Language Does Matter!
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I'd rather have a daughter that is empathetic and non-judgmental than one who builds her self-esteem on the foundation of having good grammar. It doesn't come easily for everyone. I'm not saying that grammar isn't important, but I think some of you need to get off of your high horse and realize that it IS a struggle for some people and your judgments aren't okay.My personal opinion is that those born to the "texting generation" are losing their ability to write/read/speak properly. Shorthand may work for texting and even personal email, but at some point these boys and girls will be expected to join the working class. May as well practice proper written skills now rather than trying to figure out why they couldn't even get an interview because of a poorly written resume/application/cover letter.
Like, fer realz!
My 12 year old daughter texts in complete, gramatically correct sentences. She makes fun of her friends that don't.
There IS hope for the future, although you probably will not find it in this thread.
well, here's one example.0 -
In chit chat, not really. If I asked for advice in one of the other sections and the advice was littered with misspellings and poor grammar, absolutely. It's like Jeff Foxworthy says, "nobody wants to hear their brain surgeon say, 'Al’ight now what we're gonna do is, saw the top of your head off, root around in there with a stick and see if we can't find that dad burn clot."
It just makes you a hypocrite or lazy. Also, I find it funny that in your statement and all previous ones, they were well thought out and clearly stated. Presentation means everything and if you want to be taken seriously, there is a proper way to do it.Sorry, it does not matter.
The internet like any other sub culture in our society has comprised it's own short hand, slang, overuse of abbreviations etc and for the most part this form of communication while yes impressionable upon our youth and specific "generations," it is not always the same, it is dependent on the persons style, their level of education and whatever role they are currently filling within that sub culture.
For instance, at work; I care about what I type in emails and memo's I actually look at my grammar, I oftentimes have someone else look at my memo before handing one out. On the internet I could care less. I have an issue where I can see every one's mistakes but my own. I can type a memo out and not see one error even though it is covered in them. When I look at another persons writing I can see the glaring errors.
IT DOES NOT MATTER !
It is not making us dumb...now parents on the other hand...
It does not make me a hypocrite. It proves my point as to what I am saying. Every one has their own style and level of education. Some people do have well thought out statements and others do not. What is the point on harping on any of that ? Ignore it and move on. I think for the most part people have trouble with the openness that is the internet and cannot get over the fact that people communicate in different ways or simply have drastic differences in levels of education.
I grew up in a public education system that in 10th grade the teacher argued with me after telling the class that the Vietnam Conflict occurred prior to the Korean Conflict and that World War 2 was started with the assassination of Ferdinand. My point is that I can guarantee you that over half of this forum audience if asked who Franz Ferdinand was and what historical event did his death trigger half of them would say "that singer is dead?"
Would you care if people honestly didn't know that ? Same thing with language. Who CARES ?0 -
If you could care less on the internet, why do you not do so? It sounds as if you are currently caring too much.On the internet I could care less.
Or did you mean that to say that on the internet you could NOT care less?0 -
And, I'd say 9 pages of argument pretty much indicates that you're massively bothered by it.0
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whenever someone realizes that they don't have anything real to add to the argument, that's always the first go-to. haha. I'm annoyed by it and I don't mind a debate. Overall, sure, I'm a bit bothered by the general arrogant and self-righteous attitude that is prevalent in not only this little meaningless internet debate but in so many other aspects of life as well.And, I'd say 9 pages of argument pretty much indicates that you're massively bothered by it.0 -
It matters to a certain point; dependent on whether the meaning received is true to the meaning implied or expressed.
People will make mistakes; they are going to occur regardless. Stop these fallacies that these mistakes will be subdued by circular topics, they will not.0 -
If you could care less on the internet, why do you not do so? It sounds as if you are currently caring too much.On the internet I could care less.
Or did you mean that to say that on the internet you could NOT care less?
It irritates me that people are irritated about people that make mistakes, so we have come full circle. You are irritating.0 -
1. Where was I judged?HoneySprinklereciousSnowflake, may I ask, WHY do you care if someone (aka a stranger) on the internet judges you? Does this do some cosmic harm to you that I am unaware of?
Why, exactly, do you care?
2. When did I state that it bothered me?
I'm bothered by the fact that people who actually struggle with grammar and spelling are being looked down upon for it. I (with the exception of the occasional typo) am not one of those people. English, literature, and comprehension have always been and continue to be my strongest areas in school.
I don't care what people think about me on here. I am arguing a point, not my character. I also generally do not type slang and shorthand online, but when I do it's intentional and in appropriate settings.
Here's the thing, the smart ones don't look down on it. :-O
So I've noticed. 0 -
And, I'd say 9 pages of argument pretty much indicates that you're massively bothered by it.
And yet you too are contributing to the 9 pages.0 -
I'm sorry, but this issue seems way too condescending for me to agree with. People may not have perfect grammar or spelling for a number or reasons, and it's not up to us to judge them. This is a fitness support site, not an English class, and as long as you can understand what someone is trying to say, then who cares about little grammar and spelling mistakes?0
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pretty much what I've been saying for 9 pages now!I'm sorry, but this issue seems way too condescending for me to agree with. People may not have perfect grammar or spelling for a number or reasons, and it's not up to us to judge them. This is a fitness support site, not an English class, and as long as you can understand what someone is trying to say, then who cares about little grammar and spelling mistakes? 0 -
I'm sorry, but this issue seems way too condescending for me to agree with. People may not have perfect grammar or spelling for a number or reasons, and it's not up to us to judge them. This is a fitness support site, not an English class, and as long as you can understand what someone is trying to say, then who cares about little grammar and spelling mistakes?
Well said; this website is for fitness not for testing the grammatical capabilities of the poster or someone that comments.0 -
Honestly, I rly dont see any prob wit ppl's language. Y r u so worried bout others? If I can read it and understand it then I'm not gonna be a freakin gramma nazi and yell at people to type out every word correctly. N-e-way, have fun worrying about how others speak. I just don't get y ppl r use their spare time to correct ppl who they will never meet and have no impact in their lives whatsoever.0
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Capitalization is important.
It's the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse. :-D0 -
If you don't know your language, you can't communicate effectively. At the very least, I'll judge you a little.
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Wow. I am shocked that you would say that you would "judge" this person. WHO are you to do this? The Grammar Police? And, WHY should that PW aspire to be at your (not you're) grammar level?
This is a WEIGHT LOSS website. Someplace where those of us with insecurities about our weight come and get support.
Why would you feel so compelled to make someone feel ashamed that they are, perhaps, not as educated as you. Or, that they may have had a long day writing essays, or writing reports, and not give a hoot whether or not they use proper grammar.
Sheesh, give us a break. Chill out. Have a glass of low-cal wine. It is what it is. Have a Blessed Night!0 -
Honestly, I rly dont see any prob wit ppl's language. Y r u so worried bout others? If I can read it and understand it then I'm not gonna be a freakin gramma nazi and yell at people to type out every word correctly. N-e-way, have fun worrying about how others speak. I just don't get y ppl r use their spare time to correct ppl who they will never meet and have no impact in their lives whatsoever.
Excellent! You've proved the point.0 -
I think you mean punctuationCapitalization is important.
It's the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse. :-D
I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse
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I helped my uncle Jack off a horse0 -
Three words in and I stopped reading.Honestly, I rly dont see any prob wit ppl's language. Y r u so worried bout others? If I can read it and understand it then I'm not gonna be a freakin gramma nazi and yell at people to type out every word correctly. N-e-way, have fun worrying about how others speak. I just don't get y ppl r use their spare time to correct ppl who they will never meet and have no impact in their lives whatsoever.0 -
I snickered.
I think you mean punctuationCapitalization is important.
It's the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse. :-D
I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse
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I helped my uncle Jack off a horse0 -
And, I'd say 9 pages of argument pretty much indicates that you're massively bothered by it.
And yet you too are contributing to the 9 pages.
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I'm an ESL teacher, and it SHOCKS me that native speakers mistake you're/your and their/there/they're.
Spelling never was my strong point . . . js0 -
After all of this arguing and stuff, you all must be very hungry. I brought you some sandwiches.
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My personal opinion is that those born to the "texting generation" are losing their ability to write/read/speak properly. Shorthand may work for texting and even personal email, but at some point these boys and girls will be expected to join the working class. May as well practice proper written skills now rather than trying to figure out why they couldn't even get an interview because of a poorly written resume/application/cover letter.
Like, fer realz!
I second this.
To those who honestly have a hard time with spelling or grammar or just general verbal or written expression such as those learning it as another language or those with dyslexia or other dysfunctions, if they're spelling poorly then it's not something anyone needs commenting on. However when the case is that the person is fully capable of correct spelling and grammar and chooses not to use it, then I see it as a problem. Shorthand, "txt spk", l337, and anything else should be reserved for your phone if it does not have a full keyboard, physical or on-screen, twitter because of the character limit, and maybe in IMs or e-mails if you're that in a hurry. If you have a full, 26 letter keyboard in front of you, use it. There is no excuse, not even "I type really slow."
When I was in high school I was friends with most of the teachers since my Aunt taught there as well. I heard so many complaints from the teachers whenever it came to writing essays or, for English/Literature, short stories, or even just assignments that had you write out a paragraph. The students would write in text speak and some of them who spoke very heavy slang would write exactly how they spoke. These students were not dumb, many of them pulled high grades but when it came to writing they just butchered the English language. Hell I had a friend who purposely began misspelling all her Facebook posts because another friend corrected a word she had typed wrong from her phone. I told her something and she blocked me and behind my back told another person how big a virgin I must be to be bothered with spelling on Facebook.
On your own free time and in certain circles it's fine if you don't care or want to type or talk a certain way but for the majority of society, if your use of your native tongue is poor then you'll be thought of as stupid or ignorant. One or two misspelled words on a resume may not matter, but if you can't pull a simple sentence out your butt to save your life or you slather it all in slang, do you really think you'll be getting hired? And I'm talking higher-end jobs, not McDonalds. I'm fairly certain their criteria is not high when it comes to hiring employees.0 -
So you stopped at rly?
Three words in and I stopped reading.Honestly, I rly dont see any prob wit ppl's language. Y r u so worried bout others? If I can read it and understand it then I'm not gonna be a freakin gramma nazi and yell at people to type out every word correctly. N-e-way, have fun worrying about how others speak. I just don't get y ppl r use their spare time to correct ppl who they will never meet and have no impact in their lives whatsoever.0 -
Yes.
So you stopped at rly?
Three words in and I stopped reading.Honestly, I rly dont see any prob wit ppl's language. Y r u so worried bout others? If I can read it and understand it then I'm not gonna be a freakin gramma nazi and yell at people to type out every word correctly. N-e-way, have fun worrying about how others speak. I just don't get y ppl r use their spare time to correct ppl who they will never meet and have no impact in their lives whatsoever.0 -
Wow. I am shocked that you would say that you would "judge" this person. WHO are you to do this? The Grammar Police? And, WHY should that PW aspire to be at your (not you're) grammar level?
This is a WEIGHT LOSS website. Someplace where those of us with insecurities about our weight come and get support.
Why would you feel so compelled to make someone feel ashamed that they are, perhaps, not as educated as you. Or, that they may have had a long day writing essays, or writing reports, and not give a hoot whether or not they use proper grammar.
Sheesh, give us a break. Chill out. Have a glass of low-cal wine. It is what it is. Have a Blessed Night!
Well being as this is the internet and text generally is how we communicate, poor grammar, spelling, and overall language is how people will see you. Someone who does not capitalize, punctuate, or spell very well will be perceived as either young or someone who is lazy. Not everyone sees it that way, but considering we have the technology of a 26-letter keyboard and the ability to turn on spellcheck or at least google for the right spelling, there's not much excuse to poorly represent yourself and your level of intelligence, no matter what the website is geared towards.0 -
"rly" isn't a word. So he would have had to stop at "dont". Unless punctuation matters in his mind, then he'd have stopped at "see".0
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And, I'd say 9 pages of argument pretty much indicates that you're massively bothered by it.
And yet you too are contributing to the 9 pages.
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"rly" isn't a word. So he would have had to stop at "dont". Unless punctuation matters in his mind, then he'd have stopped at "see".
Rly=really in text speak so therefore it is a word. Like ain't :flowerforyou:0 -
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