everything in moderation? i respectfully disagree
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a few other people have brought up the expense argument... but isn't it a lot cheaper to make your own brownies than buying a box of pre-made from the grocery store? i bought a bag of barley flour for like $3 and i've made maybe 4 batches of brownies (among a bunch of other things) and i'm not even halfway through it yet. it's been so much cheaper to make my own food.This is not meant to be disrespectful. But if you are on MFP to lose weight, have you always followed your own advice? It's easy to say you are gonna do the right thing forever. But actually living that is tough.
The reason why I believe in "everything in moderation" is because this is a lifestyle change. We may not always be in the postition to buy certain foods or shakes (etc). And most everybody wants something BAD from time to time. I believe if Whoppers are your weakness, have one a month. It will help to keep you on track the other 29 or 30 days. But true moderation is knowing you have to follow the 80/20 rule - 80% of the time you eat good. 20% of the time you indulge. And if you are into serious health/fitness,the 90/10 rul applies. JMO.
I do agree with your expense comment. My point of reference was not financial. (My son is in the military and deployed. He wouldn't be able to buy organic. You get my point, right?) My concern with the cheaper,healthier brownies is that if you eat a whole pan, then how healthly are they? So, moderation still applies on the healthy brownies, right? I really agree with the principal of healthy eating. I believe that cokes are EVIL. But I think reality is that we all are going to falter from time to time. So, if healthy eating becomes a way of life mostly, then the 80/20 rule will mean you are eating pretty darn good!0 -
I personally don't drink soda - I do however use it to clean limescale build up in my toilet - and having seen how that cleans up I don't actually want to put that in my body. I cook from scratch because I love cooking, and because I look after other peoples children and I cook their dinner every night after school and its far cheaper to make from scratch than it is to buy processed, shop bought stuff. I cook to my taste and my dietry requirements.
I think that there is alot of truth in the OP, I personally do think its important to educate yourself on what it is you are actually eating. I remember when I first heard that the natural colour of Margarine (butter substitute) is grey and they add yellow colouring to make it look like butter - I've not eaten it after that and yet its pegged as being a healthier option. I think that marketing has a lot to answer for - and actually there are alot of foods in supermarkets marketed as 'healthy options' that actually are not particularly healthy when you dissect the ingrediants, so we shouldn't assume that we should be wary of highly processed junk food.
Nowadays I prefer to live with the motto quality not quantity. If I am going to have food or drink i'll choose the very best I can afford at the time and enjoy every sip or mouthful. But I am also mindful that my lifestyle is one I have made for myself after years of making mistakes and everyone else has to take that journey for themselves. If my husband wants to eat a MacDonalds thats up to him - its his body and his decision. When i'm responsible for feeding him or he's responsible for feeding me - he knows we eat my way lol!0 -
Ridiculously interesting topic. I will be reading this later.0
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but don't you guys realize it's the american mindset to worry about consequences only after the damage has been done? (i don't mean to sound ethnocentric either, but the majority of people with diet-related illness live in america). since when is information so offensive? how about research for yourselves what the adverse effects of these substances are, then. and if it doesn't concern you, then by all means don't. but don't get offended because i told you twinkies are bad for you. if a smoker was told it would be in his/her best interest to quit smoking, would you all be up in arms about that? why is junk food such a sensitive issue?
Im sorry qouting skinny B*tch is not research (which you did in a earlier thread) Cancer.org Cancer.gov say aspartamine has not been proven to be linked to any of the stuff people say about it.Im not offended by what you say.But if someone comes off like they KNOW everything (which you are ) I will say something about it. They also say cell phones cause cancer,deoderant causes cancer,make up,and many many other things. I have done the research. Smoking has been proven without a DOUBT to cause the things people say it does.Diet soda has not0 -
This is not meant to be disrespectful. But if you are on MFP to lose weight, have you always followed your own advice? It's easy to say you are gonna do the right thing forever. But actually living that is tough.
The reason why I believe in "everything in moderation" is because this is a lifestyle change. We may not always be in the postition to buy certain foods or shakes (etc). And most everybody wants something BAD from time to time. I believe if Whoppers are your weakness, have one a month. It will help to keep you on track the other 29 or 30 days. But true moderation is knowing you have to follow the 80/20 rule - 80% of the time you eat good. 20% of the time you indulge. And if you are into serious health/fitness,the 90/10 rul applies. JMO.
As I said: I think having a whopper is extreme, that's why it's best infrequently eaten. on the other hand cooking your own food is a thing of moderation, but we live in a world where that is seen as extreme. very strange.0 -
to the people who get offended by someone telling them Coke is harmful, who cares what i say anyway? if it's that important to you, drink up! i'll even cheers you with my wheat grass shot.
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And I'll have my beer... maybe even an ORGANIC one. They make those ya know!
However... a wheat grass shot??? Not on your life. YUCK! 0 -
You are not the boss of me.0
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how about research for yourselves what the adverse effects of these substances are, then. and if it doesn't concern you, then by all means don't.
As you can see, in my above post, I DID do (very limited) research on the myth of artificial sweeteners causing cancer in humans. Because that's one thing I can agree with...getting information yourself, and then making a decision.0 -
to the people who get offended by someone telling them Coke is harmful, who cares what i say anyway? if it's that important to you, drink up! i'll even cheers you with my wheat grass shot.
And I'll have my beer... maybe even an ORGANIC one. They make those ya know! However... a wheat grass shot??? Not on your life. YUCK!
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i know, and they make organic soda too. it's really good. i only took a wheat grass shot once and it was disgusting (it was also a dare.)0 -
My motto is if it has less than 3 ingrediants (sp?) DONT EAT IT!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0
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but don't you guys realize it's the american mindset to worry about consequences only after the damage has been done? (i don't mean to sound ethnocentric either, but the majority of people with diet-related illness live in america). since when is information so offensive? how about research for yourselves what the adverse effects of these substances are, then. and if it doesn't concern you, then by all means don't. but don't get offended because i told you twinkies are bad for you. if a smoker was told it would be in his/her best interest to quit smoking, would you all be up in arms about that? why is junk food such a sensitive issue?
It's ALL a sensitive issue. No one wants to be told what they should or shouldn't be doing, especially when they're trying to do better. Honestly, do't really care.. if I wanted the information I would look it up. What people take offense to is being told what they're doing is "wrong". Oh, btw, I'm a smoker too and know that's bad for me as well so I'm sure you'll have a field day with that.0 -
Wow... seriously? So, I'm assuming you live in a dorm, that is paid for, and you drive a car that your parents paid for (or you don't have one.)man, whiny people piss me off. i think its interesting how many people are posting in disagreement with the poster and have a large amount of weight to lose. correlation? maaaybe.
before you go trip out on me, i ate the same way for a long time. its programmed into us at this point. but you know what? you can change it. stop being afraid and wimpy and whiny and make yourself push past 'moderation' into healthy. i make minimum wage and work less than 20 hours a week and i'm a full time college student trying to pay off debt. guess what? i feed myself organically with no HFCS, enriched flour, or gluten on less than $200 a month. and yes, the chipotle i am eating today follows the same guidelines.
its friggen doable. you just have to stop being afraid.
btw, cranberries are red. i really hope the person that made that comment realizes that.
200 dollars a month in food for one person is INSANE. Some people have that budget for two people (like me) and others, for more. You're living the high life, so stop trying to say that those of us who have to work full time on top of going to school full time are whiny.0 -
Wow, come on down from your pedestal to the real world. Most people don't care that much about all those things you mentioned. It's quite time consuming and stressful to need to make or check everything you eat all the time. Those are the kind of people that annoy the crap out of their friends when they get together or go out to eat because they're constantly checking everything they put into their mouths and can't just relax and enjoy yourself. People have their own ways of doing things so don't beat on them because you think your way is better.0
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This is not meant to be disrespectful. But if you are on MFP to lose weight, have you always followed your own advice? It's easy to say you are gonna do the right thing forever. But actually living that is tough.
The reason why I believe in "everything in moderation" is because this is a lifestyle change. We may not always be in the postition to buy certain foods or shakes (etc). And most everybody wants something BAD from time to time. I believe if Whoppers are your weakness, have one a month. It will help to keep you on track the other 29 or 30 days. But true moderation is knowing you have to follow the 80/20 rule - 80% of the time you eat good. 20% of the time you indulge. And if you are into serious health/fitness,the 90/10 rul applies. JMO.
As I said: I think having a whopper is extreme, that's why it's best infrequently eaten. on the other hand cooking your own food is a thing of moderation, but we live in a world where that is seen as extreme. very strange.
You know Iheard on (I think) Fox News that nobody cooks anymore - That most Americans eat out now. I think that is really sad. Cooking and eating in is great family time. I see your point!0 -
Wow, come on down from your pedestal to the real world. Most people don't care that much about all those things you mentioned. It's quite time consuming and stressful to need to make or check everything you eat all the time. Those are the kind of people that annoy the crap out of their friends when they get together or go out to eat because they're constantly checking everything they put into their mouths and can't just relax and enjoy yourself. People have their own ways of doing things so don't beat on them because you think your way is better.
Agreed. It's tough living with someone who has to check the labels and fret over the food they're eating at the bar. I know. I used to be that person, and my boyfriend almost broke up with me for it. If you can't live and let live, the people around you are just going to go live out their lives somewhere else.0 -
If I spend all my money buying organic I wont have any left for the strip club,hmmmm over price food or lap dances
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of course not. smokers know that smoking is bad. the thing is, a lot of people don't know that "sugar free" can also be very bad. or that diet soda is in no way good for you. i was going to spew a fact on american obesity but stopped myself because i know it was going to come off as "preachy" so i'm gonna stop here. i honestly don't want to come off as preachy. so like i said before, if this topic interests anyone, there's TONS of research out there that they can discover themselves and make their own decision. and good luck to anyone who reconsiders their eating habits - it's a hard change to make but it's worth it (in my HUMBLE [i promise] opinion)but don't you guys realize it's the american mindset to worry about consequences only after the damage has been done? (i don't mean to sound ethnocentric either, but the majority of people with diet-related illness live in america). since when is information so offensive? how about research for yourselves what the adverse effects of these substances are, then. and if it doesn't concern you, then by all means don't. but don't get offended because i told you twinkies are bad for you. if a smoker was told it would be in his/her best interest to quit smoking, would you all be up in arms about that? why is junk food such a sensitive issue?
It's ALL a sensitive issue. No one wants to be told what they should or shouldn't be doing, especially when they're trying to do better. Honestly, do't really care.. if I wanted the information I would look it up. What people take offense to is being told what they're doing is "wrong". Oh, btw, I'm a smoker too and know that's bad for me as well so I'm sure you'll have a field day with that.0 -
Everyone experience is different, and what everyone is able to do is different. Thats wonderful that the original poster is able to eat perfectly and not put anything harmful into her body ever, but thats not reality for most of us. I live in a small town, with incredibly high grocery prices to begin with(organic is way out of the question, it would be $8 for milk!) 3 kids with different allergies to cook around, and a busy schedule.
Do we eat eggo waffles and pop tarts? No. Do we swing through Mcdonalds once in awhlie after a busy day? You bet we do. If I had umlimited income, energy and time, we wuold eat the best we could every day, but when it comes own to reality, we work with what we've got. We eat the best we can, and when we can't we don't stress over it.0 -
That is serioiusly overstepping the boundaries. Now I'm wondering whether you are deliberately setting out to offend and alienate the very people you say you care about. And no I'm not American, nor do I have any ties to that country or its people.but don't you guys realize it's the american mindset to worry about consequences only after the damage has been done?
Nothing to do with the soda argument per se, but generally statements along the lines of "I'm not eating / drinking XYZ, have you seen what it does to ABC" amuse me tremendously. Have you seen what pH 1-2 Hydrochloric Acid does to metal? Have you seen it eat straight through a piece of wood? I wouldn't recommend anyone drinks it, but that's the stuff that's already in your stomach. :bigsmile:I personally don't drink soda - I do however use it to clean limescale build up in my toilet - and having seen how that cleans up I don't actually want to put that in my body.
Sure, choose not to drink soda, you can even have a go at explaining to me why I shouldn't drink it, because while I rarely drink diet drinks, soda (carbonated) water is something I like and if there's a suspected problem which has been backed up with blind trials on humans, I'd be genuinely interested to be told about it - but I'd need a more convincing argument than the old "Have you seen what X does to Y" thing.0 -
Hmmm...but yet dark beers and red wines actually have health benefits when drank...IN MODERATION. loling.0
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My god, I'm so stressed out about the chemicals I ate today that I smoked a half a pack of cigarettes while I read this!!0
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If I spend all my money buying organic I wont have any left for the strip club,hmmmm over price food or lap dances decisions decisions
Lap dance, obviously. Just don't eat.0 -
I don't want to live forever if I can't have a Snickers bar or pepperoni pizza once in a while.0
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My god, I'm so stressed out about the chemicals I ate today that I smoked a half a pack of cigarettes while I read this!!
Nice!0 -
My god, I'm so stressed out about the chemicals I ate today that I smoked a half a pack of cigarettes while I read this!!
LMAO!:laugh:0 -
Hmmm...but yet dark beers and red wines actually have health benefits when drank...IN MODERATION. loling.
Please pass the bottle....:drinker:0 -
It's just food. I wish people would stop getting so high and mighty about it. Or are we gonna do a Gillian McKeith and poke around in our own poo next? :P0
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Really? And where did you get those facts? Do you have any studies to back that up? Or are you just bashing Americans? Wow. You are beyond condescending. I had a feeling that you weren't from the US, just by the "tone" of your very first post. How nice for you, that you aren't one of us imperfect Americans. Grow up, kid.but don't you guys realize it's the american mindset to worry about consequences only after the damage has been done? (i don't mean to sound ethnocentric either, but the majority of people with diet-related illness live in america). since when is information so offensive? how about research for yourselves what the adverse effects of these substances are, then. and if it doesn't concern you, then by all means don't. but don't get offended because i told you twinkies are bad for you. if a smoker was told it would be in his/her best interest to quit smoking, would you all be up in arms about that? why is junk food such a sensitive issue?0 -
You are not the boss of me.
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While i agree some things should be forbidden b/c they are so unhealthy. I don't think it's ok that your post came off as "i'm Ms Perfect". Even if you didn't intend to, that's the way it came across a lot of people on here.
Healthy food cost more, it is very true, and lots of people have a difficult time getting by as it is.
I see it myself. We're a family of 5 and it takes a lot of food to feed children. We don't have a lot of bad things around, they eat healthy 90% of the time but we do not buy organic. I buy local and in season, i use coupons. And the closest health food store is 40 Minutes away from our house. With gas prices i couldn't even imagine driving that far twice a week to get fresh organic fruit and veggies.
I would LOVE to only buy organic foods but sadly i am not rich, and i am not willing to cut back on other things we need just to eat organic. One day, when we have our own house and staying in it until we die, i do want to grow my own vegetables. But right now it is not possible.0
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