Language Does Matter!
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I don't like to argue. But I do like to judge. And read grammar books.0
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How do you like my strawman?
A strawman, you say? This sounds like another lovely project!
Do you have instructions for this, good sir?
It would involve straw of some sort. Maybe hay.
Oh, and a man. Definitely a man.
Apart from that I got nuffink...
*heads off to find a man*
Pffffft. Good luck with finding one of those on this board my fragrant pot pourri of loveliness.0 -
People who aren't good at spelling/grammar are usually on low carb.
It's the inshulin. I knew it!
NO MAN, it's the ketones, makes people dum cause they're brain runs on glucose, but they don't consume carbs.
If I had a clue what you were talking about I would agree with you. Definitely. Are the ketones near Florida?0 -
These are things that should be taught in elementary school. Having proper grammar and correct spelling is important. It is very important to my employment and my everyday life. We can agree to disagree.
That shocks you? They're three words that sound the same, it doesn't surprise me that some people get it confused. I know the difference but that doesn't mean that you won't ever catch me accidentally typing there when I mean their.I'm an ESL teacher, and it SHOCKS me that native speakers mistake you're/your and their/there/they're.
Proper grammar comes naturally to some of us, so it's easy to not realize that it really can be a struggle for some people. It doesn't mean that they don't care or that they're stupid and it certainly isn't a reason to start feeling better about yourself.
Why not worry about real problems and not petty things like how someone spells or types...this isn't a classroom.0 -
No, that's the thing. We DON'T disagree. I absolutely agree with your last statement. Not once have I said that it's unimportant. Some how no one seems to understand that. It's the ignorance and judgment that bothers me, the inability to realize that what comes easily to some is a struggle for others that doesn't automatically equal stupidity and laziness. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
These are things that should be taught in elementary school. Having proper grammar and correct spelling is important. It is very important to my employment and my everyday life. We can agree to disagree.
That shocks you? They're three words that sound the same, it doesn't surprise me that some people get it confused. I know the difference but that doesn't mean that you won't ever catch me accidentally typing there when I mean their.I'm an ESL teacher, and it SHOCKS me that native speakers mistake you're/your and their/there/they're.
Proper grammar comes naturally to some of us, so it's easy to not realize that it really can be a struggle for some people. It doesn't mean that they don't care or that they're stupid and it certainly isn't a reason to start feeling better about yourself.
Why not worry about real problems and not petty things like how someone spells or types...this isn't a classroom.0 -
Oh, English! The English language is by far one of the hardest language I've learned. Too many words that are similiar.0
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Language evolves, deal with it.
So, the evolving of language means we should not try to keep up and have some comprehension of it and how to communicate properly? Or, did I take that the wrong way?
It can be an evolution of language. There's a reason why we don't speak like Shakespeare. Language is ever-changing, and there are some scholars that even argue for the teaching of Ebonics, widely considered to be horrid way of spelling and extremely grammatically incorrect.
I do think Language is important and it does matter SOMETIMES. But I also think Geography, History and Math is pretty important. I'm not going to knock anyone for not understanding basic arithmetic, or World History or not knowing where Lebanon is on a world map.
On top of that, I don't think grammar is reflective of a person at all. Rather, grammar,among many other things, is reflective of the poor state of our education.
But we can still read and understand Shakespeare some 500 years later without too much of a translation (meaning one does not need a degree in Literature to understand Shakespeares plays). And to be honest, I also find it a problem when people cannot do basic arithmetic (I will give a pass on algebra or calculus) or cannot find their own State (or any other State) on a map. These are basic skills. Yes, we make mistakes. However, there is a difference between unintentional mistakes (e.g. typos) and ones made because the person doesn't care or doesn't know any better. Does that mean we have a poor state of our education? Perhaps, but it takes more than the teachers (or the school system) to educate a person. They have to care and desire it. I don't have the greatest of grammar or spelling skills myself, but it's not that hard to look up the rules online or in a book.
Okay, but will people in Shakespeare's time understand any of us? They'd probably hate our way of speaking, and writing and if granted the opportunity, will definitely make a thread titled Language doth impertinent or whatever, I hated Shakespeare...-.-
I would recommended a great book on America's educational system, but I forget the title, and I'm too lazy to look for it. But it's a huge eyeopener. It's really sad that there are many schools that don't possess even the basic things to teach children. I'm talking about textbooks from decades ago. And the schools, themselves, are in horrendous conditions. Desks are falling apart, and walls are peeling. It just makes you wonder. How can you expect someone to excel, or care or have a desire to learn, when they're being taught in hopeless places?0 -
yeah how did you know, that's how Dr.Atkins died, he slipped on a ketone.
No, no that's an urban legend. Stop trying to discredit his work! He slipped on a Keystone cop. I hate misinformation.
Here endeth my lessonaire on the import-ance of the playFUL use of langour and age above fixeth structure.
If anyone has a problem with this please take it up with my editor. Or The Editors cos they rawk.0 -
I also know how to make a pirate hat from a folded newspaper.
Can you please share your knowledge? I really need a new hat.
Here you go:
How to make a paper hat
1 step: Get Newspaper or normal paper sheet
2 step: Fold on center . Position the folded crease at the top of your workspace.
3 step: Fold top corner to the center line, creating a diagonal crease.
4 step: Fold the other top corner to the center line, creating a diagonal crease.
5 step: Fold up the bottom edge, top layer only, to cover the edge of the two previous folds.
6 step: Turn over the paper.
7 step: Fold in the left outside edge partway to the center of the paper.
8 step: Fold in the right outside edge partway to the center of the paper
9 step: Adjust to fit. The distance between the outside edges can be adjusted, more or less, to fit the size of your head.Fold up bottom edge
10 step: Open the hat, and place on your head.
Thanks! I need this for my daughter's 6th birthday party coming up in a couple of months.0 -
How do you like my strawman?
A strawman, you say? This sounds like another lovely project!
Do you have instructions for this, good sir?
It would involve straw of some sort. Maybe hay.
Oh, and a man. Definitely a man.
Apart from that I got nuffink...
If the strawman requires a hat, I know how to make one.0 -
These are things that should be taught in elementary school. Having proper grammar and correct spelling is important. It is very important to my employment and my everyday life. We can agree to disagree.
That shocks you? They're three words that sound the same, it doesn't surprise me that some people get it confused. I know the difference but that doesn't mean that you won't ever catch me accidentally typing there when I mean their.I'm an ESL teacher, and it SHOCKS me that native speakers mistake you're/your and their/there/they're.
Proper grammar comes naturally to some of us, so it's easy to not realize that it really can be a struggle for some people. It doesn't mean that they don't care or that they're stupid and it certainly isn't a reason to start feeling better about yourself.
Why not worry about real problems and not petty things like how someone spells or types...this isn't a classroom.
The reason it shocks me is that I have never, EVER had a student make these mistakes. If people learning the language as a second language can get it right, why can't L1 speakers?
I'm not "feeling better about myself" in any way shape or form. It's basic grammar, taking pride in being able to use it is like taking pride in tying my shoes.
It's my JOB to know grammar
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It is a recipe for an apparatus that feeds birds.I MISSED THE BIRD FEEDER RECIPE, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IT IS???
NOT JUDGING!0 -
I MISSED THE BIRD FEEDER RECIPE, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IT IS???
I'm glad you asked!
What you'll need:
Pine cone
Paper plate
Butter knife
Smooth peanut butter
Birdseed
Ribbon or yarn
Scissors
How to make it:
Cut a long length of yarn or ribbon to hang the bird feeder.
Tie the ribbon in a knot around the pine cone near the top (about 3 sections down).
Tie a knot in the end of the ribbon.
Use the knife to get a large clump of peanut butter on the paper plate.
Use the knife to spread peanut butter inside the pine cone and around the edges.
Sprinkle the birdseed over the pine cone.
Roll the pine cone in the birdseed that is on the plate.
Hang the bird feeder on the tree.
Enjoy watching the birds eat their treat!0 -
Yes! English is not my first language, so it's difficult for me to understand sometimes when people misspell things =/
And, I can differentiate between you're/your, their/there/they're, breathe/breath, etc...0 -
I'd like to add that even those whose second [or third or fourth] language is English, tend to speak it more properly than those born here.
I find this as well. I think it is because most are taught the proper language and not the slang that we have picked up over the years.0 -
That shocks you? They're three words that sound the same, it doesn't surprise me that some people get it confused. I know the difference but that doesn't mean that you won't ever catch me accidentally typing there when I mean their.I'm an ESL teacher, and it SHOCKS me that native speakers mistake you're/your and their/there/they're.
Proper grammar comes naturally to some of us, so it's easy to not realize that it really can be a struggle for some people. It doesn't mean that they don't care or that they're stupid and it certainly isn't a reason to start feeling better about yourself.
Why not worry about real problems and not petty things like how someone spells or types...this isn't a classroom.
Oh young one...it does not come naturally to some. It is taught in this nice little place called school...What people do not realize is that your language skills portray education whether you like it or not. People do judge you on these types of things, so act as thought it doesn't matte and continue to write there instead of their on your resume and see how far it gets you.
Ignorance irritates the crap out of me unless someone is attempting to educate themselves. Ask away my friends because closed mouths do not get fed.0 -
I'd like to add that even those whose second [or third or fourth] language is English, tend to speak it more properly than those born here.
LOL. That's a joke.
Naww.... we don't speak it more properly, but we spell better. LMAO! True Story! :laugh:0 -
It's...it's ok. I don't judge you. Wanna hug?
It is a recipe for an apparatus that feeds birds.I MISSED THE BIRD FEEDER RECIPE, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IT IS???
NOT JUDGING!
Remember I am slow.0 -
It's...it's ok. I don't judge you. Wanna hug?
It is a recipe for an apparatus that feeds birds.I MISSED THE BIRD FEEDER RECIPE, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IT IS???
NOT JUDGING!
Remember I am slow.
I can try, I am scared of clowns, YOU'RE A CLOWN.
IT'S A TRAP!0 -
Some people are naturally more adept at learning language, grammar, spelling, etc. That's what I mean by it "comes naturally" to some. Just like some people are very good at math, our brains work differently. And I can do without your condescending attitude. I never said it wasn't important so don't come into an argument 8 pages long with ridiculous assumptions.
That shocks you? They're three words that sound the same, it doesn't surprise me that some people get it confused. I know the difference but that doesn't mean that you won't ever catch me accidentally typing there when I mean their.I'm an ESL teacher, and it SHOCKS me that native speakers mistake you're/your and their/there/they're.
Proper grammar comes naturally to some of us, so it's easy to not realize that it really can be a struggle for some people. It doesn't mean that they don't care or that they're stupid and it certainly isn't a reason to start feeling better about yourself.
Why not worry about real problems and not petty things like how someone spells or types...this isn't a classroom.
Oh young one...it does not come naturally to some. It is taught in this nice little place called school...What people do not realize is that your language skills portray education whether you like it or not. People do judge you on these types of things, so act as thought it doesn't matte and continue to write there instead of their on your resume and see how far it gets you.
Ignorance irritates the crap out of me unless someone is attempting to educate themselves. Ask away my friends because closed mouths do not get fed.
And sometimes typos happen. I'm not going to think that you're an idiot because you wrote "matte" instead of matter and I'm not going to lecture you about how they're different words with different meanings because obviously you just forgot a letter by mistake.0 -
Sorry, it does not matter.
The internet like any other sub culture in our society has comprised it's own short hand, slang, overuse of abbreviations etc and for the most part this form of communication while yes impressionable upon our youth and specific "generations," it is not always the same, it is dependent on the persons style, their level of education and whatever role they are currently filling within that sub culture.
For instance, at work; I care about what I type in emails and memo's I actually look at my grammar, I oftentimes have someone else look at my memo before handing one out. On the internet I could care less. I have an issue where I can see every one's mistakes but my own. I can type a memo out and not see one error even though it is covered in them. When I look at another persons writing I can see the glaring errors.
IT DOES NOT MATTER !
It is not making us dumb...now parents on the other hand...0 -
It just makes you a hypocrite or lazy. Also, I find it funny that in your statement and all previous ones, they were well thought out and clearly stated. Presentation means everything and if you want to be taken seriously, there is a proper way to do it.Sorry, it does not matter.
The internet like any other sub culture in our society has comprised it's own short hand, slang, overuse of abbreviations etc and for the most part this form of communication while yes impressionable upon our youth and specific "generations," it is not always the same, it is dependent on the persons style, their level of education and whatever role they are currently filling within that sub culture.
For instance, at work; I care about what I type in emails and memo's I actually look at my grammar, I oftentimes have someone else look at my memo before handing one out. On the internet I could care less. I have an issue where I can see every one's mistakes but my own. I can type a memo out and not see one error even though it is covered in them. When I look at another persons writing I can see the glaring errors.
IT DOES NOT MATTER !
It is not making us dumb...now parents on the other hand...0 -
I don't understand why it's so hard for people to realize that this is just the internet, an informal means of communication. If your friends jumped on you every time you made a mistake during conversation, they probably wouldn't be your friends for long because that kind of behavior is obnoxious and pretentious! it's no different here! It's one thing in the classroom or the workplace, but otherwise people need to get over themselves a bit.Sorry, it does not matter.
The internet like any other sub culture in our society has comprised it's own short hand, slang, overuse of abbreviations etc and for the most part this form of communication while yes impressionable upon our youth and specific "generations," it is not always the same, it is dependent on the persons style, their level of education and whatever role they are currently filling within that sub culture.
For instance, at work; I care about what I type in emails and memo's I actually look at my grammar, I oftentimes have someone else look at my memo before handing one out. On the internet I could care less. I have an issue where I can see every one's mistakes but my own. I can type a memo out and not see one error even though it is covered in them. When I look at another persons writing I can see the glaring errors.
IT DOES NOT MATTER !
It is not making us dumb...now parents on the other hand...0 -
I don't think that was a joke at all. Many people who learn English as a second or third or fourth language don't take it for granted and actually care about getting it right. They wouldn't argue that it's not important.I'd like to add that even those whose second [or third or fourth] language is English, tend to speak it more properly than those born here.
LOL. That's a joke.
That's the beauty, it's YOUR opinion. I happen to think that was a joke because I have not found it to not be true at all. I'm glad that since English is my first language it means that I take it for granted and don't care about getting it right. Seriously, talk about a generalization.
Um... I don't think this was an attack on native speakers, which is how you seem to have taken it. This person was just pointing out that sometimes, those who learn English as a 2nd language learn the rules better than those of us who learned it as our first language. This can be true for any language... for example, I've been studying French for a few years and am currently in an intermediate-level course. I am learning all about the grammatical structure of the language, etc. Recently when I asked my boyfriend (who has friends from France and speaks it fluently) for help with some homework, he laughed and said that no one actually used the particular grammatical concept I was studying. Even though it was a formal rule, it was one that is hardly ever applied by native speakers, as it has been replaced by "slang." In this way, I am learning to speak French more "properly" than the natives!
But where you people are wrong is in judging people for their language skills on the internet, which has NOTHING to do with work. There are tons of people who can communicate just fine at work or in "real" life but don't choose to be so picky when they are on the internet. You're making assumptions that people who don't take the time to look over what they wrote to be sure it's correct when posting on forums/internet are not capable of doing so in the real world. THAT is my point.
I agree with you to an extent here, but I think the entire point of the blog post, and this thread, is that people will judge you for this WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. People are judgmental creatures; that's just the truth. I'm not saying I like it - I try to live my life as free of judgement as possible - but we judge people every single day. We judge people when we are being asked out on a date. We judge people when they are applying for a job. We judge people when deciding who's lane to go down at the supermarket.
And on the internet, we judge people when they type. For example, if two people are presenting conflicting views and are each trying to convince you of their side, and one of them
types lyke this nd sais they need to loose weight bcuz their too fat
and one of them
Presents the information in a more "clean" manor, using proper spelling, punctuation, and grammar...
Which one are you more likely to listen to?
Personally, I'm more inclined to take the one with proper spelling and grammar seriously. Does that make me a bad person? I don't think so. It certainly doesn't make me feel "superior" or better about myself because one of them made a lot of errors. It's just that the person using correct grammatical structure seems more educated, because, well, you learn grammar when you get an education (or you're supposed to, at least).
I'm not talking about people who make the occasional typo or brain fart - we all do that. I'm talking about people who refuse to learn, and implement, proper grammatical techniques when trying to communicate with others. You just can't expect others to take you seriously when you do that. And THAT is what this thread was about.0 -
What was hypocritical about that statement?
It just makes you a hypocrite or lazy. Also, I find it funny that in your statement and all previous ones, they were well thought out and clearly stated. Presentation means everything and if you want to be taken seriously, there is a proper way to do it.Sorry, it does not matter.
The internet like any other sub culture in our society has comprised it's own short hand, slang, overuse of abbreviations etc and for the most part this form of communication while yes impressionable upon our youth and specific "generations," it is not always the same, it is dependent on the persons style, their level of education and whatever role they are currently filling within that sub culture.
For instance, at work; I care about what I type in emails and memo's I actually look at my grammar, I oftentimes have someone else look at my memo before handing one out. On the internet I could care less. I have an issue where I can see every one's mistakes but my own. I can type a memo out and not see one error even though it is covered in them. When I look at another persons writing I can see the glaring errors.
IT DOES NOT MATTER !
It is not making us dumb...now parents on the other hand...0 -
I just want to say again that I am not arguing against your blog. I don't think it was offensive and I can see that you're intentions were good.I feel that the original intent of the blog has been misconstrued. Perhaps I need to work on my communication skills.
I will make a pine cone bird feeder or a nice pirate hat out of newspaper.
I believe you've misused a homophone. :huh:0 -
HoneySprinklePreciousSnowflake, may I ask, WHY do you care if someone (aka a stranger) on the internet judges you? Does this do some cosmic harm to you that I am unaware of?
Why, exactly, do you care?0 -
your* oh no...:yawn:
I just want to say again that I am not arguing against your blog. I don't think it was offensive and I can see that you're intentions were good.I feel that the original intent of the blog has been misconstrued. Perhaps I need to work on my communication skills.
I will make a pine cone bird feeder or a nice pirate hat out of newspaper.
I believe you've misused a homophone. :huh:
I'm probably lazy, ignorant, and stupid. Judge me, please.
That's more of a typo than a misuse, but either way, I'll bet my post was still perfectly understandable, no?0 -
It just makes you a hypocrite or lazy. Also, I find it funny that in your statement and all previous ones, they were well thought out and clearly stated. Presentation means everything and if you want to be taken seriously, there is a proper way to do it.Sorry, it does not matter.
The internet like any other sub culture in our society has comprised it's own short hand, slang, overuse of abbreviations etc and for the most part this form of communication while yes impressionable upon our youth and specific "generations," it is not always the same, it is dependent on the persons style, their level of education and whatever role they are currently filling within that sub culture.
For instance, at work; I care about what I type in emails and memo's I actually look at my grammar, I oftentimes have someone else look at my memo before handing one out. On the internet I could care less. I have an issue where I can see every one's mistakes but my own. I can type a memo out and not see one error even though it is covered in them. When I look at another persons writing I can see the glaring errors.
IT DOES NOT MATTER !
It is not making us dumb...now parents on the other hand...
It does not make me a hypocrite. It proves my point as to what I am saying. Every one has their own style and level of education. Some people do have well thought out statements and others do not. What is the point on harping on any of that ? Ignore it and move on. I think for the most part people have trouble with the openness that is the internet and cannot get over the fact that people communicate in different ways or simply have drastic differences in levels of education.
I grew up in a public education system that in 10th grade the teacher argued with me after telling the class that the Vietnam Conflict occurred prior to the Korean Conflict and that World War 2 was started with the assassination of Ferdinand. My point is that I can guarantee you that over half of this forum audience if asked who Franz Ferdinand was and what historical event did his death trigger half of them would say "that singer is dead?"
Would you care if people honestly didn't know that ? Same thing with language. Who CARES ?0 -
1. Where was I judged?HoneySprinklereciousSnowflake, may I ask, WHY do you care if someone (aka a stranger) on the internet judges you? Does this do some cosmic harm to you that I am unaware of?
Why, exactly, do you care?
2. When did I state that it bothered me?
I'm bothered by the fact that people who actually struggle with grammar and spelling are being looked down upon for it. I (with the exception of the occasional typo) am not one of those people. English, literature, and comprehension have always been and continue to be my strongest areas in school.
I don't care what people think about me on here. I am arguing a point, not my character. I also generally do not type slang and shorthand online, but when I do it's intentional and in appropriate settings.0
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