Steroids and Dating and Attraction

d2footballJRC

So if I still have to put in all that I'm doing now, what's the steroid do?

Makes you recover faster.
Makes you stronger.
Takes you beyond your genetic potential.

You still have to put the work into it, but they can allow you to go to the next level that might not have been attainable naturally.

The recovery time on gear has been one of the best parts.

d2footballJRC

If they used prescriptive steroids, yes. If they abused steroids, probably not, because they cause SO many health problems. It's not even a respect thing, but more of a...you have an enlarged heart/liver, shrunken testicles, propensity for early heart attack, etc.

#1. If it's non-meythlated you aren't going to hurt the liver. The damage would be so little if any. Heavy ones like Super-Drol can put a strain on the liver, that is what the support supplements are for.
#2. The testicles come back after PCT. That is why after a run you go the time of the run + PCT before you go back on PH or AAS.
#3. Heart is possible but a very very rare side effect if you are dosing properly.
#4. It's not for everyone, and there are too many people that just dose and don't research and properly use them.

Now here is another key point that people don't really realize.

Pinning Injectable Steroids are even less harmful on your body than the orals and PH. Much easier on your liver as well.

d2footballJRC

Only difference is that one is less likely to give you gynocomastia.

Run an AI and then if you have issues have a SERM like Nolva or Clomid on hand. Part of being prepared via your PCT.

Nopedotjpeg

Let's just clear one thing up. When people talk about abusing and overuse, that means the person is not using the proper dosage or cycling. So stop arguing that point.

d2footballJRC

Anybody who is in the steroid/AAS/PH talk in here that hasn't seen Bigger, Stronger, Faster needs to. Amazing documentary that covers a lot of the myths and issues.. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1151309/

d2footballJRC

Let's just clear one thing up. When people talk about abusing and overuse, that means they are not using the proper dosage or cycling. So stop arguing that point.

Correct. If someone is doing a 60/80/80/80/80/80/80/80 cycle of SuperDrol and then cries when their liver is shot, they abused the PH and basically OD'd on it. That isn't the drugs fault as much as the user who took too much.. If you pounded down tons of Valium daily you are going to have bad sides and maybe death as well.

ninerbuff

Storytime.

My fiance and I met in a video game and started talking, talking more, flirting, and eventually calling each other, then of course it was on to the pics. He was buff. He worked out twice a day and appeared healthy and happy. I wasn't into working out at all, but he really did look great, and so I didn't at all mind his being busy for up to four hours a day at the gym... it was just his thing. I had my own things.

About a month after things got serious he, with no provocation (as I had no idea), came out and said "I need you to know that I'm taking steroids. I don't want you to not feel the same way about me because of it." Did that change the way I felt about him? Absolutely not - I'd fallen head over heels and wasn't getting up. Was I surprised? Yes. Granted he did look buff and did spend lots of time at the gym and did have a competitive streak to him, so the pieces fell into place pretty easily after the initial surprise wore off; it made sense. I did not condone it. I got worried. I didn't know anything about them aside from what I had heard about from sports, so being a good little bookworm I did some research in medical and biochemical journals. I found a lot of information and shared it all with him so I could have a conversation with him about it. He loved that I was concerned, but didn't quit... not for some time. The articles were inconclusive about the resultant harm that could come from use, but they also spoke loudly and clearly about dependency issues; steroids themselves aren't necessarily addictive, but they do build up in the system so that in order to get the same effect as you did initially, you have to use more. Users (including my fiance) talked about "cyclical" use: one cycle "on" and one "off" to reduce that buildup effect. He was sure he wasn't doing himself harm no matter what I made him read. I was concerned. I wanted him to stop, but knew what would happen when he did.

He did stop - but not out of concern for his health; instead, he stopped because he couldn't afford it any longer after losing his job. He became very, very moody. He gained weight. He got depressed and let it affect everything in his life, even our relationship, for a time. Then we moved in together, he found a job, and he cheered up a bit.

He's still not the carefree happy-go-lucky person he was, partially because he feels like without the steroids he doesn't have motivation to work out... and working out makes him feel better about himself. Part of my journey on MFP is to prove to myself AND him that drugs are unnecessary when it comes to feeling better about yourself! He's starting to see it, which is awesome, and his life is generally becoming sunnier... I'm seeing hints of the Real Him beginning to shine through again and it makes us both so much happier.

The point is: steroids take a LONG time to get over.

And to answer the OP's questions,
1. Yes, I would obviously date/marry a guy who used steroids. I would also and did encourage him to stop.
2. Yes, of course I respect him. He respects me, and I've made a lot of bad choices in my past.
3. Morally not a dealbreaker. My morals revolve around doing good and seeing people benefit from good. I don't think drugs factor into that because people don't take drugs to be "bad." Dealing is another issue, but he's never done that and wouldn't.
4. Steroids ARE safer than prescription pill popping. When I was depressed I'd take way more painkillers than I needed. Never again... it nearly killed me. Steroids don't kill. They just depress when removed after extended periods of use.


...and as a related aside, I'm still terribly attracted to my fiance even though he's not as "buff" as he was when we met.

CLARIFICATION: he was doing the injections, not pills. I love him still and I loved him then.

Thanks for sharing. And looking buff without steroids is possible. It still take hard work and dedication. I'm buff the way I am because of that dedication. If you want it bad enough, you'll do what it takes to achieve it. Tell him to keep his chin up.

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MrLeeParker

Ok, let me present a question.

Many of you have said you would date a guy who has used steroids in the past but doesn't any more. So, what if you were dating a guy who hasn't used in years but says he does not regret it and would do it again if he had to go back?

Just curious.

moya_rargh

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Never taken them, but last resort to look attractive for once beckons..

purplishblue

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Never taken them, but last resort to look attractive for once beckons..

If you feel you need steroids to be "attractive for once", it's not lack of muscles that is the problem, it's lack of self esteem. I highly suggest working on that, rather than sticking yourself with needles hoping girls like muscles.

Personally, I don't even like muscles. Steroids would be a turn off. Plus knowing the person would have roid rage, mood swings, etc,

ingraha

I would never date a man who uses or has used steroids( of course that doent count prednisone for poison ivy or lung condition). Muscles never attracted me. A man who is so centered on his appearance that he would endanger his health is not someone I would have ever been interested in. A man who is capable of love will be caring of his partner which also means he would be careful of himself.

_SABOTEUR_

The people that take steroids still workout incredibly hard (much harder than I do) so I don't see it as the easy option/route or cheating.

As long as the person was honest about it and wasn't competiting in competitions where steroid use is banned or using it to the point of damaging their health I don't think it would stop me from dating them.

But, I guess it also depends on why they were using it in the first place.

moya_rargh

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Never taken them, but last resort to look attractive for once beckons..

If you feel you need steroids to be "attractive for once", it's not lack of muscles that is the problem, it's lack of self esteem. I highly suggest working on that, rather than sticking yourself with needles hoping girls like muscles.

Personally, I don't even like muscles. Steroids would be a turn off. Plus knowing the person would have roid rage, mood swings, etc,

But self-esteem is hard to come by in the face of negative feedback and repeated rejection based on appearance, no?

Mr_Knight

Never taken them, but last resort to look attractive for once beckons..

Steroids don't make men's bodies "attractive".

ElliottTN

I'd take them if they were legal, I knew for sure the long term affects and they were administered to me by someone who knew exactly what they were doing (doc not some guy in the gym locker room)

It's not much different than some males in their older age going through hormone treatment.

I don't really consider it "cheating" unless you are involved in a specific sport were it is regulated. I think all athletes should be on the same playing field in that aspect. As for cheating just to build your body up, nah. What are you cheating at then? If I would have to consider that cheating then is have to consider everyone who takes any kind of supplement cheating.

I don't loose respect for guys who choose to take as long as they are honest about it. They still have to out in the hard work, its not like you can take it and just sit on the couch all day and boom. If someone who flat out denies they are on gear and obviously is then that's a different story.

I think its kind of funny when people talk about losing respect or wouldn't date as so on and so on as most these people are te same ones who load up things like insanity and 30 day shred crap as not realize that most of the fitness models in these things are on steroids. They think steroids = big but they fail to realize there are a whole array of different kinds and a huge amount of market in it is gear that is a cutting agent that doesn't makes you big but assist and cutting away the fat.

Also the amount of myths about them is insane and usually spread way too much. It just shows a good deal of ignorance. Most of the things you can buy are a whole lot less harmful to your body than the medical tv infomercials asking you to contact your doctor.

As for me, I'd never risk my job for legality reasons as most of this stuff is a felony if you did get busted. I also need to be around for my son for a long while so I'd never self medicate anything.

DMZ_1

For men, I would not recommend taking steroids to attract women. Steroids can do much more harm in potential for attractiveness than good. They can impact sexual performance, create bacne, mood swings. An increase in muscle mass isn't worth it.

If you want bigger muscles, lift weights. There is no substitute for a good lifting regimen.

seltzermint555

In high school I dated a guy who used steroids to bulk up for football (at the suggestion of his coach...this was early 90s and he was being groomed for college draft). Not gonna lie...his body looked pretty good to me, but after he stopped using steroids he lost some weight and had terrible red stretch marks all over his arms and legs. It wasn't a good sight. If we had continued on in our relationship for the long term that would not have been of concern to me but I would have had serious worries if he had stayed on steroids long term. JMHO.

moya_rargh

All so confusing. Everybody says "don't do them" but I need to get a man's body so that women will look at me like one.

hotlipsliz

I probably would not be attracted to a man who uses steroids for the simple reason that he would not be my type physically; I'm not a fan of muscles. For example, my man is tall and skinny fat but very handsome and I'm very attracted to him on a physical level. To be perfectly honest, if I'm going to date somebody I'm looking at the entire package and not just wrapping paper because there are certain traits that will be dealbreakers regardless of how good a man happens to look.

moya_rargh

I probably would not be attracted to a man who uses steroids for the simple reason that he would not be my type physically; I'm not a fan of muscles. For example, my man is tall and skinny fat but very handsome and I'm very attracted to him on a physical level. To be perfectly honest, if I'm going to date somebody I'm looking at the entire package and not just wrapping paper because there are certain traits that will be dealbreakers regardless of how good a man happens to look.

What about being 5ft 8? That's deemed WAY too short for dating these days. Won't more muscle make a short guy look more like a man, not a boy?

HelloDan

WOW, what a necrobump!

I find these topics fascinating, for multiple reasons.

1) The I wouldn't date\marry a steroid user crew - Yet the same people will be drooling over movie\pop\sport stars who are all taking steroids like they're going out of fashion. Not to mention, apart from an obvious abuser, or an elite BB'er, how would you know? Loads of people who look nothing special use gear. Would you always carry a cup for every potential date to pee in?

2) The it's cheating\illegal crowd. Legality, depends where you are, certainly not illegal where I am from, but if it is where you are, this makes sense, although is doesn't stop a majority of people from driving their car too fast, or taking recreational drugs!

As for cheating, that's an incredibly arbitary measure, just because someone or organising body decided so. Is creatine cheating? Is caffeine cheating? I'm not talking about pro sport here, where you agree to follow the rules (even if you then don't), but average guys and girls going to the gym.
Even more fascinating, if you're from somewhere like the US with a very unregulated supplement industry, what if someone is gobbling down PHs without realising, because they bought them from a supplement shop, and they're the typical lazy do-no-research-on-what-you-consume person? What if someone is hammering amphetamines, because they thought they were taking a legit pre-workout?
Where do we draw the line at unfair? I think it's unfair that the sperm and ovum that produced Usain Bolt had better genes for running fast than the ones that made me. I thought it was supposed to be a level playing field here, yet he was given an advantage before he was even born!
On the topic of cheating, how about female athletes who take the pill? Surely this outrageous and blatant cheating should be stamped out, and made illegal?

3) The drugs are dangerous group - Possibly, but we need more research on this. Then again Ibuprofen is also dangerous, but we still all gulp that down when we're in pain. In fact moving off pharmaceuticals, what about people who regularly punish their livers with beer, wine and\or spirits? This is also dangerous, but is both legal and quite widely tolerated.

Although some of it was tongue in cheek, I hope my points above have provoked some thought. I'm not massively pro steroids, but I'm certainly not anti them, I think people need to research, look at the wider environment and make their own minds up, rather than just do as told, or follow the popular opinion.

dbmata

I'd use them just to help increase my aggressiveness.

Hendrix7

I wouldn't.

My boyfriend took creatine for awhile and it made him act really touchy and angry. I couldn't handle that so I can only imagine how awful steroids would be on behavior.

daniellabella986

I'd rather the guy just be healthy and muscular - there's no point in steroids when it's attainable with enough hard work. Unless the guy really was Christian Bale, then I legit wouldn't care lol.

purplishblue

All so confusing. Everybody says "don't do them" but I need to get a man's body so that women will look at me like one.

Again- this is not about muscles, it's clear you have low self esteem. Try working on coming across as more confident, girls LOVE confidence in a man! It's true. Being friendly, confident, and not shy and awkward will really make a huge difference. My current boyfriend doesn't have muscles and I really do not care whatsoever. Funny and charming beats out big muscles any day of the week. Also, if you're just going after girls who would be into big muscly guys and nothing else, you gotta ask yourself- why are you into shallow girls?? Try looking for someone with substance, who cares more about your personality than your looks.

hesn92

no i wouldn't. I don't see the point in using them, I think it's vain and stupid. I personally don't really care that much whether a man has big muscles or not. I like for my man to be strong, but not necessarily big.

moya_rargh

All so confusing. Everybody says "don't do them" but I need to get a man's body so that women will look at me like one.

Again- this is not about muscles, it's clear you have low self esteem. Try working on coming across as more confident, girls LOVE confidence in a man! It's true. Being friendly, confident, and not shy and awkward will really make a huge difference. My current boyfriend doesn't have muscles and I really do not care whatsoever. Funny and charming beats out big muscles any day of the week. Also, if you're just going after girls who would be into big muscly guys and nothing else, you gotta ask yourself- why are you into shallow girls?? Try looking for someone with substance, who cares more about your personality than your looks.

"Just be confident." It's amazing how people think you just flick a switch and there it is. How and where do I get confidence from when:

1. I have an ugly face.
2. I am short.
3. I am skinny.
4. I am old.
5. I have no money left after having to fight through court for years to see my child who my ex stopped me from seeing for no other reason than wanting to play happy families with a new guy.
6. Notwithstanding the above, I seem to have a gene that makes women look at me and instantly think: "Ewwwww! He's disgusting, I'm not even going to treat him with base level courtesy." I can't explain it. I feel utterly ashamed of myself for being so repulsive as to elicit that response. The last woman I was attracted to tried to get me fired for it (I didn't even ask her out, there was nothing inappropriate involved) and has smeared my name in the office amongst the women there. I cry every night after coming home, I hate it so much. I feel so grubby.

Read my profile synopsis. That's how I feel about myself through years of being made to feel like a leper for being a 'skinny little boy.' If I looked like a man, I would be treated differently. I don't go for shallow women, they just hate me for being repulsive. I hate myself so much for it.

So yeah, confidence in the face of a world telling me that I'm too s*** to be a part of it. Where do I buy it again?

trojan_bb

I'd rather the guy just be healthy and muscular - there's no point in steroids when it's attainable with enough hard work. Unless the guy really was Christian Bale, then I legit wouldn't care lol.

The point of anabolic steroids is to acheive a level of strength, muscularity, or power that is NOT attainable through natural efforts.

edwardkim85

YES I KNOW TONS OF PEOPEL THAT USE STEROIDS.

a lot of my friends/acquatinances have gone on to use steroids.. some admit it verbally, some will never admit it but it's quite obvious to any gym goer.

If one person does it and excels and gets a big signing deal/bonus, the next athlete will be pressured to do so as well. It's a vicious cycle.

As for regular people, I know a lot of guys that go to clubs that do steroids to stay ripped... for girls.

They only seem to attract certain types of.... woman... that have fake boobs/club / party intensely.

IQ = 0.

pariskathryn

this was an interestin' read! and old! but i wanna add my two cents anyway because i'm mildly annoyed that several dudes said 'women who wouldn't date a guy who uses steroids are the same ones who would throw themselves at celebrities'

yeah maybe some, but there's a lot more than the body there and y'all know it.

having said that, it is unlikely i would ever date a guy who does steroids in large part because of the side effects. it wouldn't be a deal breaker, but i do think it would cause too much anxiety for me and i'd end up nagging him about it a lot and it wouldn't be good for either of us! but also because big muscles are NOT my type by any means. for reference, the only celebrities i'd throw myself at are Phillip Seymour Hoffman or Colin Firth. John Corbett is about the most muscly I'd go. No thanks on Christian Bale, physically I am not attracted to him (and I'm sure he wouldn't be attracted to me), and besides, knowing what a butt he is to crew people is a big ol turn off. My boyfriend is not a muscly guy and I'm more attracted to him than I've ever been to pretty much anybody. He has the best face, he's heavier than me but proportionate and physically active, and he's real real funny. & I chased him like a freakin lion on an antelope, y'all.