Did not ask for criticism

opus649

Yeah. I think quibbling about it was just nitpickyness for the sake of being nitpicky.

My BMI was once 30. I didn't appreciate being referred to as "morbidly obese."

NoAdditives

A morbidly obese man consumed zero calories for over a year in the 1970s to get down to a normal weight that he maintained. It was under medical supervision.

Yep, I was about to mention this as well, I just had to track down a reference. Here ya go!

"Features of a successful therapeutic fast of 382 days' duration" - yes, a man ate nothing for over a year, and lost 276 lb while under medical supervision. He did gain some back, but 5 years later was still maintaining a 260 lb loss.
Reference: http://pmj.bmj.com/content/49/569/203.abstract

Yes, n=1 in this case, but so did the Twinkie diet that is referred to frequently.

(Note though, five other individuals had died doing a fasting study previously. And this man was given vitamins & minerals during his fast, WHICH WAS MEDICALLY SUPERVISED.)

Help me out. The last two lines in the summary seem to contradict one another.

"These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects."

Dissolution of soft tissue and skeletal mass are not ill effects?

Good question!

sleepyval

Meant to post a mood-lightening clip; it didn't work.

Longterm VLCDs aren't healthy, but neither is longterm obesity. I would know; it killed two members of my immediate family.
I have a friend who was on a medically supervised one; for her, it was necessary to break bad habits. After a month or so, she started increasing her calories slowly. So far, she's kept off the weight.

I don't know why we can't just support each other. Concern is one thing, but the tone of some of these posts reminds me of that one friend/family member we all have who has something judgmental to say about everything. It never works in life, no way it will online.

opus649

Maybe I read it wrong, but the first time I read the post, I assumed that the phrase "VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diets) are only recommended for morbidly obese individuals" was the poster's words, not a citation from any study. As such, it was the poster using the phrase "morbidly obese" to describe those put on VLCD's by doctors. Since later citations pointed at the number 30, the conclusion then is that the poster was saying 30+ = morbidly obese.

If the aforementioned phrase was actually a citation and not the poster's own words, then I misunderstood.

I was citing the UCLA study.

Then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

shar140

A morbidly obese man consumed zero calories for over a year in the 1970s to get down to a normal weight that he maintained. It was under medical supervision.

Yep, I was about to mention this as well, I just had to track down a reference. Here ya go!

"Features of a successful therapeutic fast of 382 days' duration" - yes, a man ate nothing for over a year, and lost 276 lb while under medical supervision. He did gain some back, but 5 years later was still maintaining a 260 lb loss.
Reference: http://pmj.bmj.com/content/49/569/203.abstract

Yes, n=1 in this case, but so did the Twinkie diet that is referred to frequently.

(Note though, five other individuals had died doing a fasting study previously. And this man was given vitamins & minerals during his fast, WHICH WAS MEDICALLY SUPERVISED.)

Help me out. The last two lines in the summary seem to contradict one another.

"These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects."

Dissolution of soft tissue and skeletal mass are not ill effects?

True, good point. I was not saying I agreed with this method, but rather I did know that this had been documented. I'd be curious for a follow-up evaluation.

GasMasterFlash

Yeah. I think quibbling about it was just nitpickyness for the sake of being nitpicky.

My BMI was once 30. I didn't appreciate being referred to as "morbidly obese."

I think we've established that no one referred to a 30 BMI as such. I cited a number multiple studies. One made an observation about severely and morbidly obese, while another made reference to BMI numbers. The only person making the assumption that one was tied to the other was you.

SweetDee80

Wow. You guys are so nice to one another. It is really overwhelming. After reading through this thread you all have killed me with kindness. Huzzah!

/sarcasm.

GasMasterFlash

Help me out. The last two lines in the summary seem to contradict one another.

"These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects."

Dissolution of soft tissue and skeletal mass are not ill effects?

True, good point. I was not saying I agreed with this method, but rather I did know that this had been documented. I'd be curious for a follow-up evaluation.

I understand that you aren't promoting the method. I just found that last part odd. :laugh:

LindaCWy

I find the people who eat the least are the most defensive...

UsedToBeHusky

So you are using your knowledge as evidence that this impossible feat actually happened. If there are no calories, then there are no nutrients. The body shuts down and you starve to death. Death from starvation takes around 4-6 weeks.

If you had actually read my first post, 1) it referenced a case study, and 2) he received vitamin and mineral supplements.

I caught it... and edited. You must have missed that.

Sumo813

I find the people who eat the least are the most defensive...

they have to be because all the big kids pick on them. :huh:

ZoeLifts

I find the people who eat the least are the most defensive...

they have to be because all the big kids pick on them. :huh:

I get very defensive and angry when I am hungry, just ask the hubs...

jaxandmaksmom

i think you were highly successful on getting people to stop critizing you by making this post... i mean heck 6 pages later and it seems people are just thinking your a freaking genius now for figuring it all out...


if you dont like it.. dont tell people how you do it.. just enjoy the site and keep your **** private.. simple..

adamb83

Sorry but yes it is a known fact that eating such a small amount over extended periods of time will cause your organs to stop functioning properly. Not criticising just stating a fact, but be my guest to continue as you please

Gastric bypass patients eat that much for the REST OF THEIR LIVES and are fine. Not everybody's bodies are the same.

Incorrect.

shar140

So you are using your knowledge as evidence that this impossible feat actually happened. If there are no calories, then there are no nutrients. The body shuts down and you starve to death. Death from starvation takes around 4-6 weeks.

If you had actually read my first post, 1) it referenced a case study, and 2) he received vitamin and mineral supplements.

I caught it... and edited. You must have missed that.

Yep, I see it now, sorry! :flowerforyou:

DietingMommy08

VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diets) are only recommended for morbidly obese individuals, under the supervision of a doctor. Even then, they "may be no more effective than less severe dietary restrictions in the long run."

Can you please provide the reference that states a BMI of 30 is considered "morbidly obese?" Thank you. (keep in mind that a 5'9" man who weighs 203 lbs has a BMI of 30).

No one said a BMI of 30 = morbidly obese

Maybe you didn't read the whole post. First he wrote this:
"VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diets) are only recommended for morbidly obese individuals, under the supervision of a doctor."

Then he referenced this:
"VLCDs are designed to produce rapid weight loss at the start of a weight-loss program in patients with a body mass index (BMI) greater than 30 and significant comorbidities."

And again, this:
"Very low-calorie diets are generally safe when used under proper medical supervision in people with a body mass index (BMI) greater than 30. Use of VLCDs in people with a BMI of 27 to 30 should be reserved for those who have medical complications resulting from their obesity."

I guess maybe I should have gone with 30.1 instead of 30...

I don't see anywhere in here where the article states BMI of 30 = Morbid Obesity. It's just one reference indicating the VLCD is typically restricted to morbidly obese individuals... and then goes on to say that it produces results in folks with a BMI of 30 or greater.

I agree that it's a bit of a crossed channel, but I think that's all and it's just assumptions being tossed about based on "recommended for morbidly obese people" and then the next line making a similar statement of it producing results, but actually including a BMI #.

Just my 0.02.

Yeah. I think quibbling about it was just nitpickyness for the sake of being nitpicky.

Been doing this thru the WHOLE post....

Some ppl obvioulsy have nothing better to do then sit in a forum and critique everything bcuz its not what they believe to be true.

tmauck4472

How the **** do people eat so little and still have the energy to post their VLCD propaganda on these forums? I'm struggling to stick with my 625 cals four times a day!


I have tons of energy, actually have way more now than I did before I started this diet...I am not posting propaganda nor am I encouraging others to do what I'm doing so why would the thread be stopped. I'm just asking people to stop telling people their diets are wrong...unless you are a doctor your opinions are strictly that .... just your opinons. I'm not aking you or anyone else to be unhealthy. I told an RN last night what I was doing and she said WOW good for you. Keep up the good work. I am NOT starving my body, I eat when I want. Good Grief I know plenty of people who eat only 500 calories a day and they've done this for a year. And they are going strong. They do it for a period of time then go up to a few more for a few weeks then back down for a few weeks...so much for starving to death in 4 to 6 weeks. And I'm sorry if you struggle with your calorie intake. To me that's what I'd eat on a normal basis without trying to lose weight.

Schraudt814

Sigh...

This makes me sad.

I think I will go eat a 700 calorie lunch... in addition to my 600 calorie breakfast, and my planned 500 calorie dinner, and my 300 calories worth of snacks, and the budgeted 400 calories worth of Friday night beverages.
And continue to be fit and healthy and strong with properly functioning organs.

You can eat 2500 calories and still be fit?? Is that maintenance or are you still losing? I love food- I find it difficult to keep it under 1270 unless I work my butt off...jealous! :drinker:

ashtonvv

well... good luck if you ever start eating again.
I had a friend that did that, and she gained it all back and then some.

LadyKatieBug

people seem to think because they are successful losing weight with their method that it will work for everyone. but each person's body is desgined differently what works for one doesn't work for another. you just do what works for you. don't worry about anyone else. this is your journey not there's

Schraudt814

well... good luck if you ever start eating again.
I had a friend that did that, and she gained it all back and then some.

That's kinda my thought- to each their own...I probably won't want them on my FL but we do what works for us...I just can't see how it's possible to eat like that forever...

tmauck4472

i think you were highly successful on getting people to stop critizing you by making this post... i mean heck 6 pages later and it seems people are just thinking your a freaking genius now for figuring it all out...


if you dont like it.. dont tell people how you do it.. just enjoy the site and keep your **** private.. simple



I'm very happy with what I'm doing. It's just very irritating when you have know it all's post what they believe to be true.

LeggyKettleBabe

POSTING IN A PUBLIC FORUM = ASKING FOR CRITICISM

UsedToBeHusky

Sigh...

This makes me sad.

I think I will go eat a 700 calorie lunch... in addition to my 600 calorie breakfast, and my planned 500 calorie dinner, and my 300 calories worth of snacks, and the budgeted 400 calories worth of Friday night beverages.
And continue to be fit and healthy and strong with properly functioning organs.

You can eat 2500 calories and still be fit?? Is that maintenance or are you still losing? I love food- I find it difficult to keep it under 1270 unless I work my butt off...jealous! :drinker:

MFP is notorious for perscribing calorie goals that are too low. You should AT LEAST be eating BMR. I typically eat between BMR and maintenance for a sedentary lifestyle. Then, I attempt to log at least 10,000 steps a day. That puts me between 1800 and 2300 calories a day. My TDEE can be as high as 3500 calories a day so I'm still losing either way.

NoAdditives

Yeah. I think quibbling about it was just nitpickyness for the sake of being nitpicky.

My BMI was once 30. I didn't appreciate being referred to as "morbidly obese."

So was mine. But I don't jump to conclusions about what other people are saying.

aggiesrar05

Sigh...

This makes me sad.

I think I will go eat a 700 calorie lunch... in addition to my 600 calorie breakfast, and my planned 500 calorie dinner, and my 300 calories worth of snacks, and the budgeted 400 calories worth of Friday night beverages.
And continue to be fit and healthy and strong with properly functioning organs.

You can eat 2500 calories and still be fit?? Is that maintenance or are you still losing? I love food- I find it difficult to keep it under 1270 unless I work my butt off...jealous! :drinker:

Check this out - most people can still eat that much and be fit.. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/3817-eat-more-to-weigh-less

Jennloella

no one ever ASKS for criticism........

nucreeman

Eating 600-800 calories does not qualify as HEALTHY weight loss, regardless of WHO you ask.

Unless the person you are asking is a Doctor... in which case, yes, it can be a healthy way to lose weight. I will simply repost an earlier reference:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/guide/low-calorie-diets

From the article: "Very low-calorie diets are generally safe when used under proper medical supervision in people with a body mass index (BMI) greater than 30."

I tried eating probably less calories than this, I was loosing 5 pounds a week..... It was the worse that I felt in my life. I was weak, sick, and I had pneumonia three times. The last time that I had pneumonia before I came to my senses, I barely could get out of bed. People have a right to choose whatever their poison is, I just dont think that you should glamorize, and try to pull others into it. That's an eating disorder, and whoever is not telling you that is doing more harm.

thewifeybea

I don't think it's criticism, it's concern... A lot of folks here are about being healthy, not just losing weight and they're concerned that your extremely low calorie diet is going to eventually be a health problem for you. I'll agree with you somewhat that starvation mode is an over used bro-science term but there is something behind not eating enough to fuel your body and provide it with enough nutrients and possibly messing up your metabolism. A friend of mine underate for many years but was still obese and is now working on eating right in order to try to reset her metabolism.

Do what works for you but remember that when you post things on a public forum, you're likely to get all kinds of feed back, good and bad. Ignore the bad if you don't want to have to explain yourself all the time. Responding just fuels the fire... Starting threads like this doesn't help much either... You're going to get some "aw, poor baby" response like you have but there will always be people like me and the one with the pug avatar (sorry, can't remember username) who will respond otherwise.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

jaxandmaksmom

i think something needs to be pointed out.. she has made up her mind.. she is going to do it the way she wants.. and no matter what anyone tells her and shows her.. she is doing it the way she feels is best for her..

This whole post is a waste.. i mean .. dont make fun of me for only eating this much...... what did she expect to happen..everyone who are keyboard tough guys would say.. well ok since you asked nice.


let it go