the myth, starvation mode, and dont eat before bed.
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I don't agree with a medical approach to weight loss.I have known many people who taken steroids, with out the side effects you mentioned. I knew some professional body builders. One of my friends just retired from body building. He told me "the amount of steroids you need to take to be a pro is ridiculous" I don't EVER recall of pro bodybuilder dying due to steroid usage. Yes sometimes they die when they do stupid stuff like try to dehydrate their body to get a more lean look on stage.
Like I said, you can drown in a inch of water, does that make water dangerous? Depends on how use it.
You know what I think is funny, you think they are dangerous because you have absolutely no experience with them what so ever. You just blindly follow what people say. Isn't that what this entire topic is about? Guess what, asprin is dangerous too. This is a perfect example of you jumping to conclusions with out any evidence. Your only education on the subject is from the media.
All right people (AND MODERATORS), this should be enough for you to NOT take asmcriminal's advice.
Lets recap-
His "credentials" are:
-Has lots of personal experience
-Read at least 200 books
-Took an online course that anyone with $300 can take
He also thinks
-Steroids are fine
-Steroids use is on par with aspirin use
-I can only infer that he's used them from the above post, as he's had "education" about them that none of us have.
Draw your own conclusion, but if you want to take his diet advice, then I've got some seaside property in Arizona that I'd like to sell you.0 -
I started to read this...and then realized it was a load of crap. You said that humans are predisposed to eat large meals at night. Um....what? No, it's just become a custom to do so. Most families don't have time in the morning or afternoon to get together and eat, so they do it at night. Doesn't it seem like more sense to eat your biggest meal early in the day, so you have all of those nutrients to get you through the day? Plus, the calories consumed in said big meal can have time to go through your body and get burned off.
I'm not a doctor, but I've read a great deal on weight loss, trying to be as informed as possible. There are so many bogus claims and fad diets out there, that we don't need someone who isn't a professional writing crap like this on a site like this. There are teens that come on here, lost, not knowing what to do about their diet. They may read your post, get that, "Oh, I don't have to eat breakfast! Starvation mode is a crock!" and then do the exact opposite of what they should do.
Ugh.0 -
I don't agree with a medical approach to weight loss.I have known many people who taken steroids, with out the side effects you mentioned. I knew some professional body builders. One of my friends just retired from body building. He told me "the amount of steroids you need to take to be a pro is ridiculous" I don't EVER recall of pro bodybuilder dying due to steroid usage. Yes sometimes they die when they do stupid stuff like try to dehydrate their body to get a more lean look on stage.
Like I said, you can drown in a inch of water, does that make water dangerous? Depends on how use it.
You know what I think is funny, you think they are dangerous because you have absolutely no experience with them what so ever. You just blindly follow what people say. Isn't that what this entire topic is about? Guess what, asprin is dangerous too. This is a perfect example of you jumping to conclusions with out any evidence. Your only education on the subject is from the media.
All right people (AND MODERATORS), this should be enough for you to NOT take asmcriminal's advice.
Lets recap-
His "credentials" are:
-Has lots of personal experience
-Read at least 200 books
-Took an online course that anyone with $300 can take
He also thinks
-Steroids are fine
-Steroids use is on par with aspirin use
-I can only infer that he's used them from the above post, as he's had "education" about them that none of us have.
Draw your own conclusion, but if you want to take his diet advice, then I've got some seaside property in Arizona that I'd like to sell you.
Don't forget, he has been at this for 3 whole weeks and now has all the answers! The scary part is that there are people agreeing with him and I think that they would be very interested in your property in Arizona!0 -
I started to read this...and then realized it was a load of crap. You said that humans are predisposed to eat large meals at night. Um....what? No, it's just become a custom to do so. Most families don't have time in the morning or afternoon to get together and eat, so they do it at night. Doesn't it seem like more sense to eat your biggest meal early in the day, so you have all of those nutrients to get you through the day? Plus, the calories consumed in said big meal can have time to go through your body and get burned off.
I'm not a doctor, but I've read a great deal on weight loss, trying to be as informed as possible. There are so many bogus claims and fad diets out there, that we don't need someone who isn't a professional writing crap like this on a site like this. There are teens that come on here, lost, not knowing what to do about their diet. They may read your post, get that, "Oh, I don't have to eat breakfast! Starvation mode is a crock!" and then do the exact opposite of what they should do.
Ugh.
I agree completely. Someone explained to me once when I started losing weight that you should think of your body and metabolism like a fire and that food is the logs, you have to feed the fire slowly and consistently through the day, if you put all the logs (food) in at one time it kills and chokes out the fire (metabolism). Makes sense to me, especially since I spent 10 years eating one meal a day and gaining weight. I started eating 3 meals and at least 2 snacks a day and lost 75 lbs! I have had the starvation mode debate with asmcriminal more than once and have given up that arguement!0 -
I started to read this...and then realized it was a load of crap. You said that humans are predisposed to eat large meals at night. Um....what? No, it's just become a custom to do so. Most families don't have time in the morning or afternoon to get together and eat, so they do it at night. Doesn't it seem like more sense to eat your biggest meal early in the day, so you have all of those nutrients to get you through the day? Plus, the calories consumed in said big meal can have time to go through your body and get burned off.
I'm not a doctor, but I've read a great deal on weight loss, trying to be as informed as possible. There are so many bogus claims and fad diets out there, that we don't need someone who isn't a professional writing crap like this on a site like this. There are teens that come on here, lost, not knowing what to do about their diet. They may read your post, get that, "Oh, I don't have to eat breakfast! Starvation mode is a crock!" and then do the exact opposite of what they should do.
Ugh.
I agree completely. Someone explained to me once when I started losing weight that you should think of your body and metabolism like a fire and that food is the logs, you have to feed the fire slowly and consistently through the day, if you put all the logs (food) in at one time it kills and chokes out the fire (metabolism). Makes sense to me, especially since I spent 10 years eating one meal a day and gaining weight. I started eating 3 meals and at least 2 snacks a day and lost 75 lbs! I have had the starvation mode debate with asmcriminal more than once and have given up that arguement!
It has been scientifically proven that eating triggers the parasympathetic nervous system, which slows down the body. It's that simple. I have been eating 1 time a day and lost 20lbs in 3 weeks.0 -
I started to read this...and then realized it was a load of crap. You said that humans are predisposed to eat large meals at night. Um....what? No, it's just become a custom to do so. Most families don't have time in the morning or afternoon to get together and eat, so they do it at night. Doesn't it seem like more sense to eat your biggest meal early in the day, so you have all of those nutrients to get you through the day? Plus, the calories consumed in said big meal can have time to go through your body and get burned off.
I'm not a doctor, but I've read a great deal on weight loss, trying to be as informed as possible. There are so many bogus claims and fad diets out there, that we don't need someone who isn't a professional writing crap like this on a site like this. There are teens that come on here, lost, not knowing what to do about their diet. They may read your post, get that, "Oh, I don't have to eat breakfast! Starvation mode is a crock!" and then do the exact opposite of what they should do.
Ugh.
NO it doesn't make sense to eat our biggest meals in the day, Think of this, when you eat your food in the morning, you get your energy from the food you eat, when do you get it from your fat stores???? makes no sense.
Fat is the most abundant fuel in the body. What happens when you don't eat in the morning.... OH people get antsy, they want to go do something., they get this energy this desire to go and find some food. Have you ever heard someone say "oh i am hungry i am going to sleep?" or is it more like "wow that big meal make me groggy, going to take a nap" eating triggers the parasympathetic nervous system which slows down the body, making it groggy and tired. Why you think in most offices people just crash after lunch? our bodies aren't designed to work that way.
You think back in the day, in the cavemen day, they where like "i am going to eat a huge breakfast to go hunt?" makes no sense at all. Predators hunt when they're hungry.0 -
I started to read this...and then realized it was a load of crap. You said that humans are predisposed to eat large meals at night. Um....what? No, it's just become a custom to do so. Most families don't have time in the morning or afternoon to get together and eat, so they do it at night. Doesn't it seem like more sense to eat your biggest meal early in the day, so you have all of those nutrients to get you through the day? Plus, the calories consumed in said big meal can have time to go through your body and get burned off.
I'm not a doctor, but I've read a great deal on weight loss, trying to be as informed as possible. There are so many bogus claims and fad diets out there, that we don't need someone who isn't a professional writing crap like this on a site like this. There are teens that come on here, lost, not knowing what to do about their diet. They may read your post, get that, "Oh, I don't have to eat breakfast! Starvation mode is a crock!" and then do the exact opposite of what they should do.
Ugh.
I agree completely. Someone explained to me once when I started losing weight that you should think of your body and metabolism like a fire and that food is the logs, you have to feed the fire slowly and consistently through the day, if you put all the logs (food) in at one time it kills and chokes out the fire (metabolism). Makes sense to me, especially since I spent 10 years eating one meal a day and gaining weight. I started eating 3 meals and at least 2 snacks a day and lost 75 lbs! I have had the starvation mode debate with asmcriminal more than once and have given up that arguement!
It has been scientifically proven that eating triggers the parasympathetic nervous system, which slows down the body. It's that simple. I have been eating 1 time a day and lost 20lbs in 3 weeks.
And I am going to tell you one more time that I have been there....I have done that, and it does NOT work long term! I think everyone on myfitnesspal knows by now that you have lost 20 pounds in 3 weeks, because you mention it in every post! But I am going to tell you that your methods will NOT work long term no matter how much crap you post that it will! I have 20 years of failed weight loss experience to back this up not some articles that you can find online to support what ever you need it to say! You can find 1600 articles online that the holicaust never happened and that Hitler should be a saint......does that make it true???0 -
Below is from another post i made:
My intentions is to not misinform people. I want everyone to be successful at their fitness goal. I know the frustrations that can come with weight loss as all of us know. I want to limit those frustrations, I think a big part of it, is due to misinformation of how the body and how macro nutrients really work. I want all of you to be successful. I think the misinformation is created to benefit the people who started the misinformation in the first place.
I know I have stated some very extreme things and methods. Not so people practice them, but to make a point against the inaccurate information. I want people to open their mind and not be manipulated by someone who is trying to make a profit.
I am for you guys, for the people, I am not against you.
If people try to practice things I have mentioned, they can seriously injure themselves. Like I already stated, the things I have mentioned where just to make a point, not to practice. The things I have mentioned are for people who are very very experienced, and know "exactly" what they're doing. If you have any doubt in what you're doing, consult the appropriate authority.
I have talked about hormonal control, Growth hormone control with diet, and exercise. I talked about controlling your insulin for maximum fat loss. I have talked about very low calorie diets.
The dangers of these are...
Growth Hormone control with diet - if done incorrectly can lead to serious eating problems, which can lead to severe and quick weight gain that you may not be able to break out of.
Growth Hormone control with exercise - this can lead to serious injury to your muscles or skeletal structure. It can also lead to death. with certain unsupervised exercises.
Controlling insulin levels - This can lead to a diabetic coma, which you may not be able to survive.
Very Low calorie diets- Can lead to eating disorders, severe decrease in muscle mass, bone density issues, even death.
The best "general" advice I can give. Is slow gradual progress is best. You're not trying to win a race, ease in to what you're doing, ease in to exercise, ease in to nutrition. If you suddenly change everything, your body will resist. For example if you want to eat at 1500 calories, and you're currently eating at 2500. Maybe start eating at 2200, for a month or two. Then go down to 2000 for a few more months. etc...
Same with exercise, if you have difficulty walking a mile, try to walk a quart mile, if not an 1/8 of a mile, do that a couple times a week and slowly build up to a mile.
I believe that nutrition is the most important thing. An example of easing in to nutrition is to set a goal, like eat a health breakfast. Keep on doing that till it's second nature. Once you have that down, then work on eating a healthy lunch, once you have that down, then a dinner. After you have all your meals healthy, you can work on improving them in terms of being more healthy.
Health and fitness is like an old man sinking in to a tub, slow and gradual over time is best.0 -
It has been scientifically proven that eating triggers the parasympathetic nervous system, which slows down the body. It's that simple. I have been eating 1 time a day and lost 20lbs in 3 weeks.
You keep saying this as the thesis for your argument, which makes me think that you have no idea what it means. The main function of the parasympathetic nervous system is to control digestion and glycogen synthesis, so OF COURSE eating triggers it. It does NOT "slow down the body." OVEREATING causes insulin spikes, which slows down the body.0 -
It has been scientifically proven that eating triggers the parasympathetic nervous system, which slows down the body. It's that simple. I have been eating 1 time a day and lost 20lbs in 3 weeks.
You keep saying this as the thesis for your argument, which makes me think that you have no idea what it means. The main function of the parasympathetic nervous system is to control digestion and glycogen synthesis, so OF COURSE eating triggers it. It does NOT "slow down the body." OVEREATING causes insulin spikes, which slows down the body.
Yes I agree with you, i think this is a hand in hand thing. Each time you eat insulin goes up, each time you eat the parasympathetic nervous system is triggered too.0 -
Below is from another post i made:
My intentions is to not misinform people. I want everyone to be successful at their fitness goal. I know the frustrations that can come with weight loss as all of us know. I want to limit those frustrations, I think a big part of it, is due to misinformation of how the body and how macro nutrients really work. I want all of you to be successful. I think the misinformation is created to benefit the people who started the misinformation in the first place.
I know I have stated some very extreme things and methods. Not so people practice them, but to make a point against the inaccurate information. I want people to open their mind and not be manipulated by someone who is trying to make a profit.
I am for you guys, for the people, I am not against you.
If people try to practice things I have mentioned, they can seriously injure themselves. Like I already stated, the things I have mentioned where just to make a point, not to practice. The things I have mentioned are for people who are very very experienced, and know "exactly" what they're doing. If you have any doubt in what you're doing, consult the appropriate authority.
I have talked about hormonal control, Growth hormone control with diet, and exercise. I talked about controlling your insulin for maximum fat loss. I have talked about very low calorie diets.
The dangers of these are...
Growth Hormone control with diet - if done incorrectly can lead to serious eating problems, which can lead to severe and quick weight gain that you may not be able to break out of.
Growth Hormone control with exercise - this can lead to serious injury to your muscles or skeletal structure. It can also lead to death. with certain unsupervised exercises.
Controlling insulin levels - This can lead to a diabetic coma, which you may not be able to survive.
Very Low calorie diets- Can lead to eating disorders, severe decrease in muscle mass, bone density issues, even death.
The best "general" advice I can give. Is slow gradual progress is best. You're not trying to win a race, ease in to what you're doing, ease in to exercise, ease in to nutrition. If you suddenly change everything, your body will resist. For example if you want to eat at 1500 calories, and you're currently eating at 2500. Maybe start eating at 2200, for a month or two. Then go down to 2000 for a few more months. etc...
Same with exercise, if you have difficulty walking a mile, try to walk a quart mile, if not an 1/8 of a mile, do that a couple times a week and slowly build up to a mile.
I believe that nutrition is the most important thing. An example of easing in to nutrition is to set a goal, like eat a health breakfast. Keep on doing that till it's second nature. Once you have that down, then work on eating a healthy lunch, once you have that down, then a dinner. After you have all your meals healthy, you can work on improving them in terms of being more healthy.
Health and fitness is like an old man sinking in to a tub, slow and gradual over time is best.
Maybe you don't realize that some people come on this site to find information on how to lose weight fast, they have a wedding or a graduation coming up and they are desperate to lose weight and will grasp on to anything that sounds like it will help them. You give advice like you are an expert and you have all the answers, and some of the things I have seen you say are just plain crazy and downright dangerous.
This site is meant to help people lose weight in a safe and healthy fashion, and the people who post on it should be mindful of that, not just posting crazy stuff to prove a point. I know don't have all the answers, that is why I am here.
Please stop telling people that it okay to do what you are doing until you have lost all your weight and kept it off for at least a year of maintenance. Let people who have more experience or training give the advice!0 -
It has been scientifically proven that eating triggers the parasympathetic nervous system, which slows down the body. It's that simple. I have been eating 1 time a day and lost 20lbs in 3 weeks.
You keep saying this as the thesis for your argument, which makes me think that you have no idea what it means. The main function of the parasympathetic nervous system is to control digestion and glycogen synthesis, so OF COURSE eating triggers it. It does NOT "slow down the body." OVEREATING causes insulin spikes, which slows down the body.
Yes I agree with you, i think this is a hand in hand thing. Each time you eat insulin goes up, each time you eat the parasympathetic nervous system is triggered too.
I have been on my "diet" for 30 days. I have lost almost 30lbs. I am doing it strictly through eating the proper amount of calories and exercise. I never feel starved or tired. In fact, I wasn't eating enough before I started this journey, and that's exactly why I was putting on weight! Once I started eating more, my energy went through the roof.
As for "when does your body burn the fat stores".....exercise. That's when. If you eat the right amount of calories, then the calories you eat go directly to your immediate energy needs. If you do any activities over your base calorie number, then it takes the energy it needs from your fat. It's pretty simple.
When you starve yourself, like you're suggesting, it eats your muscle. It's insane, and not safe. I can't believe you would even suggest it.0 -
This is real simple, people.
If I'm burning 2000 calories a day and I eat 1500 calories a day, then where is that extra 500 calories I'm burning come from?
MY FAT stores (for the most part).
You do not have to play dangerous games with your metabolism or hormones to lose weight.0 -
This is real simple, people.
If I'm burning 2000 calories a day and I eat 1500 calories a day, then where is that extra 500 calories I'm burning come from?
MY FAT stores (for the most part).
You do not have to play dangerous games with your metabolism or hormones to lose weight.
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You ever consider it might be "WHAT" you ate when you're on your low calorie diet? You're uneducated in this subject obviously.You're....kind of an idiot, aren't you?
I have been on my "diet" for 30 days. I have lost almost 30lbs. I am doing it strictly through eating the proper amount of calories and exercise. I never feel starved or tired. In fact, I wasn't eating enough before I started this journey, and that's exactly why I was putting on weight! Once I started eating more, my energy went through the roof.
As for "when does your body burn the fat stores".....exercise. That's when. If you eat the right amount of calories, then the calories you eat go directly to your immediate energy needs.
I already discussed how starvation mode works. It's based on your macro nutrient ratios. Of course your energy is going to increase if you're constantly on a high carb diet which spikes your blood glucose level then drops quickly.
Yes exercise does burn some fat, you ever consider its possible to burn fat without the need to exercise? Do i recommend not exercising? No, if you burn fat without exercise and then you exercise you burn more fat.
Yes it eats your muscle IF you eat the wrong type of macro nutrients. NOT ONCE have i recommended a low calorie diet for a beginner. I don't recommend a long term low calorie diet either. What i am talking about is "PART" a fraction of an advanced method for weight loss. I never went in to full details for it because if someone doesn't know what they're doing with their food intake, and manipulating biochemicals with their diet, they can suffer ill consequences.When you starve yourself, like you're suggesting, it eats your muscle. It's insane, and not safe. I can't believe you would even suggest it.
Just so you know, when you don't eat, growth hormone and adrenaline, are released, which burn a ton of fat.
fasting burns 5 times more fat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12051710
eating 800 calories a day while losing 25lbs of fat, and not losing any muscle or slowing down your BMR.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10204826
gherlin(hunger) triggers Growth Hormone
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/293/3/E819.full
fasting longer than 6hrs increases fat oxidation,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212756
skipping breakfast increases fat oxidation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10967612
Do I recommend using techniques done in the studies? Like i already NO, they're for advanced personnel only, you must know exactly what you're doing with your biochemicals. If you attempt these techniques they can lead to serious eating disorders.0 -
This is real simple, people.
If I'm burning 2000 calories a day and I eat 1500 calories a day, then where is that extra 500 calories I'm burning come from?
MY FAT stores (for the most part).
You do not have to play dangerous games with your metabolism or hormones to lose weight.
^^^This. Keep it simple.0 -
Actually, I don't eat a whole lot of carbs.
Actually, I have educated myself pretty well on this.
I eat protein, fruits, veggies, take a multivitamin, and drink plenty of water. I also exercise. THAT"S what ups my energy....not crap food.
Get a clue.0 -
Maybe you don't realize that some people come on this site to find information on how to lose weight fast, they have a wedding or a graduation coming up and they are desperate to lose weight and will grasp on to anything that sounds like it will help them. You give advice like you are an expert and you have all the answers, and some of the things I have seen you say are just plain crazy and downright dangerous.
This site is meant to help people lose weight in a safe and healthy fashion, and the people who post on it should be mindful of that, not just posting crazy stuff to prove a point. I know don't have all the answers, that is why I am here.
Please stop telling people that it okay to do what you are doing until you have lost all your weight and kept it off for at least a year of maintenance. Let people who have more experience or training give the advice!
I've said this about 10x...he just ignores it...or picks one little part out that he can try to chew on to disprove the whole thing.
Reminds me of my borderline personality disorder ex wife to be honest.0 -
Actually, I don't eat a whole lot of carbs.
Actually, I have educated myself pretty well on this.
I eat protein, fruits, veggies, take a multivitamin, and drink plenty of water. I also exercise. THAT"S what ups my energy....not crap food.
Get a clue.
I am talking about BEFORE you changed your dietary habits, when you said you where always tired and stuff.0 -
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I don't care if you guys argue about the topic until the cows come home, but stop with the name calling and childish remarks and derogatory statements.
Since I have previously participated in this topic, I would not be the person to moderate it, but I have no problem requesting another moderator do so.
If you can't be civil, don't post on MFP.
thank you,
SHBoss16730 -
This is real simple, people.
If I'm burning 2000 calories a day and I eat 1500 calories a day, then where is that extra 500 calories I'm burning come from?
MY FAT stores (for the most part).
You do not have to play dangerous games with your metabolism or hormones to lose weight.
Thank you very much!!
Or, if you plateau...you can use safe alternatives such as caloric zig zagging or shaking up your exercise to boost things back into the melting fat zone.0 -
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I don't care if you guys argue about the topic until the cows come home, but stop with the name calling and childish remarks and derogatory statements.
Since I have previously participated in this topic, I would not be the person to moderate it, but I have no problem requesting another moderator do so.
If you can't be civil, don't post on MFP.
thank you,
SHBoss1673
If I personally get out of line...don't hesitate to let me know please. I don't mind correction and certainly want to stay within the rules of the forum. I'm sure the majority of the rest of us feel the same.
Thanks man.
Cris0 -
Yes I understand, what you're saying. It's more about not believing everything you hear/read/see. 90% of the most common things in health and fitness are just pure lies. To take advantage of people. I don't think it's right. I am not saying believe what i say, or what other people say, that's not what I am saying. I am saying, be open minded, think for yourself, don't follow things blindly, that is what this original post is about.Maybe you don't realize that some people come on this site to find information on how to lose weight fast, they have a wedding or a graduation coming up and they are desperate to lose weight and will grasp on to anything that sounds like it will help them. You give advice like you are an expert and you have all the answers, and some of the things I have seen you say are just plain crazy and downright dangerous.
This site is meant to help people lose weight in a safe and healthy fashion, and the people who post on it should be mindful of that, not just posting crazy stuff to prove a point. I know don't have all the answers, that is why I am here.0 -
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I don't care if you guys argue about the topic until the cows come home, but stop with the name calling and childish remarks and derogatory statements.
Since I have previously participated in this topic, I would not be the person to moderate it, but I have no problem requesting another moderator do so.
If you can't be civil, don't post on MFP.
thank you,
SHBoss1673
Thank you, Some people have been offensive, I do my best to be respectful despite the name calling.0 -
Actually, I don't eat a whole lot of carbs.
Actually, I have educated myself pretty well on this.
I eat protein, fruits, veggies, take a multivitamin, and drink plenty of water. I also exercise. THAT"S what ups my energy....not crap food.
Get a clue.
I am talking about BEFORE you changed your dietary habits, when you said you where always tired and stuff.
I didn't eat a whole lot of junk then, either. I've also noticed that my weight loss slows down if I don't hit 1200 calories in a day. I've been on this a month, and my energy is still high. According to your THEORY, I should be tired all of the time from eating so much more.
I also know that once I reach my goal weight, this is an eating style I can live with. I eat a splurge meal once a week, and still lose weight....and keep my energy. 800 calories a day is not normal, healthy, or manageable for a lifetime.
Oh, and when you say you have a ton of evidence to prove your theory, try citing from more than just one website.0 -
If I personally get out of line...don't hesitate to let me know please. I don't mind correction and certainly want to stay within the rules of the forum. I'm sure the majority of the rest of us feel the same.
Thanks man.
Cris
I didn't have a problem with your prior statements Chris, they were biting, but not overtly mean, just your observations, which I find is fine. I don't think you always have to be sweet and cuddly on here, but some others have resorted to name calling and denigration, which is just wrong. there's no place for it in MFP.
I feel like this, if you agree, fine, if you disagree fine, in either case, feel free to state so and reasons why, allow discussion and disagreement. And to his credit, asmcriminal has taken all the heat on here (and there has been quite a bit) and remained relatively calm about it. Whether or not you agree with his point of view, I give him respect for that. When I thought he was wrong about something, I stated so and why, and we disagreed about it, but it was never mean. Calling someone names is just mean, and it has no place here.0 -
This is real simple, people.
If I'm burning 2000 calories a day and I eat 1500 calories a day, then where is that extra 500 calories I'm burning come from?
MY FAT stores (for the most part).
You do not have to play dangerous games with your metabolism or hormones to lose weight.
Thank you very much!!
Or, if you plateau...you can use safe alternatives such as caloric zig zagging or shaking up your exercise to boost things back into the melting fat zone.
I completely agree with this. I never stated other wise. Honestly, I would recommend a beginner to shoot for 1lbs a week, it's easier than 2 lbs a week, the less stress you put on your body, the more likely it will resist you, the more resistance the more likely you'll relapse. I am totally for slow and gradual changes for beginners. I already stated, my intention isn't about changing people's dietary habits, it's more of expanding thier view, and people thinking for themselves.0 -
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I don't care if you guys argue about the topic until the cows come home, but stop with the name calling and childish remarks and derogatory statements.
Since I have previously participated in this topic, I would not be the person to moderate it, but I have no problem requesting another moderator do so.
If you can't be civil, don't post on MFP.
thank you,
SHBoss1673
Thank you, Some people have been offensive, I do my best to be respectful despite the name calling.
And the only thing that I've said is that you're kind of an idiot. I didn't say it to sling a name. I said it because I feel it's true. I'm not going to call you anything that isn't appropriate, or that shouldn't be on a public forum. I just think that it is very idiotic to post something this harmful on a public site, when you have no credentials to back up your advice. If your advice was sound, I would say that you were smart. It's just using the appropriate term.0 -
To each his (her) own! Do what works for you! It's your body, you are in charge. I did it both ways. Before I lost 53 pounds by eating 1200 - 1500 calories a day and probably got in a good 300 calories of exercise but that was before I was cognicent of my exercise calories. If I ate 1500 calories more often than not I would start gaining as with eating most calories at once. Today I eat about 1400+ to 1500+ on a regular basis and have the same weight loss results, but I am happier with more food because I make sure to exercise so I can eat more. I still generally leave 100 - 200 calories uneaten by the end of the day. I am 54 so weight loss might be a bit slower, but I am thinking it is age related, too. I like to eat often so I don't feel hungry all the time. If I'm hungry that is all I can think about. I save a few calories to account for inaccuracies. I prefer to err on the lower side than the higher side.0
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I didn't eat a whole lot of junk then, either. I've also noticed that my weight loss slows down if I don't hit 1200 calories in a day. I've been on this a month, and my energy is still high. According to your THEORY, I should be tired all of the time from eating so much more.
I also know that once I reach my goal weight, this is an eating style I can live with. I eat a splurge meal once a week, and still lose weight....and keep my energy. 800 calories a day is not normal, healthy, or manageable for a lifetime.
Oh, and when you say you have a ton of evidence to prove your theory, try citing from more than just one website.
I think medical/scientific studies are the most valid. When I do post links that aren't scientific studies. People criticize because it's not a reputable source. Guess what? These studies can be misleading. In one it says you can eat 800 calories, and lift weights without loss of muscle mass. What did they eat in those 800 calories? I don't recall it says anything about what they where fed. This goes back to my original point, don't follow things blindly.
I am talking about BEFORE you changed your dietary habits, when you said you where always tired and stuff.0
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