Would you date someone whose religion is different than your
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sorry my computer is being temperamental and didn't post my whole response or let me quote you, so I rewrote my message.0
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I am catholic and married a protestant. Before we even got engaged we had the talk. He was perfectly happy with the children being raised catholic, me being the stay at home mom and us having a houseful of kids. He seemed ecstatic about it.
Fast forward seven years and he has changed his mind about everything. He wants the kids raised in his parents church and has decided to have a vasectomy because he wants no more then 2 children. I am still taking the kids to catholic church even when he throws fits. Because guess what that is what he agreed upon before we got married and that's what I am doing.
If he was not a wonderful father and good provider in all other aspects we would be divorced by now.0 -
I think it's an interesting debate... I am not very religious, but I've always held a belief in God. However, I am also not ashamed nor afraid to question said God's existence. Why should I follow blindly something I was brainwashed to believe in as a kid when I have an adult mind (and a highly analytical, math and science based one at that). Look... just LOOK at how many people KILL in the name of religion!!! It sure as hell makes me want to head the other direction...
I think everyone has the right to believe what they believe...
Yes... I absolutely would date someone with different beliefs... I see no reason to hold one's beliefs against them. It does make things a LOT more difficult once you bring children into the mix, though. That's a tough decision you made... but ultimately you and only you know what is a deal breaker for you. I wish you the best!
I couldn't agree with this more.0 -
Old Testament Deuteronomy 13:6-13:10
According to the Bible, you should "kill" non-believers, so why don't you do that?I am Catholic and my boyfriend is Atheist. I have no plans on letting him go because his belief isn't who he is or how he defines himself, and the same with me. I believe in raising children to make their own educated choices about religion rather than forcing one on them when they are too young to make a choice!
The first guy I dated was a Catholic. He was not overly religious, but he went to church every week because if he didn't he was going to hell. It was difficult for me to date him. I knew in my heart that I shouldn't be with someone who didn't have the same beliefs that I did, but I thought I could convert him.
I am a born-again believer, have been since I was 7 years old. It most definitely Defines me. I do NOT have a religion, I have a very deep personal relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Without HIM, I am nothing. HE Defines ME.
My husband is also a born-again believer. Christ defines him as well. We would not be married if that were not the case.
The Bible is VERY clear on this subject. If you are in fact a Christian, you are NOT to be unequally yoked with an unbeliever.
???!?!!?I thought you were an atheist, meaning you're not supposed to care about religion, how do you know these "things" said in the Bible? Which Bible!!!??!!?
Just because we are atheists doesn't mean we have never read the bible, as a matter of fact, in many cases it is our having read the bible that MADE us atheists.0 -
My last relationship ended because he is Agnostic and I am a Christian. We finally had the "religion talk" and he said he wouldn't allow his children to go to church. That was a big deal to me, considering I grew up going to church 2x/week. I told him I couldn't raise children without bringing them to church, so we broke up.
Now that we have been apart for several months, I have been actually excited to meet someone with the same beliefs as me, because I have never made religion a priority in my dating life before.
Well..now my ex has changed his tune a little, and says he'd allow his children to go to church. He misses me, still loves me, etc, etc, and wants to get back together. Great! But is he going to ignore everything relating to God except the going to church part? For example, if I am having a conversation about God to my kids, is he just going to leave the room? I really don't see how I can keep God in my life AND my ex at the same time.
How important do you think it is to date someone who has the same religious beliefs as you? I want your opinions, please!
When my husband and I met he was Christian and I was not religious.His beliefs and my lack of beliefs were never an issue for us. I'd go to church with him occasionally, but he definitely felt that he wanted our kids to come to religion on their own. He was pretty adamant that he didn't want them growing up in church. He didn't want them "brainwashed". He recently decided that he doesn't actually believe in Christianity for complex reasons.
Ultimately, it depends on you. What other people do and what they are comfortable with doesn't matter. If religion is important to you, if you intend to raise your children in church with the same beliefs as you then finding someone who feels the way you do is probably going to be a major foundation of your relationship with another person. For me, being with someone who believed in something I didn't wasn't a big deal, mainly because it wasn't something he wanted to force on our kids.0 -
Also, the idea that one cannot having a logical/scientific mind and be religious is utter rubbish.
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I'm a Catholic with a master's degree (working towards a PhD) in Biology (gasp, evolutionary science!)0 -
hence the / belief.* I am intelligent, do not assume otherwise. You just pointed out a flaw in my post in which did not exist, seems childish and ignorant. I will not reply to you furthermore, you can argue with yourself if you would like, just don't insult me with an inaccurate insult. I have a lot of flaws if you want to insult me with one of them, feel free.0
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Also, the idea that one cannot having a logical/scientific mind and be religious is utter rubbish.
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I'm a Catholic with a master's degree (working towards a PhD) in Biology (gasp, evolutionary science!)
You're the minority0 -
I'm also Catholic and I studied Neurobiology and Physiology in college with a concentration as well in evolutionary science! 0 -
Also, the idea that one cannot having a logical/scientific mind and be religious is utter rubbish.
It's very PC to think this way. And I'd have said the same at some point in my life. But, I think dichotomy is a great word to describe what I'm going for here. There's a dichotomy between religion and logical thought. I am not saying one cannot use logic within a set of religious beliefs, sure you can.
There are accepted arguments for & against the existence of God within the philosophy of religion. My opinion on this is arrived at AFTER having studied them all. And it is my own opinion. And I happen to think it's the best 0 -
I'm a Catholic with a master's degree (working towards a PhD) in Biology (gasp, evolutionary science!)
Surely you mean the minority of the Catholics YOU know. She's not the minority in my world of Catholics.You're the minority0 -
Also, the idea that one cannot having a logical/scientific mind and be religious is utter rubbish.
definitely
I'm a Catholic with a master's degree (working towards a PhD) in Biology (gasp, evolutionary science!)
You're the minority
Um ... no.0 -
Then why do so many Christians get up in arms when people want to remove the Ten Commandments from courthouses?
I don't know, I'm not one of them. Yes, this country was founded by religious men and founded on Christian principles, but if the government wants to remove those parts of history from their buildings, let them. It won't affect me or my beliefs.
The reason why Christians get upset if the 10 Commandments are removed is because our country was founded upon Judea-Christian beliefs. Our founding fathers wanted us to have freedom of religion and not freedom from religion.
So, just having the 10 Commandments in courtrooms should not offensive, it is part of our history. If I went to a Muslim country and they had Muslim law on their walls, I would not be offended.
For everyone that says that Christians are not tolerant, I agree, there are very intolerant Christians. Just as there are intolerant Atheists. Atheists often attack Christians by saying, "I read the whole Bible" Or, "I believe in Science", "if you were able to think clearly you would see that there is no God." "I am highly intelligent and only idiots believe in God."
And guess what, those words are very offensive. I have no problem with a person not believing in Jesus or God. That is truly your choice. I may disagree with you on this issue, but this does not make me stupid or you stupid.
If I went to India and they had a Buddha on their government property, I would not be offended, India is a Buddhist country...I accept their beliefs. As a Christian, I am just saying accept our beliefs and do not get offended it you see a cross or a picture of baby Jesus. The US is a "Christian" nation. Now, if the government starts forcing people to believe in God and accept Jesus or they will be persecuted, then that is wrong and I would fight tooth and nail against that. Just like the Westboro Baptist Church...they are vile people and if they ever protested a funeral here, I would stand in front of them to protect the family of the fallen soldier.0 -
Being a Christian I think it is very important that you believe the same way. The bible does talk about you needing to be evenly yolk with the person you are with. This is my opinion ofcourse everyone has their own.
^This, as well as the fact that if you are a beleiver, the Bible is clear that the man is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the household. To date and then marry someone who doesn't have the same spiritual convictions as you do would be wrong.
As his wife, you would have to be under his guidance and what happens if he tells you on Sunday morning, "Hey honey, you and the kids aren't going to church today, I've decided we are all going to do..... ".
Chances are he's told you he's had a change of heart because he misses you. Do not be guiled by his words, but watch his actions. How does he react when you say you cant get together with him because you are going to Bible study or something else church related?0 -
Then why do so many Christians get up in arms when people want to remove the Ten Commandments from courthouses?
I don't know, I'm not one of them. Yes, this country was founded by religious men and founded on Christian principles, but if the government wants to remove those parts of history from their buildings, let them. It won't affect me or my beliefs.
The reason why Christians get upset if the 10 Commandments are removed is because our country was founded upon Judea-Christian beliefs. Our founding fathers wanted us to have freedom of religion and not freedom from religion.
So, just having the 10 Commandments in courtrooms should not offensive, it is part of our history. If I went to a Muslim country and they had Muslim law on their walls, I would not be offended.
I don't care either way. But we're being told in this thread BY CHRISTIANS that the Old Testament is meaningless. So that means the Ten Commandments are no longer relevant.0 -
Also, the idea that one cannot having a logical/scientific mind and be religious is utter rubbish.
definitely
I'm a Catholic with a master's degree (working towards a PhD) in Biology (gasp, evolutionary science!)
You're the minority
Definitely true, but I've found its not as small a minority as I had originally thought. Just something that tends to not come up at work/school so it never really occurred to me to question it, but im always pleasantly surprised when religion does come up0 -
Then why do so many Christians get up in arms when people want to remove the Ten Commandments from courthouses?
I don't know, I'm not one of them. Yes, this country was founded by religious men and founded on Christian principles, but if the government wants to remove those parts of history from their buildings, let them. It won't affect me or my beliefs.
The reason why Christians get upset if the 10 Commandments are removed is because our country was founded upon Judea-Christian beliefs. Our founding fathers wanted us to have freedom of religion and not freedom from religion.
So, just having the 10 Commandments in courtrooms should not offensive, it is part of our history. If I went to a Muslim country and they had Muslim law on their walls, I would not be offended.
For everyone that says that Christians are not tolerant, I agree, there are very intolerant Christians. Just as there are intolerant Atheists. Atheists often attack Christians by saying, "I read the whole Bible" Or, "I believe in Science", "if you were able to think clearly you would see that there is no God." "I am highly intelligent and only idiots believe in God."
And guess what, those words are very offensive. I have no problem with a person not believing in Jesus or God. That is truly your choice. I may disagree with you on this issue, but this does not make me stupid or you stupid.
If I went to India and they had a Buddha on their government property, I would not be offended, India is a Buddhist country...I accept their beliefs. As a Christian, I am just saying accept our beliefs and do not get offended it you see a cross or a picture of baby Jesus. The US is a "Christian" nation. Now, if the government starts forcing people to believe in God and accept Jesus or they will be persecuted, then that is wrong and I would fight tooth and nail against that. Just like the Westboro Baptist Church...they are vile people and if they ever protested a funeral here, I would stand in front of them to protect the family of the fallen soldier.
Very well said.0 -
all of those countries are lacking one thing that the united states has, though. the establishment clause. by having only the 10 commandments or a cross or a nativity seen or what have you on government property, they are putting christianity over every single other religion practiced in the united states.Then why do so many Christians get up in arms when people want to remove the Ten Commandments from courthouses?
I don't know, I'm not one of them. Yes, this country was founded by religious men and founded on Christian principles, but if the government wants to remove those parts of history from their buildings, let them. It won't affect me or my beliefs.
The reason why Christians get upset if the 10 Commandments are removed is because our country was founded upon Judea-Christian beliefs. Our founding fathers wanted us to have freedom of religion and not freedom from religion.
So, just having the 10 Commandments in courtrooms should not offensive, it is part of our history. If I went to a Muslim country and they had Muslim law on their walls, I would not be offended.
For everyone that says that Christians are not tolerant, I agree, there are very intolerant Christians. Just as there are intolerant Atheists. Atheists often attack Christians by saying, "I read the whole Bible" Or, "I believe in Science", "if you were able to think clearly you would see that there is no God." "I am highly intelligent and only idiots believe in God."
And guess what, those words are very offensive. I have no problem with a person not believing in Jesus or God. That is truly your choice. I may disagree with you on this issue, but this does not make me stupid or you stupid.
If I went to India and they had a Buddha on their government property, I would not be offended, India is a Buddhist country...I accept their beliefs. As a Christian, I am just saying accept our beliefs and do not get offended it you see a cross or a picture of baby Jesus. The US is a "Christian" nation. Now, if the government starts forcing people to believe in God and accept Jesus or they will be persecuted, then that is wrong and I would fight tooth and nail against that. Just like the Westboro Baptist Church...they are vile people and if they ever protested a funeral here, I would stand in front of them to protect the family of the fallen soldier.
if they're going to have christian elements, they need to have elements for every other religion, too.
the establishment clause also bans a national religion, so no, we are not a christian country anymore than we are a pastafarian country.0 -
Athesists makes me sad.:frown: I feel bad that they do notblive in Jesus Christ. You all should rent or find the DVD series th Turth project and tat might open your eyes. Hell isscary adni woul dno want to face it. Will be praying for ALL athesists tonight0
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The very idea of eliminating countless potential partners that could make you deliriously happy on this basis just seems foolish to me.0
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No fair, when so often Christians will start spouting "Old Testament" judgment as political dogma, i.e., "an eye for an eye" or whatever anti-gay or even anti-Onanism bit they've committed to memory. Often, Christians themselves spout "Mosaic Law" and defend it as an integral part of their faith. It's not surprising folks can't keep it straight when the believers themselves are often of two minds on the matter.
Nobody is perfect, and yes, there are Christians in the world who only take a redemptive view of Christianity when dealing with other Christians. But I don't know a single Christian who doesn't know the difference between the Old and New Testaments.
Mosaic Law IS an integral part of the Christian faith. The very purpose for Christ's sacrifice was to free us from it. How can you even believe in Christ if you don't acknowledge the reason for his life and death? That's why the Old Testament is still included in the Bible. But just because there was a new covenant doesn't mean everything in the Old Testament ceases to matter. You'll find that many Old Testament precepts are referenced in the New Testament. For instance, there are "anti-gay bits" in the New Testament. Read 1 Corinthians. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus himself refers to marriage as being between a man and a woman. The point of the new covenant and doing away with killing people for this sin or that one was not tolerance of sin but the idea that through faith in Christ, we can repent, we can seek and receive forgiveness, and we can achieve redemption.0 -
Also, the idea that one cannot having a logical/scientific mind and be religious is utter rubbish.
definitely
I'm a Catholic with a master's degree (working towards a PhD) in Biology (gasp, evolutionary science!)
You're the minority
Definitely true, but I've found its not as small a minority as I had originally thought. Just something that tends to not come up at work/school so it never really occurred to me to question it, but im always pleasantly surprised when religion does come up
Completely true. I went to a public college and the VAST majority of the persons in my degree program had religious beliefs. They were not all Catholics, to be sure, but stood firm in their religion as well as in their intellectual and scientific pursuits.0 -
It's more important to me that they share the same moral values/beliefs and not so much beliefs about "God" if that makes sense... the more important things are that you're (scuse the pun) singing off the same hymn sheet when it comes to your moral consciences. For example share the same beliefs on what is wrong/right/good/bad etc from a human point of view and not strictly a divine point of view. If I was with someone that didn't mind what I believed in, and didn't mock me for it, but at the root of everything, had the same moral beliefs/values then that would be fine. Church isn't everything and certainly doesn't prove a belief set of yours or define it. If you have to show others in that way then you're probably not thinking about the religion as it was intended...0
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I'm Christian and my husband is Mormon. We had this conversation early on in our relationship. Faith is very important to both of us. We have decided to raise our kids the way we were raised - reading the bible, saying their prayers and loving the Lord. We don't go to church but we have talked about joining in a Mormon service every no and then so the kids can learn about their daddy's faith. We have also considered joining a non-denominational church. We don't want to force any one belief on our kids. We both grew up finding our own religious path and that's what we want for our boys. It's all about understanding and compromise.0
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Definitely true, but I've found its not as small a minority as I had originally thought. Just something that tends to not come up at work/school so it never really occurred to me to question it, but im always pleasantly surprised when religion does come up
I'm glad that you see my point. Now a days, it is becoming more and more common, but before then it was unheard of. Good for you for "breaking the mold"0 -
No fair, when so often Christians will start spouting "Old Testament" judgment as political dogma, i.e., "an eye for an eye" or whatever anti-gay or even anti-Onanism bit they've committed to memory. Often, Christians themselves spout "Mosaic Law" and defend it as an integral part of their faith. It's not surprising folks can't keep it straight when the believers themselves are often of two minds on the matter.
You realize there are around 38000 registered 'Christian' religions around the world. Not all Christians believe the exact same things, and some of these 'Christian' religions can also be regarded as non-Christian in their beliefs. Please, don't group me in the group of when Christians start spouting. Some of us are much more tolerant than others. Just like with any other belief system or political system, etc.
Please note that I repeatedly used the word "often" just to make sure that no one said, "Hey, don't generalize!"
It was intentional :-)0 -
Then why do so many Christians get up in arms when people want to remove the Ten Commandments from courthouses?
I don't know, I'm not one of them. Yes, this country was founded by religious men and founded on Christian principles, but if the government wants to remove those parts of history from their buildings, let them. It won't affect me or my beliefs.
The reason why Christians get upset if the 10 Commandments are removed is because our country was founded upon Judea-Christian beliefs. Our founding fathers wanted us to have freedom of religion and not freedom from religion.
So, just having the 10 Commandments in courtrooms should not offensive, it is part of our history. If I went to a Muslim country and they had Muslim law on their walls, I would not be offended.
For everyone that says that Christians are not tolerant, I agree, there are very intolerant Christians. Just as there are intolerant Atheists. Atheists often attack Christians by saying, "I read the whole Bible" Or, "I believe in Science", "if you were able to think clearly you would see that there is no God." "I am highly intelligent and only idiots believe in God."
And guess what, those words are very offensive. I have no problem with a person not believing in Jesus or God. That is truly your choice. I may disagree with you on this issue, but this does not make me stupid or you stupid.
If I went to India and they had a Buddha on their government property, I would not be offended, India is a Buddhist country...I accept their beliefs. As a Christian, I am just saying accept our beliefs and do not get offended it you see a cross or a picture of baby Jesus. The US is a "Christian" nation. Now, if the government starts forcing people to believe in God and accept Jesus or they will be persecuted, then that is wrong and I would fight tooth and nail against that. Just like the Westboro Baptist Church...they are vile people and if they ever protested a funeral here, I would stand in front of them to protect the family of the fallen soldier.
Very well said.
Not well said. Didn't answer my question at all.
If the Old Testament is irrelevant, then so are the Ten Commandments. So what's the big deal if they're removed from the courtroom?0 -
Athesists makes me sad.:frown: I feel bad that they do notblive in Jesus Christ. You all should rent or find the DVD series th Turth project and tat might open your eyes. Hell isscary adni woul dno want to face it. Will be praying for ALL athesists tonight
People that are atheists are usually atheists because of the extensive research done on religion.0 -
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Then why do so many Christians get up in arms when people want to remove the Ten Commandments from courthouses?
I don't know, I'm not one of them. Yes, this country was founded by religious men and founded on Christian principles, but if the government wants to remove those parts of history from their buildings, let them. It won't affect me or my beliefs.
The reason why Christians get upset if the 10 Commandments are removed is because our country was founded upon Judea-Christian beliefs. Our founding fathers wanted us to have freedom of religion and not freedom from religion.
So, just having the 10 Commandments in courtrooms should not offensive, it is part of our history. If I went to a Muslim country and they had Muslim law on their walls, I would not be offended.
I don't care either way. But we're being told in this thread BY CHRISTIANS that the Old Testament is meaningless. So that means the Ten Commandments are no longer relevant.
The Old Testament is not meaningless, however the covenant between man and God was changed with the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ. Whereas, in the OT, before Jesus, there were specific punishments stated for sins, and various sacrifices that had to be made to attone for sin. Jesus, however changed that, in that he took the punishment for the sins of the world, and was a living sacrifice for those who chose to believe in him and accept the gift of his sacrifice. The core teachings remain the same...the rules and values set forth by the Ten Commandments are still relevant.0
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