Guys can never be right can they??

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  • EvilPink
    EvilPink Posts: 94 Member
    Holy ****t howd this post turn into this...cat fights allnight on here lol

    Estrogen =]

    Maybe...or maybe not. Depends on the phenotype, genotype, endocrine type or some other type. Assuming estrogen is at play would be to assume a gender role. That would be offensive and uninclusive of all....please rephrase your answer. :laugh:
  • Umeboshi
    Umeboshi Posts: 1,637 Member
    Biologically means she would have female chromosomes and/or reproductive organs. Since you said she is transgendered and not a hermaphrodite then i doubt, biologically shes a women. and yeah, im a bout 99.9999% sure if i didn't put that in there i'd been called a homophobe or some BS that ya'll like to throw my way

    There is no such thing as "biologically male" or "biologically female". Biology is not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be. Any biologist will agree. Having a penis does not make a person a man.
    Biological sex is a combination of genotype and phenotype.
    Phenotype is way more important in social interactions than genotype. Most people never find out what their genotype is.
    With today's technology, phenotype can be changed.
    Primary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Secondary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Endocrine levels? Can be changed.

    Also, true hermaphrodites do not exist. I believe the word you're looking for is intersex.

    Hey Umeboshi,

    I think the people you'll want to talk to are geneticists. I'm not sure who exactly these biologists are that you are referring to. I mean no disrespect to you or your girlfriend, because I fully support that if she feels that she is a woman, then she is. And she can do all the things you listed.. surgery, hormone therapy, legal sex change.. to make others think the same.

    But she cannot change her genotype. Your DNA is fixed, and therefore you CAN be categorized. There are different variations of our sexual genetics, though.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7965425
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22246/

    It's incredibly interesting, I think.

    I never said genotype could be changed.
    But I did point out that genotype isn't the sole thing that decides 'male' or 'female' "biologically", and that it doesn't count in social situations.
    And she has XX chromosomes, so take of that what you will.

    Does she have the XX SRY translocation mutation?

    Or does she have more than just those two X's?

    If she has the XX genotype but not a vagina and (assuming) she has a penis then there must be more to the story...?

    XX male syndrome (also called de la Chapelle syndrome, for a researcher who characterized it in 1972[1]) is a rare sex chromosomal disorder. Usually it is caused by unequal crossing over between X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father, which results in the X chromosome containing the normally-male SRY gene. When this X combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX male.

    This syndrome occurs in approximately four or five in 100,000 individuals, making it less common than Klinefelter syndrome.[2][3]
  • Umeboshi
    Umeboshi Posts: 1,637 Member
    Ps. For the record, I'd walk through the streets naked screaming "EUREKA!" before I'd dare ask my man to pick up tampons for me!!! He'd do it, I'm sure...but I'd be embarrassed!

    And, yes my man puts up with a lot...and he does a lot for me. And I love him mucho.

    I find this very bizarre. I don't find it bizarre that some people would feel like this, but I do find it bizarre that a clearly logical, intelligent person would feel this way. I think, once, I might have lived in a world where such feelings were the norm, I might have even felt that way, but I don't remember very well because it was so long ago.

    Oh, and I KNOW Umeboshi is not a troll. She is just passionate about what she believes in and has yet to learn to make a graceful exit before she ends up setting back her cause rather than promoting it.

    I'd like to know how staying silent will help any cause.
  • 152dbs
    152dbs Posts: 116 Member
    XX male syndrome (also called de la Chapelle syndrome, for a researcher who characterized it in 1972[1]) is a rare sex chromosomal disorder. Usually it is caused by unequal crossing over between X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father, which results in the X chromosome containing the normally-male SRY gene. When this X combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX male.

    This syndrome occurs in approximately four or five in 100,000 individuals, making it less common than Klinefelter syndrome.

    so it ur SO male or female...uve used both terms now as a descriptor.
  • Erindipitous
    Erindipitous Posts: 1,234 Member
    *kitten* son, I didn't know we've been arguing with Troll, Ph.D


    Now back under your bridge... Shoo..
  • WelcomeToWonderland
    WelcomeToWonderland Posts: 89
    Holy ****t howd this post turn into this...cat fights allnight on here lol

    Estrogen =]

    Maybe...or maybe not. Depends on the phenotype, genotype, endocrine type or some other type. Assuming estrogen is at play would be to assume a gender role. That would be offensive and uninclusive of all....please rephrase your answer. :laugh:


    HAHAHAHA you made a funny.
  • EpiGaiaRepens
    EpiGaiaRepens Posts: 824 Member
    Ps. For the record, I'd walk through the streets naked screaming "EUREKA!" before I'd dare ask my man to pick up tampons for me!!! He'd do it, I'm sure...but I'd be embarrassed!

    And, yes my man puts up with a lot...and he does a lot for me. And I love him mucho.

    I find this very bizarre. I don't find it bizarre that some people would feel like this, but I do find it bizarre that a clearly logical, intelligent person would feel this way. I think, once, I might have lived in a world where such feelings were the norm, I might have even felt that way, but I don't remember very well because it was so long ago.

    Oh, and I KNOW Umeboshi is not a troll. She is just passionate about what she believes in and has yet to learn to make a graceful exit before she ends up setting back her cause rather than promoting it.

    Well...it wasn't really meant to be taken seriously. The truth is, I wouldn't ask him because (1) it's my personal business and I take care of my personal business; and (2) I don't know if I could trust him to grab the brand I want and I wouldn't want to have to explain to him all the reasons I want that specific brand.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Chris,

    Fair enough. I actually was not offended about the things she said about men. I was offended by the things she said about how women treat men.

    I certainly think that men who are put into the kinds of situations she mentioned are in a pickle...like the "do I look fat" pickle. And I do get why it's unpleasant for a man to buy tampons. And I think guys who maneuver those things well and out of love are awesome. I just didn't like the idea that this is how girls are. I don't use PMS as an excuse to be emotionally abusive...it's not fun having PMS but it's not a free pass to be bat-**** crazy...

    Do you get me now?

    And thanks :) my dog is happy...he's snoring right now!

    DEFINITELY makes more sense. Welcome to the wonderful world of the internet and miscommunication right? Seems silly now.

    I do think she did very nicely give a nod to your point in the last line of the OP though. And...the thing overall that's sort of frustrating to me (and this commentary from here on out isn't related directly to you)...is that people find stereotypes so offensive. I am short. I'm relatively well built. I get the whole 'little man complex' commentary all the time!! Because of my build, I get treated like I'm a moron by people with pocket protectors and short sleeve button up shirts regularly (you should see their faces when I correct a mistake they make...it's priceless). Because I do man things, I get typecast into all sorts of roles that don't really fit me. Most of the time people mistake me for a HIspanic...I'm not. But you know what? I really don't care. I know what I am...I know what I am not. Others are welcome to take a look inside and see...or not, as it pleases them. Either/or...I'm still me. I know that stereotypes...are there for a reason. Some part of that stereotype, almost invariably fits everyone within that stereotype. Many parts don't. If you're aware of that yourself...why does it bother you (collectively, not specifically)?

    *shrug*
  • lickmybaconcakes
    lickmybaconcakes Posts: 1,063 Member
    I don't know but somehow it seems I've always done something wrong :laugh:
  • JulieH3art
    JulieH3art Posts: 293 Member
    Biologically means she would have female chromosomes and/or reproductive organs. Since you said she is transgendered and not a hermaphrodite then i doubt, biologically shes a women. and yeah, im a bout 99.9999% sure if i didn't put that in there i'd been called a homophobe or some BS that ya'll like to throw my way

    There is no such thing as "biologically male" or "biologically female". Biology is not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be. Any biologist will agree. Having a penis does not make a person a man.
    Biological sex is a combination of genotype and phenotype.
    Phenotype is way more important in social interactions than genotype. Most people never find out what their genotype is.
    With today's technology, phenotype can be changed.
    Primary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Secondary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Endocrine levels? Can be changed.

    Also, true hermaphrodites do not exist. I believe the word you're looking for is intersex.

    Hey Umeboshi,

    I think the people you'll want to talk to are geneticists. I'm not sure who exactly these biologists are that you are referring to. I mean no disrespect to you or your girlfriend, because I fully support that if she feels that she is a woman, then she is. And she can do all the things you listed.. surgery, hormone therapy, legal sex change.. to make others think the same.

    But she cannot change her genotype. Your DNA is fixed, and therefore you CAN be categorized. There are different variations of our sexual genetics, though.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7965425
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22246/

    It's incredibly interesting, I think.

    I never said genotype could be changed.
    But I did point out that genotype isn't the sole thing that decides 'male' or 'female' "biologically", and that it doesn't count in social situations.
    And she has XX chromosomes, so take of that what you will.

    Does she have the XX SRY translocation mutation?

    Or does she have more than just those two X's?

    If she has the XX genotype but not a vagina and (assuming) she has a penis then there must be more to the story...?

    XX male syndrome (also called de la Chapelle syndrome, for a researcher who characterized it in 1972[1]) is a rare sex chromosomal disorder. Usually it is caused by unequal crossing over between X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father, which results in the X chromosome containing the normally-male SRY gene. When this X combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX male.

    This syndrome occurs in approximately four or five in 100,000 individuals, making it less common than Klinefelter syndrome.[2][3]

    HA :) *high fives self*

    Thanks for answering.

    This makes her more genetically female than male in my humble opinion (and inexperience).
  • EpiGaiaRepens
    EpiGaiaRepens Posts: 824 Member

    epi...i think she was talking about how needy most women are. my wife is def 1 of them.

    Fair enough. Just don't say "women are needy"... Use the qualifier "most" and I am ok with that.
  • roachhaley
    roachhaley Posts: 978 Member
    I'd like to know how staying silent will help any cause.

    Being articulate and picking your fights =/= staying silent.

    The point everyone's trying to make is that you started an argument in a thread that had nothing to do with your cause. You wouldn't respect me much if I burst into a lesbian praising thread yelling "HEY!! YOU HATE STRAIGHT PEOPLE!" would you?
  • Umeboshi
    Umeboshi Posts: 1,637 Member
    XX male syndrome (also called de la Chapelle syndrome, for a researcher who characterized it in 1972[1]) is a rare sex chromosomal disorder. Usually it is caused by unequal crossing over between X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father, which results in the X chromosome containing the normally-male SRY gene. When this X combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX male.

    This syndrome occurs in approximately four or five in 100,000 individuals, making it less common than Klinefelter syndrome.

    so it ur SO male or female...uve used both terms now as a descriptor.

    That's the name of the intersex syndrome. I didn't come up with the name.
    She's female. She's a woman. I've never called her anything else.
  • Erindipitous
    Erindipitous Posts: 1,234 Member
    Ps. For the record, I'd walk through the streets naked screaming "EUREKA!" before I'd dare ask my man to pick up tampons for me!!! He'd do it, I'm sure...but I'd be embarrassed!

    And, yes my man puts up with a lot...and he does a lot for me. And I love him mucho.

    I find this very bizarre. I don't find it bizarre that some people would feel like this, but I do find it bizarre that a clearly logical, intelligent person would feel this way. I think, once, I might have lived in a world where such feelings were the norm, I might have even felt that way, but I don't remember very well because it was so long ago.

    Oh, and I KNOW Umeboshi is not a troll. She is just passionate about what she believes in and has yet to learn to make a graceful exit before she ends up setting back her cause rather than promoting it.

    I'd like to know how staying silent will help any cause.


    Quite honestly, the more you run your mouth, the more I'm against your cause. The impact you were hoping for?

    This is a Fitness website. There are other websites for shoving your beliefs down the throats of others.
  • snipermedic
    snipermedic Posts: 53
    Godd...whos on first? Whats on second....lol
  • WelcomeToWonderland
    WelcomeToWonderland Posts: 89
    @Umeboshi

    You know you could have that stick surgically removed. Shouldn't cost that much, heck, i'm sure they'd do it for free upon meeting you.
  • SpydrMnky27
    SpydrMnky27 Posts: 381 Member
    Godd...whos on first? Whats on second....lol

    You are cracking me up tonight. Thank you.
  • 152dbs
    152dbs Posts: 116 Member
    @Umeboshi

    You know you could have that stick surgically removed. Shouldn't cost that much, heck, i'm sure they'd do it for free upon meeting you.

    a good sharp pocket knife will turn a bull into a steer...know from personal experience. i was raised on a farm.
  • Umeboshi
    Umeboshi Posts: 1,637 Member
    I'd like to know how staying silent will help any cause.

    Being articulate and picking your fights =/= staying silent.

    The point everyone's trying to make is that you started an argument in a thread that had nothing to do with your cause. You wouldn't respect me much if I burst into a lesbian praising thread yelling "HEY!! YOU HATE STRAIGHT PEOPLE!" would you?

    I burst into the thread saying
    "It's not just guys.
    My girlfriend is never right either. "

    Sooo inflammatory.
  • snipermedic
    snipermedic Posts: 53
    Godd...whos on first? Whats on second....lol

    You are cracking me up tonight. Thank you.

    Im pretty tierd...im acctualy cracking myself up. I didnt know this was going to be an entertainment site as well. The night "folk" are much more entertaining.
  • Umeboshi
    Umeboshi Posts: 1,637 Member
    Ps. For the record, I'd walk through the streets naked screaming "EUREKA!" before I'd dare ask my man to pick up tampons for me!!! He'd do it, I'm sure...but I'd be embarrassed!

    And, yes my man puts up with a lot...and he does a lot for me. And I love him mucho.

    I find this very bizarre. I don't find it bizarre that some people would feel like this, but I do find it bizarre that a clearly logical, intelligent person would feel this way. I think, once, I might have lived in a world where such feelings were the norm, I might have even felt that way, but I don't remember very well because it was so long ago.

    Oh, and I KNOW Umeboshi is not a troll. She is just passionate about what she believes in and has yet to learn to make a graceful exit before she ends up setting back her cause rather than promoting it.

    I'd like to know how staying silent will help any cause.


    Quite honestly, the more you run your mouth, the more I'm against your cause. The impact you were hoping for?

    This is a Fitness website. There are other websites for shoving your beliefs down the throats of others.

    I post my opinion when I see something I disagree with. I'm pretty sure that's allowed in a forum.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Biologically means she would have female chromosomes and/or reproductive organs. Since you said she is transgendered and not a hermaphrodite then i doubt, biologically shes a women. and yeah, im a bout 99.9999% sure if i didn't put that in there i'd been called a homophobe or some BS that ya'll like to throw my way

    There is no such thing as "biologically male" or "biologically female". Biology is not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be. Any biologist will agree. Having a penis does not make a person a man.
    Biological sex is a combination of genotype and phenotype.
    Phenotype is way more important in social interactions than genotype. Most people never find out what their genotype is.
    With today's technology, phenotype can be changed.
    Primary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Secondary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Endocrine levels? Can be changed.

    Also, true hermaphrodites do not exist. I believe the word you're looking for is intersex.

    Hey Umeboshi,

    I think the people you'll want to talk to are geneticists. I'm not sure who exactly these biologists are that you are referring to. I mean no disrespect to you or your girlfriend, because I fully support that if she feels that she is a woman, then she is. And she can do all the things you listed.. surgery, hormone therapy, legal sex change.. to make others think the same.

    But she cannot change her genotype. Your DNA is fixed, and therefore you CAN be categorized. There are different variations of our sexual genetics, though.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7965425
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22246/

    It's incredibly interesting, I think.

    I never said genotype could be changed.
    But I did point out that genotype isn't the sole thing that decides 'male' or 'female' "biologically", and that it doesn't count in social situations.
    And she has XX chromosomes, so take of that what you will.

    Does she have the XX SRY translocation mutation?

    Or does she have more than just those two X's?

    If she has the XX genotype but not a vagina and (assuming) she has a penis then there must be more to the story...?

    XX male syndrome (also called de la Chapelle syndrome, for a researcher who characterized it in 1972[1]) is a rare sex chromosomal disorder. Usually it is caused by unequal crossing over between X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father, which results in the X chromosome containing the normally-male SRY gene. When this X combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX male.

    This syndrome occurs in approximately four or five in 100,000 individuals, making it less common than Klinefelter syndrome.[2][3]

    HA :) *high fives self*

    Thanks for answering.

    This makes her more genetically female than male in my humble opinion (and inexperience).

    I will bow to Julie's wisdom...he's a girl..err, she's a...hmm.

    Whatever Julie says.

    Anyhow...sad that a thread praising men (for once), ended up with 3 pages of discussion about whether one actually is, or isn't in fact male.

    Particularly when he/she/whatever didn't have anything to do with the damn thread in the first place.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Godd...whos on first? Whats on second....lol

    You are cracking me up tonight. Thank you.

    Im pretty tierd...im acctualy cracking myself up. I didnt know this was going to be an entertainment site as well. The night "folk" are much more entertaining.

    Oh...dude...it's a daily thing. The reason you didn't know...is it always gets deleted by morning. The admins make sure of that. Know it all infantile trolls can happily be trolls with impunity at night...while wonderful people like Jules2Be get strikes for calling someone's brain sexy during the day.
  • snipermedic
    snipermedic Posts: 53
    @umeboshi....we like your opinions...PLEASE go on...
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    I'd like to know how staying silent will help any cause.

    Being articulate and picking your fights =/= staying silent.

    The point everyone's trying to make is that you started an argument in a thread that had nothing to do with your cause. You wouldn't respect me much if I burst into a lesbian praising thread yelling "HEY!! YOU HATE STRAIGHT PEOPLE!" would you?

    I burst into the thread saying
    "It's not just guys.
    My girlfriend is never right either. "

    Sooo inflammatory.

    And if you'd kept your mouth shut for once in your short little life, you'd have been fine.

    That...is impossible for you. It's sort of ironic, your screen name amounts to 'Japanese prune'.

    Incredibly appropriate...let me know if you need help figuring out why.
  • Oishii
    Oishii Posts: 2,675 Member
    Ps. For the record, I'd walk through the streets naked screaming "EUREKA!" before I'd dare ask my man to pick up tampons for me!!! He'd do it, I'm sure...but I'd be embarrassed!

    And, yes my man puts up with a lot...and he does a lot for me. And I love him mucho.

    I find this very bizarre. I don't find it bizarre that some people would feel like this, but I do find it bizarre that a clearly logical, intelligent person would feel this way. I think, once, I might have lived in a world where such feelings were the norm, I might have even felt that way, but I don't remember very well because it was so long ago.

    Oh, and I KNOW Umeboshi is not a troll. She is just passionate about what she believes in and has yet to learn to make a graceful exit before she ends up setting back her cause rather than promoting it.

    I'd like to know how staying silent will help any cause.

    Please read what I said, not what you think I said. I love you to bits, I hope you know that, but seeing as you've asked your friends before whether we thought your posts in the forums were helpful, I know that you do care what others think. I think you have valid points, but sometimes, when bated, what you end up saying doesn't fit what you believe in and doesn't allow for the fact that others have the the right to disagree with you.

    As I said, love you to bits, but I do think you might make your point better by fighting less.
  • EpiGaiaRepens
    EpiGaiaRepens Posts: 824 Member
    Chris,

    Fair enough. I actually was not offended about the things she said about men. I was offended by the things she said about how women treat men.

    I certainly think that men who are put into the kinds of situations she mentioned are in a pickle...like the "do I look fat" pickle. And I do get why it's unpleasant for a man to buy tampons. And I think guys who maneuver those things well and out of love are awesome. I just didn't like the idea that this is how girls are. I don't use PMS as an excuse to be emotionally abusive...it's not fun having PMS but it's not a free pass to be bat-**** crazy...

    Do you get me now?

    And thanks :) my dog is happy...he's snoring right now!

    DEFINITELY makes more sense. Welcome to the wonderful world of the internet and miscommunication right? Seems silly now.

    I do think she did very nicely give a nod to your point in the last line of the OP though. And...the thing overall that's sort of frustrating to me (and this commentary from here on out isn't related directly to you)...is that people find stereotypes so offensive. I am short. I'm relatively well built. I get the whole 'little man complex' commentary all the time!! Because of my build, I get treated like I'm a moron by people with pocket protectors and short sleeve button up shirts regularly (you should see their faces when I correct a mistake they make...it's priceless). Because I do man things, I get typecast into all sorts of roles that don't really fit me. Most of the time people mistake me for a HIspanic...I'm not. But you know what? I really don't care. I know what I am...I know what I am not. Others are welcome to take a look inside and see...or not, as it pleases them. Either/or...I'm still me. I know that stereotypes...are there for a reason. Some part of that stereotype, almost invariably fits everyone within that stereotype. Many parts don't. If you're aware of that yourself...why does it bother you (collectively, not specifically)?

    *shrug*

    Oooh....now you got me squirmin' in my seat! And wanting to cue up Fugazi's "Suggestion"!! I think the reason why I get upset (and I like to use totally sexist again females phrases on myself so I'm tempted to say my panties get in a bunch) is because these sort of stereotypes have been part and parcel of some really bad things going on for long periods of time in my life and in the lives of many I love. I am talking about DV and how sexist stereotypes became justifying rationales. I don't like these things. I don't like that it's assumed I am emotional before it is assumed I might be right. Some stereotypes don't bother me (like what they say about catholic girls, or Sicilian jersey girls) because those don't lead to bad badness...

    Also, in terms of truth, I think sexist stereotypes are self-perpetuating. Are boys less emotional than girls?? Or do we force boys to suppress emotion because they aren't supposed to be emotional?? There was this comedian I watched who did a skit about wanting a pumpkin for Halloween. He was saying how he couldn't admit he wanted a pumpkin because his friends would call him gay (the skit is called "what are you, gay??"). Anyways, he says how hr has to take his GF to the store so she will get the pumpkin and when she sees it and gets all excited, he becomes furiously jealous that she is allowed to be happy about a pumpkin. He says he wants to bash her face in with a pumpkin. ....whoa. Comedy? Or funny be ause it's kinda true??

    Anyways. That's why it bugs me. I want my son to live in a world where he doesn't have to assume his GF is needy and unnecessarily emotional, and where he can be happy about a pumpkin without being ridiculed.
  • JulieH3art
    JulieH3art Posts: 293 Member
    Sorry for derailing the thread you guys. I just really love genetics. This condition is really rare, and pretty fascinating. I havent heard of an actual case before.
  • becoming_a_new_me
    becoming_a_new_me Posts: 1,860 Member
    @umeboshi....we like your opinions...PLEASE go on...

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  • EpiGaiaRepens
    EpiGaiaRepens Posts: 824 Member
    And sorry for all the typos... I'm using my phone.
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