Shakeology?!?
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Shakeology boards are my favorite!!!0
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That's $120 a month for one meal a day. I can spend $120 on a weeks worth of groceries for 3. What's the better investment?I love Shakeology
It's only $4 a serving which is a meal. People don't have a problem paying that for a Starbucks drink or junk from McDonalds.. People need to learn to invest in their health.
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That's $120 a month for one meal a day. I can spend $120 on a weeks worth of groceries for 3. What's the better investment?I love Shakeology It's only $4 a serving which is a meal. People don't have a problem paying that for a Starbucks drink or junk from McDonalds.. People need to learn to invest in their health.
You are talking from the perspective of a person that 1) wants to shop, 2) lives a healthy lifestyle, and 3) knows how to cook and put the right things into his body. When you look at most of the population and realize the 2/3 of them are overweight or obese, that is obviously not the case. Shakeology is a great product and it contains much more than just protein and a multi-vitamin. Yes, it does work, but does it mean it's going to save everyone in the world or that everyone needs it? No. But if you are overweight, swapping it out with your $4-$5 meal at Starbucks or McDonalds or any other fast food joint will do you wonders.
In respect to the fact that it's an MLM (i.e. direct sales), who cares? OMG, the only people that have good things to say about it were "dumb enough" to sign on as coaches and make money from it? Oh no, shoot them. I guess when you go into your local GNC, you don't care that they also have 100% markup on their products and that goes to support paying their employees, paying for the storefront, utility bills, etc. The manufacturer has the same problem...they pay for machines, people, benefits, etc, so when you think about it, about .05 cents of every dollar you spend at GNC was for the "quality" ingredients you are purchasing there too.
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Right, but the percentage markup on MLM products tends to be much higher to support that particular business model.0
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Right, but the percentage markup on MLM products tends to be much higher to support that particular business model.
And you know this because you are an expert in how much stores markup their products versus MLMs? have you research, a paper, a model, an article? Or is this just based on your ASSUMPTION of how the model works?0 -
$3 to $4 a shake is a pretty good indication of markup.0
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Right, but the percentage markup on MLM products tends to be much higher to support that particular business model.
And you know this because you are an expert in how much stores markup their products versus MLMs? have you research, a paper, a model, an article? Or is this just based on your ASSUMPTION of how the model works?
yay someone who is a certified trainer and nutritionist, i've been trying to get these questions answered, maybe you can?
I'm possibly interested in trying out shakeology, but before i do, I'd like the following questions answered. So no PMs or anything like that until these questions are answered in the thread. Thanks!
1. Is shakeology manufactured in a facility meeting the following complience standards?
NSF Certification Guideline 306
NSF GMP Registration Policies
GMP requirements in NSF/ANSI Standard 173 Section 8
NNfA GMP Certified
2. Can you provide any 3rd party COAs for shakeolgy?
3. Since shakeology is a MRP, why does it not use slower digesting proteins such as micellar casein or a blend of proteins?
4. Shakeolgy is touted as low GI certified, what relavance does that have to the avg person and why are their shakeology recipes on the site which would then change the GI of the shake?
5. Why does it use cyanocobalmin instead of methylcobalin?
6. why does it use only the alpha from of tocophenyl instead of a full spectrum of tocerpherols and tocotrienols (alpha, beta, delta, gamma)?
7. why does it use plain niacin instead of inositol hexanicotinate?
8. why does it use just beta catrotene instead of both alpha and beta carotenes?
9. according to the marketing material shakeolgy "Shakeology was specially formulated for the collection of ingredients to work together like a symphony" can you provide any peer reviewed researching showing that all the compounds esp in the prop blends work synergistically and are in the proper amounts? Just off the top of my head i know that zinc depends on copper for optimum utilization, optimally in a 10 to 1 ratio (shakeology has a 7.5:1 ratio, which may lead to the suppression of copper-based antioxidant enzymes)
10. since there is an abundant use of prop blends, how can i tell if all the extra ingredients are in their optimal dosages that have shown benefits to humans or just label filler?
these are just a few i have off the top of my head after looking label and website0 -
Right, but the percentage markup on MLM products tends to be much higher to support that particular business model.
And you know this because you are an expert in how much stores markup their products versus MLMs? have you research, a paper, a model, an article? Or is this just based on your ASSUMPTION of how the model works?
It's perception of the market and perception of the uniqueness and usability of the product itself.
Consumer pricepoint - $120
Coach pricepoint - $89
There's a 25% markup passed on to the consumer alone, disregarding whatever markup is placed on the actual product cost to cover all other expenses and downstream cost.
It's not a jab directed ONLY at Beachbody, but most MLM companies follow a similar model. I'm familiar with the pricing and payout structures of Pampered Chef, Tastefully Simple, and PartyLite. Each business has core products sold at a price 10-15% higher than the market average for similar product. Maybe higher in the case of PartyLite - I think the last time I looked they were about 25% higher than their Yankee Candle competition. Is the product of higher quality than its direct competition? Much of the time I'd base that solely on genuine user reviews.
To combat the higher than average price, the companies create a "distinction" that their product is unique and of higher quality than their competitors. Is it? Generally is speculation. Each MLM may have a handful of core products that are unique to their brand which CAN sell at a higher price point as they have little competition in their league. P90X is a good example of this. It is a unique product, albeit an MLM product, that is priced competitively within similar non-MLM home workout programs - example: Cathe Friedrich's STS system.
The issue with Shakeology is that its most commonly identified meal replacement competitors - "Greens" smoothies, protein powders, vitamin supplements, etc, while some would argue as being "inferior" are still viewed by customers as viable competition. Even the P90X recovery drink. albeit on the higher pricepoint, still falls into a reasonable level of competition with post-workout glycogen restoring supplements. Shakeology costs can cost 75%-100% more than these competitors. Arguably in a good business model you'd be shooting for 10-30% cost difference. Shakeology could be better marketed as an X-day cleanse kit. Considering competition such as Blueprint Cleanse goes for a $350 asking price, the Shakeology would be a bargain.
I've purchased Shakeology in the past while I was part of the P90X craze as a post-workout meal. While not fond of the taste, I can see some of the attraction to the long list of vitamins, minerals, herbals, etc. on the ingredient list. I'm enough a skeptic, however, that I'm dubious of the benefits and went back to el-cheapo Myoplex and multivitamins.
As for my experience, well, I'm just another idiot who manages sales analysis for a major corporation.0 -
The question posed was "investment" in health. The cost doesn't equate to getting more in health.You are talking from the perspective of a person that 1) wants to shop, 2) lives a healthy lifestyle, and 3) knows how to cook and put the right things into his body. When you look at most of the population and realize the 2/3 of them are overweight or obese, that is obviously not the case. Shakeology is a great product and it contains much more than just protein and a multi-vitamin. Yes, it does work, but does it mean it's going to save everyone in the world or that everyone needs it? No. But if you are overweight, swapping it out with your $4-$5 meal at Starbucks or McDonalds or any other fast food joint will do you wonders.
In respect to the fact that it's an MLM (i.e. direct sales), who cares? OMG, the only people that have good things to say about it were "dumb enough" to sign on as coaches and make money from it? Oh no, shoot them. I guess when you go into your local GNC, you don't care that they also have 100% markup on their products and that goes to support paying their employees, paying for the storefront, utility bills, etc. The manufacturer has the same problem...they pay for machines, people, benefits, etc, so when you think about it, about .05 cents of every dollar you spend at GNC was for the "quality" ingredients you are purchasing there too.
Jeanette Goodrich
NASM Certified Personal Trainer
NASM Certified Fitness Nutrtition Specialist
Certified Group Exercise Instructor: PiYo Strength, STRIDE, RIPPED, Hip Hop Hustle
IDEA Fitness Member
Bootcamp Owner
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ANY MLM is a "profit sharing" scheme amongst sales people and their uplines. When someone sells a Shake, there's at least 3 or more that benefit profit wise.
And you know this because you are an expert in how much stores markup their products versus MLMs? have you research, a paper, a model, an article? Or is this just based on your ASSUMPTION of how the model works?
If a clerk sells you a TV, they DON'T directly profit from it and nor does the the guy that puts it in your truck.
Big difference.
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Dose anyone use the meal replacement drinks from HerbalLife its only because I can get these in the UK and Shakeology is very expensive to buy and run a house with kids LOL0
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Noone ask you comment on anything.... clueless no! your the naive one... why argue if it works for me it works for me ugh! why are you plp so mad?... it's my decision .... smh... childesh lol im done im too grown for you guys...
SELL????? did you hear me selling anything? am i bb coach? NO! so hush it up! thanksLol.
You really aren't arguing anything. I haven't really seen one valid point is the problem. If state why you think it works for you and what is so amazing then it would help!
Seems like you are just trying to sell it to us. We are smart enough not to pay the outrageous price ^-^
Ahem. Don't tell me to hush up.
Good thing you aren't a bb coach. Wouldn't be selling anything. Ha
Seriously. Do some research, you seem quite clueless.
Lol you don't even know why it works for you. We really don't care if you use it or not since it is your money. No need to spread IT IS AWESOME all over the boards - because it is not.
Call me childish all you want... at least I can tell you why my protein powder does the job.0 -
Leaving out all the extremely valid questions asked by ninerbuff, which I have to admit made me lol, how is replacing one form of fast food with another helping anyone? What does it teach you about nutrition? What kind of responsibility for your own health are you taking? It's like the ultimate devolving of responsibility for your nutrition.
Nutrition should be taught in schools, by people who actually know what they are talking about, not according to some government guidelines that are sponsored by the meat, dairy and wheat industries, junk food should have a tax markup and supermarkets shouldn't be allowed to do 2 for 1 deals on junk. Chocolate should have a max sugar limit and a min cocoa content. HFCS should be banned!
People need to learn to take responsibility for their own diet, not just go "ooooh, it tastes like a milk shake! I'll just consume that forever and never have to bother with adult food!"0 -
THIS. We should spend more money in schools on 2 things that I think are directly related to children who will eventually go out on their own. Nutrition and money management. People will ALWAYS eat and ALWAYS deal with money.Leaving out all the extremely valid questions asked by ninerbuff, which I have to admit made me lol, how is replacing one form of fast food with another helping anyone? What does it teach you about nutrition? What kind of responsibility for your own health are you taking? It's like the ultimate devolving of responsibility for your nutrition.
Nutrition should be taught in schools, by people who actually know what they are talking about, not according to some government guidelines that are sponsored by the meat, dairy and wheat industries, junk food should have a tax markup and supermarkets shouldn't be allowed to do 2 for 1 deals on junk. Chocolate should have a max sugar limit and a min cocoa content. HFCS should be banned!
People need to learn to take responsibility for their own diet, not just go "ooooh, it tastes like a milk shake! I'll just consume that forever and never have to bother with adult food!"
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Hi Guys as I can not get Shakelology in the UK has anyone used HerbalLife meal replacement drinks?0
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Have never used it, but for about little over a dollar per shake, that's not a bad cost.Hi Guys as I can not get Shakelology in the UK has anyone used HerbalLife meal replacement drinks?
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ANY MLM is a "profit sharing" scheme amongst sales people and their uplines. When someone sells a Shake, there's at least 3 or more that benefit profit wise.
And you know this because you are an expert in how much stores markup their products versus MLMs? have you research, a paper, a model, an article? Or is this just based on your ASSUMPTION of how the model works?
If a clerk sells you a TV, they DON'T directly profit from it and nor does the the guy that puts it in your truck.
Big difference.
Are you kidding me? You don't think sales clerks get paid commissions? Or the guy that loads it into your truck doesn't get paid to do it? Or maybe get some benefits, like health insurance, workman's comp, etc? Why the hatred of MLMs?
How about we compare an unemployed person making zero money for their time sitting at home. Then they decide to go out and get a personal training cert and charge somebody $60 an hour for their time. That's an infinite markup. Is that so bad? If you hate MLMs, you really just hate anyone that doesn't work a standard job and put in 40 hours a week "working for the man." There's really no difference when you get down to it.0 -
Apples to orange comparison here. Try to make the analogies valid.0
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So is a $2000 tv a pretty good indication of a markup? Or how about a $2000 mattress versus a $500 - more markup? Or is it worth it for the better quality?
Have you attempted to go out and buy all of the individual ingredients in Shakeology and put them together on your own and see how well you do? Even buy pills and stuff to take the place of what you get in it? I bet you can't do it for under $4.
Looking strictly at price tells you nothing.
The sad truth is what most companies do is start with a quality product and then remove crap until it becomes consumer "price acceptable" - at which point, it is essentially crap.
If you're going to make an argument, at least make a better one than that. Maybe find some comparable products and post a spreadsheet or something. Straight price means nothing.0 -
$3 to $4 a shake is a pretty good indication of markup.
So is a $2000 tv a pretty good indication of a markup? Or how about a $2000 mattress versus a $500 - more markup? Or is it worth it for the better quality?
Have you attempted to go out and buy all of the individual ingredients in Shakeology and put them together on your own and see how well you do? Even buy pills and stuff to take the place of what you get in it? I bet you can't do it for under $4.
Looking strictly at price tells you nothing.
The sad truth is what most companies do is start with a quality product and then remove crap until it becomes consumer "price acceptable" - at which point, it is essentially crap.
If you're going to make an argument, at least make a better one than that. Maybe find some comparable products and post a spreadsheet or something. Straight price means nothing.0 -
Apples to orange comparison here. Try to make the analogies valid.
The question is on markup...everyone is dogging markup! The analogy is perfectly valid!0 -
Proper analogy would be a markup of snakeology to another meal replacement shake or to a protein shake.
Not something totally unrelated.
You going to compare your markups to Debeer diamonds now? :laugh:0 -
$3 to $4 a shake is a pretty good indication of markup.
Have you attempted to go out and buy all of the individual ingredients in Shakeology and put them together on your own and see how well you do? Even buy pills and stuff to take the place of what you get in it? I bet you can't do it for under $4.
Looking strictly at price tells you nothing.
actually i could probably create a similar formula with much better ingredients for less then $4
prob something along the lines of aor orthro core/source naturals life force + green vibrance + trutein would do the trick0 -
I see the "experts" here clearly dodged my polite and well-thought explanation to product mark-up.
Ah, being polite never amounts to much heated forum-fodder does it?0 -
I joined as a BB coach for the discount on ShakeO. I seriously LOVE this product. ALL OF THE PRODUCTS ARE FOOD and NATURAL. I've have personally not tasted a better product. I've tried them all. There are ingredients in the competitors that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole let alone let my family ingest.
Just saying.
Is it pricey? Yes and you GET what you PAY FOR. Educate YOURSELF.
I started using Shakelogy in July. By September, my results were excellent and I had plenty of energy so I signed up to be a BB coach - for the DISCOUNT of 25% off all products. I use their workout programs, so this totally made sense to me. I am doing TurboFire right now and already have ChaleneExtreme ready to start 1/1/12. I am a believer in the shakes because I FEEL better and I thikn it is a vital key to my success. Since starting back on Shakeoplogy, I am down 43# and 28" (and I didn't start TurboFire until about a month into my Shakeology). I also enjoy the taste (I have tried a ton of shakes over the past 12 years) and I agree that I even share it with my kids because I trust the brand and the ingredients. I traded out McD's breakfast McMuffin for my shake and I don't ever plan to go back! (the cost btw end up about the same as my McDs!)
I would appreciate everyone being a little less aggressive on this topic - you can state your opinion without being rude or slamming what others have going for them. If you hate the product, make your own aggressive message board so that others asking people WHO HAVE TRIED it and HAD SUCCESS with it can make a fair judgement. The only person that buys under me is my workout partner who has had great success also. I am not pushing a product. I simply love my results! :bigsmile:
So yeah, please play nice....
I didn't see where anyone was aggressive. I see where certified trainers have challenged sales reps. And I have yet to see where the sales reps have met those challenges.0 -
Proper analogy would be a markup of snakeology to another meal replacement shake or to a protein shake.
Not something totally unrelated.
You going to compare your markups to Debeer diamonds now? :laugh:
Sure. Whats the difference? i don't feel any better about 1000% markup on diamonds as I do about it on my food or furniture...0 -
I have I love it right now I can not afford it but it is worth it. I perfer the chocolate although the greenberry is good too.
Are you a beachbody member? do you have a coach?0 -
$3 to $4 a shake is a pretty good indication of markup.
Have you attempted to go out and buy all of the individual ingredients in Shakeology and put them together on your own and see how well you do? Even buy pills and stuff to take the place of what you get in it? I bet you can't do it for under $4.
Looking strictly at price tells you nothing.
actually i could probably create a similar formula with much better ingredients for less then $4
prob something along the lines of aor orthro core/source naturals life force + green vibrance + trutein would do the trick
Ok, go do that, let us all know how it turns out and compares and then sell us YOUR shake.0 -
Proper analogy would be a markup of snakeology to another meal replacement shake or to a protein shake.
Not something totally unrelated.
You going to compare your markups to Debeer diamonds now? :laugh:
Sure. Whats the difference? i don't feel any better about 1000% markup on diamonds as I do about it on my food or furniture...
Apparently you are okay with it for your shakeology0 -
I joined as a BB coach for the discount on ShakeO. I seriously LOVE this product. ALL OF THE PRODUCTS ARE FOOD and NATURAL. I've have personally not tasted a better product. I've tried them all. There are ingredients in the competitors that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole let alone let my family ingest.
Just saying.
Is it pricey? Yes and you GET what you PAY FOR. Educate YOURSELF.
I started using Shakelogy in July. By September, my results were excellent and I had plenty of energy so I signed up to be a BB coach - for the DISCOUNT of 25% off all products. I use their workout programs, so this totally made sense to me. I am doing TurboFire right now and already have ChaleneExtreme ready to start 1/1/12. I am a believer in the shakes because I FEEL better and I thikn it is a vital key to my success. Since starting back on Shakeoplogy, I am down 43# and 28" (and I didn't start TurboFire until about a month into my Shakeology). I also enjoy the taste (I have tried a ton of shakes over the past 12 years) and I agree that I even share it with my kids because I trust the brand and the ingredients. I traded out McD's breakfast McMuffin for my shake and I don't ever plan to go back! (the cost btw end up about the same as my McDs!)
I would appreciate everyone being a little less aggressive on this topic - you can state your opinion without being rude or slamming what others have going for them. If you hate the product, make your own aggressive message board so that others asking people WHO HAVE TRIED it and HAD SUCCESS with it can make a fair judgement. The only person that buys under me is my workout partner who has had great success also. I am not pushing a product. I simply love my results! :bigsmile:
So yeah, please play nice....
I didn't see where anyone was aggressive. I see where certified trainers have challenged sales reps. And I have yet to see where the sales reps have met those challenges.
I am NOT a sales rep - as I said - I ONLY signed up for the discount. The "challengers" are only on this thread because they want to argue. I am not saying they are wrong, I was only saying that I am happy with my purchases. I asked that ppl play "nice" because I could see it was going to be just what it has become - ugly!0
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