Attitudes of people with different levels of fitness and wei
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I was just talking to my friend about this earlier, telling her the great thing about losing weight is that you do not give a *kitten* what people say about you anymore. When I used to be called ( in a politically correct way) fat before, i would always blame it on having a baby or juggling work, home and had no time to go to the gym.
My brothers STILL make fun of me for being fat, and instead of secretly being mad at them and pretending not to care, I shrug it off as stupid talk, bcz that's exactly what it is.. nonesense!!
It's not even the fact that I lost weight that's so great, it's the fact that I bust my butt every single day and my family and friends admire me for it. Not one FAT person in my circle of people can tell me I can't lose weight due to health problems or I'm too busy....pfffftt!! I call them out right away and tell them if I can get up at 5 am every single FN day and workout, then anyone can!!
Weight loss and increase fitness brings about a new level of confidence that a person who has been skinny all their life will never know!! Now I talk about how I used to FAT, not overweight, or big boned, just plain ol' FAT!!0 -
I think then perhaps we agree fundamentally, just we are talking about slightly different things.
To me there are many many causes for people over eating, whether it be sadness, peer pressure, addiction caused by a Leptin deficiency as you mention. Each of these have to be addressed in their own way but ultimately, the goal is to have the individual eating properly.
Sure there are many causes, but none of them explain the massive growth in obesity from the late 70s, except obvious changes in the American diet for example.
I think when people are in a toxic culture with temptation everywhere and have already been scarred by the damage to their body, it is no longer effective or even makes any sense to just continue blaming the individuals. We need large scale cultural changes to fix the problem.0 -
I don't know what your agenda is, but I think luckily most people have reason and logic skills that mean they won't pay attention to the things you say.
Just for the record - do you actually believe, knowing how the body works ie food is fuel and moving etc uses that fuel, that the answer to losing weight doesn't fundamentally come down to diet and exercise?
Whether the reason comes down to a psychological tendency or a genetic tendency to over/under eat or a genetic tendency towards fat storage, the fix is always to eat properly and exercise appropriately.
I do not have an agenda, other than to pass the time on a message board and thereby procrastinate doing the dishes.
For the record: Yes, I believe that losing weight fundamentally comes down to diet and exercise. I believe that weight gain and loss is based in some way on the consumption and expenditure of calories. What I am talking about is more to do with behaviour - with metabolism, and hunger. They're very closely related to diet and exercise, but they are separate issues that determine how and why we gain or lose weight.0 -
^^^ agreed. I get so irritated when people always blame the parents for the childhood obesity epidemic. Childhood obesity is society's problem, ALONG with each individual parent.
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I do take the attitude of a no nonsense approach. And many times don't buy the excuses or analogies of my clients. If I did, then I'd probably not get them results. One of the ones that people try to use is the "under stress" excuse to be fat. Guess what? Skinny people has many episodes of being under stress too, they just approach it a different way.
There are many different approaches that work. Not all will work with some (the female that won't do a burpee comes to mind) and sometimes I have to try to really work a program that fits that particular person, but it really just boils down to getting more physical activity in and consuming less calories.
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Once you admit to having a problem (one YOU control), you can begin changing it. If you tiptoe around the issue, you will likely fail. I am fat because I have the capacity to eat half a pizza in one sitting and have done so and never exercised. I am not fat because society tells me I am. That is such a cop out.
I lost a bunch of weight as a teenager with a lot of determination. I put it back on because I started and continued to make stupid choices.
People generally know that they have a problem. Making excuses, and self deprecating jokes is a way of coping with the shame. (I have done both). It is just a matter of stepping out of denial and dealing with it. I waited until I was almost 220 pounds before I made the change. The last ten pounds of gain were often accompanied by my own internal voice saying, "When will you put a stop to this?" Seeing my current profile picture for the first time was my "Oh no." moment.
That being said, cruelty is as bad as enabling. People should be kind, but true.0 -
I don't know what your agenda is, but I think luckily most people have reason and logic skills that mean they won't pay attention to the things you say.
Just for the record - do you actually believe, knowing how the body works ie food is fuel and moving etc uses that fuel, that the answer to losing weight doesn't fundamentally come down to diet and exercise?
Whether the reason comes down to a psychological tendency or a genetic tendency to over/under eat or a genetic tendency towards fat storage, the fix is always to eat properly and exercise appropriately.
I do not have an agenda, other than to pass the time on a message board and thereby procrastinate doing the dishes.
For the record: Yes, I believe that losing weight fundamentally comes down to diet and exercise. I believe that weight gain and loss is based in some way on the consumption and expenditure of calories. What I am talking about is more to do with behaviour - with metabolism, and hunger. They're very closely related to diet and exercise, but they are separate issues that determine how and why we gain or lose weight.
Funny the OP pretty much posts an unscientific anecdotal opinion as some kind of fact, and everybody with an opposing view either is a troll or has an agenda.0 -
I think then perhaps we agree fundamentally, just we are talking about slightly different things.
To me there are many many causes for people over eating, whether it be sadness, peer pressure, addiction caused by a Leptin deficiency as you mention. Each of these have to be addressed in their own way but ultimately, the goal is to have the individual eating properly.
Sure there are many causes, but none of them explain the massive growth in obesity from the late 70s, except obvious changes in the American diet for example.
I think when people are in a toxic culture with temptation everywhere and have already been scarred by the damage to their body, it is no longer effective or even makes any sense to just continue blaming the individuals. We need large scale cultural changes to fix the problem.
The problem with that is it brings about the victim culture which I believe is one of the issues surrounding a lot of the problems we experience in society today.
We are blaming our surroundings for being too tempting but there are plenty of people who live in these same surroundings we overcome the temptation, or just aren't tempted at all.
It is the individual who has issues if they don't live a healthy lifestyle so it is up to the individual to resolve it, whether that is with the help of others or on their own.
To say that there needs to be cultural changes is correct, but these need to be changes of mindset by individuals, there is nothing governments or health agencies can do other than put the information out there.
We need to take control of our own lives and not expect someone else to come along and fix it for us.0 -
I agree that those of us that over still very overweight tend to be a little more 'touchy' about the fat word... LOL
I also feel that there are a great deal of people who are in denial as to why they are overweight. Very few have complications that lead to weight gain, although there are some that did. For those of you who are in the category that a disease, or some type of medication, are the reason for your weight problem, I'm not referring to you!!!
Personally, I'm fat because I overate and underexercised. I was raised with poor eating as my example, but as an adult, it's up to me to make better decisions, learn from my past, and make a better present and future for myself and my children. When I decided to really try my hardest to lose this weight, I decided to drop the excuses that I used to make myself more of a victim of fate, rather than a victim of my own decisions. (I do have occasional relapses and fall prey to pity parties which include overindulging...)
That being said, I think a certain degree of filtering of the bald truth tends to go a longer way toward getting your point across without raising too many people's hackles. Sometimes it's all about the phrasing, and less about the facts!!!0 -
AGREED!!
Almost my entire family are fat! I got diagnosed with an underactive thyroid 9 years ago and take high dosage medication, although at one point my BMI got 25.1 i have never been very overweight, i attribute this to keeping an eye on what i'm doing, i've always been active and as soon as i'd gain 2 or 3 lbs i'd make sure i lost it again, i wasn't going to get to 50 or even 20lb overweight!
I started dieting and exercise seriously about 3 months ago as i didn't want to be 'o.k', i wanted to be fit and toned, and i have lost 15lbs and toned up a lot, now my BMI is 22!
It really p*sses me off when people make excuses because they will not accept the fact that they are doing wrong to their bodies. I know another girl who has just accepted the fact that she is about 5 stone over weight due to her 'underactive thyroid' even though she is on the lowest dose of medication possible, whenever she sees that i've lost more wight she has to keep telling me that i am ''obsessed with exercise, must be starving myself''
Blah blah blah blah blah, people need to get real and take control of their situation, if they can't be bothered then i can't be bothered to listen to EXCUSES!0 -
The problem with that is it brings about the victim culture which I believe is one of the issues surrounding a lot of the problems we experience in society today.
We are blaming our surroundings for being too tempting but there are plenty of people who live in these same surroundings we overcome the temptation, or just aren't tempted at all.
It is the individual who has issues if they don't live a healthy lifestyle so it is up to the individual to resolve it, whether that is with the help of others or on their own.
To say that there needs to be cultural changes is correct, but these need to be changes of mindset by individuals, there is nothing governments or health agencies can do other than put the information out there.
We need to take control of our own lives and not expect someone else to come along and fix it for us.
Why can't both you AND grinch be right? Yes, the individual needs to take control. But we also need to make drastic changes as a society. We can't expect that obese individuals are all going to lose weight on their own, and ALL of us are going to pay the consequences through higher health care rates and later medicare/disability etc.0 -
Yup. This is my favorite series of posts today.0
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I think then perhaps we agree fundamentally, just we are talking about slightly different things.
To me there are many many causes for people over eating, whether it be sadness, peer pressure, addiction caused by a Leptin deficiency as you mention. Each of these have to be addressed in their own way but ultimately, the goal is to have the individual eating properly.
Sure there are many causes, but none of them explain the massive growth in obesity from the late 70s, except obvious changes in the American diet for example.
I think when people are in a toxic culture with temptation everywhere and have already been scarred by the damage to their body, it is no longer effective or even makes any sense to just continue blaming the individuals. We need large scale cultural changes to fix the problem.
The problem with that is it brings about the victim culture which I believe is one of the issues surrounding a lot of the problems we experience in society today.
We are blaming our surroundings for being too tempting but there are plenty of people who live in these same surroundings we overcome the temptation, or just aren't tempted at all.
It is the individual who has issues if they don't live a healthy lifestyle so it is up to the individual to resolve it, whether that is with the help of others or on their own.
To say that there needs to be cultural changes is correct, but these need to be changes of mindset by individuals, there is nothing governments or health agencies can do other than put the information out there.
We need to take control of our own lives and not expect someone else to come along and fix it for us.
Most people who are naturally skinny are not genetically prone to becoming obese. Even if they force feed garbage, the moment they stop the weight comes off because their hormones just will not let them get fat or at least sustain it for very long. Then there are the people that became fat either early in life or later in life. Most of them can lose weight, but most of them will regain it all back. Only a very small percentage can keep the weight off forever. I really don't think what worked for a small percentage of people (long term) demonstrates that it is an effective treatment for everyone. I really think the influence our environment has on most bodies' is too powerful and we need to change that environment. And I don't think that will happen until there is a scientific breakthrough that provides smoking gun evidence that the food we are eating is the primary cause of obesity, much more than any psychological factors. My opinion based on the data I've seen, take it or leave it.0 -
The problem with that is it brings about the victim culture which I believe is one of the issues surrounding a lot of the problems we experience in society today.
We are blaming our surroundings for being too tempting but there are plenty of people who live in these same surroundings we overcome the temptation, or just aren't tempted at all.
It is the individual who has issues if they don't live a healthy lifestyle so it is up to the individual to resolve it, whether that is with the help of others or on their own.
To say that there needs to be cultural changes is correct, but these need to be changes of mindset by individuals, there is nothing governments or health agencies can do other than put the information out there.
We need to take control of our own lives and not expect someone else to come along and fix it for us.
Why can't both you AND grinch be right? Yes, the individual needs to take control. But we also need to make drastic changes as a society. We can't expect that obese individuals are all going to lose weight on their own, and ALL of us are going to pay the consequences through higher health care rates and later medicare/disability etc.
To be honest I think we are both agreeing - I just think that as long as there is demand for all the tempting things that are bad for us, they will remain. The only way to make them go away is for people to reject them.0 -
But, some of them had to work harder at it than others. Some may have had to work much, much harder for every pound lost than you did. Some may have not had to work at all.
I'll give myself as an example:
Somehow I lost over 30 lbs over maybe 12 months without doing anything deliberate. I put on a whole lot of weight in my third pregnancy. Lost a bunch immediately after delivery, of course, and then the rest sort of hung around for a while... then it slowly went away. And, it has stayed off, with the exception of about 6 pounds I put on when I quit smoking last month.
Yes, it was down to how many calories I was taking in vs putting out. But, my point is, I didn't have to work at it at all. It just happened all on its own. It had nothing to do with my attitude towards food or exercise.
It depends on your definition of working at it. I'll admit, this time, weight loss felt effortless for me. I was still burning 300-500 calories a day, logging everything I ate to make sure I was eating the right amount. It's not as though I decided one day, "I want to be a size 4," and the weight just magically fell off.
But it felt effortless to eat ~1800+ calories a day and run my bum off to average one pound a week while I was losing, compared to the under 1000 calories a day I was eating to lose less than a half pound a week years ago. THEN, I would say that weight loss was really hard. Now, I'd say it's better to work smart than work hard. Try different things until you find what works best for you. If it feels like torture, it's not what's best for you.
(And I know there are some people that need help to get the results they want. A very good friend of mine tried every normal method to lose weight, but nothing worked for her except weight loss surgery.)0 -
Are you effing kidding me?!?!?!?! You, sir, are a giant bottle of massengil!!!!!! You actually believe that I fail at life because I am not some triathelete? Or "unf**kable"? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of!!!! I was fat.......... not because I was a "slob who just want to sit around and b!tch while mindlessly pushing a$$bread down my throat".
You know what is worse than fat people. Arrogant, narrow minded jerks! I would rather be around 30 "fat slobs" than one of you.0 -
I don't know what your agenda is, but I think luckily most people have reason and logic skills that mean they won't pay attention to the things you say.
Just for the record - do you actually believe, knowing how the body works ie food is fuel and moving etc uses that fuel, that the answer to losing weight doesn't fundamentally come down to diet and exercise?
Whether the reason comes down to a psychological tendency or a genetic tendency to over/under eat or a genetic tendency towards fat storage, the fix is always to eat properly and exercise appropriately.
I do not have an agenda, other than to pass the time on a message board and thereby procrastinate doing the dishes.
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For the record: Yes, I believe that losing weight fundamentally comes down to diet and exercise. I believe that weight gain and loss is based in some way on the consumption and expenditure of calories. What I am talking about is more to do with behaviour - with metabolism, and hunger. They're very closely related to diet and exercise, but they are separate issues that determine how and why we gain or lose weight.
I think then, like Grinch we fundamentally agree, I am just talking about what it all boils down to and saying that whatever the base issue is, the result is that it causes issues with what goes in/out.
The base issues need to be addressed in their own indivdual way to effect a change in the nutrition and exercise.0 -
The problem with that is it brings about the victim culture which I believe is one of the issues surrounding a lot of the problems we experience in society today.
We are blaming our surroundings for being too tempting but there are plenty of people who live in these same surroundings we overcome the temptation, or just aren't tempted at all.
It is the individual who has issues if they don't live a healthy lifestyle so it is up to the individual to resolve it, whether that is with the help of others or on their own.
To say that there needs to be cultural changes is correct, but these need to be changes of mindset by individuals, there is nothing governments or health agencies can do other than put the information out there.
We need to take control of our own lives and not expect someone else to come along and fix it for us.
Why can't both you AND grinch be right? Yes, the individual needs to take control. But we also need to make drastic changes as a society. We can't expect that obese individuals are all going to lose weight on their own, and ALL of us are going to pay the consequences through higher health care rates and later medicare/disability etc.
To be honest I think we are both agreeing - I just think that as long as there is demand for all the tempting things that are bad for us, they will remain. The only way to make them go away is for people to reject them.
The biggest difference between us is that you still blame the individual, I think it has gone way beyond blaming the individual. I can't blame the individual for a problem that the majority of my country's population has (ie. overweight or obesity), because I know that the battle to maintain weight loss can be so difficult. I find trying to manipulate calories alone without eating a cleaner diet is like being on Day-1 of quitting smoking for the rest of your life.0 -
Why can't both you AND grinch be right? Yes, the individual needs to take control. But we also need to make drastic changes as a society. We can't expect that obese individuals are all going to lose weight on their own, and ALL of us are going to pay the consequences through higher health care rates and later medicare/disability etc.
I really don't care if grinch turns out to be right. He wants a solution that eliminates obesity for everyone. That's a nice dream, and I hope it is realized someday. For now, all I can do is work on my own problems, and maybe someday provide some positive influence for my family and the people around me.
Society as a whole is mainly influenced by a bunch of rabid idiots at each other's throats, each believing they have the best intentions. I'm not going to put my trust in that.0 -
Genetics? Just because your whole family consumes 5000 calories a day and doesn't move off the sofa doesn't mean your fat is genetic, it means it's environmental.
Love that! I always say that their is no such thing as being fat because of genes! It's because everyone in the family overeats0 -
When I was bigger, I was desperate for anything to blame but myself. I felt guilty about what I'd done to my once athletic beautiful figure. It look I ate my former self.
The people who are most successful on here are the ones who take ownership of what they've done to themselves and move forward it to correct it. Those that blame their medical problems or metabolism for their body size/weight often end up back after a few months having regained much of their weight or quit. They are also the ones prone to the fad diets that wreak havoc on their bodies long-term.
Exactly! I am fat! I have no qualms about saying it! I did this to myself, I have a tumor on my thyroid and when I discovered this I unfortunately hoped this was the reason for weight! (Sick right) But turns out, the tumor is benign and has had no effect on my thyroid function! So I had to come to the harsh reality that I am fat because I stopped working out and overate. Now that I'm eating better/less and working out my body is changing and I love it!
It trips me out when I refer to myself as fat and people say "no you're not" and I'm like yes I am, but I won't be forever! They're trying to make me feel better, but trying to coddle me won't make me healthy. Keep it real with me!
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When I was bigger, I was desperate for anything to blame but myself. I felt guilty about what I'd done to my once athletic beautiful figure. It look I ate my former self.
The people who are most successful on here are the ones who take ownership of what they've done to themselves and move forward it to correct it. Those that blame their medical problems or metabolism for their body size/weight often end up back after a few months having regained much of their weight or quit. They are also the ones prone to the fad diets that wreak havoc on their bodies long-term.
Exactly! I am fat! I have no qualms about saying it! I did this to myself, I have a tumor on my thyroid and when I discovered this I unfortunately hoped this was the reason for weight! (Sick right) But turns out, the tumor is benign and has had no effect on my thyroid function! So I had to come to the harsh reality that I am fat because I stopped working out and overate. Now that I'm eating better/less and working out my body is changing and I love it!
It trips me out when I refer to myself as fat and people say "no you're not" and I'm like yes I am, but I won't be forever! They're trying to make me feel better, but trying to coddle me won't make me healthy. Keep it real with me!
LOVE your attitude
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Genetics? Just because your whole family consumes 5000 calories a day and doesn't move off the sofa doesn't mean your fat is genetic, it means it's environmental.
Love that! I always say that their is no such thing as being fat because of genes! It's because everyone in the family overeats
Unless you INHERITED a metabolic syndrome....... THERE is such a thing...... just not fat because they are fat.0 -
I really don't know that it's so much an issue of denial. I think there are a lot of us that start to feel hopeless, particularly if you're trying really hard to lose, and either plateau for an extended period of time, or like me, have been working hard, cutting calories and not losing anything. Yes, yes, I know that it's all a process and each individual has to figure out the correct balance of calories in and out to have success. But the constant roadblocks can really set a person back. It's not an excuse, it's a fact.
I exercise 6 days a week now. When I'm out in my neighborhood walking, it's almost a daily occurrence of people shouting things out of their cars at me. I've heard "go home fattie", "fat a**" and the most popular "Moooo". So believe me, it's not denial that I'm fat, or denial that I need to do the work to have positive results. Sometimes we just need some hope and kindness, instead of judgment for ruining our bodies in the first place.
Very well said. Especially the last line.0 -
Why can't both you AND grinch be right? Yes, the individual needs to take control. But we also need to make drastic changes as a society. We can't expect that obese individuals are all going to lose weight on their own, and ALL of us are going to pay the consequences through higher health care rates and later medicare/disability etc.
I really don't care if grinch turns out to be right. He wants a solution that eliminates obesity for everyone. That's a nice dream, and I hope it is realized someday. For now, all I can do is work on my own problems, and maybe someday provide some positive influence for my family and the people around me.
Society as a whole is mainly influenced by a bunch of rabid idiots at each other's throats, each believing they have the best intentions. I'm not going to put my trust in that.
No what I want is a solution that eliminates obesity for more than 5% of the population.0 -
When I was bigger, I was desperate for anything to blame but myself. I felt guilty about what I'd done to my once athletic beautiful figure. It look I ate my former self.
The people who are most successful on here are the ones who take ownership of what they've done to themselves and move forward it to correct it. Those that blame their medical problems or metabolism for their body size/weight often end up back after a few months having regained much of their weight or quit. They are also the ones prone to the fad diets that wreak havoc on their bodies long-term.
Exactly! I am fat! I have no qualms about saying it! I did this to myself, I have a tumor on my thyroid and when I discovered this I unfortunately hoped this was the reason for weight! (Sick right) But turns out, the tumor is benign and has had no effect on my thyroid function! So I had to come to the harsh reality that I am fat because I stopped working out and overate. Now that I'm eating better/less and working out my body is changing and I love it!
It trips me out when I refer to myself as fat and people say "no you're not" and I'm like yes I am, but I won't be forever! They're trying to make me feel better, but trying to coddle me won't make me healthy. Keep it real with me!
Yes! People do that all the time. I am guilty of it myself. I am usually less apt to say anything derogatory about my weight around my larger friends. Hmm...maybe this is the societal issue that is being argued here...maybe?0 -
Are you effing kidding me?!?!?!?! You, sir, are a giant bottle of massengil!!!!!! You actually believe that I fail at life because I am not some triathelete? Or "unf**kable"? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of!!!! I was fat.......... not because I was a "slob who just want to sit around and b!tch while mindlessly pushing a$$bread down my throat".
You know what is worse than fat people. Arrogant, narrow minded jerks! I would rather be around 30 "fat slobs" than one of you.
to be fair - the article was aimed at people who blame anything but themselves for how they are. Since you are clearly well out of anybody's version of fat, and well in the category of 'hot' you needn't take any offence from the article.
Also that wolf is frikkin funny as hell0 -
Thanks Stace5! Love your attitude as well!:happy:0
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The problem with that is it brings about the victim culture which I believe is one of the issues surrounding a lot of the problems we experience in society today.
We are blaming our surroundings for being too tempting but there are plenty of people who live in these same surroundings we overcome the temptation, or just aren't tempted at all.
It is the individual who has issues if they don't live a healthy lifestyle so it is up to the individual to resolve it, whether that is with the help of others or on their own.
To say that there needs to be cultural changes is correct, but these need to be changes of mindset by individuals, there is nothing governments or health agencies can do other than put the information out there.
We need to take control of our own lives and not expect someone else to come along and fix it for us.
Why can't both you AND grinch be right? Yes, the individual needs to take control. But we also need to make drastic changes as a society. We can't expect that obese individuals are all going to lose weight on their own, and ALL of us are going to pay the consequences through higher health care rates and later medicare/disability etc.
To be honest I think we are both agreeing - I just think that as long as there is demand for all the tempting things that are bad for us, they will remain. The only way to make them go away is for people to reject them.
The biggest difference between us is that you still blame the individual, I think it has gone way beyond blaming the individual. I can't blame the individual for a problem that the majority of my country's population has (ie. overweight or obesity), because I know that the battle to maintain weight loss can be so difficult. I find trying to manipulate calories alone without eating a cleaner diet is like being on Day-1 of quitting smoking for the rest of your life.
I think whilst I do blame the individual, the fact is that no matter who is at fault it falls on the individual to fix themselves as no one is going to help.
It doesn't matter what should or shouldn't happen, what matters is what will and won't happen. And since general society won't be offering any help the individual needs to accept responsibility for themselves.
If I'm walking down the road, sure other motorists should see me and avoid me, but I can avoid the whole thing by walking on the pavement (sidewalk). Even if the pavement is bumpy and uncomfortable to walk on and it's too crowded on there. It's about picking the best option.0 -
I got fat for two reasons. 1. I ate too many calories each day; 2. I stopped working out.
I was on fertility drugs, have thyroid issues, PCOS, etc., etc.....These are all excuses. There's no magic trick to losing weight. If there was, no one would be fat.0
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