Real women have curves - curves do not equal rolls

Nattiejean57

Real women are healthy

So what's a fake women?

A fake woman is a woman that's my size: size 0 and a 32" chest. I have no curves therefore I am not a real woman. I suspect I may be a man. Though how I gave birth with no meds is beyond me. Now that's some ovaries right there.

I can't get pregnant and i have huge boobs, your one up on me

MrsKunz

Real women have vaginas.

No the *kitten* they don't!!! Are you really going to sit here and say that transwomen and intersexed women aren't REAL women because they don't have vaginas? What about transmen? They have vaginas but they're no more a woman than I am a flying squirrel. This is hateful, derogatory, and exclusionary. This type of speech isn't uplifting or helpful. It's f*cking IGNORANT. Are you kidding me right now?!?! You are a woman if you say you are.

not to be rude but anatomy class taught me real women do have vaginas. whether they were born that way or had it made to fit their body........ hmmmmm

just cause i say im a banana doesnt make me a banana right??

You're mistaking biological sex with gender. (Which, btw, get's rather f*cked up when you've met fully functioning women who just so happens to be born with vaginas yet their chromosomes are XY. Look up androgen insensitivity syndrome.) A person can be anything biologically - man, woman, intersex - but GENDER, that lovely thing people portray to the world, is totally different. Gender is fluid and falls along a spectrum rather than a blatant x or y.

The problem I have is that we are excluding a LOT of people when we make ignorant, blanket statements about a person's genital configuration. A transwoman who's had bottom surgery is more of a woman than a transwomen who hasn't? A transman will always be a women if he doesn't have bottom surgery? What you're saying is hateful.

Not to be rude, but anatomy class doesn't like to teach things other than a 2 gender system. It freaks people out to talk about it any other way. Besides, who's the genital police? Who's taking the time to look and see if someone has a vagina or not? Don't cut out millions of people in this world by such a closed minded view of what a woman or a man REALLY is. Thanks.

This is so way off topic and you are taking this way too personally.

^^^AMEN^^^

mistersmithsbox

OT, perhaps but why allow ignorance to be perpetuated?

Personal? Ya damn skippy. Until you've lived with an intersexed woman who's constantly being referred to a "he" and had her gender undermined for no reason, you don't know. She doesn't have a vagina. Hell, she wasn't even born with a penis! It's offensive and it hits really close to home that even when we're crusading for women, some are being excluded anyway? I don't like the hypocrisy.

MrsKunz

Webster's Dictionary

wom·an noun
\ˈwu̇-mən, especially Southern ˈwō- or ˈwə-\
plural wom·en

Definition of WOMAN

1
a : an adult female person


Woman
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Woman

A woman (/ˈwʊmən/), pl: women (/ˈwɪmɨn/) is a female human.


So you tell me what is a real woman??
I think it is a female human if im reading right
So how it may be if you are in deed a female human i think you might be a woman
Nothing in this says fat, thin, chunky, curvy, boobs, flat, sex organs or not
OMGEEZ people this became such an inappropriate off subject outrageous thread
Nothing in this should have been personal no ones name was mentioned
Look in the mirror YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL!!!

EmpressOfJudgment

Has this really turned into a discussion on the definition of "woman?" I think we've strayed waaaaaaay off topic.

Nattiejean57

OT, perhaps but why allow ignorance to be perpetuated?

Personal? Ya damn skippy. Until you've lived with an intersexed woman who's constantly being referred to a "he" and had her gender undermined for no reason, you don't know. She doesn't have a vagina. Hell, she wasn't even born with a penis! It's offensive and it hits really close to home that even when we're crusading for women, some are being excluded anyway? I don't like the hypocrisy.

Well Miss you don't know me so i wouldn't talk a lot about what I know. i don't live with one anymore but my very close cousin (who used to live with me) in transgender, my uncle is gay and I have a close friend who is also transgender (she is a he) so yes I actually do have a lot of experience with this. The original post was about real women having curves so to me personally that would also include my transgender born male cousin since I don't refer to her as transgender I actually refer to her as a women because mentally that was how she was born. Your the one who identified their sex as transgender not just male or female.

Nattiejean57

Has this really turned into a discussion on the definition of "woman?" I think we've strayed waaaaaaay off topic.

Agreed

ahinescapron

The real problem isn't women who are one way or another, the problem is a society that sets up ideals for yound women that are not possible or healthy for 99.9% of women and reduces what it means to be a woman to a set of numbers. I am not getting involved in all the definition of what it means to be a woman and all that. I am saying that it is sad that any woman, however you define it, is judged and judges herself based solely on what size she fits into or an arbitrary set of measurements defined by the fashion industry. We are not just a container, we have souls, hearts, minds and brains. That is not to say that we should not work to keep all those aspects of ourselves healthy, including our bodies. For some people, healthy will mean curves and for some it won't. Obese will never mean healthy, pure and simple, but it also should not be a measure of someone's self-worth.

jill___

By curves I don't think of Jessica Beil. She's extremely toned and doesn't have an hourglass figure. When CURVES comes to mind I think of...

Or Christina Hendricks from Mad Men

My goal in losing weight is to look like her.... her body is amazing!!!!!! (not so much in the picture though)

veganbaum

Has this really turned into a discussion on the definition of "woman?" I think we've strayed waaaaaaay off topic.

Agreed

Seems to me saying "real women . . . " directly includes definitions as well as cultural perceptions. AND the poster pointing out the exclusion of transgender/transsexuals wasn't the only one who noticed this. In real life women are often the ones to place themselves in categories and exclude each other, more often than men do, as demonstrated by this thread. I think a lot of women could benefit from reading Inga Muscio's book C*nt.

tmarie2715

This is what I think of by "real women have curves"
She has a booty, she has boobs and is in great shape!
There doesn't have to be one extreme or another.

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I hate it when the words "curves" or "curvy" are totally abused and misused.

justbecause2014

Yes! Healthy Curves are beautiful, but being overweight and unhealthy isn't!

simoriah_angel

I have to say, I have friends who are my height (5'5") and 100 lbs soaking wet. I consider them real women and adore their bodies without jealousy. I myself am....much larger. Obviously on here to actively reduce that girth. But I agree far more with Beyonce's body being an example of a "real" woman rather than Jessica Biel's (tho hers is far healthier, AND she was voted sexiest woman by Esquire so....). I just think we have SUCH a warped idea of what a "real" body looks like in this country due to all of the digital alterations we are used to seeing. Don't agree with me? Travel outside the US. Or even review ads for other countries.

Please, when I went to the Puerto Rican day parade a few years ago in NYC, you could tell the difference between the dancers from the island and the dancers from the USA; kinda scary how we let our societal expectations color our views on what is a "real" healthy body.

BTW I only take issue with the last Dove commercial; and if featuring one bigger woman helps out all of the women (like me, btw) not hate or judge themselves less, then I am all for it.

catshark209

Real women are healthy

So what's a fake women?

A fake woman is a woman that's my size: size 0 and a 32" chest. I have no curves therefore I am not a real woman. I suspect I may be a man. Though how I gave birth with no meds is beyond me. Now that's some ovaries right there.

I can't get pregnant and i have huge boobs, your one up on me

I have like no boobs. So does that mean that between the both of us, we are one "real" woman? :laugh:

Nattiejean57

Real women are healthy

So what's a fake women?

A fake woman is a woman that's my size: size 0 and a 32" chest. I have no curves therefore I am not a real woman. I suspect I may be a man. Though how I gave birth with no meds is beyond me. Now that's some ovaries right there.

I can't get pregnant and i have huge boobs, your one up on me

I have like no boobs. So does that mean that between the both of us, we are one "real" woman? :laugh:

You may be on to something I like you style

PeaceLuvVeggies

Real women don't hang out with Yankees players.

Oh please.

cuquee

just love the skin your in...:)

rml_16

I'm sorry that I forgot to include the full broad band spectrum of individuals. I never meant it the way you took it. Actually if someone has surgery and turns their penis into a vagina doesn't that support my statement?

I'm pretty sure an XX chromosome makes someone a real woman. A transgendered person or a drag queen does not have that, no matter what that person calls him/herself.

IronmanPanda

summertime_girl

I'm pretty sure an XX chromosome makes someone a real woman. A transgendered person or a drag queen does not have that, no matter what that person calls him/herself.

Not according to the law. For transgendered, the state department issues a new birth certificate. They ARE real women. By how they feel, by body parts, and by law. Drag queens, for the most part, men who identify as gay, are are essentially putting on a show.

edith_t

i don't know if this has been mentioned already as this thread is way long and i can't be bothered going through it haha

but this is an interesting article on the same topic from a UK newspaper:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mind-your-language/2011/mar/14/mind-your-language-real-woman

mmuzzatti

i don't know if this has been mentioned already as this thread is way long and i can't be bothered going through it haha

but this is an interesting article on the same topic from a UK newspaper:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mind-your-language/2011/mar/14/mind-your-language-real-woman

I agree way to long and not enough pictures! I never read the comments I just look for pictures!

cassy000

Where I come from women want an S curve..and a shelf butt..however that does not look natural..when u see the waist suck in and the huge booty...I love my curves ...but I don't love my rolls

shesblossoming

Kind of glad I'm not a real woman, so I'm not stuck inside some crappy image of what I should be.

FAKE WOMEN UNITE!

BenderFitness

Agree! I think she has one of the best celeb bodies out there! She looks healthy and sexy.

PinkAndSparkle

Real women don't hang out with Yankees players.

AMEN TO THAT!

EmpressOfJudgment

Let's get into an argument about the definition of "alive" so we can figure this out.

soonerthanlater

I'm sure this has already been addressed, but I can't find an exact quote that fits. Some of us will never have "curves" that meet today's society's norm. I am thrilled that women who have a more hour glass figure and more ample measurements are finally getting recognition they deserve. Once upon a time, that was the desired look. Then it became "stick thin". No matter where our popular tastes seemed to lead, someone has always been left out. I will never have curves, unless you count the ratio between shoulders and waist. What I wish is that every body type could be accepted and celebrated so that as long as we are fit we can still feel beautiful. It's too late for me, since old will never be beautiful, but it is a wish I have for all of my younger friends and family members. I just don't want anyone else wasting time wishing they could be "like' something that isn't natural for them. Find your best and feel beautiful in it.

Don't count yourself out. Some of the most beautiful women I've met consider themselves "old". Seen Blythe Danner, Meryl Streep or Helen Mirren lately? Age is a number. Real men (including myself and most of my friends) are attracted to attitude, personality, presence. Decide you are beautiful and you are.

Thank you, oh voice of reason.
p.s. are you free??????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very married, but you're welcome. A little off topic, but that doesn't seem to be an issue on this thread, right?
Embrace your life and experiences, this is beauty that all can see and appreciate.

sarahp86

I want to look like this⬇⬇ she's a size 14 and that's what I'm aiming for.

servilia

I want to look like this⬇⬇ she's a size 14 and that's what I'm aiming for.

OMG she has no butt crack haha
OK but seriously - how messed is that? They show a woman completely naked but blur out her nipples and her crack? This society is crazy..