Dangers of Vegetarian & Vegan Diets Long-Term
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so if a cow goes into a coma is it ok? So its just the brain that makes the differance not the fact that its living?
And the nervous system, really. The ability to feel pain, the ability to suffer, the obvious striving for survival. I personally don't believe a coma would make a difference - it's still not a human right to take the life of another sentient being.
Indulge me.... A mosquito bites you......do you swat it? You find a tick feeding on you......pull it off knowing it will die.....or let it have its fill?0 -
How would reducing animal consumption reduce plant suffering? Wouldn't more living animals = more killing plants? And why is killing plants more decent than killing animals?
Because animals in factory farms, etc. are fed an unnatural amount of plant-based food in order to get them to a weight in a short amount of time. And as I've said, plants lack both a brain and a nervous system. Animals are capable of suffering.You do realize that the vast majority of all animals (both farm animals and wild game) that are killed for food would suffer and starve to death if we allowed them all to live, don't you?
Yes, but the world wouldn't go vegan all at once. It would be a gradual decline, as with any change in supply and demand. As the demand would decrease, so would the supply until there was no more need for it. It's not like all 7 billion people are going to change overnight.0 -
So then why cant the same be said for lions,sharks,obviously they can think and feel,but its their right because they dont talk? We lost our right once we evolved? So some of the more primitave tribes hiding deep in the rainforest do they not have the right? Or do they still have the right because they are not aware that there is another way?
Sorry its early for me so im confused on this one.
Sorry if this comes off as snarky, but I honestly have no idea what you're saying. Do you mean why do humans not have the right to take animal lives?
why is ok for the lion but not the man,because we can talk? are a little more evolved? I live in TX there are a lot of hunters here,some people the only meat they eat is meat they hunt. None of their meat comes from big slaughter houses how is that diffrent than the lion or any other predator.0 -
it is the way nature has worked for millennia that things higher up in the food chain, eat things lower down.
Not with slaughter houses, and mass waste it isn't. Living among the animals you need for food, understanding them, killing them with respect, and using every part, is a very different thing to what we do today (i.e buy pre-packaged battery farmed meat, flown in from hundreds of miles away, all nice and tidy and devoid of a "face" so kids who have never visited a farm in their life can eat without a second thought).0 -
why is ok for the lion but not the man,because we can talk?
Because man prides himself on being conscious of his actions and knowing the difference between right and wrong, and between need and want. Ever tried to stop a lion getting to its prey?0 -
it is the way nature has worked for millennia that things higher up in the food chain, eat things lower down.
Not with slaughter houses, and mass waste it isn't. Living among the animals you need for food, understanding them, killing them with respect, and using every part, is a very different thing to what we do today (i.e buy pre-packaged battery farmed meat, flown in from hundreds of miles away, all nice and tidy and devoid of a "face" so kids who have never visited a farm in their life can eat without a second thought).
so would it be ok to eat the meat then if we raised it ourselves?0 -
why is ok for the lion but not the man,because we can talk? are a little more evolved? I live in TX there are a lot of hunters here,some people the only meat they eat is meat they hunt. None of their meat comes from big slaughter houses how is that diffrent than the lion or any other predator.
The human mind is an incredible thing. The lion only knows one thing, to hunt because he cannot survive on a non-meat diet, he cannot graze, so hunting the gazelle is his only option - it has absolutely nothing to do with speech, and I'm not sure how that came up. Man, however, can not only thrive on a plant-based diet, but his mind allows him to be compassionate and empathetic, and come to reasonable conclusions. He can change his behavior based on what he sees, and can differentiate right from wrong.
Why does man think he has the corner market on right to life?0 -
How would reducing animal consumption reduce plant suffering? Wouldn't more living animals = more killing plants? And why is killing plants more decent than killing animals?
Because animals in factory farms, etc. are fed an unnatural amount of plant-based food in order to get them to a weight in a short amount of time. And as I've said, plants lack both a brain and a nervous system. Animals are capable of suffering.You do realize that the vast majority of all animals (both farm animals and wild game) that are killed for food would suffer and starve to death if we allowed them all to live, don't you?
Yes, but the world wouldn't go vegan all at once. It would be a gradual decline, as with any change in supply and demand. As the demand would decrease, so would the supply until there was no more need for it. It's not like all 7 billion people are going to change overnight.
i don't think 7 billion people will ever change their eating habits to vegan...ever....0 -
why is ok for the lion but not the man,because we can talk?
Because man prides himself on being conscious of his actions and knowing the difference between right and wrong, and between need and want. Ever tried to stop a lion getting to its prey?
Oh so since a lion cant be stoped from getting its prey its OK for it to be a predator, got it0 -
So you just read an article where scientists have discovered that plants have a nervous system, you just choose to ignore it because it doesn't agree with what you want to believe. I see.How would reducing animal consumption reduce plant suffering? Wouldn't more living animals = more killing plants? And why is killing plants more decent than killing animals?
Because animals in factory farms, etc. are fed an unnatural amount of plant-based food in order to get them to a weight in a short amount of time. And as I've said, plants lack both a brain and a nervous system. Animals are capable of suffering.You do realize that the vast majority of all animals (both farm animals and wild game) that are killed for food would suffer and starve to death if we allowed them all to live, don't you?
Yes, but the world wouldn't go vegan all at once. It would be a gradual decline, as with any change in supply and demand. As the demand would decrease, so would the supply until there was no more need for it. It's not like all 7 billion people are going to change overnight.0 -
*sigh* Here we go again.0
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So you just read an article where scientists have discovered that plants have a nervous system, you just choose to ignore it because it doesn't agree with what you want to believe. I see.
Eliminating suffering is impossible, but reducing suffering is not.0 -
meh... we've all heard these lame excuses that don't make any sense...
I HAVE A FULL CARD!!0 -
How do you know plants don't suffer more than animals? The smell of fresh cut grass is actually a distress call from being cut.0
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How do you know plants don't suffer more than animals? The smell of fresh cut grass is actually a distress call from being cut.
I don't know, and if several studies come out about how plants suffer "more" than animals, then I will have to re-evaluate my choices. However, at this point in time with the information I have available, I can see that veganism is the minimum standard of decency.0 -
How do you know plants don't suffer more than animals? The smell of fresh cut grass is actually a distress call from being cut.
Yeh the fresh grass smell is the same as the fresh blood smell from a recently cut up cow....0 -
Oh my Gosh people. Can we just stop this. How did this go from being a topic about whether or not a Vegan or Vegetarian diet can kill you to why Vegans are so-called dumb, etc?
Not everyone will have the same diet. End of story.
No one should judge vegans or vegetarians for what they eat, just like no one should judge omnivores for eating meat.0 -
The worst thing I ever did concerning my health was become a vegetarian. The soy consumption ruined my thyroid and I am now in the process of healing it through a very slow and on going process. I was very vitamin Deficient in B12 and had to take weekly shots which are no fun at all.
Most vegans and vegetarians using these "meat" products are Monsanto's dream come true. You are supporting a company buying your tofu, morning star, Boca products that are using genetically modified grains and such.
Not all tofu and soy products are Monsanto owned GMO. I eat very little soy products, but when I do, I make sure to buy only organic, non-GMO certified.
Same here, I eat VERY little soy product0 -
Yeh the fresh grass smell is the same as the fresh blood smell from a recently cut up cow....0
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How do you know plants don't suffer more than animals? The smell of fresh cut grass is actually a distress call from being cut.
But that's a nice smell, so it's okay.
I don't get why us having a consciousness takes away our right to eat meat. I simply don't. I make the conscious decision TO eat it, because it's good for you and tastes good. And at no point in our future will every human on Earth conform to Veganism. If you convinced 0.1% of the world's population to do so, I would be amazed.0 -
Vitamin A is only found in animal fat? Since when?
And you can get more D than you need from the sun. Eskimos would be lacking that because of where they live.
There are so many things wrong with that article that just basic knowledge should tell you it's BS.
I've been vegetarian for years and according to my doctor and how I feel, I'm extremely healthy.
I believe you can be healthy as a meat-eater, as well. I choose to not eat it.0 -
My friends wife was a vegetarian and they were expecting their first child. Her OB told her she needed to incorporate meat into her diet in order to get proper nutrition to allow the baby to grow. She did.0
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brendan brazier, vegan professional triathlete 
Does he ever win?
I like how we struggle to find good looking vegetarians and vegans, yet walk outside and you'll easily spot a couple hot, awesome bodies that love meat.0 -
Yeh the fresh grass smell is the same as the fresh blood smell from a recently cut up cow....
You seem to be getting quite worked up so I thought I'd lighten up the mood0 -
I like how we struggle to find good looking vegetarians and vegans, yet walk outside and you'll easily spot a couple hot, awesome bodies that love meat.
We can also walk outside and find a lot of overweight, unhealthy bodies that love meat. It goes both ways.0 -
bang.....head......on......keyboard!0
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I don't get why us having a consciousness takes away our right to eat meat. I simply don't. I make the conscious decision TO eat it, because it's good for you and tastes good. And at no point in our future will every human on Earth conform to Veganism. If you convinced 0.1% of the world's population to do so, I would be amazed.
So why can't we say the same about human meat? It's probably good for you and presumably tastes good, so what would be the issue? Again, why does man have the corner market on right to life?
And I never once said that I expect the whole world to adopt a vegan diet - it was a response to the very logical argument of "if we all go vegan, all the cows will starve!
" argument. Just because vegetarians and vegans make up a small part of the population now doesn't mean anything for the future. That's how social change happens - slowly. 0 -
...maybe we could all agree that what works for some people doesn't necessarily work for others...? No...?0
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There are plenty of cultures around the world who DO eat human meat. Just in case you didn't actually know that.0
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I like how we struggle to find good looking vegetarians and vegans, yet walk outside and you'll easily spot a couple hot, awesome bodies that love meat.
We can also walk outside and find a lot of overweight, unhealthy bodies that love meat. It goes both ways.
OH, SO THAT! And plus, I can find a good looking Vegan when I walk outside. All I have to do is look in the mirror of a car :flowerforyou:0
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