Did not ask for criticism

Jacwhite22

Good luck. I say don't listen to the haters. I don't think you need to eat at all....then it will fall off even faster. Good luck in your journey.

In some of my recent comments on other posts I find I'm being criticised for how I choose to lose my weight. First and foremost I would never ever recommend someone else lose weight the way I am losing it. My diet is strickly my diet. What works for me may not work for you, what I believe to be true you may believe in something different. That's what makes us human. If we all believed the same thing this would be a boring place. All I ask is for people to stop and remember that just because you believe something does NOT make it a fact, it's only your belief. Even if you think it's a fact I'm sure there are sites that will say differently. Each of us believe the way we believe and do not need to be put down for that. Just because you did something and it impacted you negatively does not mean that it will do the same for me. Just because you may have an ED because of the way you ate does not mean that it happens to everyone. I joined this group to be supported not criticised. I don't believe in starvation mode...it's a made up word for stalling out and used to scare you into doing things the way someone else's wants you to do them,, but if you believe in it then okay, but don't push it on me. I don't believe eating 600 to 800 calories a day will cause me to have an eating disorder. I don't believe that eating 600 to 800 calories will cause me to gain weight because my body is eating away at my muscles instead of the fat. If I'm comfortable eating this way then it's non of your concern. I'll ask you when for help when I need it. I don't like being criticised and I'm sure you don't either. All I'm aksing is a little respect for who believe differently than you do.

ashtonvv

:huh: Well then! I wasn't aware you were a doctor! I mean, clearly you have all the healthy answers!!



So, does this 600-800 calorie diet come with bumps of coke too?

HAHAHA OMG

GasMasterFlash

I'm very happy with what I'm doing. It's just very irritating when you have know it all's post what they believe to be true.

So, why would you post what you believe to be true? This is a public forum -- a place for exchange of ideas and opinions.

Schraudt814

Sigh...

This makes me sad.

I think I will go eat a 700 calorie lunch... in addition to my 600 calorie breakfast, and my planned 500 calorie dinner, and my 300 calories worth of snacks, and the budgeted 400 calories worth of Friday night beverages.
And continue to be fit and healthy and strong with properly functioning organs.

You can eat 2500 calories and still be fit?? Is that maintenance or are you still losing? I love food- I find it difficult to keep it under 1270 unless I work my butt off...jealous! :drinker:

Check this out - most people can still eat that much and be fit.. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/3817-eat-more-to-weigh-less

Thanks for the link! I probably should have mentioned that I find it so diffcult to stay under 1270 that I never do...I'm not sure I'm eating at TDEE but I'm losing and I usually eat around 1700-1900 cals/ day...I don't deprived at all and I eat when I'm hungry regardless of cals left. And more than the MFP calculations (which I rarely follow), I blame those damn red numbers that come up when you go over...why do they have to be red???? I'm in the camp of people that uses MFP for guidelines rather than commandments!

GasMasterFlash

This whole post is a waste.. i mean .. dont make fun of me for only eating this much...... what did she expect to happen..everyone who are keyboard tough guys would say.. well ok since you asked nice.

I'm more of a keyboard intellectual. :drinker:

adampk17

Why don't you write a post about it?

That should fix the problem of getting too much attention.

LOL, this is exactly what I was thinking.

Jules2Be

Sigh...

This makes me sad.

I think I will go eat a 700 calorie lunch... in addition to my 600 calorie breakfast, and my planned 500 calorie dinner, and my 300 calories worth of snacks, and the budgeted 400 calories worth of Friday night beverages.
And continue to be fit and healthy and strong with properly functioning organs.

I like you.

i like her too! you should!

CeleryStalker

I'm truly ashamed for some of you and the responses you've made. Can you not disagree with someone without being so snarky? How is being like that helpful in any manner? Does it help boost your own ego to ridicule others? You must be so proud of yourselves. Unreal.....

Jacwhite22

I'm truly ashamed for some of you and the responses you've made. Can you not disagree with someone without being so snarky? How is being like that helpful in any manner? Does it help boost your own ego to ridicule others? You must be so proud of yourselves. Unreal.....

Who are you talking to?

opus649

Dissolution of soft tissue and skeletal mass are not ill effects?

The study said, "These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass."

I think the key word is "excessive." So I guess the answer to your question is "no, not when they are excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass."

Jules2Be

I'm truly ashamed for some of you and the responses you've made. Can you not disagree with someone without being so snarky? How is being like that helpful in any manner? Does it help boost your own ego to ridicule others? You must be so proud of yourselves. Unreal.....

tina9988

I like the wizard of oz....I like the tin man!

opus649

Yeah. I think quibbling about it was just nitpickyness for the sake of being nitpicky.

My BMI was once 30. I didn't appreciate being referred to as "morbidly obese."

So was mine. But I don't jump to conclusions about what other people are saying.

I'm sorry, I guess I'm not as good of a person as you. Then again, I did apologize.... but you're just still piling on.

opus649

The only person making the assumption that one was tied to the other was you.

Which I apologized for. I'm not sure how else to make you feel better about it. Want to call me champ again? Would that help?

GasMasterFlash

The only person making the assumption that one was tied to the other was you.

Which I apologized for. I'm not sure how else to make you feel better about it. Want to call me champ again? Would that help?

Our comment streams crossed. No worries. :drinker:

BaconMD

Dissolution of soft tissue and skeletal mass are not ill effects?

The study said, "These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass."

I think the key word is "excessive." So I guess the answer to your question is "no, not when they are excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass."

Can you explain what it would mean to have "excessive skeletal mass"? Does it mean my bones are too strong?

chamberlain037

hey there, I saw that you posted your mother had a gastric bypass...I'm heading out for my gastric bypass on June 6...I'm scared to death...my doc has me on a 600 calorie diet a day for 2 weeks and it's killing me....how well did she do? did she have a hard time before and after? Hope to hear from you soon....

opus649

Dissolution of soft tissue and skeletal mass are not ill effects?

The study said, "These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass."

I think the key word is "excessive." So I guess the answer to your question is "no, not when they are excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass."

Can you explain what it would mean to have "excessive skeletal mass"? Does it mean my bones are too strong?

You would probably have to ask the scientists who wrote the paper....

NoAdditives

Yeah. I think quibbling about it was just nitpickyness for the sake of being nitpicky.

My BMI was once 30. I didn't appreciate being referred to as "morbidly obese."

So was mine. But I don't jump to conclusions about what other people are saying.

I'm sorry, I guess I'm not as good of a person as you. Then again, I did apologize.... but you're just still piling on.

Maybe if the boards automatically refreshed there wouldn't be a lag. Sorry for the delay in replying to your reply to my comment.

NoAdditives

I'm truly ashamed for some of you and the responses you've made. Can you not disagree with someone without being so snarky? How is being like that helpful in any manner? Does it help boost your own ego to ridicule others? You must be so proud of yourselves. Unreal.....

"Quote button"

A handy tool that allows for proper context.

GasMasterFlash

Can you explain what it would mean to have "excessive skeletal mass"? Does it mean my bones are too strong?

Could being "big-boned" actually be possible?! :laugh:

opus649

Dissolution of soft tissue and skeletal mass are not ill effects?

The study said, "These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass."

I think the key word is "excessive." So I guess the answer to your question is "no, not when they are excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass."

Can you explain what it would mean to have "excessive skeletal mass"? Does it mean my bones are too strong?

Ok, in the text of the paper is the following:

"It has been shown (Naeye, 1969) that hyperplasia and hypertrophy, not only of adipose tissue, but also of heart, kidneys, pancreas, liver, and spleen occurs in obese subjects. It is suggested that the increased excretions described may have originated in dissolution of this soft tissue and associated skeletal excess."

In other words, obese people see an *increase* in skeletal mass and organ size that is associated with their obesity. I believe the researchers are making the case that, as adipose tissue decreases, the associated increases to skeletal and organ mass becomes "excessive" and as such also shrinks. At least that's how I read it.

GasMasterFlash

Can you explain what it would mean to have "excessive skeletal mass"? Does it mean my bones are too strong?

Ok, in the text of the paper is the following:

"It has been shown (Naeye, 1969) that hyperplasia and hypertrophy, not only of adipose tissue, but also of heart, kidneys, pancreas, liver, and spleen occurs in obese subjects. It is suggested that the increased excretions described may have originated in dissolution of this soft tissue and associated skeletal excess."

In other words, obese people see an *increase* in skeletal mass and organ size that is associated with their obesity. I believe the researchers are making the case that, as adipose tissue decreases, the associated increases to skeletal and organ mass becomes "excessive" and as such also shrinks. At least that's how I read it.

Interesting.

davert123

eating so few calories (600-800) is damaging to your body. This isn't a criticism its a scientific fact. The damage will cause your brain to release more endorphin to compensate and dull the pain. There is only so much endorphin you can release before it starts to run out and when it does you will feel techy, angry, got at and critisised - you may also behave like this to other people. Again I'm not having a go I'm just telling you the science behind what you are doing I would not be a decent human being if I didn't pass on this information I know. If you want any references to scientific papers to show the absolute truth behind what I am saying I will do what I can to did some out for you. - please let me know. Good luck and take care of yourself.

Way_2_a_Healthy_Mel

I'll bite..... and even those of us that was off the chart for the BMI (which I was BMI was once 74.8) from day 1 working with a Nutritionist and my Family Doctor (and Endo Dr. for my type 2 Diabetes) never once was there any discussion of putting me on a Very Low Calorie Diet. The game plan was to eat enough to support a 1 to 2 lb. a week weight loss and after 4 weeks of adjusting my calorie intake and carb counting we settled in on 2500 calories a day and 240 grams of carbs a day... After average 102 lbs. weightloss the past 3 years (3 year anniversary in 3 weeks) I am now eating 3200 calories a day and 340 grams of carbs and still losing weight.... I could not comprehend eating so very little............ and I agree with other, this is a public forum and if you don't want to be criticized then don't post..... I don't think people are being mean, they are just concerned..... Best of Luck

You are my hero!

Excellentia

I don't think people were intentionally trying to be critical or judgemental. I haven't read the comments and I know we aren't friends, but from what I've found on this site, most people are genuinely concerned and simply don't want to see you sabatoge either your health or weight loss.

Feel free to add me if you want...

kylesmommy89

Yikes! Have fun with that!!

opus649

On a side note, the text of the paper also contains the following:

"We have found, like Munro and colleagues (1970), that prolonged supervised therapeutic starvation of the obese patient can be a safe therapy, which is also effective if the ideal weight is reached. There is, however, likely to be occasionally a risk in some individuals, attributable to failures in different aspects of the adaptive response to fasting. Until the characteristics of these variations in response are identified, and show to be capable of detection in their prodomal stages, extended starvation therapy must be used cautiously."

In other words, starvation diets under the supervision of a doctor can be safe... but they can also kill you... so... you know... be careful.

Josh

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