Armed and Dangerous?
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I am curious, now, as to just what those folks in the UK actually can carry to protect themselves, if the need arises. I recognize there are culture differences, but bad people are everywhere -- and they don't care about what is legal and what is not.
(A high school teacher was abducted and killed near here while out for a morning jog just recently. And this was in a very small town. One where many probably don't lock doors at night. Small-town Montana is ... well, not mayberry, but pretty close. If it can happen there, truly, it can happen anywhere. And who knows what might have happened had she had any kind of protection. Maybe nothing different. But it could not have been worse.)
Just seen this..
We have a "reasonable force" law. You can’t carry ANYTHING as a weapon, but if say you were going to a dodgy area at night and happen to have a tire iron in your car, that would be ok, as it's a reasonable item....A baseball bat would take a bit of explaining...
However several house break-ins have resulted in the thieves being killed and as of yet, none of the householders have been charged.
Favorite story on this subject...guy gets mugged on the platform at Hereford train station by a little scrote....yeah bad move, Hereford is the home of the SAS.....guess who he chose to rob? Police found him trussed up on the platform with the soldier using him as a footrest....
I was quite confused the other day. You see, I went to John Lewis to buy a new paring knife. But then I realised - wait, people aren't allowed to carry knives here. So I asked my boyfriend if I'd be arrested if a police officer saw me with my new knife. He said he didn't know. LOL.0 -
"I am curious, now, as to just what those folks in the UK actually can carry to protect themselves, if the need arises. I recognize there are culture differences, but bad people are everywhere -- and they don't care about what is legal and what is not."
Living in Canada, I have to resort to stern looks and harsh language!
But we still say "please" and "thank you"0 -
When I exercise I carry a Kel-tec P3AT with a pocket clip in the waist band. When dressed a little more I carry a Kahr CW.40 ....0
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There are bad people everywhere, certainly. the difference is that in the UK, most of our bad people aren't armed with guns....
I can't quite believe that people refuse to see a relationship between the omnipresence of weaponry in a culture, and high rates of violent crime. It's pretty hard to argue with bald facts. But I guess gun-toters will always try.0 -
i carry a glock 40 um in one of my fat rolls its up to the crook to figure out which one
Bahahahaaha!!! do you have to have a concealed carry permit for this?0 -
What? some people 'run' outdoors for fun? Who am I kidding - the only running I ever did was chasing down the bad guys, and then I had my Glock .40 with me (and handcuffs and pepper spray etc) I'll stick to my indoor (non running ) workouts! :laugh:0
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There are bad people everywhere, certainly. the difference is that in the UK, most of our bad people aren't armed with guns....
I can't quite believe that people refuse to see a relationship between the omnipresence of weaponry in a culture, and high rates of violent crime. It's pretty hard to argue with bald facts. But I guess gun-toters will always try.
I don't think it isn't seeing ... it is just the whole genie/bottle situation now. Take away the guns from the good folks, bad folks are the only ones left with them.
Also, realize that the vast majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners. I was taught from a very early age to respect guns, have taken safety courses, etc. Everyone who owns a gun isn't automatically a wacko.0 -
I don't really bring a weapon or anything for protection, I bring my dogs if I go out at night because they will warn me way before anyone can even get close, then I guess I could just use the hard parts of the leashes for weapons... I want to get one of those pepper spray things that you can wear on your arm or ankle.0
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There are bad people everywhere, certainly. the difference is that in the UK, most of our bad people aren't armed with guns....
I can't quite believe that people refuse to see a relationship between the omnipresence of weaponry in a culture, and high rates of violent crime. It's pretty hard to argue with bald facts. But I guess gun-toters will always try.
I don't think it isn't seeing ... it is just the whole genie/bottle situation now. Take away the guns from the good folks, bad folks are the only ones left with them.
Also, realize that the vast majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners. I was taught from a very early age to respect guns, have taken safety courses, etc. Everyone who owns a gun isn't automatically a wacko.
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THIS!
I exercise my second amendment right daily. As a woman, it's an equalizer if someone were to come after me with violent intentions. I don't carry a weapon to kill someone. I carry a weapon to survive another day. I hope I'll never have to use it, but I'm prepared to do what I need to do to survive.
It kills me that people tout even legal gun ownership as a bad thing. You exercise your rights your way, and I'll exercise mine my way. To each her/his own
. There's my schpeal. :flowerforyou:
By the way, I carry a Walther P22 with stingers. I have a CFP, and most people (even those closest to me) never have any idea I'm carrying.0 -
If I'm on patrol... the SA80 A2 GP Rifle... if I'm back home running/walking/hiking then nothing! Carrying them and allowing them helps create the culture because the weapons are free to hand a readily available, uncontrolled (in reality) thus allowing moments of madness get way out of hand...0
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I carry my 32 TomCat. She is cute and fits so nice in my holster!0
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I have lived in Vegas for 11 years now and never needed a weapon and I do a lot of night running during the summer. However, I do like to run through the parks and night trying to look really tired seeing if anyone will take the bait 0
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Simple answer. Always.
Like my wallet, folding knife and must needed items of the day. It's there if I need it.0 -
Kel-tec P-11
Ruger SR9C
Ruger LCR
Any of the above...everyday.
Gun Control, the theory that a 110 lb. woman have the right to
fistfight with 210 lb. rapists.
A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
~I will not go quietly into the night. I will not stand by idly while the Constitution of our country, that I love so much and that so many men have died to protect, is ignored or changed. The Constitution begins “WE THE PEOPLE”, not We The Governing Body.~
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty teeth. George Washington
Without the second amendment, we wouldn't have the first very long.
"With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'."
We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling
If you can read this thank a teacher/If you can read this in english thank a soldier.
"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)0 -
I carry my 32 TomCat. She is cute and fits so nice in my holster!
My favorite gun! I'm buying it for myself for my birthday (: I like the Inox version though since I like the bling but I don't know if they make matching laser grips for it.0 -
When I go for a walk I carry my husbands Taurus super light .38. I don't live in a bad neighborhood but I do live in the woods where there are bears, coyotes, bobcats, mountain lion etc. where I live.
Shotgun is reserved for the bedroom closet for intruders. Apparently in CT they have this law where you can shoot an intruder but only if you're backed into a corner and have no way out. So basically a bedroom. Yay CT.0 -
Funny.
I was just in the gun store looking for a new holster. Currently I carry a tiny little 5 shot .22 revolver EVERYWHERE but the holster is too big.
Anyway, he tried to up-sell me on a .38 explaining that the .22 was too small.
I finally asked him "Too small for what?"
He answer "Too small to hurt anyone".
My reply was "I am pretty sure that if you got shot with this little .22, it would hurt you."
I don't know why people think you need a hand cannon (I am not suggesting a .38 is a large weapon) to be effective.
Yes, in a gunfight, I would MUCH rather have my .357. Hell, in that case, my Mini-14 but, the .22 will work when needed.0 -
an Asp (Extend-A-Baton)
to a hand gun.
you a cop?
If backpacking I have a knife, but as a tool not a weapon. other than that no, I can talk my way out of most any situation. I have done a lot of election work walking in all sorts of neighbor hood and never came across a time I was not able to resolve or lessen a tense situation. and that is with me being a dorky looking dude in heavy gang neighbor hoods.
just lucky I guess.
Sidetracking completely here but nice to see some else involved in electioneering. Besides having a dog set on me, I've never had any real aggression on the doorstep (mind you we back away long before it gets to that point) but then people are less likely to pick on a girl.
I have however canvassed tower blocks where you have to avoid the syringes left in letter boxes... And someone had a tv set thrown out of a window near them.0 -
interesting scotty. when i was raped, it was at gun point. kind of wished there was gun control in SA at the time. . .
i'd kind of rather you didn't use sexual violence to prop up this kind of macho bull****, ta.0 -
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interesting scotty. when i was raped, it was at gun point. kind of wished there was gun control in SA at the time. . .
i'd kind of rather you didn't use sexual violence to prop up this kind of macho bull****, ta.
I am sorry for what happened to you. It is something no one should ever have to go through. I think people who commit those crimes should be castrated and electrocuted to death. But, in my opinion and experience, having my carry weapon has saved me from situations where I most likely would've been the victim of rape /mugging. Keeping me safe from sexual violence is the main reason I carry. I have no issues giving a mugger my purse and letting him runaway with it. I do, however, have an issue giving a rapist my dignity and my health. And the one time I swore I was going to be raped and probably cut into little pieces and thrown in the Everglades, I pretended to be looking for my keys, drew my weapon on him and managed to scare him off. All the while, he was holding a .38 to my head. I don't think Scott meant to use it as a reason to promote our 2nd amendment, I think it's simply the sad truth. Kudos to those that have managed to walk away from acts of violence, regardless of the nature, without a defense weapon. In the end, it's staying alive that matters.0 -
i take my BFG 9000 everywhere.
Nice- loved Doom (and the Lost series too- avatar)0 -
Lmao! Only when I'm pissed off and then I'm armed with my grumpy/sulky face which can be dangerously annoying! Lol!
Otherwise you'd have to annoy the crap outta me to find out! Lol!
On a serious note, I have a deafening alarm on my phone which I have at the ready...it's certainly NOT quiet. Best I got that's legal.
To add - just read previous post. That's no laughing matter. My first reaction at the title was light hearted. But upon reading previous post, wish I hadn't. Sorry for your story - i do take things like that seriously.0 -
Once my permit comes it will be a Ruger SR9c or a Kahr CM9 (next purchase) or a Colt Cobra as needed, but mostly on road trips.
ETA: I don't really need one for running as I usually run with my husband and/or on a busy street at a busy time of day in a low crime area. When we go for hikes in the mountains we also stay on frequented trails. If not, one or both of us would be open carrying for sure.0 -
interesting scotty. when i was raped, it was at gun point. kind of wished there was gun control in SA at the time. . .
i'd kind of rather you didn't use sexual violence to prop up this kind of macho bull****, ta.
I am sorry for what happened to you. It is something no one should ever have to go through. I think people who commit those crimes should be castrated and electrocuted to death. But, in my opinion and experience, having my carry weapon has saved me from situations where I most likely would've been the victim of rape /mugging. Keeping me safe from sexual violence is the main reason I carry. I have no issues giving a mugger my purse and letting him runaway with it. I do, however, have an issue giving a rapist my dignity and my health. And the one time I swore I was going to be raped and probably cut into little pieces and thrown in the Everglades, I pretended to be looking for my keys, drew my weapon on him and managed to scare him off. All the while, he was holding a .38 to my head. I don't think Scott meant to use it as a reason to promote our 2nd amendment, I think it's simply the sad truth. Kudos to those that have managed to walk away from acts of violence, regardless of the nature, without a defense weapon. In the end, it's staying alive that matters.
Actually, I am a very staunch advocate of the 2nd amendment. I am truly sorry that were a victim of a horrible crime, but do you really think gun control applies to criminals? They will get firearms, knives, bats, etc. because they are CRIMINALS!!!. Now, I will get off my soapbox, if you get off yours.0 -
Nothing, I am pretty able to rip open someones *kitten* if I must... as for the rest, I live in the Uk and an Umbreall can be pretty painful when it hits you straight into the weak spots
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Kind of turns my stomach to hear people talk about their 'favourite' gun and the collection they have at home. The gun culture is self-propelling. You gave people guns to start with, and now you can't take them away because the 'bad' people wouldn't hand them in. Although I understand the reason as to why you can't outlaw guns now, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and is one of the reasons I never intend to visit the US.0
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It's not the only reason, but I think the whole gun stuff has gone too far. People don't seem to realise that once a life is taken, you can't just reload the game and start all over.
All fair enough, I learned how to use a gun, I can shoot, but, I'd never use it other than as the last resort - I wouldn't even have a gun handy. But than, this is Europe, not the Grand US and A ^^0 -
Its not just the United States people. Gun violence is everywhere. Except Great Britain, apparently.
Oops...forgot about that whole Northern Ireland thing......0 -
Its not just the United States people. Gun violence is everywhere. Except Great Britain, apparently.
Oops...forgot about that whole Northern Ireland thing......
Having travelled to France, Belgium, Norway, Spain, the Canary Islands, Scotland, Ireland and Wales, I can assure you that gun violence isn't 'everywhere'. Guns give too much power to volatile people in volatile situations and while it's true that guns are available everywhere if you have the right contacts, their proliferation in America is the greatest cause of widespread gun violence.0
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