Swine Flu

Marla64

well we wont get an answer to the racial accusation

account closed

wow

Whoa-- someone needs decaf.

Iceprincessk25

I think the kool aid remark was totally appropriate.

And I usually don't agree with Dave.

People just jump to conclusions so quickly. :grumble: :noway:

Dave198lbs

I think the kool aid remark was totally appropriate.

And I usually don't agree with Dave.

People just jump to conclusions so quickly. :grumble: :noway:

you agree with me but you dont want to admit it because there are deep secrets and I uinderstand

thirsty?

Marla64

I think the kool aid remark was totally appropriate.

And I usually don't agree with Dave.

People just jump to conclusions so quickly. :grumble: :noway:

you agree with me but you dont want to admit it because there are deep secrets and I uinderstand

thirsty?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Iceprincessk25

I think the kool aid remark was totally appropriate.

And I usually don't agree with Dave.

People just jump to conclusions so quickly. :grumble: :noway:

you agree with me but you dont want to admit it because there are deep secrets and I uinderstand

thirsty?

You and I have a love hate relationship that I just don't want to mess up that's all. :flowerforyou: :mad: :explode:

Iceprincessk25

Good Lord......Channel 7 has a Swine Flu Hotline that you can call in to.:huh:

Marla64

Good Lord......Channel 7 has a Swine Flu Hotline that you can call in to.:huh:

Unbelievable-- :noway:

Roxy34

Isn't it GOOD to make light of sticky situations? (don't touch that Dave :laugh: ). Isn't laughter the best medicine? When did that fizzle out? Death, illness, suffering..etc...is NO laughing matter, by ANY stretch of the imagination, but its not healthy to dwell on it either. Its in my nature to make ppl laugh when they are feeling down and out about something. Im opting to take this piggy bug lightly and not worry myself sick about it. I do enough of that on my own, without the media trying to scare the pants off me (don't touch that one either Dave :laugh:). I've been around long enuff to know you are the smart *kitten* of the bunch, lol. Love it!! :happy:

Anyway......my 2 cents.

michlingle

Isn't it GOOD to make light of sticky situations? (don't touch that Dave :laugh: ). Isn't laughter the best medicine? When did that fizzle out? Death, illness, suffering..etc...is NO laughing matter, by ANY stretch of the imagination, but its not healthy to dwell on it either. Its in my nature to make ppl laugh when they are feeling down and out about something. Im opting to take this piggy bug lightly and not worry myself sick about it. I do enough of that on my own, without the media trying to scare the pants off me (don't touch that one either Dave :laugh:). I've been around long enuff to know you are the smart *kitten* of the bunch, lol. Love it!! :happy:

Anyway......my 2 cents.

Halleluyer

kerrilucko

her account was deleted over this? What the heck...?! Healthy opinion sharing was all it was. I thought the koolaid quip was warranted. And I also think that those of you that are concerned have every right to be. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Deleting your account over that? seriously?:huh:

songbyrdsweet

her account was deleted over this? What the heck...?! Healthy opinion sharing was all it was. I thought the koolaid quip was warranted. And I also think that those of you that are concerned have every right to be. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Deleting your account over that? seriously?:huh:

Some people take things reallllllly seriously...makes me wonder how they get through life. If I was that mentally fragile I'd be curled up in the fetal position in a corner all the time.

Dave198lbs

I would say something but Roxy wont let me:sad:

Marla64

I would say something but Roxy wont let me:sad:

So you always do what you're told?

Good to know--

Dave198lbs

I would say something but Roxy wont let me:sad:

So you always do what you're told?

Good to know--

hush you

HealthierMamasita

rut roh

Marla64

:bigsmile:

Blossom01

I live in Mexicli the city that has been pin pointed as a treat. Two deaths have been confirmed due to the virus. However most people are still up and about as nothing is taking place. School has been canceled until May 6th but children are not all staying home. 1 out of every 100 is wearing a mask. I am one of them. Although a mask won’t protect you 100% I figure something is better then nothing. I offer our customers hand sanitizer and constantly disinfect the equipment they have used to be safer then sorry. I wish more people would cover their mouth or wash their hands after sneezing instead of spreading the Germs.

MyaPapaya75

I live in Mexicli the city that has been pin pointed as a treat. Two deaths have been confirmed due to the virus. However most people are still up and about as nothing is taking place. School has been canceled until May 6th but children are not all staying home. 1 out of every 100 is wearing a mask. I am one of them. Although a mask won’t protect you 100% I figure something is better then nothing. I offer our customers hand sanitizer and constantly disinfect the equipment they have used to be safer then sorry. I wish more people would cover their mouth or wash their hands after sneezing instead of spreading the Germs.

I hope things get better and I wish you the best......:flowerforyou: Thank you for taking the extra precautions.....your right better safe than sorry and it doesnt mean we stop living our day to day lives or that we are overeacting...its simply taking precautions and taking that extra little step that we normally wouldnt do......perhaps others will see your effort and pick up on it...Thanks

Falcon

As much as I want to agree with you I can't. I've been following this virus for the past four years and I do believe there is some reason for concern. Pigs are known to carrry the H1N1 virus. That is the reason it's called the swine flu. Pigs have simular immune systems to ours. So it's easy for the virus to transmit from pig to human then it goes human to human to human.

1918 the Spanish flu also known as the H1N1 virus killed millions of people all around the globe during the second wave. This is the same virus from 1918 it's mutated into a new strand. Make no doubt about this, this is the first wave of three. The first wave is mild. The second wave is what will cost several people their lives from the ages of 24 - 44 years old, it tricks the immune system to the point where you drown in your bodily fluids. The third wave is not as bad as the second one.

There is a serious concern that there's a chance the H1N1 will combine with the H5N1 virus which then we're all screwed as the H5N1 is a much more serious deadly virus that is better at spreading then the H1N1.


There will be no vaccine for the first four to six months, and tamiflu is not going to do any good by the time this really gets into full swing.

There is a letter that was found in 1959 dated back during the 1918 spanish flu out break.


Copy of original letter found in Detroit in 1959

Camp Devens, Mass.
Surgical Ward No 16
29 September 1918
(Base Hospital)

My dear Burt-
It is more than likely that you would be interested in the news of this place, for there is a possibility that you will be assigned here for duty, so having a minute between rounds I will try to tell you a little about the situation here as I have seen it in the last week.
As you know I have not seen much Pneumonia in the last few years in Detroit, so when I came here I was somewhat behind in the niceties of the Army way of intricate Diagnosis. Also to make it good, I have had for the last week an exacerbation of my old "Ear Rot" as Artie Ogle calls it, and could not use a Stethoscope at all, but had to get by on my ability to "spot" ' em thru my general knowledge of Pneumonias. I did well enough, and finally found an old Phonendoscope that I pieced together, and from then on was all right. You know the Army regulations require very close locations etc.

Camp Devens is near Boston, and has about 50,000 men, or did have before this epidemic broke loose. It also has the Base Hospital for the Div. of the N. East. This epidemic started about four weeks ago, and has developed so rapidly that the camp is demoralized and all ordinary work is held up till it has passed. All assembleges of soldiers taboo.
These men start with what appears to be an ordinary attack of LaGrippe or Influenza, and when brought to the Hosp. they very rapidly develop the most viscous type of Pneumonia that has ever been seen. Two hours after admission they have the Mahogany spots over the cheek bones, and a few hours later you can begin to see the Cyanosis extending from their ears and spreading all over the face, until it is hard to distinguish the coloured men from the white. It is only a matter of a few hours then until death comes, and it is simply a struggle for air until they suffocate. It is horrible. One can stand it to see one, two or twenty men die, but to see these poor devils dropping like flies sort of gets on your nerves. We have been averaging about 100 deaths per day, and still keeping it up. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a new mixed infection here, but what I dont know. My total time is taken up hunting Rales, rales dry or moist, sibilant or crepitant or any other of the hundred things that one may find in the chest, they all mean but one thing here -Pneumonia-and that means in about all cases death.

The normal number of resident Drs. here is about 25 and that has been increased to over 250, all of whom (of course excepting me) have temporary orders-"Return to your proper Station on completion of work". Mine says "Permanent Duty", but I have been in the Army just long enough to learn that it doesnt always mean what it says. So I dont know what will happen to me at the end of this.
We have lost an outrageous number of Nurses and Drs., and the little town of Ayer is a sight. It takes Special trains to carry away the dead. For several days there were no coffins and the bodies piled up something fierce, we used to go down to the morgue (which is just back of my ward) and look at the boys laid out in long rows. It beats any sight they ever had in France after a battle. An extra long barracks has been vacated for the use of the Morgue, and it would make any man sit up and take notice to walk down the long lines of dead soldiers all dressed and laid out in double rows. We have no relief here, you get up in the morning at 5 .30 and work steady till about 9.30 P.M., sleep, then go at it again. Some of the men of course have been here all the time, and they are TIRED.

If this letter seems somewhat disconnected overlook it, for I have been called away from it a dozen times the last time just now by the Officer of the Day, who came in to tell me that they have not as yet found at any of the autopsies any case beyond the Red. Hepatitis. stage. It kills them before they get that far.

I dont wish you any hard luck Old Man but I do wish you were here for a while at least. Its more comfortable when one has a friend about. The men here are all good fellows, but I get so damned sick o Pneumonia that when I go to eat I want to find some fellow who will not "Talk Shop" but there aint none nohow. We eat it live it, sleep it, and dream it, to say nothing of breathing it 16 hours a day. I would be very grateful indeed if you would drop me a line or two once in a while, and I will promise you that if you ever get into a fix like this, I will do the same for you.

Each man here gets a ward with about 150 beds, (Mine has 168) and has an Asst. Chief to boss him, and you can imagine what the paper work alone is - fierce,-- and the Govt. demands all paper work be kept up in good shape. I have only four day nurses and five night nurses (female) a ward-master, and four orderlies. So you can see that we are busy. I write this in piecemeal fashion. It may be a long time before I can get another letter to you, but will try.

This letter will give you an idea of the monthly report which has to be in Monday. I have mine most ready now. My Boss was in just now and gave me a lot more work to do so I will have to close this.

Good By old Pal,
"God be with you till we meet again"
Keep the Bouells open.
(Sgd) Roy.

http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/mmi/jmoodie/influen2.html

In the words of Dr. Niman, we're only seeing the early stages and it is going to get much worse by the time our regular flu season rolls around.

Dave198lbs

1918??

a letter from 1918?

come on

you said you have been following the virus for four years?

you must be tired