Looking for Feminist Friends
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I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
You and me abber!
I'll even abandon my masculinism plight to help you with this cause!
It'll never happen...simply because it makes too much sense, and would remove too many rights already granted that hold them above others.
You sound like a Men's Rights 'activist'. Facepalm.0 -
chairman, police-man, foreman, male nurse, stay at home dad, woman doctor. I could go on but one can see even in our default language our society is patriarchal, Positions of power default to the male and positions of servitude default to the woman.
Please stop with the ignorant comments. First of all, the term 'man' as a suffix to an occupation is not sexist, it is not even gender specific. The origin of the word is non-gender specific.
Also, how is 'stay at home dad' ANY different from 'stay at home mum'??
The last time I heard woman doctor would be at least 20 yrs ago.
That whole statement was basically ill-informed and unnecessary
It is not necessarily the words but rather the default sex for each sex. Or you honestly gonna tell me when I say imagine a maid you think of a man turning beds.
No, I think of that hot french maid outfit i'm gonna wear at my goal weight one evening when my kids aren't home and my husband comes home from work. The first thing he's gonna see after a long day at work is me, on my hands and knees, scrubbing the floor, butt facing right his way...oh, sorry, TMI? :blushing:
Because of feminism, I don't need to wait for my 'goal weight' to wear a sexy french maid costume.
You may not have to adjust your goals, but I take pride in wanting to look nice not only for my husband, but for myself. I'm not going to use some social movement as an excuse not to get healthy.
You already look nice. You can look nice at any size. You don't need an 'excuse' to not be healthy. Health is not a moral issue.
I disagree. You should go to this link and check out the picture. It speaks volumes on its own.
http://vonsfitnesstips.com/fat-loss/body-scans-of-250-pound-woman-vs-120-pound-woman/
From the website:
"The difference between a 250 pound woman and a 120 pound woman might be very obvious on the outside, but take a look at what they look like on the inside. This body scan comparison clearly shows the distinctions between the two.
On the 250 pound woman you can see the lower bone density, the fatty heart, the low percentage of muscle, the size of the intestinal tract, and even the enormous amount of fat around the waist. The list just goes on and on. If looking in the mirror doesn’t motivate you to want to lose fat, hopefully this will."
That 250 pound woman doesn't sound very healthy to me.0 -
This is a movement I can get behind!
... only if your husband says its ok! :laugh:
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to get his permission first! :laugh:0 -
can i go back to the original post ..... im openly gay out proud and all that, ive never had homophobic remarks due to my sexuality on here. i must say im not a screaming queen and start every post with hi im kathy IM A LESBIAN but all the people i speak to treat me as NORMAL im me.
I am what I am
I am my own special creation
So come take a look
Give me the hook or the ovation
It's my world that I want to have a little pride in
My world and it's not a place I have to hide in
Life's not worth a dam
Till you can say, hey world, I am what I am
That is a really nice post - thankyou. I am genuinely very glad you are comfortable with who you are, not everybody is. Personally I wouldn't care if you were a 90yo straight white guy or a 'screaming queen'... you deserve to be loved, respected and treated equally.
That is all I've been trying to convey in this thread (well... mostly).0 -
I think what a lot of people are missing here Is feminism does not blame men for anything. Men are as much a part of the system as women are. How ever society is not balanced in the respect of sexes. And that is not even adding the the complexity that a binary definition of sex is fundamentally flawed.
I am a white "male" and I know the privilege that gives me. I do not feel attacked when it is pointed out.
If anything this thread brought out the wolves that the original poster wanted to avoid and that kind of sucks.
Equal rights buddy. She's got just as much right to be trolled as the young lady who posted the anti-feminism opinions thread.You sound like a Men's Rights 'activist'. Facepalm.
I love how you pick and choose your arguments. Nothing to say about a father not being given equal rights simply because he didn't give birth? It happens 97% of the time here in Arizona...and quite often elsewhere as well. But wait...that must be a part of the patriarchal machine too, right?0 -
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
You and me abber!
I'll even abandon my masculinism plight to help you with this cause!
It'll never happen...simply because it makes too much sense, and would remove too many rights already granted that hold them above others.
Yeah, that and the fact that they won't have so much to be angry and complain about all the time anymore-what would they do with all that extra time and energy on their hands? :laugh:0 -
CHEERS RAY , your a star0
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I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
This is a movement I can get behind!
Another convert!! Woohoo!!!
Another point that was raised is the anger issue. I just...don't have the energy to be that angry all the time :laugh:
I can be dedicated to a cause without being angry. So my cause is now "everyone is human so let's just treat them right and not spend all day being angry about it"ism!
Do you think the "anti" people who came to this thread were angry when they either started going off on the posters or if they just simply started making fun of them and telling them that there was no reason for them to feel the way they do? Some people came to this thread to find like minded people where others just came to either be rude or make fun of them.0 -
Do you think the "anti" people who came to this thread were angry when they either started going off on the posters or if they just simply started making fun of them and telling them that there was no reason for them to feel the way they do? Some people came to this thread to find like minded people where others just came to either be rude or make fun of them.
Do you think this hasn't happened to the people who disagree with you already?
Again...people should practice what they preach.0 -
I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
This is a movement I can get behind!
Another convert!! Woohoo!!!
Another point that was raised is the anger issue. I just...don't have the energy to be that angry all the time :laugh:
I can be dedicated to a cause without being angry. So my cause is now "everyone is human so let's just treat them right and not spend all day being angry about it"ism!
Do you think the "anti" people who came to this thread were angry when they either started going off on the posters or if they just simply started making fun of them and telling them that there was no reason for them to feel the way they do? Some people came to this thread to find like minded people where others just came to either be rude or make fun of them.
To be perfectly honest, no they didn't seem angry at all. It seemed like people having some harmless fun. Iz wut we do here :laugh:
Those comments were, however, met with a completely disproportionate anger, IMO.0 -
Ok, i'm REALLY going to bed now!!! Don't have too much fun without me y'all! :flowerforyou:0
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I love reverse discrimination. It's the reason why I got my teaching assistantship
Actually, I don't agree with reverse discrimination at all (or any discrimination for that matter), which is often the outcome of these "movements." Two wrongs don't make a right. LEGIT equality for all plz.
I felt really crummy when I found out I was hired ONLY because I was a women and not based on my credentials.:mad:0 -
I can't help but feel partially responsible for the derailing of this thread. Sorry OP. This has been a whole lot of fun though!0
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Ok, i'm REALLY going to bed now!!! Don't have too much fun without me y'all! :flowerforyou:
sure you are! :yawn:0 -
I love reverse discrimination. It's the reason why I got my teaching assistantship
Actually, I don't agree with reverse discrimination at all (or any discrimination for that matter), which is often the outcome of these "movements." Two wrongs don't make a right. LEGIT equality for all plz.
I felt really crummy when I found out I was hired ONLY because I was a women and not based on my credentials.:mad:
Preach!0 -
Ok, i'm REALLY going to bed now!!! Don't have too much fun without me y'all! :flowerforyou:
Me too, for realsies!! I can't keep sleeping until noon :laugh: Night y'all!0 -
I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
This is a movement I can get behind!
Another convert!! Woohoo!!!
Another point that was raised is the anger issue. I just...don't have the energy to be that angry all the time :laugh:
I can be dedicated to a cause without being angry. So my cause is now "everyone is human so let's just treat them right and not spend all day being angry about it"ism!
Do you think the "anti" people who came to this thread were angry when they either started going off on the posters or if they just simply started making fun of them and telling them that there was no reason for them to feel the way they do? Some people came to this thread to find like minded people where others just came to either be rude or make fun of them.
To be perfectly honest, no they didn't seem angry at all. It seemed like people having some harmless fun. Iz wut we do here :laugh:
Those comments were, however, met with a completely disproportionate anger, IMO.
You think Cris is having harmless fun? You have a strange idea of what fun is.
And while some people just simply made jokes, can you imagine if they made jokes against a Christian looking for other Christians to be friends with. Would that be okay? No it wouldn't. Or tried to, for no reason other than just because they felt threatened tell them how stupid their beliefs are.
Some of you are only here to give people a hard time.0 -
I love reverse discrimination. It's the reason why I got my teaching assistantship
Actually, I don't agree with reverse discrimination at all (or any discrimination for that matter), which is often the outcome of these "movements." Two wrongs don't make a right. LEGIT equality for all plz.
I felt really crummy when I found out I was hired ONLY because I was a women and not based on my credentials.:mad:
At least it went to someone who seems to deserve and appreciate it...and I'm being 100% sincere. The fact that you're aware of, and unhappy with...the reasons you were hired, speaks volumes.0 -
[... can you imagine if they made jokes against a Christian looking for other Christians to be friends with. Would that be okay? No it wouldn't. Or tried to, for no reason other than just because they felt threatened tell them how stupid their beliefs are.
Some of you are only here to give people a hard time.
Yes, in my view it would be ok. We have at no time (that I have seen) ridiculed people for their beliefs. There has been discussion as to the merit of feminism as a movement and its current role in society, but at no point has anyone said women do not deserve equal rights or have attacked them personally. That would be inappropriate.0 -
I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
This is a movement I can get behind!
Another convert!! Woohoo!!!
Another point that was raised is the anger issue. I just...don't have the energy to be that angry all the time :laugh:
I can be dedicated to a cause without being angry. So my cause is now "everyone is human so let's just treat them right and not spend all day being angry about it"ism!
Do you think the "anti" people who came to this thread were angry when they either started going off on the posters or if they just simply started making fun of them and telling them that there was no reason for them to feel the way they do? Some people came to this thread to find like minded people where others just came to either be rude or make fun of them.
To be perfectly honest, no they didn't seem angry at all. It seemed like people having some harmless fun. Iz wut we do here :laugh:
Those comments were, however, met with a completely disproportionate anger, IMO.
You think Cris is having harmless fun? You have a strange idea of what fun is.
And while some people just simply made jokes, can you imagine if they made jokes against a Christian looking for other Christians to be friends with. Would that be okay? No it wouldn't. Or tried to, for no reason other than just because they felt threatened tell them how stupid their beliefs are.
Some of you are only here to give people a hard time.
I think Chris is fighting fire with fire.
If the jokes were as innocuous as Ray's comment about washing dishes...I, as a Christian, wouldn't see a problem with it <shrug>0 -
I love reverse discrimination. It's the reason why I got my teaching assistantship
Actually, I don't agree with reverse discrimination at all (or any discrimination for that matter), which is often the outcome of these "movements." Two wrongs don't make a right. LEGIT equality for all plz.
I felt really crummy when I found out I was hired ONLY because I was a women and not based on my credentials.:mad:
Why would you take a job that you were not qualified for? I personally don't hate anyone, including men.0 -
You think Cris is having harmless fun? You have a strange idea of what fun is.
And while some people just simply made jokes, can you imagine if they made jokes against a Christian looking for other Christians to be friends with. Would that be okay? No it wouldn't. Or tried to, for no reason other than just because they felt threatened tell them how stupid their beliefs are.
Some of you are only here to give people a hard time.
I was at first...but then it started getting deep, and I dislike having feces thrown in my face.
Also, you're right, it 100% wasn't ok when the young lady who posted the 'anti feminist opinions' thread got facerolled by the train of feminist linebackers who entered her thread uninvited, and proceeded to belittle her, insult her feminity, tell her she should have been born a man, and overall attack and abuse her...then got the thread shut down on top of it.
Yeah, you've got room to speak.0 -
One last comment before I dive out of this thread.
I think it was you, Cris, but in the last thread on feminism I think you mentioned your baby-mama-drama (sorry, I can't help it, I love that phrase) and I immediately did some research on paternal rights and was pretty horrified. I did however find that there's very little I can do aside from write my representatives and be a little more attentive in local politics. I'm sorry that you feel that feminism has brought that misfortune upon you, but I personally believe it's the same gender role politics in play. 100 years ago, the father took the children, but only because he could immediately provide an adequate female surrogate. Anyways. What I'm saying is that it's the same issue, and that if my children are ever judges in cases like yours, they wont be so prejudiced against fathers.0 -
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I have room to speak? WTH are you talking about? I had no part in that thread nor do I have any knowledge of that thread. And my guess is the "anti" theme thread got shut down because it broke the guidelines of MFP guidelines. I would say its time to move on...You think Cris is having harmless fun? You have a strange idea of what fun is.
And while some people just simply made jokes, can you imagine if they made jokes against a Christian looking for other Christians to be friends with. Would that be okay? No it wouldn't. Or tried to, for no reason other than just because they felt threatened tell them how stupid their beliefs are.
Some of you are only here to give people a hard time.
I was at first...but then it started getting deep, and I dislike having feces thrown in my face.
Also, you're right, it 100% wasn't ok when the young lady who posted the 'anti feminist opinions' thread got facerolled by the train of feminist linebackers who entered her thread uninvited, and proceeded to belittle her, insult her feminity, tell her she should have been born a man, and overall attack and abuse her...then got the thread shut down on top of it.
Yeah, you've got room to speak.0 -
One last comment before I dive out of this thread.
I think it was you, Cris, but in the last thread on feminism I think you mentioned your baby-mama-drama (sorry, I can't help it, I love that phrase) and I immediately did some research on paternal rights and was pretty horrified. I did however find that there's very little I can do aside from write my representatives and be a little more attentive in local politics. I'm sorry that you feel that feminism has brought that misfortune upon you, but I personally believe it's the same gender role politics in play. 100 years ago, the father took the children, but only because he could immediately provide an adequate female surrogate. Anyways. What I'm saying is that it's the same issue, and that if my children are ever judges in cases like yours, they wont be so prejudiced against fathers.
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I want you to understand...you and those like you...who are level headed, and look at both sides of an issue (nataliaho...thank you very much)...are what I believe feminism should be.
How much of that have you seen here tonight? You're in the minority hun...and that is why feminism in general sparks this kind of response. That's been my point many, many times in threads like these. It's not the basis of the movement, it's the militant, activist, 'I will see no side but my own' attitude that makes people respond with anger.
Also I want to clarify, I don't necessarily blame feminism specifically, but it was difficult to add in to my point clearly. It simply makes me very angry, to see people crying about women's rights...gay rights, black rights, illegal rights...whatever minority you choose, when there are just as many issues infringing on the rights of that poor straight, white, legal citizen, middle class male (this doesn't mean I'm NOT sympathetic to minority rights...I am!). Did you know, when I wanted to go back to school years ago...I tried to get a single parents grant and was denied? Do you know why? There isn't one. It's a single mother's grant. Yes, because I'm not a woman, I didn't qualify.
Do you wonder what would happen if I started a college fund for single white heterosexual male fathers with an income of under $50,000 a year?
Sorry, you're black, you don't qualify.
Sorry, you're a woman, you don't qualify.
Sorry, you have no qualifying child...move along.
I'd be found hung from the tree in my front yard in a week. Every news group on the planet would be pounding on my door, and I'd be being called a whole slew of names by 90% of the country.I have room to speak? WTH are you talking about? I had no part in that thread nor do I have any knowledge of that thread. And my guess is the "anti" theme thread got shut down because it broke the guidelines of MFP guidelines. I would say its time to move on...
I meant 'you' as in the group you are supporting, not you specifically...sorry for the confusion.
And if it broke the guidelines, so does this.0 -
I'm black, and I'm a feminist. Womanism is there, but like you've presented, most of it's founders are just.. really angry. I find it counterproductive. Don't get me wrong, I love being in the minority rights kitchen(kitchen!?! hah) but our problem is MUCH more internal at this point in the US. Self hate abound, and no one has been actively feeding that fire. WE keep it alive. And so very few of us even care about the issues, so involved with distractions of our own making. Yes, black men have different problems than black women who have different problems than white women.. but I don't find it productive to separate from both groups out of spite, which to me (correct me if I'm wrong) seems the core of womanism.
I think this is kind of the core of my issue with "feminism" or any other kind of "ism", really. It seeks to separate people into groups and grant them "rights" based on belonging to said group. How about, "everyone is human so let's just treat them all the same"ism?
This is a movement I can get behind!
Another convert!! Woohoo!!!
Another point that was raised is the anger issue. I just...don't have the energy to be that angry all the time :laugh:
I can be dedicated to a cause without being angry. So my cause is now "everyone is human so let's just treat them right and not spend all day being angry about it"ism!
Do you think the "anti" people who came to this thread were angry when they either started going off on the posters or if they just simply started making fun of them and telling them that there was no reason for them to feel the way they do? Some people came to this thread to find like minded people where others just came to either be rude or make fun of them.
To be perfectly honest, no they didn't seem angry at all. It seemed like people having some harmless fun. Iz wut we do here :laugh:
Those comments were, however, met with a completely disproportionate anger, IMO.
You think Cris is having harmless fun? You have a strange idea of what fun is.
And while some people just simply made jokes, can you imagine if they made jokes against a Christian looking for other Christians to be friends with. Would that be okay? No it wouldn't. Or tried to, for no reason other than just because they felt threatened tell them how stupid their beliefs are.
Some of you are only here to give people a hard time.
I think Chris is fighting fire with fire.
If the jokes were as innocuous as Ray's comment about washing dishes...I, as a Christian, wouldn't see a problem with it <shrug>0 -
And while some people just simply made jokes, can you imagine if they made jokes against a Christian looking for other Christians to be friends with. Would that be okay? No it wouldn't. Or tried to, for no reason other than just because they felt threatened tell them how stupid their beliefs are.
I've seen it happen to Christians. I remember a Christian posting a story about Einstein (which ended up not being true), and everyone jumped in to make anti-Christian comments.
Truthfully, I can see both sides of this issue, but the OP was just asking for friends. I feel sorry her thread ended up being a hotbed for debate.0 -
mmmmm im going to dance to queen , under pressure. Kathy dances off doing Freddie mercury impression.0
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