Atkins? Anyone?? Am I the only one doing this?I feel alone.
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She didn't throw misinformed facts. I think it is well documented that a low carb diet is not a healthy lifestyle. It can work for short term dieting.
http://www.worldfitness.org/low-carb-diet-problems.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/lowcarb.htm
This is just not so. Go to you tube.com and look for the study from Stanford University comparing low fat to high fat diets. Atkins compared to other diets. Atkins wins hands down on every health marker that the PROFESSOR used for his research. He was not biased towards Atkins...he and his family are vegetarians. I think some people need to educate themselves a bit more. The old "dogma" is dead.0 -
Ok, your first link is about how low carb is better than low fat diets. I didn't argue that, it's not the 90's anymore SnackWells don't work. We know that.
Then you go on to say how it helps diabetes and arthritis? And losing weight in any fashion doesn't help those diseases???
And who said anything about eating white carbs, and processed sugar? I wouldn't consider those part of a healthy balanced diet, because they aren't healthy. There are carbs that aren't white, I hope you know that.
For the few that have some allergy to carbs, or something that makes it so they shouldn't eat carbs, then fine. They obviously aren't included in this. But be honest, the majority of people on low carb diets are on them because they want to lose weight fast. Which is fine as I said in my first post. Just don't argue to me that it is a sustainable diet for the rest of your life. It is unhealthy in the long term, and most of all why would you punish yourself for the rest of your life and not eat good carbs?
i think you are misinformed about the Atkins diet; the diet does not forbid carbs! low carbs usually equals good carbs...good carbs are veggies...some carbs that are a little higher but also allowed are brown rice, wheat pasta, etc. i think you are referring to phase 1 of the diet, which is not meant to be sustained over more than 2 weeks. You really do have to educate yourself on the whole diet, not just phase 1, before you can form an opinion. it is a sustainable diet, a meal should consist of a meat, veggie, and a healthy carb. You really are eliminating processed foods and sugars. You are speaking in the form of extremity. No one, not even Dr. Atkins, expects you to sustain an extremely low carb level. I am beginning weight lifting and my trainer has recommended low carb and yes, for the rest of my life. It needs to be: Protein - 35%, Carbs - 30%,Fat 35..carbs are the lowest here, but as you can see, its not an extreme amount. Read the book and you will see that the Atkins diet is not asking you to not eat carbs, it essentially is detoxing you from your carb addiction (only 2 weeks of diet not for life) and then training your body to love good carbs to sustain for life.0 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo
This is the link for those who have an open mind and are willing to hear a "different voice" then the ones you have followed forever!0 -
Actual controlled comparison lasting one year comparing 4 differing diets.
Run by a practicing vegan, (yes vegan) who happens to be a PHD at Stanford, and not sponsored by drug companies, and adheres to ruthless scientific technique. Have fun trying to discredit the results.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo&feature=player_embedded#!
Atkins had the greatest impact for reducing cardiac risk factors and won out on long term weight loss as well.
Note: The single statistical determinate of weight maintenance has been shown to be adherence to regular exercise once the weight is lossed, not choice of diet. This is also mentioned in passing in the video, but even with that said, the Atkins group won out.
Aaaaa, you beat me to it.0 -
Ok we are talking about Atkins. NOT just some LOW CARB quick fix. If you are following Atkins you are cutting out white processed carbs. Who said anything about cutting out all carbs? That is not Atkins. I am currently eating up to 150 gms (usually 135) carbs a day and still losing. 86 lbs gone forever. Yes all weightloss can cure those illnesses. Some "diets" are easier than others some work for one set of people others work for another set. I ate 1200 calories a day for 6 months and never lost. I was on 7 meds. My Dr. told me about Atkins. I read the book number one! and I did what he said to do. Do I feel deprived when I can eat such good food? No I don't I haven't. I eat in moderation like any "diet" says to. I have my ups and downs. I am not perfect but I can tell you that after over 5 yrs. I for one say it's sustainable. If you do it right. If anyone says they are doing Atkins and are doing "no" carbs. then we aren't talking about the same eating plan. Your only restricted in the beginning. And oh yea Dr Atkins tells you to eat your veggies..those are carbs too
135 Carbs to me is not a balanced diet, unless your total calories for the day are around 1000 calories. I believe, along with most nutritionists that carbs should be around 60% of your daily calories. Not 30% or 40%. Carbs are not something to be afraid of, the first couple weeks you lose so much weight because you deplete all your glycogen, you gain all that weight back as soon as you start eating carbs again.
not true; 60% carbs is not a balanced diet.0 -
also. i'd just like to throw this out there.. people aren't "MEAN!!!!" or "RUDE!!!" or "JUDGMENTAL!!" for stating facts.
atkins sucks. that's all there is to it.
it's an unhealthy unbalanced F A D diet . trust me, i know. sure it's great to lose 15 lbs of water weight in two weeks. yay!! but what'll happen once you can't handle it anymore? once you feel like eating some potatoes or black beans or a slice of whole wheat bread? you'll gain everything back.
depriving yourself of stuff you need to function, and especially exercise.. is a bit ridiculous. it's a sure way to fail and gain everything back. no ones being rude, no ones being "mean". ... stop getting so ****ing defensive over something so ridiculous.
are you eat back 1 potato or 20? and by the way you can eat a potato on atkins...if you go back to an unhealthy diet after any diet you will get fat, not just Atkins. What i find is that most opposers of a low carb lifestyle refer to Phase 1 of Atkins for knowledge..phase 1 is not for life...its even optional to skip; its a detox. OWL is a lifesytle and a healthy balance. Most people have to work up to this stage because they are used to potatoe chips and candy all their life. If you only eat good carbs and a balance diet, you probably wouldnt be trying to lose weight. The Atkins diet is to help to get to that poing and sustain. READ THE BOOK!!! You guys are misinformed!0 -
this is nuts?!?! i will friend you OP; i eat 1750 calories, lift weights, and follow a low healthy carb diet...we can do this together...15 more pounds to my goal!!! wooohoooo!!! To all of the Atkins haters...im confused as to why you clicked this link? This isnt politics its a lifestyle change....READ THE BOOK, or dont and leave others alone about it geezzzzz!!!0
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Been doing this for 5+ years and if you've read the book..which I don't think a lot of the people who are "anti-Atkins" have..it really is a "ballanced" diet. I want one person to tell me why I need white sugar, white rice, white potatoes , white flour, and all the stuff made from these. I am almost to goal. I eat about 135 gm of carbs per day..good carbs. I have worked up the ladder like Dr. Atkins said to do. I am a success story. If I went back to eating the white carbs again. Yes I'd gain it back. But, why would I go back? I know several people who have done calorie counting, WW, and so many other "diets" who stopped and guess what?? They gained it back. So..maybe..the thought should be..Yes Atkins works..just like any eating plan it has to be a Way of LIFE not a "diet".
Read the book
Work the carb ladder
and don't give up.
I'm not for or against Attkins, but your post reminded me of this!
You are so worth this.
God Bless0 -
Ok, your first link is about how low carb is better than low fat diets. I didn't argue that, it's not the 90's anymore SnackWells don't work. We know that.
Then you go on to say how it helps diabetes and arthritis? And losing weight in any fashion doesn't help those diseases???
And who said anything about eating white carbs, and processed sugar? I wouldn't consider those part of a healthy balanced diet, because they aren't healthy. There are carbs that aren't white, I hope you know that.
For the few that have some allergy to carbs, or something that makes it so they shouldn't eat carbs, then fine. They obviously aren't included in this. But be honest, the majority of people on low carb diets are on them because they want to lose weight fast. Which is fine as I said in my first post. Just don't argue to me that it is a sustainable diet for the rest of your life. It is unhealthy in the long term, and most of all why would you punish yourself for the rest of your life and not eat good carbs?
i think you are misinformed about the Atkins diet; the diet does not forbid carbs! low carbs usually equals good carbs...good carbs are veggies...some carbs that are a little higher but also allowed are brown rice, wheat pasta, etc. i think you are referring to phase 1 of the diet, which is not meant to be sustained over more than 2 weeks. You really do have to educate yourself on the whole diet, not just phase 1, before you can form an opinion. it is a sustainable diet, a meal should consist of a meat, veggie, and a healthy carb. You really are eliminating processed foods and sugars. You are speaking in the form of extremity. No one, not even Dr. Atkins, expects you to sustain an extremely low carb level. I am beginning weight lifting and my trainer has recommended low carb and yes, for the rest of my life. It needs to be: Protein - 35%, Carbs - 30%,Fat 35..carbs are the lowest here, but as you can see, its not an extreme amount. Read the book and you will see that the Atkins diet is not asking you to not eat carbs, it essentially is detoxing you from your carb addiction (only 2 weeks of diet not for life) and then training your body to love good carbs to sustain for life.
Hey girl your speaking to a brick wall...................
Someone people can not be convinced even when the evidence slaps them in the face.0 -
I'm currently on a protein shake, no food, no water diet. I see black spots and tend to get some dizzy spells. Is that normal?
yes. keep doing it.
Ok, good, becaise I was also going to push myself until I collapsed, but after the black spots, I figured I would consult with the people who know the most.
Why are you all invading this post with ignorance and non-sense just to be smart allecks??? Please go somewhere else with that rubbish.0 -
i have also sent you a friend request op, i don't atkins but i do low carb, just frankly feel better without carbs.
this is all i am saying to this thread , if i wanted to argue with a child i would just go home.0 -
My GOD, people in this thread are crazy. OP, I'll friend you as well. I eat low carb with the occasional sweet treat snuck in, but other than that most of my carbs come from veggies, fruits, and the occasional serving of brown rice or something made with whole grains. I exercise 3-4 times a week, am within 10 lbs of my goal, and just got glowing health reviews from a doctor who is familiar with my family's frightening history with diabetes. Just ignore the people here who are completely misinformed, it's not your job to put up with their ignorance.0
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I'm currently on a protein shake, no food, no water diet. I see black spots and tend to get some dizzy spells. Is that normal?
yes. keep doing it.
Ok, good, becaise I was also going to push myself until I collapsed, but after the black spots, I figured I would consult with the people who know the most.
Why are you all invading this post with ignorance and non-sense just to be smart allecks??? Please go somewhere else with that rubbish.
Right. I forgot it is illegal.0 -
I'm currently on a protein shake, no food, no water diet. I see black spots and tend to get some dizzy spells. Is that normal?
yes. keep doing it.
Ok, good, becaise I was also going to push myself until I collapsed, but after the black spots, I figured I would consult with the people who know the most.
Why are you all invading this post with ignorance and non-sense just to be smart allecks??? Please go somewhere else with that rubbish.
Right. I forgot it is illegal.
This is an incredibly immature way to behave in a forum where people are looking for information and support, especially for someone in their 30s. After reading through this whole thread, I didn't see you post anything constructive or informative. Don't you have better things to do than mistakenly and foolishly taunt strangers on the internet?0 -
I'm currently on a protein shake, no food, no water diet. I see black spots and tend to get some dizzy spells. Is that normal?
yes. keep doing it.
Ok, good, becaise I was also going to push myself until I collapsed, but after the black spots, I figured I would consult with the people who know the most.
Why are you all invading this post with ignorance and non-sense just to be smart allecks??? Please go somewhere else with that rubbish.
Right. I forgot it is illegal.
yes your frivolous idiocy take away from all the serious idiocy0 -
The one problem I've always had with Adkin's is the elimination of carrots. I LOVE carrots. I know the reason for it, carrots have a high glycemic index and GI was the thing to measure food by at the time the diet was originated. But carrots actually have very little sugar and have a low glycemic load making them a really healthy addition to a low-carb diet. I saw mentioned on here that there was a new book. Does anyone know if the changes have to do with GI vs. GL?
Just curious.0 -
The one problem I've always had with Adkin's is the elimination of carrots. I LOVE carrots. I know the reason for it, carrots have a high glycemic index and GI was the thing to measure food by at the time the diet was originated. But carrots actually have very little sugar and have a low glycemic load making them a really healthy addition to a low-carb diet. I saw mentioned on here that there was a new book. Does anyone know if the changes have to do with GI vs. GL?
Just curious.
see and i like that fact, its one of only two veggies i WONT eat0 -
The one problem I've always had with Adkin's is the elimination of carrots. I LOVE carrots. I know the reason for it, carrots have a high glycemic index and GI was the thing to measure food by at the time the diet was originated. But carrots actually have very little sugar and have a low glycemic load making them a really healthy addition to a low-carb diet. I saw mentioned on here that there was a new book. Does anyone know if the changes have to do with GI vs. GL?
Just curious.
see and i like that fact, its one of only two veggies i WONT eat0 -
Carrots are only off limits during the first two phases. By phase three, they're allowed again along with white potatoes, acorn squash and yams as well as beans, many fruits, pasta, brown rice and oatmeal.The one problem I've always had with Adkin's is the elimination of carrots. I LOVE carrots. I know the reason for it, carrots have a high glycemic index and GI was the thing to measure food by at the time the diet was originated. But carrots actually have very little sugar and have a low glycemic load making them a really healthy addition to a low-carb diet. I saw mentioned on here that there was a new book. Does anyone know if the changes have to do with GI vs. GL?
Just curious.0 -
Been doing this for 5+ years and if you've read the book..which I don't think a lot of the people who are "anti-Atkins" have..it really is a "ballanced" diet. I want one person to tell me why I need white sugar, white rice, white potatoes , white flour, and all the stuff made from these. I am almost to goal. I eat about 135 gm of carbs per day..good carbs. I have worked up the ladder like Dr. Atkins said to do. I am a success story. If I went back to eating the white carbs again. Yes I'd gain it back. But, why would I go back? I know several people who have done calorie counting, WW, and so many other "diets" who stopped and guess what?? They gained it back. So..maybe..the thought should be..Yes Atkins works..just like any eating plan it has to be a Way of LIFE not a "diet".
Read the book
Work the carb ladder
and don't give up.
You are so worth this.
God Bless
Not for or against atkins, but was reminded of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J4yyDcxBMA 0 -
The USDA and the FDA have based their diet recommendations on a hypothesis (not a proven fact) that fat is bad for you. How do I know this? I've read the actual studies they based these recommendations on. They have NO backbone. Scientists have spent years and years trying to prove it, and they couldn't do it, and when they came across data that actually showed that fat is good for us (hmph imagine that) they dusted it under the rug and tried to explain it away. Why? Because they based their ENTIRE career on proving fat, especially saturated fat, as being what is killing Americans.
The USDA and the government in general knew it would take too long to "prove" that fat was bad, so they went ahead and made the recommendations before it was actually proven in the hopes it would get people to start eating healthier. In all actuality, they made us more unhealthy. Imagine my horror when I found this out. I'd been following what I thought was a healthy diet for months and IT WAS NOT WORKING. No wonder I was so frustrated and almost quit.
I found the Paleo/Primal lifestyle BECAUSE I was trying to find out why what I was doing was not working. I honestly thought I had tried everything. I'm a scientist by trade. Everything I do / believe is based on actual science. I don't just believe some article, written by someone who probably doesn't have a clue about the actual scientific method, I read the freakin' studies on my own and formulate my own opinion!
The high carbohydrate diet most of our country follows is what is making us sick. We don't need grains to survive. That's just not true. And before coming on here to be rude to someone who actually found something that works for her, do some actual research. Quit spewing what you think you know is correct. Just because we have heard since birth that saturated fat is bad for us and whole grains are good, it doesn't mean it's true. I do understand where you are coming from, as I used to be one of you - but then again, I never got on the forum and pretended to be something I'm not (an expert).
I've never read the Adkins book. I might eventually. I actually used to tease my mom for following adkins when she would diet. "It's the only thing that ever works for me" she would say. I made sure to call her and apologize when I found out for myself. Mamma always knows best.
Everything we could possibly need comes in the form of animal protein, animal fat, vegetables and fruit.0 -
Carrots are only off limits during the first two phases. By phase three, they're allowed again along with white potatoes, acorn squash and yams as well as beans, many fruits, pasta, brown rice and oatmeal.The one problem I've always had with Adkin's is the elimination of carrots. I LOVE carrots. I know the reason for it, carrots have a high glycemic index and GI was the thing to measure food by at the time the diet was originated. But carrots actually have very little sugar and have a low glycemic load making them a really healthy addition to a low-carb diet. I saw mentioned on here that there was a new book. Does anyone know if the changes have to do with GI vs. GL?
Just curious.
Oh, I did not know that. My friend did the Adkins thing many years ago and told me no carrots, but she must not have made it to phase three. She didn't stick with it. Or any other healthy diet, unfortunately.0 -
The USDA and the FDA have based their diet recommendations on a hypothesis (not a proven fact) that fat is bad for you. How do I know this? I've read the actual studies they based these recommendations on. They have NO backbone. Scientists have spent years and years trying to prove it, and they couldn't do it, and when they came across data that actually showed that fat is good for us (hmph imagine that) they dusted it under the rug and tried to explain it away. Why? Because they based their ENTIRE career on proving fat, especially saturated fat, as being what is killing Americans.
The USDA and the government in general knew it would take too long to "prove" that fat was bad, so they went ahead and made the recommendations before it was actually proven in the hopes it would get people to start eating healthier. In all actuality, they made us more unhealthy. Imagine my horror when I found this out. I'd been following what I thought was a healthy diet for months and IT WAS NOT WORKING. No wonder I was so frustrated and almost quit.
I found the Paleo/Primal lifestyle BECAUSE I was trying to find out why what I was doing was not working. I honestly thought I had tried everything. I'm a scientist by trade. Everything I do / believe is based on actual science. I don't just believe some article, written by someone who probably doesn't have a clue about the actual scientific method, I read the freakin' studies on my own and formulate my own opinion!
The high carbohydrate diet most of our country follows is what is making us sick. We don't need grains to survive. That's just not true. And before coming on here to be rude to someone who actually found something that works for her, do some actual research. Quit spewing what you think you know is correct. Just because we have heard since birth that saturated fat is bad for us and whole grains are good, it doesn't mean it's true. I do understand where you are coming from, as I used to be one of you - but then again, I never got on the forum and pretended to be something I'm not (an expert).
I've never read the Adkins book. I might eventually. I actually used to tease my mom for following adkins when she would diet. "It's the only thing that ever works for me" she would say. I made sure to call her and apologize when I found out for myself. Mamma always knows best.
Everything we could possibly need comes in the form of animal protein, animal fat, vegetables and fruit.
The USDA and FDA have not recommended a low fat diet since the 1980's. And the was based on research available at the time.0 -
The USDA and FDA have not recommended a low fat diet since the 1980's. And the was based on research available at the time.
Excuse me - low SATURATED fat diet / high carb. And yes, 50-60% carb is too high. Anyone who has done the proper research would agree.0 -
I'm currently on a protein shake, no food, no water diet. I see black spots and tend to get some dizzy spells. Is that normal?
yes. keep doing it.
Ok, good, becaise I was also going to push myself until I collapsed, but after the black spots, I figured I would consult with the people who know the most.
Why are you all invading this post with ignorance and non-sense just to be smart allecks??? Please go somewhere else with that rubbish.
Right. I forgot it is illegal.
yes your frivolous idiocy take away from all the serious idiocy
LOL0 -
The USDA and FDA have not recommended a low fat diet since the 1980's. And the was based on research available at the time.
Excuse me - low SATURATED fat diet / high carb. And yes, 50-60% carb is too high. Anyone who has done the proper research would agree.
Prevailing medical evidence shows that for most people a diet low in saturated fat is healthiest.0 -
The USDA and FDA have not recommended a low fat diet since the 1980's. And the was based on research available at the time.
Excuse me - low SATURATED fat diet / high carb. And yes, 50-60% carb is too high. Anyone who has done the proper research would agree.
Prevailing medical evidence shows that for most people a diet low in saturated fat is healthiest.
No it doesn't. I've spent a year doing my own research, filtering through study after study. You can't trust journalists. Most of them don't even read the whole article they are citing.
I learned how to meticulously pick through journal articles in college - to find out how they conduced the experiment, see if their study is repeatable, and to see if their "conclusion" matched their actual results.
I told you I used to be one of you. I had the same argument with my future father-in-law about butter and how I thought it was horrible. Now, I have to stick my foot in my mouth because I was flat out wrong. That sucks. I'm not a huge fan of the guy.
I'm not trying to be mean or rude. I am simply just trying to help anyone I can to see that what we have been taught our whole life is wrong. I still feel sick when I think about it.
I challenge you to do the research on your own. I promise you will be shocked.
Oh and side note: fat tastes AWESOME!
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OP, this forum is not the place to find support.
In the Food and Nutrition section, there is a support group for Atkins.
I find it sad that in order to get some real info and support, we've had to segregate ourselves from the rest of the forums.0 -
The one problem I've always had with Adkin's is the elimination of carrots. I LOVE carrots. I know the reason for it, carrots have a high glycemic index and GI was the thing to measure food by at the time the diet was originated. But carrots actually have very little sugar and have a low glycemic load making them a really healthy addition to a low-carb diet. I saw mentioned on here that there was a new book. Does anyone know if the changes have to do with GI vs. GL?
Just curious.
I'm not bashing Atkins, I actually prefer the lower carb route, but...
I was just curious if he wrote the new book immediately after his death or if he waited a while....?0 -
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