Starvation Mode is Real, and ugly

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  • virginiagomes
    virginiagomes Posts: 110 Member
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    tfs
  • janesmith1
    janesmith1 Posts: 1,511 Member
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    My gawd this is what is going on with me. I was doing great, had a binge in January. then last week, was down lower, had a binge, I believe my metabolism got screwed up from eating over 3k cals. So I went back down on my cal counts, and my weight's been going up up up!

    I just had a snack after reading this, a slice of cheddar and a cracker. I was thinking that I might possibly be going into starvation mode.....

    I'm not binging, I was feeling hungry but would normally just not eat this late. However, after reading this article...wow. I just went, bingo this is what's wrong with me, I need to have something to eat. Plus I exercised today.
  • loupammac
    loupammac Posts: 194 Member
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    Thank you for sharing your story. This needs to be read by every new MFP member when they join. Best wishes for your recovery. :flowerforyou:
  • wenders123
    wenders123 Posts: 338 Member
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    So glad you have shared your experience with us, and I hope people heed this information.

    I also hope that your body gets back to normal and you can continue trying to acheive your goals :flowerforyou:
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,500 Member
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    I think in the interests of balance it should be pointed out that, as I said above, the concept of starvation mode is usually poorly applied. It's not like a light switch where if you eat under 1,200 calories your body suddenly decides to go into starvation mode, or if you miss a meal that happens or even if you have plateaued it is caused by this.

    It is much more likely whne it comes to plateaus that people have forgotten that as you lose weight the number of calories you need to maintain weight is reduced accordingly, under reporting of true calorie intake and / or over estimating of calories burned through exercise, water / glycogen issues masking fat loss on the scale. There is a misconception that fat loss stalls altogether in "starvation mode" when in reality it doesn't. It simply becomes a lot harder and requires proportionally much more effort to do so in comparison to a "lifestyle diet."

    That is not to say that people who chronically underfeed their bodies or restrict energy intake for many months don't suffer the effects of starvation mode. I think that it certainly does happen but just not as commonly as people may think.

    A starvation type diet will work to reduce weight in the short term. It is undeniable that people will and do experience this. However that isn't saying much. ALL diets which somehow make you operate at a calorie deficit will cause weight loss.

    In my view the success of a diet isn't actually about what happens whilst you are undertaking it or even about the amount of weight you lose (I know I'm sounding a bit crazy here but bear with me....) The success of a diet is about what happens when you come OFF it. The real prize is maintenance. A good diet provides the building blocks for a long term ability to maintain weight at a stable level for years to come, not just a few weeks (unless you are puposefully dieting down for a specific event and do not care about putting on weight after that eg an athlete making a weight class, looking good on your wedding day etc)

    The problem with the excessively low calorie approach (especially if it is coupled with a high exercise volume) is the remarkably poor finishing position it leaves you in. Your metabolic rate has a much sharper adaptive reduction to BMR in comparison in comparison to a slow and steady diet. In addition your body becomes much more efficient at fat storage due to changes in hormone levels. The end result is that the vast majority of crash dieters will end up regaining all the fat they lost prior to their diet and then some. You can circumvent this by being sticking to very low calories for the rest of your life and maintaining high levels of exercise if you wish. That doesn't sound like much fun to me or even realistic in the long term.

    If you love and respect your body it will love and respect you back. If you treat it poorly and try to beat it into submission then expect a fight. You will probably lose...
  • JillyCornwall
    JillyCornwall Posts: 376 Member
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  • anna_b1
    anna_b1 Posts: 588 Member
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    Thanks for sharing. I'm so sorry you had to go through this.

    This is a very timely message. Just this week, I lost a MFP friend because a few of her mutual friends and I tried to convince this friend not to minimize his/her caloric intake any further than 800-900 calories. For the record, this friend has asked for advice, but I don't think he/she was truly ready to hear it.

    Your story is so relevant to so many of us. Please take care.
  • Marla64
    Marla64 Posts: 23,120 Member
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    I think in the interests of balance it should be pointed out that, as I said above, the concept of starvation mode is usually poorly applied. It's not like a light switch where if you eat under 1,200 calories your body suddenly decides to go into starvation mode, or if you miss a meal that happens or even if you have plateaued it is caused by this.

    It is much more likely whne it comes to plateaus that people have forgotten that as you lose weight the number of calories you need to maintain weight is reduced accordingly, under reporting of true calorie intake and / or over estimating of calories burned through exercise, water / glycogen issues masking fat loss on the scale. There is a misconception that fat loss stalls altogether in "starvation mode" when in reality it doesn't. It simply becomes a lot harder and requires proportionally much more effort to do so in comparison to a "lifestyle diet."

    That is not to say that people who chronically underfeed their bodies or restrict energy intake for many months don't suffer the effects of starvation mode. I think that it certainly does happen but just not as commonly as people may think.

    A starvation type diet will work to reduce weight in the short term. It is undeniable that people will and do experience this. However that isn't saying much. ALL diets which somehow make you operate at a calorie deficit will cause weight loss.

    In my view the success of a diet isn't actually about what happens whilst you are undertaking it or even about the amount of weight you lose (I know I'm sounding a bit crazy here but bear with me....) The success of a diet is about what happens when you come OFF it. The real prize is maintenance. A good diet provides the building blocks for a long term ability to maintain weight at a stable level for years to come, not just a few weeks (unless you are puposefully dieting down for a specific event and do not care about putting on weight after that eg an athlete making a weight class, looking good on your wedding day etc)

    The problem with the excessively low calorie approach (especially if it is coupled with a high exercise volume) is the remarkably poor finishing position it leaves you in. Your metabolic rate has a much sharper adaptive reduction to BMR in comparison in comparison to a slow and steady diet. In addition your body becomes much more efficient at fat storage due to changes in hormone levels. The end result is that the vast majority of crash dieters will end up regaining all the fat they lost prior to their diet and then some. You can circumvent this by being sticking to very low calories for the rest of your life and maintaining high levels of exercise if you wish. That doesn't sound like much fun to me or even realistic in the long term.

    If you love and respect your body it will love and respect you back. If you treat it poorly and try to beat it into submission then expect a fight. You will probably lose...

    Absolutely-- I know the words are thrown about willy-nilly, and because they're so often used, people tend to disregard it. As my endocrinologist explained, layman's terms, my genes finally took over. I'd burned enough body fat, still exercising 5 days a week, living on rice cakes and plain yogurt at the time (following a year of solid loss on 1400 calories) and it finally just pulled a Robot from Lost in Space...."Danger, Danger!!"

    I just didn't understand the message at first, and when a friend here explained it to me, I couldn't bring myself to eat 2000+ calories for fear I'd gain more. If I'm gaining on 1400, why would I want to raise my calories?

    Anyway-- early report so far, and I mean early-- I'm only just entering day 4 of the raised calories-- I'm down 2.5 pounds from Sunday morning. I know a lot of it's water, blah, blah, blah-- and I don't expect to keep up that rate of loss.

    However, what has me encouraged is I nearly doubled my caloric intake the past 3 days, and I lost weight. I'm doing the P90x program, and make sure I drink a protein shake immediately after, and did the same after a run Sunday night-- need to let my body know that there is nothing to fear.

    I am reminded of the scripture verse-- "I praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made." Our bodies are amazing. And yes, as you said, when we learn to love and respect them, it will be returned. amazing stuff.

    Have a great day-- thanks to all for your kind words.
  • catherine1979
    catherine1979 Posts: 704 Member
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    Thank you so much for sharing this story. I hope you can find the right balance for your body.
  • pyro13g
    pyro13g Posts: 1,127 Member
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    THIS SHOULD BE A STICKY!!! And I'd be willing to bet your metabolism recovers.
  • mikeyrp
    mikeyrp Posts: 1,616 Member
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    Can I echo everyone thanks for posting this... Being (fairly) new to MFP and keen to loose weight quickly, along with enjoying using the gym, there was a very good chance I might fall into the same trap.

    Now it will not happen - Target Cals is now just that, not a Max or Min!
  • kwardklinck
    kwardklinck Posts: 1,601
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    God love you sweetie. I'm so sorry for what you've been through. I hope it turns around for you.
  • JillyCornwall
    JillyCornwall Posts: 376 Member
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    Oh Maria that is such good news to hear, it may be early days but it shows that your amazing body CAN recover.......
  • mmtiernan
    mmtiernan Posts: 702 Member
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    First off, I want to say how incredibly brave I think you are for posting this and that I admire not only your original dedication, but also your continued dedication to growth in knowledge needed to get yourself back on the right track. That all takes tremendous courage and I absolutely applaud all of your efforts, including the courage that it took just to share all of this with everyone here.

    I am so glad that you kept going to doctors and finally found someone (your endocrinologist) who could point you back in the right direction. I am hoping that you have also sought some guidance for your current and future caloric intake? I noticed that you are using P90X, which has a nutrition guide that contains that Harris-Benedict equation for figuring out how many calories you should be consuming. If you don't have the nutrition guide, here is a web page that walks through the calculation in layman's terms: http://wellnessword.com/blog/fitness-nutrition/how-to-calculate-bmr/ Note that you will need to recalculate again when your weight and/or exercise levels change significantly - which is possibly the adjustment that you missed initially. I hope you find this helpful.

    I know you are going to make it. You are determined, smart and nothing if not tenacious! And now you are gaining more knowledge - a definite recipe for success.

    Thanks again for sharing your story - all my best wishes to you!
  • SweetTeaBlossom
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    Thank you so much for your honesty. You're very brave.

    It's easy for all of us to get caught up in trying to "fix" the damage we done of becoming overweight by cutting too many calories/undereating. Your story showed us why we shouldn't do that. Good luck.
  • snockers3112
    snockers3112 Posts: 190 Member
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    When I joined MFP and completed all the information, I chose sedentary as my lifestyle as I only walk to work and back each day and at work I sit all day...MFP calculated I should keep to 1200 calories a day...is that calculation wrong?
  • lauriedav
    lauriedav Posts: 16 Member
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    Wow! So sad... I appreciate you sharing this with us. What will you do now? I hope there is a solution for you.
    Hugs, Laurie
  • pyro13g
    pyro13g Posts: 1,127 Member
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    When I joined MFP and completed all the information, I chose sedentary as my lifestyle as I only walk to work and back each day and at work I sit all day...MFP calculated I should keep to 1200 calories a day...is that calculation wrong?

    How far is the walk and how brisk? Double check what MFP says with another calculator.
  • snockers3112
    snockers3112 Posts: 190 Member
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    When I joined MFP and completed all the information, I chose sedentary as my lifestyle as I only walk to work and back each day and at work I sit all day...MFP calculated I should keep to 1200 calories a day...is that calculation wrong?

    How far is the walk and how brisk? Double check what MFP says with another calculator.

    About 25 mins each way, so I just log 40 mins a day as I always think this site over calculates walking :)
  • biellas
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    Thank you so much for sharing your story. I genuinely hope it turns around for you since you've worked so hard. Your story will spare many people the pain of going through the same thing. I wish you all the best.