree with you. If they do then great ...but that is not a discussion..that is you saying The sky is blue and everyone saying YEP! No one learns a thing. Now if someone posts they want to know the difference between light and heavy cleaning and someone responds saying that it really depends on the person what each is but either way if you probably should not log it and they have had amazing success...one may want to rethink what they are going to log. They don't have to. People learning from each other.

It sucks when you are the one that posted the thing that was wrong or slightly inaccurate (a lot of us have been there!) and have to see all the responses saying you are wrong, but if you take the advice, it may go a long way!

k8blujay2

Well, it's pretty clear I will be sticking to the GROUPS and not using the forums.... Mean people suck!!

These "mean people" will offer you unbiased knowledge on questions that matter and might make a difference to your weight loss and success. They've been around and know a thing or two. So, your loss. Or un-loss once you hit a plateau but don't trust the meanies to ask a question and get some help.

This! I surround myself with the people that are constantly labelled as mean for giving sound and unbiased advice... They are honestly the sweetest and most caring group of people on here... they aren't fake and won't validate people's crap... having a low BS tolerance does not make people mean...

You want mean, join a mommy forum and discuss whether or not you should vaccinate your kid...

rprussell2004

This site doesn't suck because of the group of people that sprinkle their knowledge where it needs to be sprinkled, it's ruined by people who try too hard to take everything personally. People who want to find something to complain about and find a way to be upset.

THIS.

I spent a while actually crafting a response in another thread a while back, making sure I used "I/me/my/mine" and what I found solved MY problem, and "YMMV" and all that PC stuff, only to be immediately responded to by someone who thought I was telling them what the hell to do.

Jesus, take things personally much?

I just throw up my hands and walk away after that.

PRMinx

That being said, this place has always been and probably always will be like a cliche movie high school. Lots of popular, beautiful people being popular and beautiful.

Only difference is, most of them are amazing, empathetic, and courteous individuals who are simply misunderstood because they tell the whole, honest truth.

FitGal4ever42

If you don't like MFP you could always deactivate and use another fitness site which I am sure has no mean people.. But doubtful since this is the INTERNET ! :ohwell:

Need2Exerc1se

I agree with OP I mean Have you read an article and there was like 5 tips to get healthier today, one way to do it is to do some light-heavy cleaning…this way your getting things done and working out.

One day i had too much energy and I cleaned the entire apartment and that means taking the rugs out from my rabbits area, vacuumed, laundry…bathroom+rugs…I was SWEATY lol I burned like 400 calories that day from those 2 hours of cleaning i was WIPED OUT…Idk how people can say that housework isn't working out?? so all the thin moms out there must be dumber than doornails when it comes to strength and energy hauling them kids around and cleaning after them pfft

But was that heavy cleaning or light cleaning? Because to you that could be heavy and to me that's light.

No one in that thread said it wasn't a workout, however, you did those same things when you were gaining weight. A lot of times people who rely on logging their cleaning will soon wonder why they aren't losing.

I don't understand. In determining how many calories to eat, what does it matter if it's an activity you did before you started trying to lose weight? I would seem the only thing that mattered was whether the activity is already covered in your MFP activity level.

kgeyser

Well, it's pretty clear I will be sticking to the GROUPS and not using the forums.... Mean people suck!!

Oh no, please, we'll miss you….wait, no, we won't, because this was your first post, which means in the year you've had an account here you've never taken a moment to offer advice or support to anyone.

_Zardoz_

Well, it's pretty clear I will be sticking to the GROUPS and not using the forums.... Mean people suck!!

Well that's your choice but if you actually look at what these mean people are saying you will find that they are the ones that have lost a lot weight and kept it off and that those who keep starting the 'mean people' threads are the ones who keep asking for help but then get all upset when the advice doesn't agree with them. Read what the mean people say and you may come to the conclusion they're not actually mean they just don't pander to people. Would you rather someone told you that you were always right or that they gave you good solid advice?

You can right off all that experience and help if you wish but without the mean people MFP wouldn't be the very useful resource it is and you'd be just cutting your nose off to spite your face (but that seems to happen here a lot)

Good luck and I'm off to hang out with the mean people

jlrs2015

I'm not telling anyone not to give their opinion. That's part of the reason we are all here...the help of others. I'm just saying be kind about it. I've read several post and truly felt bad for the OP. It's unnecessary to be rude when giving an opinion. We all should keep our fat hearts not our fat *kitten* (shout out to Fat Amy).
PS...for those of you who missed the point of my post and want to know why I said three years and and my Joined date is Sept 2014 it's because I took a break and came back. Glad you caught that one because that was the point I was trying to make after all. :happy:

levitateme

People are just way too sensitive.

I love "these forums were created to be ______" posts. Did you create this site? These forums are meant for discussion. We can't dictate what type of responses we get to our questions. My having a differing opinion from you or someone else doesn't make me "mean" or "rude."

The OP of the heavy/light cleaning thread got super defensive for seriously NO REASON. I... just can't even... I just can't anymore with these threads. :sad:

Zerodette

For the most part, I think things are fine here. However, I've been using Internet forums regularly for 15 years-- half my life. This forum is TAME. I think the nature of this site may attract more people who aren't as web-forum savvy. Like an OP earlier who honestly mixed up the point of a forum post and a blog post, then got offended when a discussion sprung up on her forum post. Not saying that all of the easily offended are web-clueless, but it could be one aspect of it.

MizTerry

rachelrb85

That being said, this place has always been and probably always will be like a cliche movie high school. Lots of popular, beautiful people being popular and beautiful.

Only difference is, most of them are amazing, empathetic, and courteous individuals who are simply misunderstood because they tell the whole, honest truth.

nilbogger

BTW, you should check out the Weight Watchers forums. Those are some stone-cold broads.

Sparkpeople is a little more sunshine and rainbows, but there's still some tough love there.

srslybritt

That being said, this place has always been and probably always will be like a cliche movie high school. Lots of popular, beautiful people being popular and beautiful.

Only difference is, most of them are amazing, empathetic, and courteous individuals who are simply misunderstood because they tell the whole, honest truth.

SunofaBeach14

When I have nothing to add except a snarky comment I remember this:

Does she have any quotes about irony?

How many calories does heavy irony burn?