Steroids and Dating and Attraction
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I never read all the replies but if anyone in here is using them ... STOP IT!!!
Short Story but it's true. I worked with a young lad who used steroids in his teens and early 20's. He ended up having all kinds of health issues and when he stopped (who knows if he ever really did) he turned to alcohol. Sure he had muscles but he was not healthy. He was messed up big time, nice kid I felt sorry for him. He ended up alienated from his family and had very little support. The end result - major mental health issues and eventual suicide.
Men who are fit and healthy are attractive - but honestly everyone has their own qualities that make them attractive whether it's pysical or not. I like a good sense of humour, honesty and someone who is NICE to other people. You don't need to have a great body to be attractive - it's in each and every one of us.0 -
I absolutely did not say "just be confident" No one can just magically be confident when they previously were not. What I'm saying is to come across confident... there is a difference. It's clear you feel really horrible about yourself, which I'm really sorry to hear... honestly I really do think you should work on yourself (inside, not outside) until you even think about trying to date. Do you see a psychotherapist? You should really try it if not, to try to work on your low self esteem issues. THIS is the real issue here, and you can improve it! And like I said, once you start coming across as more confident, you will be amazed at the way people change how they act/react to you. I looked at your pics and I'm confused, you're just a regular looking guy... I think you're really seeing something that isn't there. The thing is, I know you won't believe that. It really is therapy that will change things here, not just some drugs.
Again- this is not about muscles, it's clear you have low self esteem. Try working on coming across as more confident, girls LOVE confidence in a man! It's true. Being friendly, confident, and not shy and awkward will really make a huge difference. My current boyfriend doesn't have muscles and I really do not care whatsoever. Funny and charming beats out big muscles any day of the week. Also, if you're just going after girls who would be into big muscly guys and nothing else, you gotta ask yourself- why are you into shallow girls?? Try looking for someone with substance, who cares more about your personality than your looks.All so confusing. Everybody says "don't do them" but I need to get a man's body so that women will look at me like one.
"Just be confident." It's amazing how people think you just flick a switch and there it is. How and where do I get confidence from when:
1. I have an ugly face.
2. I am short.
3. I am skinny.
4. I am old.
5. I have no money left after having to fight through court for years to see my child who my ex stopped me from seeing for no other reason than wanting to play happy families with a new guy.
6. Notwithstanding the above, I seem to have a gene that makes women look at me and instantly think: "Ewwwww! He's disgusting, I'm not even going to treat him with base level courtesy." I can't explain it. I feel utterly ashamed of myself for being so repulsive as to elicit that response. The last woman I was attracted to tried to get me fired for it (I didn't even ask her out, there was nothing inappropriate involved) and has smeared my name in the office amongst the women there. I cry every night after coming home, I hate it so much. I feel so grubby.
Read my profile synopsis. That's how I feel about myself through years of being made to feel like a leper for being a 'skinny little boy.' If I looked like a man, I would be treated differently. I don't go for shallow women, they just hate me for being repulsive. I hate myself so much for it.
So yeah, confidence in the face of a world telling me that I'm too s*** to be a part of it. Where do I buy it again?0 -
Used to be completely against steroids til I learned more about them. Have never used anything but most likely will in the future after I reach my goals. I compete in powerlifting and steroids are a tool to take you to the next level and it's not cheating because everyone at that level is on them. Personally I won't even consider taking them until I hit certain weights in each lift. The only people I look down on that take steroids are the people that take them as soon as or soon after they start lifting. I don't look down on pro athletes that take them because most pro athletes are on them, so it's not cheating, just evening the playing field.0
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I never read all the replies but if anyone in here is using them ... STOP IT!!!
Short Story but it's true. I worked with a young lad who used steroids in his teens and early 20's. He ended up having all kinds of health issues and when he stopped (who knows if he ever really did) he turned to alcohol. Sure he had muscles but he was not healthy. He was messed up big time, nice kid I felt sorry for him. He ended up alienated from his family and had very little support. The end result - major mental health issues and eventual suicide.
Men who are fit and healthy are attractive - but honestly everyone has their own qualities that make them attractive whether it's pysical or not. I like a good sense of humour, honesty and someone who is NICE to other people. You don't need to have a great body to be attractive - it's in each and every one of us.
Steroids work a lot like alcohol. If you're an *kitten*, steroids/alcohol will turn you into a huge *kitten*. If you have an addictive personality, steroids/alcohol will promote that.
But these people are the minority. Saying that steroids will cause health issues and suicide if you take them is false. Steroids have been used in medicine for decades. It's all about the quantity, quality, knowledge, and the individuals personality.1 -
Never used them. Wouldn't consider using steroids per se. But if I could easily get my hands on some HGH I might try it just to see what it's like. Not so much for looks but for performance.
I don't respect professional athletes you take them. Although I'm sure most of them do. But I really don't care if average Joe takes them. As long as he doesn't act like he did it naturally.0 -
I'm 5' 2" and have had several neck and shoulder injuries, so looking up for any length of time is painful. The *maximum* height I'd date these would be 5' 10", so I don't have to look up much. I think the last few guys I've been interested in have all been 5' 8" or below. One dance partner of mine is lucky if he's 5' 7" and I'm still shorter than him in 3-inch heels!Agreed. I am 5'7", and several years ago, I never saw myself dating someone below 6 feet purely because I like to wear heels. I dated a hot, sweet, funny, badass marine for a few months who was 5'6"", and it was one of the most fun and sexy relationships I had ever had. We all have our preferences physically, but personality traits can outweigh those preferences and render them irrelevant.
On the steroid front? I wouldn't date someone using them, or who HAD used them, to gain muscle. I've had steroid injections (cortisone) twice before, for a chronic muscle tear and a chronic ligament tear, but that's my limit for me and for anyone I'd date. I'd rather a guy be slightly on the skinny side than bigger from steroids. Mind you, if a guy is going to be muscular and date me, I'd rather he got like that from a sport (I love dancers, swimmers, gymnasts, martial artists) rather than the gym anyway, so it's never really an issue with the guys I'm into
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One more thing, everyone in this thread should go watch Bigger, Stronger, Faster. It's a documentary about steroids and society's perception of them. Also do some research on the subject. A lot of what is being said in this thread is completely false information that people always spread.1
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NO
I never read all the replies but if anyone in here is using them ... STOP IT!!!
Short Story but it's true. I worked with a young lad who used steroids in his teens and early 20's. He ended up having all kinds of health issues and when he stopped (who knows if he ever really did) he turned to alcohol. Sure he had muscles but he was not healthy. He was messed up big time, nice kid I felt sorry for him. He ended up alienated from his family and had very little support. The end result - major mental health issues and eventual suicide.
Men who are fit and healthy are attractive - but honestly everyone has their own qualities that make them attractive whether it's pysical or not. I like a good sense of humour, honesty and someone who is NICE to other people. You don't need to have a great body to be attractive - it's in each and every one of us.
Steroids work a lot like alcohol. If you're an *kitten*, steroids/alcohol will turn you into a huge *kitten*. If you have an addictive personality, steroids/alcohol will promote that.
But these people are the minority. Saying that steroids will cause health issues and suicide if you take them is false. Steroids have been used in medicine for decades. It's all about the quantity, quality, knowledge, and the individuals personality.
Well good luck to you...if you do something every day or even 3 or 4 times a week you will eventually come to rely on it like an alcoholic does. It's like an alcoholic say I'm not an alcoholic because I just sit in my garage everynight and only have a few beer (I only used that example because I am close to someone like that). No he is still an alcoholic.
I understand that people want to test their limits and push their bodies but what's wrong with doing it naturally without enhancements? That's a far better measure of your NATURAL abilities than enhancing them to do more. Just saying and not going to get into a big debate over it.
It's a free world - if want to mess with their health it's their choice - :ohwell:0 -
The dependency in steroids is psychological, unlike say amphetamines which are a physical and psychological addiction. That's why I was saying it depends on the person's personality. Also, in my first post I was saying how I wouldn't even consider them until I reached a certain goal naturally. There's things you simply can't do unless you're no steroids. Just because one person has a goal of seeing how far they can take their body naturally and another just wants to see how far they can take their body doesn't mean one is right and the other is wrong and it certainly doesn't mean the unnatural one is an addict.0
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I would consider dating a guy who has TRIED steroids, but if they were currently using steroids - than absolutely no. Especially if it is for reasons like "to attract females". It screams insecurity. Steroids also have negative symptoms like a small **** and a nasty attitude at times.0
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Used to be completely against steroids til I learned more about them. Have never used anything but most likely will in the future after I reach my goals. I compete in powerlifting and steroids are a tool to take you to the next level and it's not cheating because everyone at that level is on them. Personally I won't even consider taking them until I hit certain weights in each lift. The only people I look down on that take steroids are the people that take them as soon as or soon after they start lifting. I don't look down on pro athletes that take them because most pro athletes are on them, so it's not cheating, just evening the playing field.
Based on your reply, you are saying that if everyone else drove drunk, it would not be idiotic for you to do so because "everyone else does it too".0 -
But all of you would marry Christian Bale. LOL
Wrong. Stop using blanket statements and assuming what we women think.0 -
Used to be completely against steroids til I learned more about them. Have never used anything but most likely will in the future after I reach my goals. I compete in powerlifting and steroids are a tool to take you to the next level and it's not cheating because everyone at that level is on them. Personally I won't even consider taking them until I hit certain weights in each lift. The only people I look down on that take steroids are the people that take them as soon as or soon after they start lifting. I don't look down on pro athletes that take them because most pro athletes are on them, so it's not cheating, just evening the playing field.
Based on your reply, you are saying that if everyone else drove drunk, it would not be idiotic for you to do so because "everyone else does it too".
Those are two entirely different things. Driving drunk puts not only yourself at risk, but also countless other lives. Steroid USE, not ABUSE, actually has multiple health benefits which is why it has been used in medicine for decades.0 -
Used to be completely against steroids til I learned more about them. Have never used anything but most likely will in the future after I reach my goals. I compete in powerlifting and steroids are a tool to take you to the next level and it's not cheating because everyone at that level is on them. Personally I won't even consider taking them until I hit certain weights in each lift. The only people I look down on that take steroids are the people that take them as soon as or soon after they start lifting. I don't look down on pro athletes that take them because most pro athletes are on them, so it's not cheating, just evening the playing field.
Based on your reply, you are saying that if everyone else drove drunk, it would not be idiotic for you to do so because "everyone else does it too".
Those are two entirely different things. Driving drunk puts not only yourself at risk, but also countless other lives. Steroid USE, not ABUSE, actually has multiple health benefits which is why it has been used in medicine for decades.
So go talk to your doctor and see what he/she has to say about it. They probably have better advice than we do.0 -
Used to be completely against steroids til I learned more about them. Have never used anything but most likely will in the future after I reach my goals. I compete in powerlifting and steroids are a tool to take you to the next level and it's not cheating because everyone at that level is on them. Personally I won't even consider taking them until I hit certain weights in each lift. The only people I look down on that take steroids are the people that take them as soon as or soon after they start lifting. I don't look down on pro athletes that take them because most pro athletes are on them, so it's not cheating, just evening the playing field.
Based on your reply, you are saying that if everyone else drove drunk, it would not be idiotic for you to do so because "everyone else does it too".
Those are two entirely different things. Driving drunk puts not only yourself at risk, but also countless other lives. Steroid USE, not ABUSE, actually has multiple health benefits which is why it has been used in medicine for decades.
So go talk to your doctor and see what he/she has to say about it. They probably have better advice than we do.
I will when I decide to take that route, but as I've said I'm not at that point yet. Definitely gonna be as informed as possible before I do anything.0 -
Used to be completely against steroids til I learned more about them. Have never used anything but most likely will in the future after I reach my goals. I compete in powerlifting and steroids are a tool to take you to the next level and it's not cheating because everyone at that level is on them. Personally I won't even consider taking them until I hit certain weights in each lift. The only people I look down on that take steroids are the people that take them as soon as or soon after they start lifting. I don't look down on pro athletes that take them because most pro athletes are on them, so it's not cheating, just evening the playing field.
Based on your reply, you are saying that if everyone else drove drunk, it would not be idiotic for you to do so because "everyone else does it too".
Those are two entirely different things. Driving drunk puts not only yourself at risk, but also countless other lives. Steroid USE, not ABUSE, actually has multiple health benefits which is why it has been used in medicine for decades.
So go talk to your doctor and see what he/she has to say about it. They probably have better advice than we do.
I will when I decide to take that route, but as I've said I'm not at that point yet. Definitely gonna be as informed as possible before I do anything.
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Most of the info coming from females in this thread is incredibly wrong. Don't comment unless you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We stay out of daily 'time of the month' threads lol. The misinformation is dangerous and wrong
FYI. Roid rage is a myth. Any woman that mentioned it (almost every one) is parroting wrong information and needs to be disregarded. Testosterone has a slight effect on aggression. Slight. The same attribute also increases confidence in men.
If the guy is an *kitten*, he's an *kitten*. Regardless of chemical enhancements.
If you want the truth, go to one of the many dedicated message boards for this0 -
Most of the info coming from females in this thread is incredibly wrong. Don't comment unless you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We stay out of daily 'time of the month' threads lol. The misinformation is dangerous and wrong
Was the topic not posted as an "open discussion"? My comments didn't claim any expertise only what I had seen personally.0 -
Most of the info coming from females in this thread is incredibly wrong. Don't comment unless you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We stay out of daily 'time of the month' threads lol. The misinformation is dangerous and wrong
Was the topic not posted as an "open discussion"? My comments didn't claim any expertise only what I had seen personally.
Most people are stating misinformation as if it is fact. Go read the last two pages. The spread of bs even in an open discussion is wrong
For every guy these girls have met that is a raging *kitten* and self absorbed on steroids, there's probably ten that she doesn't even know takes them and is likable, calm, and intelligent. The normal ones just keep it to themselves... Because they are normal men0 -
Wow, a misogynist with rockin steroid abs. have you ever used the Internet? Most people state misinformation as fact. Also I'm pretty sure this discussion was aimed at getting women's opinions on dudes who use steroids, OPINIONS, not medical facts, if you don't like what you're reading, maybe stop using.0
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Most of the info coming from females in this thread is incredibly wrong. Don't comment unless you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We stay out of daily 'time of the month' threads lol. The misinformation is dangerous and wrong
Was the topic not posted as an "open discussion"? My comments didn't claim any expertise only what I had seen personally.
Most people are stating misinformation as if it is fact. Go read the last two pages. The spread of bs even in an open discussion is wrong
For every guy these girls have met that is a raging *kitten* and self absorbed on steroids, there's probably ten that she doesn't even know takes them and is likable, calm, and intelligent. The normal ones just keep it to themselves... Because they are normal men
Okay I can honestly say that the guy I was talking about was not arrogant, self absorbed or raging - and maybe he was weak minded or weak willed but the end result was health problems and other issues. As with anything we can't judge without all the facts - my main concern would be long term effects on the body (which is why I would recommend talking to a doctor about it) people promoting it aren't going to be honest about negative side effects are they? :indifferent:0 -
Most of the info coming from females in this thread is incredibly wrong. Don't comment unless you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We stay out of daily 'time of the month' threads lol. The misinformation is dangerous and wrong
Was the topic not posted as an "open discussion"? My comments didn't claim any expertise only what I had seen personally.
Most people are stating misinformation as if it is fact. Go read the last two pages. The spread of bs even in an open discussion is wrong
For every guy these girls have met that is a raging *kitten* and self absorbed on steroids, there's probably ten that she doesn't even know takes them and is likable, calm, and intelligent. The normal ones just keep it to themselves... Because they are normal men
Okay I can honestly say that the guy I was talking about was not arrogant, self absorbed or raging - and maybe he was weak minded or weak willed but the end result was health problems and other issues. As with anything we can't judge without all the facts - my main concern would be long term effects on the body (which is why I would recommend talking to a doctor about it) people promoting it aren't going to be honest about negative side effects are they? :indifferent:
Actually there's a lot of people that have abused steroids that talk about the negative effects. The information is out there once you start looking into the subject. Also the negative effects vary from person to person, take acne as an example. Some people get ridiculous acne from steroid use while others get none at all.
It's hard to tell the long term effects on the body unless you use anecdotal evidence from people who have used for a long period of time because there has never been a long term study.0 -
Hmm well let's see... message reads "women, you don't know wtf you're talking about...go post about your periods."0
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Actually it reads
"Most of the info coming from females in this thread is incredibly wrong. Don't comment unless you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We stay out of daily 'time of the month' threads lol. The misinformation is dangerous and wrong "0 -
Most of the info coming from females in this thread is incredibly wrong. Don't comment unless you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We stay out of daily 'time of the month' threads lol. The misinformation is dangerous and wrong
Was the topic not posted as an "open discussion"? My comments didn't claim any expertise only what I had seen personally.
Most people are stating misinformation as if it is fact. Go read the last two pages. The spread of bs even in an open discussion is wrong
For every guy these girls have met that is a raging *kitten* and self absorbed on steroids, there's probably ten that she doesn't even know takes them and is likable, calm, and intelligent. The normal ones just keep it to themselves... Because they are normal men
Okay I can honestly say that the guy I was talking about was not arrogant, self absorbed or raging - and maybe he was weak minded or weak willed but the end result was health problems and other issues. As with anything we can't judge without all the facts - my main concern would be long term effects on the body (which is why I would recommend talking to a doctor about it) people promoting it aren't going to be honest about negative side effects are they? :indifferent:
There are certainly health affects. Most are much overblown except in chronic abusers (like mr olympia types, not most users). Not many valid studies unfortunately ever since the us federal ban for politcal reasons. But guys who take them are usually very aware and open about the long term effects. There are some very good message boards for this exact thing
Tylenol is a far more dangerous drug. That's a fact actually. Strange, but true0 -
If he used them in the past and doesn't now, I'm okay with that. If he uses them currently, I doubt if I would be interested. I'm not a "drugs are bad" person necessarily, but with this drug in particular, I would be concerned about the effects on emotional and behavioral regulation.0
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Most of the info coming from females in this thread is incredibly wrong. Don't comment unless you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We stay out of daily 'time of the month' threads lol. The misinformation is dangerous and wrong
Was the topic not posted as an "open discussion"? My comments didn't claim any expertise only what I had seen personally.
Most people are stating misinformation as if it is fact. Go read the last two pages. The spread of bs even in an open discussion is wrong
For every guy these girls have met that is a raging *kitten* and self absorbed on steroids, there's probably ten that she doesn't even know takes them and is likable, calm, and intelligent. The normal ones just keep it to themselves... Because they are normal men
Okay I can honestly say that the guy I was talking about was not arrogant, self absorbed or raging - and maybe he was weak minded or weak willed but the end result was health problems and other issues. As with anything we can't judge without all the facts - my main concern would be long term effects on the body (which is why I would recommend talking to a doctor about it) people promoting it aren't going to be honest about negative side effects are they? :indifferent:
There are certainly health affects. Most are much overblown except in chronic abusers (like mr olympia types, not most users). Not many valid studies unfortunately ever since the us federal ban for politcal reasons. But guys who take them are usually very aware and open about the long term effects. There are some very good message boards for this exact thing
Tylenol is a far more dangerous drug. That's a fact actually. Strange, but true
Yes I agree with the Tylenol being dangerous not sure if it's more dangerous but it is bad if abused - especially for people who abuse alcohol. I am not a fan of taking anything unless I absolutely have to. Personal preference not preaching.0 -
This type of topic of course will get people upset. Obviously - there are some on MFP that use roids. Often when it comes to addiction, they will use everything to defend their behavior and become defensive if anyone challenges it. "Roid rage" is not from the steroids - it is withdrawal from the drug. A drug is a drug, and a person who is an addict does not have their drug - they have the potential to become aggressive.0
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This type of topic of course will get people upset. Obviously - there are some on MFP that use roids. Often when it comes to addiction, they will use everything to defend their behavior and become defensive if anyone challenges it. "Roid rage" is not from the steroids - it is withdrawal from the drug. A drug is a drug, and a person who is an addict does not have their drug - they have the potential to become aggressive.
No. See, misinformation.You couldn't be further from the truth. You stated roid rage is not from the drug, but the withdrawal. That is false and impossible. Testosterone increases aggression to a degree. Hence the myth of roid 'rage'. This is only while using. Once extra testosterone is out of the system, the endocrine system struggles to regain homeostasis. Testosterone goes down sharply and estrogen goes up. This causes the OPPOSITE of aggression. It causes the same emotional swings which women experience monthly. It can lead to depression etc. All side effects of high estrogen and low testosterone. Low testosterone in men is a clinical disorder and treatable legally. High estrogen or low T does NOT cause aggression, it causes everything that is opposite of aggression and confidence. In summary, the truth is the opposite of your statement - aggression is increased while using, decreased below normal while not using until normal hormone levels are achieved.
Testosterone is a naturally produced hormone. Steroid users just take much more of it. It does NOT cause physical or psychological dependence. Not ever. You CAN however, be addicted to the use of it...which is actually an addiction to the results, not the drug itself. Same as an addiction to skydiving or some other thrill sport. But that does not cause aggression.
These effects are so overblown it's ridiculous. Most guys can quadruple their testosterone levels by taking steroids and not even realize it! They wouldn't even know they are taking anything except strength and weight will go up a bit after 2-4 months. It takes decades to develop these horror story side affects usually. There are exceptions.Are you sure?
Not that I've looked in to it that much, but I always thought it was the increase in testosterone from taking them.
Of course, just because someone defends something does not mean they are an 'addict'.
I've seen people claiming someone defending steroids had 'roid rage' - when it turns out they'd never taken them so far, but were planning to and so had researched it.
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Are you sure?This type of topic of course will get people upset. Obviously - there are some on MFP that use roids. Often when it comes to addiction, they will use everything to defend their behavior and become defensive if anyone challenges it. "Roid rage" is not from the steroids - it is withdrawal from the drug. A drug is a drug, and a person who is an addict does not have their drug - they have the potential to become aggressive.
Not that I've looked in to it that much, but I always thought it was the increase in testosterone from taking them.
Of course, just because someone defends something does not mean they are an 'addict'.
I've seen people claiming someone defending steroids had 'roid rage' - when it turns out they'd never taken them so far, but were planning to and so had researched it.0
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