Swine Flu
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her account was deleted over this? What the heck...?! Healthy opinion sharing was all it was. I thought the koolaid quip was warranted. And I also think that those of you that are concerned have every right to be. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Deleting your account over that? seriously?:huh:
Some people take things reallllllly seriously...makes me wonder how they get through life. If I was that mentally fragile I'd be curled up in the fetal position in a corner all the time.0 -
I would say something but Roxy wont let me:sad:0
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I would say something but Roxy wont let me:sad:
So you always do what you're told?
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I would say something but Roxy wont let me:sad:
So you always do what you're told?
Good to know--
hush you
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rut roh0
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I live in Mexicli the city that has been pin pointed as a treat. Two deaths have been confirmed due to the virus. However most people are still up and about as nothing is taking place. School has been canceled until May 6th but children are not all staying home. 1 out of every 100 is wearing a mask. I am one of them. Although a mask won’t protect you 100% I figure something is better then nothing. I offer our customers hand sanitizer and constantly disinfect the equipment they have used to be safer then sorry. I wish more people would cover their mouth or wash their hands after sneezing instead of spreading the Germs.0
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I hope things get better and I wish you the best......:flowerforyou: Thank you for taking the extra precautions.....your right better safe than sorry and it doesnt mean we stop living our day to day lives or that we are overeacting...its simply taking precautions and taking that extra little step that we normally wouldnt do......perhaps others will see your effort and pick up on it...ThanksI live in Mexicli the city that has been pin pointed as a treat. Two deaths have been confirmed due to the virus. However most people are still up and about as nothing is taking place. School has been canceled until May 6th but children are not all staying home. 1 out of every 100 is wearing a mask. I am one of them. Although a mask won’t protect you 100% I figure something is better then nothing. I offer our customers hand sanitizer and constantly disinfect the equipment they have used to be safer then sorry. I wish more people would cover their mouth or wash their hands after sneezing instead of spreading the Germs.0 -
As much as I want to agree with you I can't. I've been following this virus for the past four years and I do believe there is some reason for concern. Pigs are known to carrry the H1N1 virus. That is the reason it's called the swine flu. Pigs have simular immune systems to ours. So it's easy for the virus to transmit from pig to human then it goes human to human to human.
1918 the Spanish flu also known as the H1N1 virus killed millions of people all around the globe during the second wave. This is the same virus from 1918 it's mutated into a new strand. Make no doubt about this, this is the first wave of three. The first wave is mild. The second wave is what will cost several people their lives from the ages of 24 - 44 years old, it tricks the immune system to the point where you drown in your bodily fluids. The third wave is not as bad as the second one.
There is a serious concern that there's a chance the H1N1 will combine with the H5N1 virus which then we're all screwed as the H5N1 is a much more serious deadly virus that is better at spreading then the H1N1.
There will be no vaccine for the first four to six months, and tamiflu is not going to do any good by the time this really gets into full swing.
There is a letter that was found in 1959 dated back during the 1918 spanish flu out break.
Copy of original letter found in Detroit in 1959
Camp Devens, Mass.
Surgical Ward No 16
29 September 1918
(Base Hospital)
My dear Burt-
It is more than likely that you would be interested in the news of this place, for there is a possibility that you will be assigned here for duty, so having a minute between rounds I will try to tell you a little about the situation here as I have seen it in the last week.
As you know I have not seen much Pneumonia in the last few years in Detroit, so when I came here I was somewhat behind in the niceties of the Army way of intricate Diagnosis. Also to make it good, I have had for the last week an exacerbation of my old "Ear Rot" as Artie Ogle calls it, and could not use a Stethoscope at all, but had to get by on my ability to "spot" ' em thru my general knowledge of Pneumonias. I did well enough, and finally found an old Phonendoscope that I pieced together, and from then on was all right. You know the Army regulations require very close locations etc.
Camp Devens is near Boston, and has about 50,000 men, or did have before this epidemic broke loose. It also has the Base Hospital for the Div. of the N. East. This epidemic started about four weeks ago, and has developed so rapidly that the camp is demoralized and all ordinary work is held up till it has passed. All assembleges of soldiers taboo.
These men start with what appears to be an ordinary attack of LaGrippe or Influenza, and when brought to the Hosp. they very rapidly develop the most viscous type of Pneumonia that has ever been seen. Two hours after admission they have the Mahogany spots over the cheek bones, and a few hours later you can begin to see the Cyanosis extending from their ears and spreading all over the face, until it is hard to distinguish the coloured men from the white. It is only a matter of a few hours then until death comes, and it is simply a struggle for air until they suffocate. It is horrible. One can stand it to see one, two or twenty men die, but to see these poor devils dropping like flies sort of gets on your nerves. We have been averaging about 100 deaths per day, and still keeping it up. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a new mixed infection here, but what I dont know. My total time is taken up hunting Rales, rales dry or moist, sibilant or crepitant or any other of the hundred things that one may find in the chest, they all mean but one thing here -Pneumonia-and that means in about all cases death.
The normal number of resident Drs. here is about 25 and that has been increased to over 250, all of whom (of course excepting me) have temporary orders-"Return to your proper Station on completion of work". Mine says "Permanent Duty", but I have been in the Army just long enough to learn that it doesnt always mean what it says. So I dont know what will happen to me at the end of this.
We have lost an outrageous number of Nurses and Drs., and the little town of Ayer is a sight. It takes Special trains to carry away the dead. For several days there were no coffins and the bodies piled up something fierce, we used to go down to the morgue (which is just back of my ward) and look at the boys laid out in long rows. It beats any sight they ever had in France after a battle. An extra long barracks has been vacated for the use of the Morgue, and it would make any man sit up and take notice to walk down the long lines of dead soldiers all dressed and laid out in double rows. We have no relief here, you get up in the morning at 5 .30 and work steady till about 9.30 P.M., sleep, then go at it again. Some of the men of course have been here all the time, and they are TIRED.
If this letter seems somewhat disconnected overlook it, for I have been called away from it a dozen times the last time just now by the Officer of the Day, who came in to tell me that they have not as yet found at any of the autopsies any case beyond the Red. Hepatitis. stage. It kills them before they get that far.
I dont wish you any hard luck Old Man but I do wish you were here for a while at least. Its more comfortable when one has a friend about. The men here are all good fellows, but I get so damned sick o Pneumonia that when I go to eat I want to find some fellow who will not "Talk Shop" but there aint none nohow. We eat it live it, sleep it, and dream it, to say nothing of breathing it 16 hours a day. I would be very grateful indeed if you would drop me a line or two once in a while, and I will promise you that if you ever get into a fix like this, I will do the same for you.
Each man here gets a ward with about 150 beds, (Mine has 168) and has an Asst. Chief to boss him, and you can imagine what the paper work alone is - fierce,-- and the Govt. demands all paper work be kept up in good shape. I have only four day nurses and five night nurses (female) a ward-master, and four orderlies. So you can see that we are busy. I write this in piecemeal fashion. It may be a long time before I can get another letter to you, but will try.
This letter will give you an idea of the monthly report which has to be in Monday. I have mine most ready now. My Boss was in just now and gave me a lot more work to do so I will have to close this.
Good By old Pal,
"God be with you till we meet again"
Keep the Bouells open.
(Sgd) Roy.
http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/mmi/jmoodie/influen2.html
In the words of Dr. Niman, we're only seeing the early stages and it is going to get much worse by the time our regular flu season rolls around.0 -
1918??
a letter from 1918?
come on
you said you have been following the virus for four years?
you must be tired0 -
I took the Kool Aid comment in the Jim Jones fashion, but I have also done a research paper on the topic, so it comes to mind quickly for me.
Living in the South, I've always known there was a deal with talking about kool aid in a racist fashion, as Songbyrd mentioned. While I didn't make that connection based on your comment Dave, someone not aware of the Jim Jones cult may have jumped to the racial comment conclusion.
And as far as this topic goes, while I appreciate the reminder to wash our hands and not sneeze directly in the mouths of others, it's just the flu. Media sensationalization is horrific. I still laugh over American fears of the Bird Flu, SARs, and MRSA. Have people died from those? Certainly, and that is not funny. But Americans (as a generalized whole worried) we will all be wiped off the face of the planet is a little extreme.
That said, I will be the next to catch the bacon flu. :indifferent:0 -
1918??
a letter from 1918?
come on
you said you have been following the virus for four years?
you must be tired
My great grandmother died in the great flu epidemic of 1919.
I thought that one was called Spanish Influenza, for some reason....0 -
Oh Dave that was bad....
LOL
Regarding everything else....
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Stay safe/healthy everyone...
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Makes jokes if you want, you won't be making jokes when things go into full swing.
I help monitor a website called planforpandemic.com
I was right about the year it's going to start taking place and I have a feeling by the time October rolls around, things will be into full swing.
This virus is following the same path of the one in 1918. First wave is in the early to late spring then will disappear during the summer then will pick up again in the fall to mid winter. That's when the bodies will begin to pile up. I'm hoping this will fizzle out but I also have to take into consideration that it may not.1918??
a letter from 1918?
come on
you said you have been following the virus for four years?
you must be tired
My great grandmother died in the great flu epidemic of 1919.
I thought that one was called Spanish Influenza, for some reason....
Spanish Flu and the other name for it is H1N1, and it killed 20 - 60 million. This is not your ordinary flu bug
The percetage kill rate is 2 - 3 % of the worlds population. How many people are on the planet? millions right? so we're talking about more than a couple of millions suddenly dropping dead from the same flu strain0 -
Makes jokes if you want, you won't be making jokes when things go into full swing.
I help monitor a website called planforpandemic.com
I was right about the year it's going to start taking place and I have a feeling by the time October rolls around, things will be into full swing.
This virus is following the same path of the one in 1918. First wave is in the early to late spring then will disappear during the summer then will pick up again in the fall to mid winter. That's when the bodies will begin to pile up. I'm hoping this will fizzle out but I also have to take into consideration that it may not.1918??
a letter from 1918?
come on
you said you have been following the virus for four years?
you must be tired
My great grandmother died in the great flu epidemic of 1919.
I thought that one was called Spanish Influenza, for some reason....
Spanish Flu and the other name for it is H1N1, and it killed 20 - 60 million. This is not your ordinary flu bug
The percetage kill rate is 2 - 3 % of the worlds population. How many people are on the planet? millions right? so we're talking about more than a couple of millions suddenly dropping dead from the same flu strain
the bodies are gonna start piling up?
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read this before you lose your mind and endanger your life and your children's lives
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx
I suspect you have likely been alarmed by the media"s coverage of the swine flu scare. It has a noticeable subplot - preparing you for draconian measures to combat a future pandemic as well as forcing you to accept the idea of mandatory vaccinations.
On April 27, Time magazine published an article which discusses how dozens died and hundreds were injured from vaccines as a result of the 1976 swine flu fiasco, when the Ford administration attempted to use the infection of soldiers at Fort Dix as a pretext for a mass vaccination of the entire country.
Despite acknowledging that the 1976 farce was an example of “how not to handle a flu outbreak”, the article still introduces the notion that officials “may soon have to consider whether to institute draconian measures to combat the disease”.
Fortunately some respectable journalists recognize this and are seeking to spread a voice of reason to the fear that is being promoted in the majority of the media
Your Fear Will Make Some People VERY Rich in Today"s Crumbling Economy
According to the Associated Press at least one financial analyst estimates up to $388 million worth of Tamiflu sales in the near future10 -- and that"s without a pandemic outbreak.
More than half a dozen pharmaceutical companies, including Gilead Sciences Inc., Roche, GlaxoSmithKline and other companies with a stake in flu treatments and detection, have seen a rise in their shares in a matter of days, and will likely see revenue boosts if the swine flu outbreak continues to spread.
As soon as Homeland Security declared a health emergency, 25 percent -- about 12 million doses -- of Tamiflu and Relenza treatment courses were released from the nation"s stockpile. However, beware that the declaration also allows unapproved tests and drugs to be administered to children. Many health- and government officials are more than willing to take that chance with your life, and the life of your child. But are you?0 -
Breaking News--
This just in-- the first photographed case of swine flu--
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Breaking News--
This just in-- the first photographed case of swine flu--
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Makes jokes if you want, you won't be making jokes when things go into full swing.
I help monitor a website called planforpandemic.com
I was right about the year it's going to start taking place and I have a feeling by the time October rolls around, things will be into full swing.
This virus is following the same path of the one in 1918. First wave is in the early to late spring then will disappear during the summer then will pick up again in the fall to mid winter. That's when the bodies will begin to pile up. I'm hoping this will fizzle out but I also have to take into consideration that it may not.1918??
a letter from 1918?
come on
you said you have been following the virus for four years?
you must be tired
My great grandmother died in the great flu epidemic of 1919.
I thought that one was called Spanish Influenza, for some reason....
Spanish Flu and the other name for it is H1N1, and it killed 20 - 60 million. This is not your ordinary flu bug
The percetage kill rate is 2 - 3 % of the worlds population. How many people are on the planet? millions right? so we're talking about more than a couple of millions suddenly dropping dead from the same flu strain
yes and even if EVERYTHING you've said is true and correct and we are all about to be wiped off the face of the earth (and by the way no matter how much research you have done on this there is no way you can KNOW anything for certain. seriously, scientists don't know anything for sure so I doubt you do), but even if you're 100% right, there is virtually NOTHING we can do about it except practice sanitary precautions that we should be practicing daily anyway, am I right? PLEASE recall the avian flu and SARs of yesteryear and tell me, wasn't the panic a bit uncalled for? YES people died. People die all the time, but they were not the pandemics that scientists predicted and the media did all they could to cause panic in the public, which is probably the stupidest thing they could have done. I personally don't want to live my life in fear- whether I have 1 day left, or 80 years left, I'm going to go about my business, and wash my hands LIKE I ALWAYS DO. Again, I'm NOT saying there;s NO cause for concern, I'm just saying nobody knows anything for certain and you can't believe everything you hear.
-ps- some of you are making it sound like aquireing the swine flu virus is a death sentence, it isn't. There've been in the neighbohood of 100 verified cases of it in the US and1 death.... yes ONE> now that 1 death is sad, but it would be just as sad if it had been a drowning or a car accident and none of us would have even heard about it then.
just my 2 cents. Nobody go deleting your account over it now.0 -
-ps- some of you are making it sound like aquireing the swine flu virus is a death sentence, it isn't. There've been in the neighbohood of 100 verified cases of it in the US and1 death.... yes ONE> now that 1 death is sad, but it would be just as sad if it had been a drowning or a car accident and none of us would have even heard about it then.
The death was in a 4 year old boy with "underlying health issues" visiting the States from Mexico.0 -
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-ps- some of you are making it sound like aquireing the swine flu virus is a death sentence, it isn't. There've been in the neighbohood of 100 verified cases of it in the US and1 death.... yes ONE> now that 1 death is sad, but it would be just as sad if it had been a drowning or a car accident and none of us would have even heard about it then.
The death was in a 4 year old boy with "underlying health issues" visiting the States from Mexico.
I read it was a 23 month old toddler ?0 -
If you want to scare the living crap out of yourself over ANYTHING....the internet is the sure-fire way to do it!! GUARANTEEEEED, there are ppl out there SO scared over this flu that they are literally in the corner of a room, with a can of disinfectant, ready to spray the crap out of anybody that comes within breathing distance. Its sad really because its no way to live.
From the mouth of the man who invented this quote, Dave........(if I may :laugh: ). "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself" 0 -
-ps- some of you are making it sound like aquireing the swine flu virus is a death sentence, it isn't. There've been in the neighbohood of 100 verified cases of it in the US and1 death.... yes ONE> now that 1 death is sad, but it would be just as sad if it had been a drowning or a car accident and none of us would have even heard about it then.
The death was in a 4 year old boy with "underlying health issues" visiting the States from Mexico.
I read it was a 23 month old toddler ?
it was an 89 year old woman with bad teeth and a nasty limp0 -
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Our school district is closed until May 8th. Overraction.
These kids are going to go hang out at the mall, each other's homes, etc.
Who wants some bacon?
Jeez.....there was a murderer flailing about in my neighborhood and schools in the 'vicinity' got shut down for a whopping 20 minutes! Why aren't they shutting down schools when kids show up with snot crusted to their cheeks? What difference does it make? Could you imagine what this 'outbreak' is doing to the minds of germaphobes? Like they don't have enough on thier plates. Good Lord.0 -
Breaking News--
This just in-- the first photographed case of swine flu--
one more round for the heck of it0 -
-ps- some of you are making it sound like aquireing the swine flu virus is a death sentence, it isn't. There've been in the neighbohood of 100 verified cases of it in the US and1 death.... yes ONE> now that 1 death is sad, but it would be just as sad if it had been a drowning or a car accident and none of us would have even heard about it then.
The death was in a 4 year old boy with "underlying health issues" visiting the States from Mexico.
I read it was a 23 month old toddler ?
Whoops! Thanks Kerri. 23 months old, 4 days of illness. My bad.
The boy, who was 23 months old, had "underlying health issues" before he flew to Matamoros, Mexico, on April 4 and crossed into Brownsville to visit relatives, state health officials said.
He developed flu symptoms four days later and was taken to a Brownsville hospital April 13 and transferred the following day to Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, where he died Monday night.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30485680/0 -
every year over 36,000 AMERICANS die for "regular" flu---I had a 29 year old health girl who was dead within 48 hours 5 years ago!!
It is still VERY hard to get people to get the flu vaccine!
We have al this panic now over the swine flue yet THOUSANDS die form flu every year!!!
WASH hands, turn off taps with paper towel--use paper towel to open doors. Use hand snitizer on hands before eating and keep your hands away from your mouth at other times. If you choose NOT to get the flu shot then PLEASE PLEASE follow through--and STAY HOME if you are sick!!!!
If you HAVE to see the doctor ask for a MASK as soon as you go to desk! and take hand snaitizer with you to use after you cough into your hands.0
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