Parents Please Wake Up

Aloha2TheSkinnyMe

BCATTOES.....are you Stacy. She bailed early, she usually sticks around and comments on everything , wouldn't miss a chance to put in her 2 sense (kind of like you). Just curious if you are one in the same?

No, I don't know the OP but I agree with much of what she said. I have personally known children whose lives were made miserable and lonely due to obesity. And I have a special needs grandson born with congenital GI problems. He is frequently hospitalized at a promient east coast (US) children's hospital. Since he is often on the GI surgery ward I have seen the children in the bariatric surgery ward and it is hearbreaking. Food can definitely be an instrument of abuse for children.

Do you realize that a lot of HEALTHY foods cause GI problems? I will forever be on medication so that I can eat fruits and vegetables without being in severe pain or vomiting. GI problems happen to all different people, so that was quite an odd comment.

fteale

I think perhaps addressing parents on a health and fitness forum may be preaching to the choir.

seehawkmomma

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

I have to disagree with this. Physical abuse isn't always done with malicious intent. Sometimes people get carried away when they are angry. Just because they didn't intend to harm their child doesn't mean that it is not abuse.

WHEN THEY ARE ANGRY. Are there tons of angry parents out there getting carried away over feeding their children??

christibear

My daughter had Ramen noodles last night for dinner and a pop tart this morning for breakfast. Sue me.

I freakin' hate it when people say "Parents you should be doing xyz". I find with parenting especially it's just best if people mind their own business. If my kid's eating McDonald's every day someone says something about it. If I'm giving them nothing but veggies and brown rice I'm "depriving" them. Can't win in this situation.

I know exactly what you mean. And I honestly don't believe that the OP actually has children, based on her post, I truly feel that she just harbors some resentment towards her parents. It irks me when people blame their parents for their own shortcomings. I hear it all too often, and its usually out of the mouth of a hypocrite!

I believe how parents raise their children is their own business but the children are apart of the "their" and how someone raises their kids will affect them for the rest of their lives, FOREVER, period. I do not need to have kids to know the way I was raised has and always will affect me, how do you not see that. And its not necessarily blame, like I said earlier, its understanding why you are the way that you are in some aspects, yes adults are responsible for their own actions but that does not mean that 18 years of your life do not have a significant affect, those who say you need to have children to understand are rude and ignoring the fact that everyone was somebodies child and they know how their parents affected them.

UsedToBeHusky

I think perhaps addressing parents on a health and fitness forum may be preaching to the choir.

Said that, like 8 pages ago. I found the original post offensive actually.

ShrinkingHollyx

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

I have to disagree with this. Physical abuse isn't always done with malicious intent. Sometimes people get carried away when they are angry. Just because they didn't intend to harm their child doesn't mean that it is not abuse.

WHEN THEY ARE ANGRY. Are there tons of angry parents out there getting carried away over feeding their children??

This.

bcattoes

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

ShrinkingHollyx

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

I disagree with you.

Marla64

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

and therefore obviously must be laid at the feet of the parents-- ???

Marla64

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

I have to disagree with this. Physical abuse isn't always done with malicious intent. Sometimes people get carried away when they are angry. Just because they didn't intend to harm their child doesn't mean that it is not abuse.

WHEN THEY ARE ANGRY. Are there tons of angry parents out there getting carried away over feeding their children??

Oh yeah-- when I'm totally pissed at the kids, I force-feed Hershey bars....that'll teach the little snots.

bcattoes

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

I have to disagree with this. Physical abuse isn't always done with malicious intent. Sometimes people get carried away when they are angry. Just because they didn't intend to harm their child doesn't mean that it is not abuse.

I disagree with this. Many parents occasionally get carried away and punish too severely, even when spanking. It is only when it becomes excessive or routine enough to cause long lasting damage that it is abuse. Calling an otherwise good parent that goes overboard once abusive is the same as saying taking your heathy child to McD (there I mentioned it!!) occasionally is abusive.

seehawkmomma

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

I think your just arguring now.


I previously posted what the state law says is child abuse. What your saying is not it.

fteale

Perhaps you need to be making the distinction between and abusive parent and a stupid one?

taramaureen

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

You have to start taking responsibility for yourself at one point, though. You can't just sit there and say "I'm obese because my parents fed me like **** for part of my life". You're obese because YOU made the choice to shove **** down your own throat, not exercise, or a combination of both.

ShrinkingHollyx

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

I have to disagree with this. Physical abuse isn't always done with malicious intent. Sometimes people get carried away when they are angry. Just because they didn't intend to harm their child doesn't mean that it is not abuse.

WHEN THEY ARE ANGRY. Are there tons of angry parents out there getting carried away over feeding their children??

Oh yeah-- when I'm totally pissed at the kids, I force-feed Hershey bars....that'll teach the little snots.

LOL.

christibear

You get into dangerous territory when you try to put your views onto other's parenting.... U.N. Convention on the Rights of a Child, which thank God the U.S. has not yet ratified....calls it abuse to circumcise your infant male children. It would be against the law to "indoctrinate" your children into your faith.

Someone mentioned "verbal abuse." What's verbal abuse? What I call verbal abuse, you may not. Spanking a child is physical abuse to some-- to others it's proper, biblical discipline.

I believe abuse is one of those things that when you see it you know it, I was verbally abused by relatives when I was younger and no, I do not believe it is up for debate, anything that is damaging to a child mentally or physically is abuse. Physically if someone hits a child and it leaves a bruise that is abuse, if someone is constantly calling their kids cruel names and doing significant mental damage, that is abuse.

bcattoes

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

and therefore obviously must be laid at the feet of the parents-- ???

If the parents are the custodians of the children and resonsible for providing their food, then yes.

seehawkmomma

I disagree with this. Many parents occasionally get carried away and punish too severely, even when spanking. It is only when it becomes excessive or routine enough to cause long lasting damage that it is abuse. Calling an otherwise good parent that goes overboard once abusive is the same as saying taking your heathy child to McD (there I mentioned it!!) occasionally is abusive.
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Taking a HEALTHY child to fast food OCCASIONALLY is abusive???????


If the child is healthy and they eat unhealthy OCCASIONALLY its abuse??

Lady are effing nuts?

christibear

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

You have to start taking responsibility for yourself at one point, though. You can't just sit there and say "I'm obese because my parents fed me like **** for part of my life". You're obese because YOU made the choice to shove **** down your own throat, not exercise, or a combination of both.

Yes I agree, adults have to take responsibility but the choices that parents make nutritionally can (I am not saying always) but can affect someone forever, that is what I am saying. I am not saying my parents are the reason I am obese, it is my fault but it is definitely a contributing factor.

seehawkmomma

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

I have to disagree with this. Physical abuse isn't always done with malicious intent. Sometimes people get carried away when they are angry. Just because they didn't intend to harm their child doesn't mean that it is not abuse.

WHEN THEY ARE ANGRY. Are there tons of angry parents out there getting carried away over feeding their children??

Oh yeah-- when I'm totally pissed at the kids, I force-feed Hershey bars....that'll teach the little snots.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ShrinkingHollyx

I disagree with this. Many parents occasionally get carried away and punish too severely, even when spanking. It is only when it becomes excessive or routine enough to cause long lasting damage that it is abuse. Calling an otherwise good parent that goes overboard once abusive is the same as saying taking your heathy child to McD (there I mentioned it!!) occasionally is abusive.

Taking a HEALTHY child to fast food OCCASIONALLY is abusive???????


If the child is healthy and they eat unhealthy OCCASIONALLY its abuse??

Lady are effing nuts?

LOL. This thread is becoming too humorous for me to handle.

bcattoes

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

You have to start taking responsibility for yourself at one point, though. You can't just sit there and say "I'm obese because my parents fed me like **** for part of my life". You're obese because YOU made the choice to shove **** down your own throat, not exercise, or a combination of both.

Until a certain age children simply do not have the mental faculties to think of the long term consequences of becoming obese. That's what parents are for. If a child is obese it is the fault of the parent(s).

Marla64

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

and therefore obviously must be laid at the feet of the parents-- ???

If the parents are the custodians of the children and resonsible for providing their food, then yes.

So, a 35 year old obese woman, living on her own for, say, 15 years or so who suffered this "permanent physical or mental damage" bears no responsibility-- it's solely her parents fault for force-feeding her crap all her life.

She may have married, be raising her own kids....buys her own groceries...makes her own choices.... but Mommy and Daddy bear the blame for the permanent damage done to her in her childhood?

How convenient-- fits perfectly into our blameshifting culture we are in--

staggering.

Edited to add-- and this is despite all the people in this thread alone who have said that despite being fed HEALTHY food by their parents in their childhood, their formative years, they made BAD choices as adults and ended up obese. Is there some permanent damage we should charge those parents with?

Unreal.

bcattoes

I disagree with this. Many parents occasionally get carried away and punish too severely, even when spanking. It is only when it becomes excessive or routine enough to cause long lasting damage that it is abuse. Calling an otherwise good parent that goes overboard once abusive is the same as saying taking your heathy child to McD (there I mentioned it!!) occasionally is abusive.

Taking a HEALTHY child to fast food OCCASIONALLY is abusive???????


If the child is healthy and they eat unhealthy OCCASIONALLY its abuse??

Lady are effing nuts?

That is the exact opposite of what my post says.

bcattoes

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

and therefore obviously must be laid at the feet of the parents-- ???

If the parents are the custodians of the children and resonsible for providing their food, then yes.

So, a 35 year old obese woman, living on her own for, say, 15 years or so who suffered this "permanent physical or mental damage" bears no responsibility-- it's solely her parents fault for force-feeding her crap all her life.

She may have married, be raising her own kids....buys her own groceries...makes her own choices.... but Mommy and Daddy bear the blame for the permanent damage done to her in her childhood?

How convenient-- fits perfectly into our blameshifting culture we are in--

staggering.

Is the 35 year old obses woman a child?

seehawkmomma

I disagree with this. Many parents occasionally get carried away and punish too severely, even when spanking. It is only when it becomes excessive or routine enough to cause long lasting damage that it is abuse. Calling an otherwise good parent that goes overboard once abusive is the same as saying taking your heathy child to McD (there I mentioned it!!) occasionally is abusive.

Taking a HEALTHY child to fast food OCCASIONALLY is abusive???????


If the child is healthy and they eat unhealthy OCCASIONALLY its abuse??

Lady are effing nuts?

That is the exact opposite of what my post says.

Nope pretty sure i read that correctly "same as saying taking your heathy child to McD (there I mentioned it!!) occasionally is abusive."


Are we to the point where you see you are wrong but cant admit it?

christibear

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

and therefore obviously must be laid at the feet of the parents-- ???

If the parents are the custodians of the children and resonsible for providing their food, then yes.

So, a 35 year old obese woman, living on her own for, say, 15 years or so who suffered this "permanent physical or mental damage" bears no responsibility-- it's solely her parents fault for force-feeding her crap all her life.

She may have married, be raising her own kids....buys her own groceries...makes her own choices.... but Mommy and Daddy bear the blame for the permanent damage done to her in her childhood?

How convenient-- fits perfectly into our blameshifting culture we are in--

staggering.

Edited to add-- and this is despite all the people in this thread alone who have said that despite being fed HEALTHY food by their parents in their childhood, their formative years, they made BAD choices as adults and ended up obese. Is there some permanent damage we should charge those parents with?

Unreal.

No, she is responsible for the choices that she has made, but just as her choices will affect her kids, her parents choices undoubtedly affected her.

fteale

I disagree with this. Many parents occasionally get carried away and punish too severely, even when spanking. It is only when it becomes excessive or routine enough to cause long lasting damage that it is abuse. Calling an otherwise good parent that goes overboard once abusive is the same as saying taking your heathy child to McD (there I mentioned it!!) occasionally is abusive.

Taking a HEALTHY child to fast food OCCASIONALLY is abusive???????


If the child is healthy and they eat unhealthy OCCASIONALLY its abuse??

Lady are effing nuts?

That is the exact opposite of what my post says.

Nope pretty sure i read that correctly "same as saying taking your heathy child to McD (there I mentioned it!!) occasionally is abusive."


Are we to the point where you see you are wrong but cant admit it?

No, she is saying that taking a healthy child to McD's isn't abusive.

ShrinkingHollyx

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

and therefore obviously must be laid at the feet of the parents-- ???

If the parents are the custodians of the children and resonsible for providing their food, then yes.

So, a 35 year old obese woman, living on her own for, say, 15 years or so who suffered this "permanent physical or mental damage" bears no responsibility-- it's solely her parents fault for force-feeding her crap all her life.

She may have married, be raising her own kids....buys her own groceries...makes her own choices.... but Mommy and Daddy bear the blame for the permanent damage done to her in her childhood?

How convenient-- fits perfectly into our blameshifting culture we are in--

staggering.

Is the 35 year old obses woman a child?

You misunderstood the point she was trying to make by a longshot.

Marla64

A chunky healthy child would obviously not be a child fed to point of obesity and abuse, correct?
Though the OP may have mentioned McD, I never have said or implied anything about McD.
A bruise or broken bone is not the only way to abuse a child. This seems to be something we disagree on.

Abuse is something that is done with malicious and cruel intent. Parents are not saying to themselves, "I'm going to feed my kids junkfood on purpose until they become obese!" It is unintentional. Therefore, this would not be considered abuse.

Sorry, I must disagree. Abuse is something that causes long term physical or mental harm. Obesity can do this. It can, in fact, cause permanent physical or mental damage.

and therefore obviously must be laid at the feet of the parents-- ???

If the parents are the custodians of the children and resonsible for providing their food, then yes.

So, a 35 year old obese woman, living on her own for, say, 15 years or so who suffered this "permanent physical or mental damage" bears no responsibility-- it's solely her parents fault for force-feeding her crap all her life.

She may have married, be raising her own kids....buys her own groceries...makes her own choices.... but Mommy and Daddy bear the blame for the permanent damage done to her in her childhood?

How convenient-- fits perfectly into our blameshifting culture we are in--

staggering.

Is the 35 year old obses woman a child?

I'm referencing the dreaded "permanent physical and mental damage." If it's so permanent, he/she will still be suffering from it even after being out on their own for decades.... If it's all mom and dad's fault, they have a perennial excuse.

Yes?