Looking for Feminist Friends
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Well, this has been interesting, peeps. I have 5 kids and a husband to make brekkie for and drop off at 3 different schools and work in the morning, so i'm off to bed. Have a great night all!
Yeah, go to bed. Then get up and make breakfast and clean the house... you subsurvient woman you!
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Please, continue to demonstrate your fundamental lack of understanding of feminism.0 -
Thankyou I shall, as you continue to demonstrate your complete lack of humour!0
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Thankyou I shall, as you continue to demonstrate your complete lack of humour!
What can I say i'm practicing to become a feminist. :laugh:
Dang it I was supposed to go to bed! :laugh:0 -
I am not sure why ALL Women don't call themselves feminists.
Me too:) even my husband calls himself a feminist...
exactly!
same here! i feel sad for women (and men) who feel that identifying as a feminist is somehow negative. my quality of life is much greater as a direct result of the feminist household i was raised in and for the feminists before me who helped pave the way.
This.
ALL women do not call themselves Feminist because Many have BIGGER Fish to Fry FIRST. SEE, Feminist is a White Female Elitist word. Women of Color use the word Womanist (see works By Z.N. Hurston). See "we" had to FIRST deal with White Privilege (which is STILL Manifest, of which White Women are a Major Beneficiary.) White Privilege is a *****! You cab "Fling" that word (Feminist) all you want to, but until they deal with the inequities of White Privilege(and White Women renounce it) MOST of the World's women will NEVER embrace a White Woman's Definition of the word! WE have BIGGER FISH To Fry>>>FIRST! Ohhh, but YOU can't SEE that, it's about what your Spoiled Azz wants, right! I BET You and Your White Man will come together on THAT! You can afford to talk shyt when your Daddy is protecting you.
I've seen MANY WOC refer to themselves as feminist. And I've seen many feminists discuss the importance of intersectionality.
Right...Your "Many" is 3 or 4 who WATER their conversation down Just for YOU...See, WE know how that works and what WE have to Do and Say. I ALSO know some people of Color who PASS for White! That don't MAKE them White, they just doing it for the "Privileges" that come with it. WE just go along with them because W know how it IS, Right Now.
They're feminist bloggers who I've never spoken to personally, so I highly doubt they're watering things down.
And I was not disagreeing with the need for intersectionality, just stating that there ARE feminists, WOC and otherwise who will gladly fight for that much needed intersectionality.0 -
chairman, police-man, foreman, male nurse, stay at home dad, woman doctor. I could go on but one can see even in our default language our society is patriarchal, Positions of power default to the male and positions of servitude default to the woman.
Please stop with the ignorant comments. First of all, the term 'man' as a suffix to an occupation is not sexist, it is not even gender specific. The origin of the word is non-gender specific.
Also, how is 'stay at home dad' ANY different from 'stay at home mum'??
The last time I heard woman doctor would be at least 20 yrs ago.
That whole statement was basically ill-informed and unnecessary
It is not necessarily the words but rather the default sex for each sex. Or you honestly gonna tell me when I say imagine a maid you think of a man turning beds.0 -
It is not necessarily the words but rather the default sex for each sex. Or you honestly gonna tell me when I say imagine a maid you think of a man turning beds.
No I'd think of a butler for that...0 -
Well, this has been interesting, peeps. I have 5 kids and a husband to make brekkie for and drop off at 3 different schools and work in the morning, so i'm off to bed. Have a great night all!
Yeah, go to bed. Then get up and make breakfast and clean the house... you subsurvient woman you! :bigsmile:
Please, continue to demonstrate your fundamental lack of understanding of feminism.
No straw men there eh?0 -
chairman, police-man, foreman, male nurse, stay at home dad, woman doctor. I could go on but one can see even in our default language our society is patriarchal, Positions of power default to the male and positions of servitude default to the woman.
Please stop with the ignorant comments. First of all, the term 'man' as a suffix to an occupation is not sexist, it is not even gender specific. The origin of the word is non-gender specific.
Also, how is 'stay at home dad' ANY different from 'stay at home mum'??
The last time I heard woman doctor would be at least 20 yrs ago.
That whole statement was basically ill-informed and unnecessary
It is not necessarily the words but rather the default sex for each sex. Or you honestly gonna tell me when I say imagine a maid you think of a man turning beds.
No, I think of that hot french maid outfit i'm gonna wear at my goal weight one evening when my kids aren't home and my husband comes home from work. The first thing he's gonna see after a long day at work is me, on my hands and knees, scrubbing the floor, butt facing right his way...oh, sorry, TMI? :blushing:0 -
chairman, police-man, foreman, male nurse, stay at home dad, woman doctor. I could go on but one can see even in our default language our society is patriarchal, Positions of power default to the male and positions of servitude default to the woman.
Please stop with the ignorant comments. First of all, the term 'man' as a suffix to an occupation is not sexist, it is not even gender specific. The origin of the word is non-gender specific.
Also, how is 'stay at home dad' ANY different from 'stay at home mum'??
The last time I heard woman doctor would be at least 20 yrs ago.
That whole statement was basically ill-informed and unnecessary
It is not necessarily the words but rather the default sex for each sex. Or you honestly gonna tell me when I say imagine a maid you think of a man turning beds.
No, I think of that hot french maid outfit i'm gonna wear at my goal weight one evening when my kids aren't home and my husband comes home from work. The first thing he's gonna see after a long day at work is me, on my hands and knees, scrubbing the floor, butt facing right his way...oh, sorry, TMI? :blushing:
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.0 -
*cold shower*
sorry f4f, I genuinely don't understand your last comment, can you please elaborate?0 -
I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.0
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chairman, police-man, foreman, male nurse, stay at home dad, woman doctor. I could go on but one can see even in our default language our society is patriarchal, Positions of power default to the male and positions of servitude default to the woman.
Please stop with the ignorant comments. First of all, the term 'man' as a suffix to an occupation is not sexist, it is not even gender specific. The origin of the word is non-gender specific.
Also, how is 'stay at home dad' ANY different from 'stay at home mum'??
The last time I heard woman doctor would be at least 20 yrs ago.
That whole statement was basically ill-informed and unnecessary
It is not necessarily the words but rather the default sex for each sex. Or you honestly gonna tell me when I say imagine a maid you think of a man turning beds.
No, I think of that hot french maid outfit i'm gonna wear at my goal weight one evening when my kids aren't home and my husband comes home from work. The first thing he's gonna see after a long day at work is me, on my hands and knees, scrubbing the floor, butt facing right his way...oh, sorry, TMI? :blushing:
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.
You may not have to adjust your goals, but I take pride in wanting to look nice not only for my husband, but for myself. I'm not going to use some social movement as an excuse not to get healthy.0 -
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.
sorry but that's not feminism, that's self-confidence. There is not a causal relationship betweeen these things.0 -
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.
sorry but that's not feminism, that's self-confidence. There is not a causal relationship betweeen these things.
Feminism and body-acceptance/fat-acceptance go hand in hand. Fat acceptance is a feminist issue. This is widely known.0 -
You forgot 'cis-normative'. And don't you dare deny that you attacked that woman...you attacked me as well. That thread, and another were both shut down because of your jumping in, and hijacking them with your opinions and reverse bigotry. Don't you recall? 'No homo'. You ran around typing 'no hetero' in your ridiculous posts for hours.
Funny how we conveniently forget our own behavior...isn't it.
Calling someone out on their privilege is not an attack. It's not my fault if a thread gets shut down. There is no such thing as 'reverse bigotry'.
No hetero tho.
Of course there's no such thing as 'reverse bigotry'. That would make you the one with the issue wouldn't it? Just like there's no such thing as a straight, white, middle class male being discriminiated against. Remember? We had that discussion as well.
It's funny...I had a discussion with my mother about our last run in a ways back...and her simple advice was 'Don't argue with them. Feminists, liberals, activist homosexuals...most any minority with an activist sector. They have a very simple tactic...anything you say proves their argument. Anything you don't say, proves their argument. Any proof you obtain, they will discredit it, stating that it doesn't count because it's been somehow manipulated by your argument.'
My mother is a wise woman.
So you see...no matter how many times we speak, no matter how many examples we make, no matter how many gay/lesbians tell you you're wrong, you will simply lable them part of the opposition. Be it misogynist, homophobe, racist, whatever. Unless they agree with you...across the board...they fall within those categories. Even if they're JUST LIKE YOU.
It's sad, and it gives me as massive headache. To see such narrowmindedness, and particularly to see it in our youth, is sickening. I grieve for this country...I truly do.
Now, to all of you level headed, reasonable feminists, please understand, it's not that I don't agree that there are still issues to be faced...it's that I'm tired, flat sick and absolutely tired...of the lack of respect and recognition for the people who are forced to live with the consequences of the feminist movement. And please understand that that doesn't mean I feel it wasn't necessary or right. The father who has to quit his job to spend time with his newborn child...because he wasn't given leave (yeah, this guy). The father who has to fight tooth and nail for custody of his children...because everyone knows that a childs place is with their mother (again this guy). Hell, in Arizona, if you're not married, even if you're on the birth certificate, you have to prove paternity before you can even file for VISITATION, or any other paternal rights. But remember, if you ARE on the birth certificate, you will certainly have to pay child support, even if you have NO LEGAL RIGHTS TO THAT CHILD (whether it be because you were unable through lack of funds, or failure once you took the test...to prove that paternity). I'm tired of the fact that I open doors and pay for dates being used as a way to lable me a control freak, and unworthy of feminine respect. I'm tired of every bit of respect I give to women (which has no limit), being thrown back at me and used as a tool to perpetuate these ridiculous charges against my gender as a whole.
Again...so you can't twist my words. I agree with feminism, in that women should have equal rights. However...those rights certainly don't give you the right to overrun me, simply because I'm not a woman.
And that, invariably...is what happens.0 -
chairman, police-man, foreman, male nurse, stay at home dad, woman doctor. I could go on but one can see even in our default language our society is patriarchal, Positions of power default to the male and positions of servitude default to the woman.
Please stop with the ignorant comments. First of all, the term 'man' as a suffix to an occupation is not sexist, it is not even gender specific. The origin of the word is non-gender specific.
Also, how is 'stay at home dad' ANY different from 'stay at home mum'??
The last time I heard woman doctor would be at least 20 yrs ago.
That whole statement was basically ill-informed and unnecessary
It is not necessarily the words but rather the default sex for each sex. Or you honestly gonna tell me when I say imagine a maid you think of a man turning beds.
No, I think of that hot french maid outfit i'm gonna wear at my goal weight one evening when my kids aren't home and my husband comes home from work. The first thing he's gonna see after a long day at work is me, on my hands and knees, scrubbing the floor, butt facing right his way...oh, sorry, TMI? :blushing:
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.
Right?
We all have sex with our husbands, some better than others. We all make sandwiches for our husbands, and sometimes they make them for us too. I really don't get all the sex talk or sandwich talk. I have no sexual hangups and I know how to cook. wooohooo look at me.0 -
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.
sorry but that's not feminism, that's self-confidence. There is not a causal relationship betweeen these things.
Feminism and body-acceptance/fat-acceptance go hand in hand. Fat acceptance is a feminist issue. This is widely known.
I'm not trying to be mean here, but how accepting of your fat are you gonna be when you're lying in a hospital bed after having a heart attack because you were living an unhealthy lifestyle? I don't see having realistic health goals and taking care of your body as attacks on feminism.0 -
I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?0 -
chairman, police-man, foreman, male nurse, stay at home dad, woman doctor. I could go on but one can see even in our default language our society is patriarchal, Positions of power default to the male and positions of servitude default to the woman.
Please stop with the ignorant comments. First of all, the term 'man' as a suffix to an occupation is not sexist, it is not even gender specific. The origin of the word is non-gender specific.
Also, how is 'stay at home dad' ANY different from 'stay at home mum'??
The last time I heard woman doctor would be at least 20 yrs ago.
That whole statement was basically ill-informed and unnecessary
It is not necessarily the words but rather the default sex for each sex. Or you honestly gonna tell me when I say imagine a maid you think of a man turning beds.
No, I think of that hot french maid outfit i'm gonna wear at my goal weight one evening when my kids aren't home and my husband comes home from work. The first thing he's gonna see after a long day at work is me, on my hands and knees, scrubbing the floor, butt facing right his way...oh, sorry, TMI? :blushing:
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.
You may not have to adjust your goals, but I take pride in wanting to look nice not only for my husband, but for myself. I'm not going to use some social movement as an excuse not to get healthy.
You already look nice. You can look nice at any size. You don't need an 'excuse' to not be healthy. Health is not a moral issue.0 -
Dont crap on a cake and call it frosting.
I will accept that there is a tenuous link between feminism and body-acceptance in that you need not rely on the acceptance of men to evaluate your sense of value (physical or otherwise), but you can not tell me that men are still to blame for some (probably many) women not being comfortable with their own image?0 -
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.
sorry but that's not feminism, that's self-confidence. There is not a causal relationship betweeen these things.
Feminism and body-acceptance/fat-acceptance go hand in hand. Fat acceptance is a feminist issue. This is widely known.
I'm not trying to be mean here, but how accepting of your fat are you gonna be when you're lying in a hospital bed after having a heart attack because you were living an unhealthy lifestyle? I don't see having realistic health goals and taking care of your body as attacks on feminism.
You can live a healthy lifestyle and be fat at the same time. Look up Health At Every Size.0 -
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
You and me abber!
I'll even abandon my masculinism plight to help you with this cause!0 -
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
You and me abber!
I'll even abandon my masculinism plight to help you with this cause!
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I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
This is a movement I can get behind!0 -
This is a movement I can get behind!
... only if your husband says its ok! :laugh:0 -
can i go back to the original post ..... im openly gay out proud and all that, ive never had homophobic remarks due to my sexuality on here. i must say im not a screaming queen and start every post with hi im kathy IM A LESBIAN but all the people i speak to treat me as NORMAL im me.
I am what I am
I am my own special creation
So come take a look
Give me the hook or the ovation
It's my world that I want to have a little pride in
My world and it's not a place I have to hide in
Life's not worth a dam
Till you can say, hey world, I am what I am0 -
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
You and me abber!
I'll even abandon my masculinism plight to help you with this cause!
It'll never happen...simply because it makes too much sense, and would remove too many rights already granted that hold them above others.0 -
I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
This is a movement I can get behind!
Another convert!! Woohoo!!!
Another point that was raised is the anger issue. I just...don't have the energy to be that angry all the time :laugh:
I can be dedicated to a cause without being angry. So my cause is now "everyone is human so let's just treat them right and not spend all day being angry about it"ism!0 -
I think what a lot of people are missing here Is feminism does not blame men for anything. Men are as much a part of the system as women are. However society is not balanced in the respect of sexes. And that is not even adding the the complexity that a binary definition of sex is fundamentally flawed.
I am a white "male" and I know the privilege that gives me. I do not feel attacked when it is pointed out.
If anything this thread brought out the wolves that the original poster wanted to avoid and that kind of sucks.0
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