Vegetarianism. Seriously? (A Debate)

gchutson

I'm not judging, but I just don't get it.

Anyone care to debate the benefits / drawbacks of vegetarianism VS yummy, yummy meat with me?

To quantify my position, I'm on the side of meat. All meat. I eat meat, with meat sprinkled on it. I am not emotionally swayed by eating meat. In fact, I prefer to know the name, birthday and religion of the cow, before I eat it. (Joking, calm down. But, my side of the debate is now clearly established.)

Now, before we begin, please know that I'm uneducated, shy, small and frail. So, please be gentle.

nikinyx6

I thought you might have gotten yourself booted for a few days there....

I'm on the meat side....salad's great...but salad is what FOOD eats....

I'm getting better at adding in more veggies, but only to complement the juicy deer steak.....

gchutson

I thought you might have gotten yourself booted for a few days there....

I'm on the meat side....salad's great...but salad is what FOOD eats....

I'm getting better at adding in more veggies, but only to complement the juicy deer steak.....

Not booted, though I'm quite sure the moderators have a dartboard with my face and/or crotch on it.

I'm not anti-veggie at all. Raw broccoli is arguably the yummiest thing since... well... sliced bread. Though I'm fairly sure broccoli came first.

nikinyx6

Not booted, though I'm quite sure the moderators have a dartboard with my face and/or crotch on it.

I'm not anti-veggie at all. Raw broccoli is arguably the yummiest thing since... well... sliced bread. Though I'm fairly sure broccoli came first.

I'm far from anti-veggie but you'll never see me eat a meal without a piece of meat on the plate...it just feels wrong... and I concur...broccoli rocks!

gchutson

Not booted, though I'm quite sure the moderators have a dartboard with my face and/or crotch on it.

I'm not anti-veggie at all. Raw broccoli is arguably the yummiest thing since... well... sliced bread. Though I'm fairly sure broccoli came first.

I'm far from anti-veggie but you'll never see me eat a meal without a piece of meat on the plate...it just feels wrong... and I concur...broccoli rocks!

In the good 'ol days, I would chase the meat down and emotionally taunt it before I killed and ate it.

DieVixen

I'm not judging, but I just don't get it.

Anyone care to debate the benefits / drawbacks of vegetarianism VS yummy, yummy meat with me?

To quantify my position, I'm on the side of meat. All meat. I eat meat, with meat sprinkled on it. I am not emotionally swayed by eating meat. In fact, I prefer to know the name, birthday and religion of the cow, before I eat it. (Joking, calm down. But, my side of the debate is now clearly established.)

Now, before we begin, please know that I'm uneducated, shy, small and frail. So, please be gentle.

You should join the debate group here. It helps keep people strike free & warning free

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nikinyx6

You should join the debate group here. It helps keep people strike free & warning free

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Well gee, that's no fun at all!

monty619

its either for ethical/ environmental reasons or they just dont like eating flesh as a personal prefrence... i have no problems with that. the issue lies where there are ones that say that being vegetarian or vegan is some how superior or more healthy than omniverous eating... the 80/10/10 diet?? thats ridiculous.

Molly182

supplemama

I was a vegetarian for 24 years, from ages 14-38. For me it was because I simply did not like meat. I never liked it as a child, and was forced to eat it growing up. I raised my kids vegetarian and everything (husband was not vegetarian though, but he ate what we did). 2 years ago my youngest son wanted to try meat, and since I felt he was old enough to decide, I let him. He loves meat LOL. Because I am so attached to my kids I felt compelled to try a little meat too...and discovered it wasn't as gross as I remembered. However I cannot eat red meat (beef, pork, lamb. etc), it makes me physically sick. So now I just eat birds and seafood in addition to my regular vegetarian diet.

I do believe eating no meat or little meat significantly reduces the interior and exterior wear and tear on your body. Plus you are more likely to consume and ENJOY fruit, vegetables, and legumes. For children raised vegetarian, it sets a foundation for life for healthy eating. All of my kids love healthy food, they don't have that distaste for veggies that seems common in American children.

I would never tell anyone they SHOULD be vegetarian, but I do think most people (at least in the states) eat too much meat. You can never go wrong in reducing how much meat you eat, but eating too much meat can actually hurt you.

gchutson

You should join the debate group here. It helps keep people strike free & warning free

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Well gee, that's no fun at all!

I'm convinced that without me, the mods would have virtually nothing to do. I give them purpose.

cmeade20

I know some people who don't like the taste or texture of meat. And like its been said some feel wrong eating animals. I personally eat (and thoroughly enjoy meat) but feel like a d!ck everytime I go to a fair or petting zoo and pet the cows and chickens, cuz the animals are so cute....but they also taste so good.....

gchutson

I was a vegetarian for 24 years, from ages 14-38. For me it was because I simply did not like meat. I never liked it as a child, and was forced to eat it growing up. I raised my kids vegetarian and everything (husband was not vegetarian though, but he ate what we did). 2 years ago my youngest son wanted to try meat, and since I felt he was old enough to decide, I let him. He loves meat LOL. Because I am so attached to my kids I felt compelled to try a little meat too...and discovered it wasn't as gross as I remembered. However I cannot eat red meat (beef, pork, lamb. etc), it makes me physically sick. So now I just eat birds and seafood in addition to my regular vegetarian diet.

I do believe eating no meat or little meat significantly reduces the interior and exterior wear and tear on your body. Plus you are more likely to consume and ENJOY fruit, vegetables, and legumes. For children raised vegetarian, it sets a foundation for life for healthy eating. All of my kids love healthy food, they don't have that distaste for veggies that seems common in American children.

I would never tell anyone they SHOULD be vegetarian, but I do think most people (at least in the states) eat too much meat. You can never go wrong in reducing how much meat you eat, but eating too much meat can actually hurt you.

That was the nicest, most polite counterargument I've ever seen, professionally or otherwise. I can't argue back because I feel the to give you a hug and buy your kids a pony.

gchutson

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... wait... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

cheesy_blasters

I never understand the point of "debating" this.

Who cares? It's not like anything either side says will change anyone's mind or provide brand new information. For some people it's moral, for some it's digestive, for some it's taste, for some it's political, for some it's environmental.


This is not a thought about you but I used to get SO MANY people asking me why I was vegan when I was growing up and not matter what I said or how nice I was ("well, it's just right for me") or vague ("well, I have concerns about industrial farming, the environment"), people would always call my reasons 'pushy'. Excuse me? You asked!! Otherwise I never mention it. How is that pushy?

harley47920

I eat meat and lots of it. I admit, I do need to eat more fruits and veggies though.

gchutson

its either for ethical/ environmental reasons or they just dont like eating flesh as a personal prefrence... i have no problems with that. the issue lies where there are ones that say that being vegetarian or vegan is some how superior or more healthy than omniverous eating... the 80/10/10 diet?? thats ridiculous.

What bothers me about that whole lot [of people that have never existed ever] (referencing other people is forbidden), is that you never see "healthy" vegetarians. By "healthy," I mean my definition of "healthy." IE, muscles, built, powerful, etc...

gchutson

I never understand the point of "debating" this.

Who cares? It's not like anything either side says will change anyone's mind or provide brand new information. For some people it's moral, for some it's digestive, for some it's taste, for some it's political, for some it's environmental.


This is not a thought about you but I used to get SO MANY people asking me why I was vegan when I was growing up and not matter what I said or how nice I was ("well, it's just right for me") or vague ("well, I have concerns about industrial farming, the environment"), people would always call my reasons 'pushy'. Excuse me? You asked!! Otherwise I never mention it. How is that pushy?

Again, I'm not judging. I'm just curious. I don't understand the mentality. If you ever want to explore the inner-workings of big, dumb, meathead hillbillies, I am an open book.

cheesy_blasters

its either for ethical/ environmental reasons or they just dont like eating flesh as a personal prefrence... i have no problems with that. the issue lies where there are ones that say that being vegetarian or vegan is some how superior or more healthy than omniverous eating... the 80/10/10 diet?? thats ridiculous.

I think it's funny when people think being vegan or vegetarian will automatically help them lose weight. Guess what's also vegan? Potato chips. I gained tons of weight because I ate wayyy too many of those and not enough good foods.

Dietary restrictions /= automatic health or weight loss

mrmanmeat

I eat a **** ton of veggies. And fruits. But I eat meat.

gchutson

I know some people who don't like the taste or texture of meat.

So many smartass jokes came to mind, I literally got dizzy.

gchutson

Guess what's also vegan? Potato chips. I gained tons of weight because I ate wayyy too many of those and not enough good foods.

Aren't potato chips fried in lard? I thought vegans [that never existed anywhere, ever] spontaneously combusted when they ate animal products?

grrrlface

I don't like meat, it makes me feel sick and I also don't like the way some animals are treated for the 'privilege' of ending up on someone's dinner plate.

I'm not against omni's doing what they do though, my partner is an omni but we get meat from a locally run farm shop where I can see the animals. Works for both of us, I know the animals are happy, he gets his tasty meat. And he says it's better than supermarket meat so win/win.

I wouldn't push what I do on others, it's my preference. I expect people to do the same with me but I have people dig at me for my choice of eating habits. :-\

htalexander

This is my opinion, which will probably cause a stir but o well......I love most meats also but I try to eat smaller portions of it than I did in the past, because I think, historically, that's what we are meant to do..... If you think back to the hunter/gatherer cultures...or actually not even that far back...when someone happened to kill an animal (which probably was not every single day) then it would be divided up and everyone would get a portion (probably much smaller than..let say, a typical steak)......the rest of the diet whole be nuts, fruit, and grains in later times.....I guess I try to do a more modern version of this..I usually eat meat at dinner but not breakfast (excepts eggs) or lunch always....I have also replaced a lot of beef with venison....and eat lots and lots of seafood (its my fav). I often get vegetarian dishes when I go out, they're good and less calories!! I think as long as people get enough protien and other essentials, you can be a healthy vegan or carnevour.

cmeade20

I know some people who don't like the taste or texture of meat.

So many smartass jokes came to mind, I literally got dizzy.

LOL go for it I don't easily offend

ironanimal

What bothers me about that whole lot [of people that have never existed ever] (referencing other people is forbidden), is that you never see "healthy" vegetarians. By "healthy," I mean my definition of "healthy." IE, muscles, built, powerful, etc...

Actually there are a fair amount of vegetarian bodybuilders in the IFBB, but I guess you could argue it doesn't matter that much what you're eating when the drugs in your veins mean you put on muscle lifting a fork to your face - which vegetarians have to do a whole lot more.

The sheer quantity of food I would have to consume to meet my protein and calorific needs in plant matter would be astronomical, let alone the expense of it all. I'll stick to my 3 chicken fillets or big fat steak.

gchutson

I don't like meat, it makes me feel sick and I also don't like the way some animals are treated for the 'privilege' of ending up on someone's dinner plate.

I'm not against omni's doing what they do though, my partner is an omni but we get meat from a locally run farm shop where I can see the animals. Works for both of us, I know the animals are happy, he gets his tasty meat. And he says it's better than supermarket meat so win/win.

I wouldn't push what I do on others, it's my preference. I expect people to do the same with me but I have people dig at me for my choice of eating habits. :-\

I would never dig at you. You have a cool screen name. Wanna share a burger? (Ok, sorry. I couldn't resist.)

kikilieb

I like meat and I like blood!

However, I do have two darling cats, they are my friends and... we DON'T eat friends! So, I'd have to qualify, "Yes, I like meat AND I like blood, however, I probably wouldn't eat it if there was any intimacy involved prior to feasting..."

grrrlface

I don't like meat, it makes me feel sick and I also don't like the way some animals are treated for the 'privilege' of ending up on someone's dinner plate.

I'm not against omni's doing what they do though, my partner is an omni but we get meat from a locally run farm shop where I can see the animals. Works for both of us, I know the animals are happy, he gets his tasty meat. And he says it's better than supermarket meat so win/win.

I wouldn't push what I do on others, it's my preference. I expect people to do the same with me but I have people dig at me for my choice of eating habits. :-\

I would never dig at you. You have a cool screen name. Burger? (Ok, sorry. I couldn't resist.)

As long as it's a bean burger with salsa I'm all in! :-D lol

TheOriginalGinging

First--you're darling and hysterical! Second--some strangeness overcame me 8 weeks ago. I was minding my own business eating a sloppy joe (a favorite) when I over-thought things and realized I was eating the flesh of a dead animal. Haven't had any a bite since. I can still make the best ribs in town and have NO idea what I'll do for Thanksgiving. Frankly, I hope it's just a phase!

dsjohndrow

I just like meat, but it in moderation. I only eat very lean red meat, chicken, fish and turkey. My max is 4 oz. in a day. I do not eat processed meats hardly at all (once a month). That's no cold cuts, breakfast meats and the like.

I eat primarily fresh veggies, fruit, nuts, eggs, beans, and some low fat dairy. My diet (what I eat) is about 1000 calories a day from vegetables/fruit/nuts, 300 from eggs.dairy and no more than 300 from meat/fish/poultry.

I don't have any moral issues with meat. But I do request free range or grass fed whenever it is available. I believe there is much more danger with preservatives, antibiotics and "fattening" drugs, than with meat itself.

I guess I should add that I had a heart attack, which was NOT related to artery blockage. The cardiologist said that I had the arteries of a 18-year-old. I had a bit of Versed, so I asked him to get me some Kentucky Fried Chicken and a few beers.