Did not ask for criticism
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If you're into a 600-800 calorie restriction to promote weight loss, you might not want to participate in a community that encourages healthy weight loss. No matter how you spin it, that isn't considered healthy at all.
You might want to check out Tumblr, you can find plenty of blogs that fit with your ideology and methods. I don't think you're
actually going to find any one who condones that here.0 -
http://www.anorexia.com/600 to 800 calories a day and being satisfied with that IS an eating disorder.
Can you please provide a scientific or medical reference that defines VLCD as an eating disorder?
Perhaps I was unclear about the scientific and/or medical part...0 -
Hello,
I am not so sure I believe in starvation mode either. I don't eat my exercise calories either. I do however stay at or above 1200 calories a day. Although I don't believe in starvation mode, I do believe in malnutrition. I wouldn't tr to sustain that calorie intake too long for the sake of your health. Good luck to you and finding your long term solution for a healthier you. Peace! :flowerforyou:0 -
I'm sorry.. not trying to mean but a question...
In another thread when you mentioned how little food you eat you said you were eating 1000 calories a day and stalled so you cut that in half and added a bit for the exercise you do. What do you plan on doing when you stall again? You can't very well cut your calories down even more.
She could cut down to just water. THAT seems like a great plan0 -
Perhaps I assumed as you were such an expert on VLCDs you would be familiar with the cycles and processes that lead into anorexia.
http://www.anorexia.com/600 to 800 calories a day and being satisfied with that IS an eating disorder.
Can you please provide a scientific or medical reference that defines VLCD as an eating disorder?
Perhaps I was unclear about the scientific and/or medical part...0 -
In some of my recent comments on other posts I find I'm being criticised for how I choose to lose my weight. First and foremost I would never ever recommend someone else lose weight the way I am losing it. My diet is strickly my diet. What works for me may not work for you, what I believe to be true you may believe in something different. That's what makes us human. If we all believed the same thing this would be a boring place. All I ask is for people to stop and remember that just because you believe something does NOT make it a fact, it's only your belief. Even if you think it's a fact I'm sure there are sites that will say differently. Each of us believe the way we believe and do not need to be put down for that. Just because you did something and it impacted you negatively does not mean that it will do the same for me. Just because you may have an ED because of the way you ate does not mean that it happens to everyone. I joined this group to be supported not criticised. I don't believe in starvation mode...it's a made up word for stalling out and used to scare you into doing things the way someone else's wants you to do them,, but if you believe in it then okay, but don't push it on me. I don't believe eating 600 to 800 calories a day will cause me to have an eating disorder. I don't believe that eating 600 to 800 calories will cause me to gain weight because my body is eating away at my muscles instead of the fat. If I'm comfortable eating this way then it's non of your concern. I'll ask you when for help when I need it. I don't like being criticised and I'm sure you don't either. All I'm aksing is a little respect for who believe differently than you do.
It's the internet, if you don't want opinions, don't post it. Sorry you're upset.0 -
Why don't you write a post about it?
That should fix the problem of getting too much attention.
IKR... because EVERYONE on MFP will see this post and know to never criticize her eating methods ever again!!
Right. I didn't see the original post, only this one.0 -
VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diets) are only recommended for morbidly obese individuals, under the supervision of a doctor. Even then, they "may be no more effective than less severe dietary restrictions in the long run."
Can you please provide the reference that states a BMI of 30 is considered "morbidly obese?" Thank you. (keep in mind that a 5'9" man who weighs 203 lbs has a BMI of 30).
No one said a BMI of 30 = morbidly obese0 -
Also, there's such thing as "disordered eating," not necessarily an eating disorder.0
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If you want the increased chances for,
cardiovascular disease , cancer, about 20 other skin structure diseases then you can do it.0 -
Eating 600-800 calories a day won't cause you to get an eating disorder, it's a symptom of one.
Seek help.
Now.
I'm not kidding or being sarcastic. You are going to seek help one way or the other. A psychologist is preferable to the doctor for when you permanently screw up your organs.0 -
BTW OP...this term:
b) Profiles, groups, messages, posts, or wall comments that encourage anorexia, bulimia, or very low calorie diets of any kind will be removed, and may be grounds for account deletion. This includes positive references to ana/mia, purging, or self-starving. Our goal is to provide users with the tools to achieve their weight management goals at a steady, sustainable rate. Use of the site to promote or glamorize dangerously low levels of eating is not permitted.
Clearly outlines WHY people are critical of your choice.0 -
VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diets) are only recommended for morbidly obese individuals, under the supervision of a doctor. Even then, they "may be no more effective than less severe dietary restrictions in the long run."
Can you please provide the reference that states a BMI of 30 is considered "morbidly obese?" Thank you. (keep in mind that a 5'9" man who weighs 203 lbs has a BMI of 30).
No one said a BMI of 30 = morbidly obese
Body Mass Index (BMI) is a number calculated from a person's weight and height
A BMI of below 18.5 is considered Underweight
A BMI of 18.5-25 is Normal
A BMI of 25.1-30 is Overweight
A BMI of 30.1 – 40 is Obese
A BMI of 40.1- 45 is Severely Obese
A BMI of 45.1 – 50 is Morbidly Obese
A BMI of 50.1 – 59.9 is Super Morbidly Obese
A BMI over 60 is Super Super Morbidly Obese0 -
I won't criticize. I will support....with concern. I have been in the same situation where I tried very low calorie diets and ended up stalling out. But that was just me. Please be careful.0
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:huh: Well then! I wasn't aware you were a doctor! I mean, clearly you have all the healthy answers!!
So, does this 600-800 calorie diet come with bumps of coke too?0 -
It's simple. Keep your diary private from the people who have become your "friends" on here, and you will no longer be criticized. This is a public site, that promotes healthy weight loss, and I am sure this post will soon be deleted, because it is completely against all of MFP guidelines. If you are extremely obese, and you are under a doctor's care, then you do whatever you feel is neccesary to lose weight. This site is about getting healthy, and unless you have some amazing supplements, along with your current meal plan, you will most likely not become healthy. VLCD burn muscle, and fat, and can damage your metabolism if not done correctly.0
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Sorry but yes it is a known fact that eating such a small amount over extended periods of time will cause your organs to stop functioning properly. Not criticising just stating a fact, but be my guest to continue as you please
Gastric bypass patients eat that much for the REST OF THEIR LIVES and are fine. Not everybody's bodies are the same.
A morbidly obese man consumed zero calories for over a year in the 1970s to get down to a normal weight that he maintained. It was under medical supervision.0 -
Sorry but yes it is a known fact that eating such a small amount over extended periods of time will cause your organs to stop functioning properly. Not criticising just stating a fact, but be my guest to continue as you please
Gastric bypass patients eat that much for the REST OF THEIR LIVES and are fine. Not everybody's bodies are the same.
A morbidly obese man consumed zero calories for over a year in the 1970s to get down to a normal weight that he maintained. It was under medical supervision.
Yeah, they also used to dump oil in the ground in the 70's. Not a lot of knowledge back then.0 -
Sorry but yes it is a known fact that eating such a small amount over extended periods of time will cause your organs to stop functioning properly. Not criticising just stating a fact, but be my guest to continue as you please
Gastric bypass patients eat that much for the REST OF THEIR LIVES and are fine. Not everybody's bodies are the same.
A morbidly obese man consumed zero calories for over a year in the 1970s to get down to a normal weight that he maintained. It was under medical supervision.
How is that possible?0 -
Perhaps you could read the articles, Champ.Can you please provide the reference that states a BMI of 30 is considered "morbidly obese?" Thank you. (keep in mind that a 5'9" man who weighs 203 lbs has a BMI of 30).
Morbidly obese reference
"A VLCD is primarily for severely or morbidly obese individuals who must lose or wish to lose large amounts of weight as rapidly as possible in a safe manner. " - UCLA (http://rfoweightloss.med.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=32)
BMI references
"VLCDs are designed to produce rapid weight loss at the start of a weight-loss program in patients with a body mass index (BMI) greater than 30 and significant comorbidities."
"Use of VLCDs in patients with a BMI of 27 to 30 should be reserved for those who have medical conditions due to overweight, such as high blood pressure." - National Institutes of Health (http://win.niddk.nih.gov/publications/low_calorie.htm)0 -
It's sunny outside, let's walk away from this topic.0
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Blunt truth-- Your post(s) make no sense. Honestly it's not even worth breaking down because if you are really eating the amount of calories you're stating, and you're a full grown adult with normal bodily functions, then there is about a 99% chance you have an eating disorder. If you do any research at all, talk to your doc, etc. you'd have to be a special kind of clueless not to know that, and not to know that people are going to react to that,
Bottomline- it's your life and when you possibly Darwinze yourself it's your choice and doesn't really affect us much overall. Your best bet is to stop posting if you don't want to hear it.
Not trying to be mean, but it's kinda ridiculous.0 -
VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diets) are only recommended for morbidly obese individuals, under the supervision of a doctor. Even then, they "may be no more effective than less severe dietary restrictions in the long run."
Can you please provide the reference that states a BMI of 30 is considered "morbidly obese?" Thank you. (keep in mind that a 5'9" man who weighs 203 lbs has a BMI of 30).
No one said a BMI of 30 = morbidly obese
Maybe you didn't read the whole post. First he wrote this:
"VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diets) are only recommended for morbidly obese individuals, under the supervision of a doctor."
Then he referenced this:
"VLCDs are designed to produce rapid weight loss at the start of a weight-loss program in patients with a body mass index (BMI) greater than 30 and significant comorbidities."
And again, this:
"Very low-calorie diets are generally safe when used under proper medical supervision in people with a body mass index (BMI) greater than 30. Use of VLCDs in people with a BMI of 27 to 30 should be reserved for those who have medical complications resulting from their obesity."
I guess maybe I should have gone with 30.1 instead of 30...0 -
Not all gastric bypass patients are fine.....I take care of themSorry but yes it is a known fact that eating such a small amount over extended periods of time will cause your organs to stop functioning properly. Not criticising just stating a fact, but be my guest to continue as you please
Gastric bypass patients eat that much for the REST OF THEIR LIVES and are fine. Not everybody's bodies are the same.0 -
well said0
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Sorry but yes it is a known fact that eating such a small amount over extended periods of time will cause your organs to stop functioning properly. Not criticising just stating a fact, but be my guest to continue as you please
Gastric bypass patients eat that much for the REST OF THEIR LIVES and are fine. Not everybody's bodies are the same.
A morbidly obese man consumed zero calories for over a year in the 1970s to get down to a normal weight that he maintained. It was under medical supervision.
That is impossible. Are you telling me he was on a saline drip for over a year and did not eat anything but water?0 -
Sigh...
This makes me sad.
I think I will go eat a 700 calorie lunch... in addition to my 600 calorie breakfast, and my planned 500 calorie dinner, and my 300 calories worth of snacks, and the budgeted 400 calories worth of Friday night beverages.
And continue to be fit and healthy and strong with properly functioning organs.
THIS!!! :drinker:
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Sorry but yes it is a known fact that eating such a small amount over extended periods of time will cause your organs to stop functioning properly. Not criticising just stating a fact, but be my guest to continue as you please
Gastric bypass patients eat that much for the REST OF THEIR LIVES and are fine. Not everybody's bodies are the same.
A morbidly obese man consumed zero calories for over a year in the 1970s to get down to a normal weight that he maintained. It was under medical supervision.
Yeah, they also used to dump oil in the ground in the 70's. Not a lot of knowledge back then.
LOL, yeah, we barely had electricity back then... :laugh:0 -
Not all gastric bypass patients are fine.....I take care of themSorry but yes it is a known fact that eating such a small amount over extended periods of time will cause your organs to stop functioning properly. Not criticising just stating a fact, but be my guest to continue as you please
Gastric bypass patients eat that much for the REST OF THEIR LIVES and are fine. Not everybody's bodies are the same.
Exactly. It requires extreme supplementation and doctor supervision. The low calorie diet is temporary too...eventually you go back to a normal BMR calorie intake0 -
Plain and simple if you dont want critisizm then dont be on here...
Dont post in the forums.
Dont go around making a point to point out what you are doing and WHY it is right.
Everybody is entitled to thier own opinion and OMG GUESS WHAT... you are ALWAYS going to get it.
Why get on here and CRY about it??
Move on if you dont like it.
End of story.0
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