Language Does Matter!

nerdyandilikeit

How does a typo (accident, in your words) illustrate the point of this thread? This thread is attacking people who don't use the language correctly, not people who make typos.

Edited: TO CHANGE A TYPO, as horrific as that may sound.

It illustrates that language does matter. I'm not attacking anyone, nor do I believe is this post.

I never said that language doesn't matter, so where did you get that idea?

Oh dear. I quit.

BondBomb

I happen to think that was a joke because I have not found it to not be true at all.

So, you DO think it's true. Double negative. Woops.

Exactly. Now the intended meaning of her statement has changed. Why don't people get this?

Yes, I made a typo and now the whole world is going to end because you're on the internet and making an assumption from a typo. Hmm, what's that saying about assumptions.........

It wasn't a typo, it was a grammatical error. I make them all of the time. Humans are flawed and have room for improvement. I personally would prefer someone to point it out to me. Maybe I don't know any better. Maybe I have been using a word in the wrong way. The bottom line is that you are judged by what you say. Even in writing. You don't have to like it. In fact you can continue to be defensive about it. Although I am not sure why. I would rather grow and improve. It seems more productive that getting angry.

Haha. Are you really going to TELL me that I didn't make a typo? Is it just that you don't believe in a typo or what? Because I know that was a typo considering that I'M the one who wrote it. Thanks. I am not angry, just really disgusted with how far people are willing to go to make themselves feel better and superior.

Fine. A typo. The point is that no one is pointing it out to feel superior. I feel superior for other reasons. It is being pointed out because like it or not you are judged on the way you communicate. I have also chosen not to hire people based on poor communication skills. In my line of work we submit reports to various government agencies around the world. If English is their second language (agency) they can not always understand grammatical error and typos. I don't have time to translate the reports for my German collegues.

But where you people are wrong is in judging people for their language skills on the internet, which has NOTHING to do with work. There are tons of people who can communicate just fine at work or in "real" life but don't choose to be so picky when they are on the internet. You're making assumptions that people who don't take the time to look over what they wrote to be sure it's correct when posting on forums/internet are not capable of doing so in the real world. THAT is my point.

Im sorry, where exactly did I say that?

pastryari

How does a typo (accident, in your words) illustrate the point of this thread? This thread is attacking people who don't use the language correctly, not people who make typos.

Edited: TO CHANGE A TYPO, as horrific as that may sound.

It illustrates that language does matter. I'm not attacking anyone, nor do I believe is this post.

I never said that language doesn't matter, so where did you get that idea?

Oh dear. I quit.

I was genuinely curious because looking over my posts, I don't see that sentence anywhere. But very well.

honeysprinkles

I'm an ESL teacher, and it SHOCKS me that native speakers mistake you're/your and their/there/they're.

That shocks you? They're three words that sound the same, it doesn't surprise me that some people get it confused. I know the difference but that doesn't mean that you won't ever catch me accidentally typing there when I mean their.

Proper grammar comes naturally to some of us, so it's easy to not realize that it really can be a struggle for some people. It doesn't mean that they don't care or that they're stupid and it certainly isn't a reason to start feeling better about yourself.

Why not worry about real problems and not petty things like how someone spells or types...this isn't a classroom.

Despite the fact that they are three words that sound the same (they're called "homophones") they have three different and very distinct meanings and they are not interchangeable. So, really, it is sad and wrong that people get them confused.

They're=a contraction for "they are"
Their=plural possessive
There=a place, direction

It's really not that difficult--however, I find myself teaching and re-teaching my 6th grade students these (and other homophones and how to properly use an apostrophe) every.single.year.

Thank you for the unnecessary English lesson. I am fully aware of the difference and I know what a homophone is. What I seem to be able to comprehend that so many of you can't is that it's just not easy for everyone. Instead of being self-righteous and judgmental, I chose to have empathy and realize that it doesn't come as easily for some as it does to me. I am sure there are people out there who are self-conscious about how they type, their grammar, etc. and people like you only make it worse. I won't assume that it's just a result of laziness or stupidity because I realize that it's different for everyone.

pastryari

I happen to think that was a joke because I have not found it to not be true at all.

So, you DO think it's true. Double negative. Woops.

Exactly. Now the intended meaning of her statement has changed. Why don't people get this?

Yes, I made a typo and now the whole world is going to end because you're on the internet and making an assumption from a typo. Hmm, what's that saying about assumptions.........

It wasn't a typo, it was a grammatical error. I make them all of the time. Humans are flawed and have room for improvement. I personally would prefer someone to point it out to me. Maybe I don't know any better. Maybe I have been using a word in the wrong way. The bottom line is that you are judged by what you say. Even in writing. You don't have to like it. In fact you can continue to be defensive about it. Although I am not sure why. I would rather grow and improve. It seems more productive that getting angry.

Haha. Are you really going to TELL me that I didn't make a typo? Is it just that you don't believe in a typo or what? Because I know that was a typo considering that I'M the one who wrote it. Thanks. I am not angry, just really disgusted with how far people are willing to go to make themselves feel better and superior.

Fine. A typo. The point is that no one is pointing it out to feel superior. I feel superior for other reasons. It is being pointed out because like it or not you are judged on the way you communicate. I have also chosen not to hire people based on poor communication skills. In my line of work we submit reports to various government agencies around the world. If English is their second language (agency) they can not always understand grammatical error and typos. I don't have time to translate the reports for my German collegues.

But where you people are wrong is in judging people for their language skills on the internet, which has NOTHING to do with work. There are tons of people who can communicate just fine at work or in "real" life but don't choose to be so picky when they are on the internet. You're making assumptions that people who don't take the time to look over what they wrote to be sure it's correct when posting on forums/internet are not capable of doing so in the real world. THAT is my point.

Im sorry, where exactly did I say that?

Since I wrote a lot, I'm not too sure what you're refering to? Where did you say what?

honeysprinkles

Some people just suck at grammar and spelling. Some people don't. I don't see the big deal and I'm tired of people always complaining about it! There are better things to spend your time worrying about.

This is an important thing. I am a hiring manager, and nothing will eliminate someone from consideration for a job than a resume or cover letter full of spelling and grammatical errors. It is a sample of their work, and if it is full of errors, after having all the time they need to proofread it, have someone else proofread it, or even run it through a spell checker, I assume that all of their work will be of similarly poor quality. That may not be true, but I don't have an hour to spend interviewing someone to try and find out why they can't write and spell properly. So, the bottom line is that poor spelling and grammar is something to spend time worrying about. There are very real impacts.

For something like a job interview or resume, absolutely. For a community forum or everyday life where you don't have a spell/grammar check and time to edit-- not so much.

_binary_jester_

Some people just suck at grammar and spelling. Some people don't. I don't see the big deal and I'm tired of people always complaining about it! There are better things to spend your time worrying about.

Nothing wrong with raising the bar.

...and for people who think this is an "attack"...please. Can I move to the land of rainbows and unicorns also?

nerdyandilikeit

How does a typo (accident, in your words) illustrate the point of this thread? This thread is attacking people who don't use the language correctly, not people who make typos.

Edited: TO CHANGE A TYPO, as horrific as that may sound.

It illustrates that language does matter. I'm not attacking anyone, nor do I believe is this post.

I never said that language doesn't matter, so where did you get that idea?

Oh dear. I quit.

I was genuinely curious because looking over my posts, I don't see that sentence anywhere. But very well.

I didn't either. I didn't say that YOU said that. It's the title of the post. Any points I tried to make are relative to the original point.

honeysprinkles

The problem is people associate good english skills with intelligence. The smartest people I know can't spell very well. The other day my chem professor(graduated from Berkeley) was writing on the board and asked for help on how to spell "precisely" Also one of my math professors who has a PhD in mathematics can't spell worth crap.

Just because you suck at spelling or grammar doesn't mean you're dumb. Just assuming that, is pretty dumb in itself.

SO agree. There are so many different types of intelligence. I'm not arguing that spelling and proper grammar aren't important, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't mean that you're automatically lazy, stupid, uncaring, etc.

Contrarian

The point I was trying to make in the blog was simply that people will make assumptions about others. In the absence of having anything to go on other than written language skills, that is what people will be assessed by. Someone with ****ty spelling may be able to speak quite eloquently, but people cannot hear that online.

No one is perfect. Everyone makes errors. Some people have learning disabilities or simply do not have a great aptitude for language. The point is to try to improve and learn from our mistakes, because the way we communicate is very important.

pastryari

Some people just suck at grammar and spelling. Some people don't. I don't see the big deal and I'm tired of people always complaining about it! There are better things to spend your time worrying about.

This is an important thing. I am a hiring manager, and nothing will eliminate someone from consideration for a job than a resume or cover letter full of spelling and grammatical errors. It is a sample of their work, and if it is full of errors, after having all the time they need to proofread it, have someone else proofread it, or even run it through a spell checker, I assume that all of their work will be of similarly poor quality. That may not be true, but I don't have an hour to spend interviewing someone to try and find out why they can't write and spell properly. So, the bottom line is that poor spelling and grammar is something to spend time worrying about. There are very real impacts.

For something like a job interview or resume, absolutely. For a community forum or everyday life where you don't have a spell/grammar check and time to edit-- not so much.

THIS! Exactly.

BondBomb

I happen to think that was a joke because I have not found it to not be true at all.

So, you DO think it's true. Double negative. Woops.

Exactly. Now the intended meaning of her statement has changed. Why don't people get this?

Yes, I made a typo and now the whole world is going to end because you're on the internet and making an assumption from a typo. Hmm, what's that saying about assumptions.........

It wasn't a typo, it was a grammatical error. I make them all of the time. Humans are flawed and have room for improvement. I personally would prefer someone to point it out to me. Maybe I don't know any better. Maybe I have been using a word in the wrong way. The bottom line is that you are judged by what you say. Even in writing. You don't have to like it. In fact you can continue to be defensive about it. Although I am not sure why. I would rather grow and improve. It seems more productive that getting angry.

Haha. Are you really going to TELL me that I didn't make a typo? Is it just that you don't believe in a typo or what? Because I know that was a typo considering that I'M the one who wrote it. Thanks. I am not angry, just really disgusted with how far people are willing to go to make themselves feel better and superior.

Fine. A typo. The point is that no one is pointing it out to feel superior. I feel superior for other reasons. It is being pointed out because like it or not you are judged on the way you communicate. I have also chosen not to hire people based on poor communication skills. In my line of work we submit reports to various government agencies around the world. If English is their second language (agency) they can not always understand grammatical error and typos. I don't have time to translate the reports for my German collegues.

But where you people are wrong is in judging people for their language skills on the internet, which has NOTHING to do with work. There are tons of people who can communicate just fine at work or in "real" life but don't choose to be so picky when they are on the internet. You're making assumptions that people who don't take the time to look over what they wrote to be sure it's correct when posting on forums/internet are not capable of doing so in the real world. THAT is my point.

Im sorry, where exactly did I say that?

Since I wrote a lot, I'm not too sure what you're refering to? Where did you say what?

Where did I mention anything about judging people based on what they write on the internet? I did agree with the blog in that language is important and I stand by that. And since this post is specifically about grammar it would apply here. And I don't recall judging anyone. Simply stating that we are judged based on communication skills. That is a simple fact. Not liking the truth doesn't change it. You seem to have taken my general statement very personally.

honeysprinkles

I'm an ESL teacher, and it SHOCKS me that native speakers mistake you're/your and their/there/they're.

That shocks you? They're three words that sound the same, it doesn't surprise me that some people get it confused. I know the difference but that doesn't mean that you won't ever catch me accidentally typing there when I mean their.

Proper grammar comes naturally to some of us, so it's easy to not realize that it really can be a struggle for some people. It doesn't mean that they don't care or that they're stupid and it certainly isn't a reason to start feeling better about yourself.

Why not worry about real problems and not petty things like how someone spells or types...this isn't a classroom.

I'm sorry. We just don't agree on this. When I speak to someone that is well spoken and intelligent it makes me think much more fondly of them than I would otherwise.

I wish so badly that my vernacular was so much better then it is and my grammar was as good as my fathers but sadly it isn't,

I'd rather talk to a person who is comfortable with their vocabulary and language choice than someone who tries to unnaturally fit "big" words into sentences and sounds awkward. People do that a lot and it always sounds forced. When I'm writing an academic paper, my style and tone is much different than my everyday life so it doesn't look like I'm trying too hard.

I don't think a big vocabulary is the same as correct grammar.

Not trying to say that it is. She said that she wished her "vernacular" was better. That type of phrasing is sort of what I was referencing when I mentioned using words that don't quite fit in style, the meaning might fit but the style is off so it sounds odd.

_binary_jester_

The point I was trying to make in the blog was simply that people will make assumptions about others. In the absence of having anything to go on other than written language skills, that is what people will be assessed by. Someone with ****ty spelling may be able to speak quite eloquently, but people cannot hear that online.

No one is perfect. Everyone makes errors. Some people have learning disabilities or simply do not have a great aptitude for language. The point is to try to improve and learn from our mistakes, because the way we communicate is very important.

As first impression go, how you look can be overcome. What you say leaves an indelible mark.

honeysprinkles

Some people just suck at grammar and spelling. Some people don't. I don't see the big deal and I'm tired of people always complaining about it! There are better things to spend your time worrying about.

Nothing wrong with raising the bar.

...and for people who think this is an "attack"...please. Can I move to the land of rainbows and unicorns also?

Ever consider how rants and judgments like these might feel to people who truly do struggle with grammar and spelling and might be self-conscious about it?

TDGee

I have noticed in this thread a tendency by some to defend a tenuous position. :huh: I really hope you aren't in charge of anything important. Reminds me of Custer at Little Bighorn.

yummy♥

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone here know how to make a Pine Cone Bird Feeder?

honeysprinkles

I have noticed in this thread a tendency by some to defend a tenuous position. :huh: I really hope you aren't in charge of anything important. Reminds me of Custer at Little Bighorn.

what do you mean by "a tendency by some to defend a tenuous position"? Wordy phrasing, but doesn't really say much at all.

Krizzle4Rizzle

I do struggle with grammar and spelling. I'm not sure why. English was my best subject as a child, but as an adult, I find it slipping away, which is kind of scary. Plus, I am super sensitive about it.

Contrarian

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone here know how to make a Pine Cone Bird Feeder?

I DO!

I also know how to make a pirate hat from a folded newspaper.

dcsump2

Some people just suck at grammar and spelling. Some people don't. I don't see the big deal and I'm tired of people always complaining about it! There are better things to spend your time worrying about.

Nothing wrong with raising the bar.

...and for people who think this is an "attack"...please. Can I move to the land of rainbows and unicorns also?

Ever consider how rants and judgments like these might feel to people who truly do struggle with grammar and spelling and might be self-conscious about it?

I agree wholeheartedly with your responses!

nerdyandilikeit

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone here know how to make a Pine Cone Bird Feeder?

I DO!

I also know how to make a pirate hat from a folded newspaper.

Can you please share your knowledge? I really need a new hat.

Contrarian

I do struggle with grammar and spelling. I'm not sure why. English was my best subject as a child, but as an adult, I find it slipping away, which is kind of scary. Plus, I am super sensitive about it.

Do you read much? I find that reading helps a lot. Many people these days seem to have a difficulty finding time to read, but it definitely helps us maintain our language skills as we get older.

Contrarian

They're are alot of people who seam to disagree, its okay. Your beliefs wont always agree with other people, it shouldn't affect how you feel. Weather people agree or not, they shouldn't argue. I think time spent should be focused on loosing wait not arguing.

Oh, you.

tig_ol_bitties

They're are alot of people who seam to disagree, its okay. Your beliefs wont always agree with other people, it shouldn't affect how you feel. Weather people agree or not, they shouldn't argue. I think time spent should be focused on loosing wait not arguing.

:laugh: I really hope that this comment was meant to be hilarious, because it is!

honeysprinkles

I do struggle with grammar and spelling. I'm not sure why. English was my best subject as a child, but as an adult, I find it slipping away, which is kind of scary. Plus, I am super sensitive about it.

and that's why judgmental crap like this irritates me! :explode:

_binary_jester_

Some people just suck at grammar and spelling. Some people don't. I don't see the big deal and I'm tired of people always complaining about it! There are better things to spend your time worrying about.

Nothing wrong with raising the bar.

...and for people who think this is an "attack"...please. Can I move to the land of rainbows and unicorns also?

Ever consider how rants and judgments like these might feel to people who truly do struggle with grammar and spelling and might be self-conscious about it?

Thank you for making my point. Say hello to the unicorn for me.

All this soft and squishy stuff is nuts. Gosh should I say this just in case someone is offended? If I worried about that...well I guess I would never post.

Like I stated earlier, there is nothing wrong with attempting to raise the bar in terms of discourse. Since this site is based on self improvement, I simply fail to grasp why this topic should fall by the wayside.

Is it overdone? Perhaps. Does that make it any less valid? Absolutely not.

_binary_jester_

I do struggle with grammar and spelling. I'm not sure why. English was my best subject as a child, but as an adult, I find it slipping away, which is kind of scary. Plus, I am super sensitive about it.

and that's why judgmental crap like this irritates me! :explode:

Then I suggest you go pet your cat and take a walk. You are irritated because you choose to be. You continuously return to this thread, which I find more amusing.

Krizzle4Rizzle

I do struggle with grammar and spelling. I'm not sure why. English was my best subject as a child, but as an adult, I find it slipping away, which is kind of scary. Plus, I am super sensitive about it.

I do read quite a bit. Always have. It's weird. I will be typing and suddenly I will forget how to spell a very simple word and I have to google it. This is coming from the 4th grade class spelling bee champion. I guess maybe technology has contributed to it. Almost everything has spell check or auto correct.

honeysprinkles

Some people just suck at grammar and spelling. Some people don't. I don't see the big deal and I'm tired of people always complaining about it! There are better things to spend your time worrying about.

Nothing wrong with raising the bar.

...and for people who think this is an "attack"...please. Can I move to the land of rainbows and unicorns also?

Ever consider how rants and judgments like these might feel to people who truly do struggle with grammar and spelling and might be self-conscious about it?

Thank you for making my point. Say hello to the unicorn for me.

All this soft and squishy stuff is nuts. Gosh should I say this just in case someone is offended? If I worried about that...well I guess I would never post.

Like I stated earlier, there is nothing wrong with attempting to raise the bar in terms of discourse. Since this site is based on self improvement, I simply fail to grasp why this topic should fall by the wayside.

Is it overdone? Perhaps. Does that make it any less valid? Absolutely not.

Okay. No sense in arguing with you. Some people lack the ability to put them selves in another person's shoes for even just a moment.
Let's try not to pretend that the judgmental "I'm better than you" blogs and internet rants are making a difference or raising the bar. It's nothing more than a platform for making yourself feel better compared to others over trivial nonsense.