Home school vs public school?
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I do'nt think anybody said that formal schooling was horrible. Just that homeschooling is also a valid option.
I disagree - many people on here have said that formal school was "horrible, and the worst experience of my life", painting a broad brush of discontent all over this thread. It gives the impression that there are NO good teachers out there, teachers hate kids, don't deal with bullies, want to snoop into childrens' lives, etc.
I'm just here to put in a good word for the profession. I am very proud to be a teacher, and I hold my head up high every day, despite overly involved helicopter parents who demand their children be placed on some undeserving pedestal, demand lessons that are "fun and engaging" every day, demand we discipline them (or don't discipline them as harshly because little Johnny got his feelings hurt because he was asked to do chores -- the HORROR!) because "they won't listen to me", expect us to make ZERO mistakes, complain to the principal at the drop of a hat, etc. etc. etc.
And when said parents don't get their demands met, they blame the teachers for not doing their jobs and yank them out of school because "only I know what's good for my child". Of course those of us who have trained for years to learn all sorts of valuable information about the raising and educating of children (many of us parents ourselves) KNOW NOTHING.
You should be proud of your profession! And I do understand your frustration with some parents. But just as you want parents to understand that you are a trained professional and you have a lot of knowledge about education, you also need to realize that parents also want that same respect. And sometimes, if a parent believes that homeschooling is best for her child, it's ok for a professional teacher to step back and respect that decision. Because as a teacher, I'm sure you realize that not all children are alike. Some really do have different needs, and sometimes those needs aren't being met by the school district, not because the teachers are bad, but because sometimes the bureaucracy and the regulations prevent teachers from doing everything they'd like to do. And sometimes a child's anxiety gets in the way of his education, so it might be best for that child to not be in that school environment, at least for a while. And sometimes the parents just really want to take charge of the child's education, and that's ok. The important thing should be what's best for the individual child, without getting bent out of shape because we feel slighted that a parent thinks they know better than the teacher. It doesn't always have to be a pissing contest between teachers and parents. Sometimes it is, and the parents set it up that way. But it doesn't have to be about that. It SHOULD be about the child, always. And if that means homeschooling, that's not a slight on teachers everywhere. It just means that for this child, this family, in this situation, homeschooling makes more sense than public school. Period.
You are absolutely correct, which is why I get so angry when broad brush generalizations are made about education - be it home school or institutionalized. The CHILD is the focus here, always has been and always will be, in my eyes. Whether it's your child or mine, it is all about what is in THEIR best interest.
Which is exactly why I don't understand the sweeping generalizations of homeschooling and unschooling, namely that homeschooled kids will grow up with no social skills and a one-dimensional education. I think that's just as bad as saying that all public schools are awful. You can't get upset about one stereotype while perpetuating another. I mean, I guess you can, but it doesn't make much sense, IMO.
My public school experience was a poor one. I think I would have been better off homeschooled than to go to that school. THAT school. Not just ANY school. So even though my personal experience was difficult, I'm working toward my teaching certification, and plan to work in a public school. Because I do believe in public schools, when they're working. But they don't always work. My daughter had a HORRIBLE time with social anxiety this year in kindergarten, to the point that she was having a breakdown every day after school. Luckily, she had an awesome teacher and principal who worked with her and helped her overcome it, and now she's thriving in school. But if she'd had a teacher who wasn't willing to work with her, I would have had to take her out of that school, because allowing her to feel that every day with no help would have been damaging. There are SO many awesome teachers out there, and there are so many awesome schools and districts. But not everyone is so blessed to have wonderful teachers and administration helping them out. And even if they do, public schooling is still not right for every child.
I can't imagine ANY teacher not willing to help a kindergartner with social anxiety. That comes with training and is an expectation of the role of teacher. My age group of students (middle school) come with a different set of psycho-social requirements, that being understanding about puberty, hormones, sexual changes, mood swings, self image, etc. We are trained in child development to recognize what each child needs at the ages we teach. That is the primary focus of teacher training - content is secondary, in my opinion.0 -
I can't imagine ANY teacher not willing to help a kindergartner with social anxiety. That comes with training and is an expectation of the role of teacher. My age group of students (middle school) come with a different set of psycho-social requirements, that being understanding about puberty, hormones, sexual changes, mood swings, self image, etc. We are trained in child development to recognize what each child needs at the ages we teach. That is the primary focus of teacher training - content is secondary, in my opinion.
You can't imagine it? Well I had one. I had another one in first grade.
I know my experience is not the norm. But it does happen. So in a situation like that, if the school is unwilling or unable to help, homeschooling ROCKS.0 -
I can't imagine ANY teacher not willing to help a kindergartner with social anxiety. That comes with training and is an expectation of the role of teacher. My age group of students (middle school) come with a different set of psycho-social requirements, that being understanding about puberty, hormones, sexual changes, mood swings, self image, etc. We are trained in child development to recognize what each child needs at the ages we teach. That is the primary focus of teacher training - content is secondary, in my opinion.
You can't imagine it? Well I had one. I had another one in first grade.
I know my experience is not the norm. But it does happen. So in a situation like that, if the school is unwilling or unable to help, homeschooling ROCKS.
Again, I don't understand why folks keep coming back to an "us versus them" point of view. All I said was that I can't believe a kindergarten teacher would do that, and even a first grade teacher. However, by 6th grade, those behaviors need to be addressed. Harsh? Not really. I have a student this year (6th grade) who is the most needy, whiny, wimpy cry baby I've ever met. Try to correct him? He pouts, puts his head down on his desk and bursts into tears. Try to critique his writing in a good way? "My teacher hates me! Wah, wah wah!" He has been mollycoddled his whole life and now that he is older and those behaviors are starting to affect his relationships, he is having tremendous social problems. Is it my job to help him through this? Yes, but only so far. The rest is up to him -- he needs to stop acting like a four year old and thinking he can get away with it with me - because he is old enough to know better and old enough to change his behaviors.0 -
I can't imagine ANY teacher not willing to help a kindergartner with social anxiety. That comes with training and is an expectation of the role of teacher. My age group of students (middle school) come with a different set of psycho-social requirements, that being understanding about puberty, hormones, sexual changes, mood swings, self image, etc. We are trained in child development to recognize what each child needs at the ages we teach. That is the primary focus of teacher training - content is secondary, in my opinion.
You can't imagine it? Well I had one. I had another one in first grade.
I know my experience is not the norm. But it does happen. So in a situation like that, if the school is unwilling or unable to help, homeschooling ROCKS.
Again, I don't understand why folks keep coming back to an "us versus them" point of view. All I said was that I can't believe a kindergarten teacher would do that, and even a first grade teacher. However, by 6th grade, those behaviors need to be addressed. Harsh? Not really. I have a student this year (6th grade) who is the most needy, whiny, wimpy cry baby I've ever met. Try to correct him? He pouts, puts his head down on his desk and bursts into tears. Try to critique his writing in a good way? "My teacher hates me! Wah, wah wah!" He has been mollycoddled his whole life and now that he is older and those behaviors are starting to affect his relationships, he is having tremendous social problems. Is it my job to help him through this? Yes, but only so far. The rest is up to him -- he needs to stop acting like a four year old and thinking he can get away with it with me - because he is old enough to know better and old enough to change his behaviors.
It's probably because homeschooling families are often stigmatized (as can be seen here on this very thread) and the families that opt to homeschool use it as a defense mechanism... or maybe it's because the schools in this country are no where near as perfect as those in the educational establishment like to believe or think.... or it could be a combination of both (which is where I lie, opinion wise)... It's because of the educational establishment proverbially looking down on those that choose an alternative form of schooling, that that those that do opt for alternative forms must defend it tooth and nail. We are all stigmatized as "ignorant", "bible-thumpers" (even though athiests also homeschool as do pagans, and people from many other religious (or non) sects and beliefs), "socially-awkward", and the list goes on, all the time. Thus we feel that we also must stigmatize the establishment. That's not to say in either instance the views aren't true... I had HORRIBLE teachers for first, second, and third grade... I had teachers that one would swear they are smoking crack... male teachers that hated girls... teachers that would take the sides of the kids that had the more powerful parents, regardless of who was in the right.... Then, when we moved back stateside and my parents were getting ready to put us into the public school system again, they heard stories of knifings and other acts of violence in the school we were about to enter (never mind the fact that none of my friends where involved even after 6 degrees of seperation) and they got scared... Thankfully, it turned into a Texas Robin Tax success story (which there aren't many of those sadly) and it is one of the better schools in the area, but by then it was too late.
Now at this very moment we do plan on putting our children into the public school systems... I have even voted in favor of our schools when it came to bond elections (and will continue to do so when necessary)... We live in one of the better school districts in the State. But, if there ever comes a time when my children are not getting what they need from our school system or they feel in anyway uncomfortable at school, I will not hesitate to teach my child(ren) at home. Because I (along with most every other parent that teaches at home) want whats best for my child(ren).0 -
I can't imagine ANY teacher not willing to help a kindergartner with social anxiety. That comes with training and is an expectation of the role of teacher. My age group of students (middle school) come with a different set of psycho-social requirements, that being understanding about puberty, hormones, sexual changes, mood swings, self image, etc. We are trained in child development to recognize what each child needs at the ages we teach. That is the primary focus of teacher training - content is secondary, in my opinion.
You can't imagine it? Well I had one. I had another one in first grade.
I know my experience is not the norm. But it does happen. So in a situation like that, if the school is unwilling or unable to help, homeschooling ROCKS.
Again, I don't understand why folks keep coming back to an "us versus them" point of view. All I said was that I can't believe a kindergarten teacher would do that, and even a first grade teacher. However, by 6th grade, those behaviors need to be addressed. Harsh? Not really. I have a student this year (6th grade) who is the most needy, whiny, wimpy cry baby I've ever met. Try to correct him? He pouts, puts his head down on his desk and bursts into tears. Try to critique his writing in a good way? "My teacher hates me! Wah, wah wah!" He has been mollycoddled his whole life and now that he is older and those behaviors are starting to affect his relationships, he is having tremendous social problems. Is it my job to help him through this? Yes, but only so far. The rest is up to him -- he needs to stop acting like a four year old and thinking he can get away with it with me - because he is old enough to know better and old enough to change his behaviors.
I wasn't trying to go back to an "us vs. them." I kind of assumed you'd remember my other posts in which I've said, numerous times, that I support public schooling and private schooling, that I'm studying to become a teacher myself, that my child attends a public school that I love. I was simply pointing out that sometimes, SOMETIMES, schools fail. Sometimes teachers fail. Sometimes a student just isnt' cut out for public school. SOMETIMES. And homeschooling is a viable option for those times.
As far as your "cry baby" -- I get you, to an extent. But have you thought that maybe there's something else going on there? And no, it's not your job to fix everything. But it is your job to be understanding and make an attempt. By being firm but loving, which I'm sure you do, and by talking with his parents if necessary, which I'm sure you also do. You can't fix everything, but you also can't assume that his behavior is due to his being mollycoddled. Kids are born with personalities, and sometimes nothing you do as parent OR teacher will change things. For instance, my son has a real anger problem. We do the best we can to address it, but his first reaction to an upsetting situation is still instant rage. He didn't learn it, he was born with it. So now my job is not to change his personality, but to teach him to manage his anger and channel it in a productive, reasonable way.0 -
I can't imagine ANY teacher not willing to help a kindergartner with social anxiety. That comes with training and is an expectation of the role of teacher. My age group of students (middle school) come with a different set of psycho-social requirements, that being understanding about puberty, hormones, sexual changes, mood swings, self image, etc. We are trained in child development to recognize what each child needs at the ages we teach. That is the primary focus of teacher training - content is secondary, in my opinion.
You can't imagine it? Well I had one. I had another one in first grade.
I know my experience is not the norm. But it does happen. So in a situation like that, if the school is unwilling or unable to help, homeschooling ROCKS.
Again, I don't understand why folks keep coming back to an "us versus them" point of view. All I said was that I can't believe a kindergarten teacher would do that, and even a first grade teacher. However, by 6th grade, those behaviors need to be addressed. Harsh? Not really. I have a student this year (6th grade) who is the most needy, whiny, wimpy cry baby I've ever met. Try to correct him? He pouts, puts his head down on his desk and bursts into tears. Try to critique his writing in a good way? "My teacher hates me! Wah, wah wah!" He has been mollycoddled his whole life and now that he is older and those behaviors are starting to affect his relationships, he is having tremendous social problems. Is it my job to help him through this? Yes, but only so far. The rest is up to him -- he needs to stop acting like a four year old and thinking he can get away with it with me - because he is old enough to know better and old enough to change his behaviors.
I wasn't trying to go back to an "us vs. them." I kind of assumed you'd remember my other posts in which I've said, numerous times, that I support public schooling and private schooling, that I'm studying to become a teacher myself, that my child attends a public school that I love. I was simply pointing out that sometimes, SOMETIMES, schools fail. Sometimes teachers fail. Sometimes a student just isnt' cut out for public school. SOMETIMES. And homeschooling is a viable option for those times.
As far as your "cry baby" -- I get you, to an extent. But have you thought that maybe there's something else going on there? And no, it's not your job to fix everything. But it is your job to be understanding and make an attempt. By being firm but loving, which I'm sure you do, and by talking with his parents if necessary, which I'm sure you also do. You can't fix everything, but you also can't assume that his behavior is due to his being mollycoddled. Kids are born with personalities, and sometimes nothing you do as parent OR teacher will change things. For instance, my son has a real anger problem. We do the best we can to address it, but his first reaction to an upsetting situation is still instant rage. He didn't learn it, he was born with it. So now my job is not to change his personality, but to teach him to manage his anger and channel it in a productive, reasonable way.
I've been working with the parents all year long, and we've agreed that something is going on here that needs to be addressed in therapy. I can't make such suggestions like that, as it is not my place or call (not a nurse or a therapist). The best I can do is continue to let his parents know about his behavior so they can talk to him about it.
Not to be rude, but I'm curious to know how a baby is "born" with anger issues. Children are blank tablets, and unless there is genetic cause for it, it is my understanding that anger is a learned behavior, not an inherited one. I could be entirely wrong though.0 -
I've been working with the parents all year long, and we've agreed that something is going on here that needs to be addressed in therapy. I can't make such suggestions like that, as it is not my place or call (not a nurse or a therapist). The best I can do is continue to let his parents know about his behavior so they can talk to him about it.
Not to be rude, but I'm curious to know how a baby is "born" with anger issues. Children are blank tablets, and unless there is genetic cause for it, it is my understanding that anger is a learned behavior, not an inherited one. I could be entirely wrong though.
Children are not blank tablets. Some portion of personality and behavior is genetic. Which is why my oldest has been a pleaser from day one, always smiling, but nervous with new people (hence the social anxiety). And why my son is a ray of sunshine, until he's unhappy and then it's all rage, all the time, and has always been that way. John Locke's "tabula rasa" theory, while valuable in many ways, has been largely discredited by numerous child psychologists through the years, and most believe that personality is a combination of nature AND nurture, not one or the other. And as far as the anger, anger is a real emotion that everyone has, and people express anger differently. He happens to express it often, and sometimes violently. He used to bite. Nobody bit him, so obviously he didn't learn it from us. Now he no longer bites, and he's stopped throwing and hitting, because WE have taught him to get it under control. But he still feels the rage. It's just a feeling. Everybody has them.0 -
To the "professional education" fans who have dismissed the credentials of a mother's ability to educate her children at home, I'll remind them that while they have four to six years of collegiate instruction in general instruction methods, a stay-at-home mother has six years of very specialized instruction regarding how THAT child learns and the best way to instruct THAT child to learn the required material.
I have great respect for teachers, and their ability to teach a classroom full of average children en masse, but they also need to have respect for the time and years that a mother has put into learning how to teach her child in particular.
My two cents on the whole "credential" thing...0 -
If children come into the world as 'blank slates', my daughter came in as a howling, discontented one. To this day, when things are unexpected or not to her liking, she tends to react quickly and often assumes the worst. In retrospect, a maternity nurse tried to warn me as diplomatically as possible, but I didn't realize this until years later. I do believe temperament is strongly influenced by genetics and can be apparent from early infancy.0
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If children come into the world as 'blank slates', my daughter came in as a howling, discontented one. To this day, when things are unexpected or not to her liking, she tends to react quickly and often assumes the worst. In retrospect, a maternity nurse tried to warn me as diplomatically as possible, but I didn't realize this until years later. I do believe temperament is strongly influenced by genetics and can be apparent from early infancy.
Ditto, sister-- holy Hannah-- thank God HE he had mercy on me. I had nine children, and every other one, like clockwork, was super high maintenance right out of the chute. Easygoing infant/terror/easygoing/terror-- right down to my last one... Easygoing.
I couldn't have handled 9 terrors!
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More proof that public schools have nothing for bright kids:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/28/girl-6-is-youngest-ever-i_n_1550980.html0 -
More proof that public schools have nothing for bright kids:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/28/girl-6-is-youngest-ever-i_n_1550980.html
Personally, I find it irresponsible that these parents won't put their precious little princess into public school to be bullied and held back. 0 -
More proof that public schools have nothing for bright kids:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/28/girl-6-is-youngest-ever-i_n_1550980.html
Personally, I find it irresponsible that these parents won't put their precious little princess into public school to be bullied and held back.
Right. Getting bullied and into fights is part of the American experience. It puts hair on your chest.0 -
no offense to anyone that is home schooled or home schooling their children, I know what your thinking here comes the insult. Well you're right. I haven't met many people that are home schooled but the ones that I have are all socially awkward. That's just my opinion based on a limited experience.
How do you know who is and isn't homeschooled? Maybe you have met a lot of homeschooled people but don't know it. It's like saying something about gay people... we interact with them everyday and don't know it, so how can you make judgements?0 -
my homeschooled friends are awkward but smart. make sure she does something outside of home too - sport, art club, whatever. education comes first. also possibly have her look into alternative schools and un-schooling
That's a shame. I feel sorry that the friends' parents didn't do more to encourage social interaction. =(
I think it's also one of the biggest misconceptions across the board -- I was homeschooled, and my mom took me to a co-op group weekly. I went on dates, did sports, etc. If anything, it really honed my ability to make friends. I had to put myself out there. I feel like when children are dropped into a situation like a classroom, friend making becomes very easy. Almost to ensure mutual survival. That's just my opinion.
You get what you put into it. By college, I was in a sorority. I became president my junior year. Hardly fits the awkward stereotype.
To give a little more background, I was "unschooled" to an extent.0 -
As a certified, licensed school teacher, I am always concerned when parents pull their children out of regular school and say they will be "homeschooling" their child from that point forward.
Just like most licensed and certified doctors wouldn't agree with most of our diets. It's a new day. The public at large has access to more information now than ever before. People can network easier. From my experience, ALL of the homeschooled people I know are persons of great integrity (isn't this important these days?) who you can trust and respect. A few are what we would call "socially awkward", but isn't that better than being morally bankrupt and a drain on society? I think we are better off as a civilization from homeschooling. Especially given the quality of teachers as a whole these days. (Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vjpWaESn_9g )0 -
As a certified, licensed school teacher, I am always concerned when parents pull their children out of regular school and say they will be "homeschooling" their child from that point forward.
From my experience, ALL of the homeschooled people I know are persons of great integrity (isn't this important these days?) who you can trust and respect. A few are what we would call "socially awkward", but isn't that better than being morally bankrupt and a drain on society? I think we are better off as a civilization from homeschooling. Especially given the quality of teachers as a whole these days. (Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vjpWaESn_9g )
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To the "professional education" fans who have dismissed the credentials of a mother's ability to educate her children at home, I'll remind them that while they have four to six years of collegiate instruction in general instruction methods, a stay-at-home mother has six years of very specialized instruction regarding how THAT child learns and the best way to instruct THAT child to learn the required material.
I have great respect for teachers, and their ability to teach a classroom full of average children en masse, but they also need to have respect for the time and years that a mother has put into learning how to teach her child in particular.
My two cents on the whole "credential" thing...
I always laugh when people try to use credentials to try and justify their viewpoint. Especially when it comes from a place of not understanding the other side: I've never ever EVER met a homeschooling family that wasn't competent. My mom had an associate degree, but I still came out at the top of my class in college for biology. Damn those mothers without teaching certification, they really hold back their children intellectually! /sarcasm
The truth is, people who use comments like "as a teacher," or "as a doctor" usually tend to use it to give some sort of credentials to their limited world view. I actually had a doctor who tried to discourage my nursing a large baby because "he's nto getting enough," then when I pointed out my son is gaining weight, thriving, etc, he said "I'm the doctor, not you!" Unbelievable.
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I am extremely against homeschool, particularly if the child is socially awkward. Surely it will only make her worse. My husband was homeschooled and he still has difficulty opening up to people, he hates that he never went to normal school.
Perhaps if she is awkward have you thought of an independent school with smaller classes, my daughter goes to one and there are only 10 in the class .
I strongly believe going to school is not just about the 3 R's, people makes lifetime friends at school and the extracurricular activities offered nowadays are fantastic. She will miss out on many opportunities if she is homeschooled.
I guess you can't just lump all schools, and all homeschooling , together. Schools vary wildly, and homeschooling is really going to vary depending on how it is managed by the parents. I found out a good friend of mine went to the same high school as me, I hated it she loved it. But just because I hated school, I sure as hell wouldn't have been happier being homeschooled.
As someone who currently works from home the isolation of spending such a large portion of time at home I don't think is healthy long term.0 -
Fiona-- you have no idea if you'd have been happier being home schooled. You might have thrived. You may have found other home schooled friends and loved the entire experience. Who knows? Just because your husband hated his experience, doesn't mean you would have. As you've read here, a lot of people love it.
Your point, though, of not lumping everything together is wise. There are good teachers. There are good public schools. There are good home schools. There are bad teachers. There are bad public schools. There are bad home schools.
Thankfully, although the government is trying, we are not a "one size fits all" country. What works for you, may not for me, and vice versa--0 -
I am extremely against homeschool, particularly if the child is socially awkward. Surely it will only make her worse. My husband was homeschooled and he still has difficulty opening up to people, he hates that he never went to normal school.
Perhaps if she is awkward have you thought of an independent school with smaller classes, my daughter goes to one and there are only 10 in the class .
I strongly believe going to school is not just about the 3 R's, people makes lifetime friends at school and the extracurricular activities offered nowadays are fantastic. She will miss out on many opportunities if she is homeschooled.
I guess you can't just lump all schools, and all homeschooling , together. Schools vary wildly, and homeschooling is really going to vary depending on how it is managed by the parents. I found out a good friend of mine went to the same high school as me, I hated it she loved it. But just because I hated school, I sure as hell wouldn't have been happier being homeschooled.
As someone who currently works from home the isolation of spending such a large portion of time at home I don't think is healthy long term.
I know very little can be said to sway you but I prove your theory wrong.
I was shy. Anxiety ridden. I NEVER spoke. EVER. I was in a little shell and public school made that shell WORSE because I got picked on, teased and the like. I was pulled out in Grade 4 and spent the rest of my days in homeschooling.
I am not socially awkward. I do not have any problem integrating with 'society'. Most people are shocked to hear I was homeschooled (usually people who have stupid pre-conceived ideas about homeschoolers).
I agree with your other point. There are bad schools and good ones. Not all public schools are bad because one is and not all homeschool situations are bad because some were. People really need to pay attention to and listen to their children. For some kids homeschooling IS the best option, for others public school is but unless you're paying attention to your kids you'll never realize that the path you've chosen isn't ideal.0 -
We home school and we are constantly on the go. My children have been in martial arts. They go to home school P.E. twice a week, co-op once a week. They are about to start golf lessons. They interact with kids from church at least 3 times a week. They are in 4-H, serving as council members.
Home schoolers are NOT isolated. I am so tired of hearing, "What about socialization?" from people who have not home schooled. What about it? I guess if you consider hearing all kinds of filthy language in public school restrooms, hearing about drinking parties, sex and drugs, then, yeah, my kids are EXTREMELY unsocialized! Thank you very much! *slams head against wall*0 -
Thank you, countrymom-- you know, and not to mention....you know, we actually DO live in civilization. My kids are outside, every day, "socializing" with the dozen or so neighbor kids they play with.0
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I am extremely against homeschool, particularly if the child is socially awkward. Surely it will only make her worse. My husband was homeschooled and he still has difficulty opening up to people, he hates that he never went to normal school.
Perhaps if she is awkward have you thought of an independent school with smaller classes, my daughter goes to one and there are only 10 in the class .
I strongly believe going to school is not just about the 3 R's, people makes lifetime friends at school and the extracurricular activities offered nowadays are fantastic. She will miss out on many opportunities if she is homeschooled.
I guess you can't just lump all schools, and all homeschooling , together. Schools vary wildly, and homeschooling is really going to vary depending on how it is managed by the parents. I found out a good friend of mine went to the same high school as me, I hated it she loved it. But just because I hated school, I sure as hell wouldn't have been happier being homeschooled.
As someone who currently works from home the isolation of spending such a large portion of time at home I don't think is healthy long term.
I was homeschooled and I have no problem with socializing. I had zero problem making friends in college or speaking up in class. I work for a state rep and I can assure you that I have no hangups when it comes to talking to new people and striking conversation with total strangers. Homeschooling doesn't make one an introvert. This generalization is about as ridiculous as people thinking you get good grades just because your parents are the one's grading your work.
Your husband might have not like the experience, but he is in the minority of people who homeschooled. Look at the po0 -
I am extremely against homeschool, particularly if the child is socially awkward. Surely it will only make her worse. My husband was homeschooled and he still has difficulty opening up to people, he hates that he never went to normal school.
Perhaps if she is awkward have you thought of an independent school with smaller classes, my daughter goes to one and there are only 10 in the class .
I strongly believe going to school is not just about the 3 R's, people makes lifetime friends at school and the extracurricular activities offered nowadays are fantastic. She will miss out on many opportunities if she is homeschooled.
I guess you can't just lump all schools, and all homeschooling , together. Schools vary wildly, and homeschooling is really going to vary depending on how it is managed by the parents. I found out a good friend of mine went to the same high school as me, I hated it she loved it. But just because I hated school, I sure as hell wouldn't have been happier being homeschooled.
As someone who currently works from home the isolation of spending such a large portion of time at home I don't think is healthy long term.
I was homeschooled and I have no problem with socializing. I had zero problem making friends in college or speaking up in class. I work for a state rep and I can assure you that I have no hangups when it comes to talking to new people and striking conversation with total strangers. Homeschooling doesn't make one an introvert. This generalization is about as ridiculous as people thinking you get good grades just because your parents are the one's grading your work.
Your husband might have not like the experience, but he is in the minority of people who homeschooled. Look at the po
Yay! More and more colleges and employers are looking for homeschoolers (per articles I have read).
Doesn't it infuriate you to hear the socially awkward phrase? What does it mean? If it means my kids can have a stimulating conversation, good grades, articulate, etc, I WANT my kids to be socially awkward.
Per the first quote, I went to public school all my life. I am introverted. So the public school made me that way??? I have trouble opening up to people. hmmm, can I blame the public school? Or can I say " all kids that go to public schools are druggies".0 -
I am extremely against homeschool, particularly if the child is socially awkward. Surely it will only make her worse. My husband was homeschooled and he still has difficulty opening up to people, he hates that he never went to normal school.
Perhaps if she is awkward have you thought of an independent school with smaller classes, my daughter goes to one and there are only 10 in the class .
I strongly believe going to school is not just about the 3 R's, people makes lifetime friends at school and the extracurricular activities offered nowadays are fantastic. She will miss out on many opportunities if she is homeschooled.
I guess you can't just lump all schools, and all homeschooling , together. Schools vary wildly, and homeschooling is really going to vary depending on how it is managed by the parents. I found out a good friend of mine went to the same high school as me, I hated it she loved it. But just because I hated school, I sure as hell wouldn't have been happier being homeschooled.
As someone who currently works from home the isolation of spending such a large portion of time at home I don't think is healthy long term.
I was homeschooled and I have no problem with socializing. I had zero problem making friends in college or speaking up in class. I work for a state rep and I can assure you that I have no hangups when it comes to talking to new people and striking conversation with total strangers. Homeschooling doesn't make one an introvert. This generalization is about as ridiculous as people thinking you get good grades just because your parents are the one's grading your work.
Your husband might have not like the experience, but he is in the minority of people who homeschooled. Look at the po
Yay! More and more colleges and employers are looking for homeschoolers (per articles I have read).
Doesn't it infuriate you to hear the socially awkward phrase? What does it mean? If it means my kids can have a stimulating conversation, good grades, articulate, etc, I WANT my kids to be socially awkward.
Per the first quote, I went to public school all my life. I am introverted. So the public school made me that way??? I have trouble opening up to people. hmmm, can I blame the public school? Or can I say " all kids that go to public schools are druggies".
Indeed--
my "socially awkward," like, kids, um, can, like, talk, um, to, like, people, like, of all, like, ages without, like, talking, like, like the average, like, idiot, like, teen! Ya know what I'm sayin'?
Can you imagine??!!
They actually have decent vocabularies and spelling, and can indeed carry on conversations-- polite conversations-- with anybody.
Three cheers for social awkwardness!0 -
no offense to anyone that is home schooled or home schooling their children, I know what your thinking here comes the insult. Well you're right. I haven't met many people that are home schooled but the ones that I have are all socially awkward. That's just my opinion based on a limited experience.
How do you know who is and isn't homeschooled? Maybe you have met a lot of homeschooled people but don't know it. It's like saying something about gay people... we interact with them everyday and don't know it, so how can you make judgements?
I have to laugh at this. It's great to see the looks
I get when ever someone asks my son what grade
he's in, and if he likes school. They always ask
"What school do you go to?" When he tells them
that he is homeschooled, they're almost always
caught off gaurd.
My son is very social!
Even when he was 4 (8 now) people would ask
my son "How are you doing little man?" His standard
answer is the same today as it was four years ago...
"Doing pretty good..." Heck we take him to concerts,
parties, (when there're other kids) just about every
where we go, so does he. We do not shelter him at
all. Like I said, when the neighbor's kids track out
from public school, that's when he gets a break.
Plus he palys with friends after school, and on
weekends.
It's a plus that he can carry on a conversation with
adults. Heck, you should hear him give a rag chew
on a local repeater, or talk to someone in another
part of the world over the air!
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no offense to anyone that is home schooled or home schooling their children, I know what your thinking here comes the insult. Well you're right. I haven't met many people that are home schooled but the ones that I have are all socially awkward. That's just my opinion based on a limited experience.
How do you know who is and isn't homeschooled? Maybe you have met a lot of homeschooled people but don't know it. It's like saying something about gay people... we interact with them everyday and don't know it, so how can you make judgements?
I have to laugh at this. It's great to see the looks
I get when ever someone asks my son what grade
he's in, and if he likes school. They always ask
"What school do you go to?" When he tells them
that he is homeschooled, they're almost always
caught off gaurd.
My son is very social!
Even when he was 4 (8 now) people would ask
my son "How are you doing little man?" His standard
answer is the same today as it was four years ago...
"Doing pretty good..." Heck we take him to concerts,
parties, (when there're other kids) just about every
where we go, so does he. We do not shelter him at
all. Like I said, when the neighbor's kids track out
from public school, that's when he gets a break.
Plus he palys with friends after school, and on
weekends.
It's a plus that he can carry on a conversation with
adults. Heck, you should hear him give a rag chew
on a local repeater, or talk to someone in another
part of the world over the air!
YES! My teen kids can carry on conversations with people of any age. My 7 year old talks up a storm to people. She caught a H.S. English teacher caught off guard using the word "apparently". She was impressed but not me. I thought her vocabulary was normal. :bigsmile:
OH, and my 18 year old daughter completed 5 college courses her senior year and then applied for Disney World college internship. She worked there for 8 months. Typically, they do not accept students until they are older due to having a semester of college completed.
Yay for our homeschooled kids who are socially awkward :drinker:0 -
As a certified, licensed school teacher, I am always concerned when parents pull their children out of regular school and say they will be "homeschooling" their child from that point forward.
Just like most licensed and certified doctors wouldn't agree with most of our diets. It's a new day. The public at large has access to more information now than ever before. People can network easier. From my experience, ALL of the homeschooled people I know are persons of great integrity (isn't this important these days?) who you can trust and respect. A few are what we would call "socially awkward", but isn't that better than being morally bankrupt and a drain on society? I think we are better off as a civilization from homeschooling. Especially given the quality of teachers as a whole these days. (Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vjpWaESn_9g )
You're amazing.0 -
I am extremely against homeschool, particularly if the child is socially awkward. Surely it will only make her worse. My husband was homeschooled and he still has difficulty opening up to people, he hates that he never went to normal school.
Perhaps if she is awkward have you thought of an independent school with smaller classes, my daughter goes to one and there are only 10 in the class .
I strongly believe going to school is not just about the 3 R's, people makes lifetime friends at school and the extracurricular activities offered nowadays are fantastic. She will miss out on many opportunities if she is homeschooled.
Umm, not necessarily? I was a very vibrant, happy child. And guess what state schools done to me (amongst other things)? Turned me into a socially awkward wreck who hates herself and suffers from depression. I was bullied, marginalised and excluded in all five schools I went to.0
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